Ryzen 7 5700X3D vs Core i5 14400F

[@Usersf134ssk]

While the internet is all over the new 9800x3D, it feels nice to see my Ryzen 7 5700x3D get some screentime 😁😁😁

[@jukkapiispanen123]

I use 3700 Pro,no complaints :)

[@kawafahra]

price / performance wise, you get 80%-90% the performance in higher resolutions for exactly a quarter the price. X3D also is not about high fps, but great frame times. A 7800X3D on sale will stay the best solution for AM5. 5700X3D for AM4.

[@abdou.the.heretic]

The Tarkov CPU 😂

[@Collin_J]

RGiHD keeping us all based

[@zsideswapper6718]

The 8800GT of CPU's

[@SS-uq6wv]

I paid £138 for the 5700X3D on AliExpress. That includes taxes. FYI, the cheapest I saw that on the UK market was £170.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Great price

[@WookieWarriorz]

i actually got mine for £100 on aliexpress because of a discount code that was running at the time too.

[@TGJHD1999]

With a discount code you can get it as low 120 with tax, they usually have some kind of sale every month

[@carltonleboss]

Nice...

[@aka.basement]

everyone getting for a cheap.. i went to amazon and i got it for £190. still worth guys, right? right?..

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

The price to performance of the 5700X3D is crazy.

[@dcikaruga]

5700X3D is AM4 too, probably the best gaming CPU if you've got an old AM4 board, 14400F and you'll probably need a new system build up for it.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah good point

[@nato7364]

Am5 better than LGA 1700

[@raisofahri5797]

sadly not here. especially with ryzen 7500f cheaper here for almost 100 usd. it simply doesn't make any sense to go with 14400f. also who is upgrading the am4 platform to the 1700 platform another deadend platform.

[@electricindigoball1244]

If you're building a new system then it makes no sense to use LGA 1700 unless you can get the motherboard and CPU for dirt cheap. Otherwise you're better off getting onto the AM5 platform even if you have to settle for the Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G. The fact that you can upgrade to a CPU like the 9800X3D in the future without replacing the motherboard (and memory if we're comparing it to a DDR4 LGA 1700 motherboard) is just way too good of an option especially given the remaining uncertainty if the Raptor Lake stability issues have been resolved or not.

[@ggwp8615]

and you can't upgrade to a 14700k or more because those are a 50/50 on weather they would get fried

[@Fastwunz]

I recently got a 5700x3d as an upgrade from my 5600x and the difference is excellent

[@codfish1776]

What GPU you have?

[@EXiLExJD]

For gaming the 5700X3D is such a good deal, the only downside is the dead-end platform; which isn't really a problem if you already have an AM4 mobo.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Oh for sure it’ll make a fantastic upgrade, or it’s still fine for a new build If you can get a board cheap enough

[@gorky_vk]

It will work on any, even cheapest AM4 board, you can pair it with $50 aliexpress or any used $30 junk you can find. So even if you trying to build "new" cheap gaming PC it's still a viable option.

[@electricindigoball1244]

Unfortunately AMD is clearly treating AM4 as the replacement for low end AM5 CPUs. It's the reason why there are no AM5 Ryzen 3 or Athlon CPUs (there is the Ryzen 3 8300G but it's only available to OEMs and SIs). I consider it unfortunate because it means people who can't afford a Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G are left buying motherboards with no upgrade path and memory they won't be able to reuse when they'll need to upgrade.

[@headphonesz6527]

​@RandomGaminginHD coming from a 3700x and 5700XT to a 5700x3d and 7800XT was MASSIVE

[@Lurch-Bot]

More than likely, AM5 will only last 2-3 generations (8000 series doesn't count because it is a refresh). I wouldn't expect to see 10GT/s DDR5 running on AM5. Younger people don't get that AM4 was an anomaly. Haven't seen anything like it in 30 years of PC building and it is extremely unlikely I will ever see anything like it again. It is far better to build a 5700X3D rig from scratch than to scrape your way onto AM5 with a 7500F and cheap DDR5 that will perform no better than DDR4 costing half the price. intel is floundering and some mutual cross-licensing with AMD may be what saves them. Don't be surprised if 3D-Vcache ends up on intel CPUs and games move in the direction of making use of it, leaving everything else in the dust. That 5700X3D is going to keep on trucking while most newer CPUs fall by the wayside for gaming due to insufficient cache.

[@doozy1680]

Love my 5700X3D for 1440p. Probably going to keep it until AM6.

[@Ladioz]

I was going to keep my 5800X3D until AM6 also

[@Lurch-Bot]

Productivity benchmarks are pretty much pointless here. Nobody buys an X3D for that. And, while it might perform slightly worse than the 14400F on a productivity benchmark, that is irrelevant to me because I'm not making big bucks on the occasional video. When you look at power consumption, the 5700X3D is pretty much the most cost efficient CPU on the market currently for productivity use, when considering all factors. Most people have no reason to fret over an extra half a minute on a video render. The people who do aren't buying a CPU in this class anyway. Also, one thing reviewers consistently overlook is that, while another 20fps in Cyberbug is nice, the fact I no longer have frame drops when driving through Night City since I upgraded to a 5700X3D is priceless. That is absolutely cache dependent and no intel CPU can give you that. In general, an X3D CPU will give you a smoother gaming experience. Too bad everyone is focused on max framerate. Yes, it is possible for millions of people to be wrong. Just watch literally any YT vid with footage of someone playing an online FPS game. They will invariably be running unlocked, which is a great way to introduce a lot of inconsistency in frame pacing for nothing. Frames you can't display are pointless. And, even if you can display it, beyond 165Hz, there are rapidly diminishing returns and going over 240fps is completely pointless because no human has vision that good. This whole concept of input lag being inversely proportional to framerate is only partially correct, and only then from a theoretical perspective. One thing that is sure to increase input lag is stutter, and that's what you get unless you lock the framerate to the lowest it can possibly go. Not the 1% low you get when you test unlocked, but the lowest momentary framerate you can observe on the counter when playing. If you do that, basically the 1% lows are just reflecting loading screens. If you are running unlocked then the 1% lows also reflect the stutter. And don't forget microstutters, something a lot of people simply just don't notice. TL;DR the goal should be smoothing out those frametime graphs.

[@Toulkun]

@@Lurch-Bot I think 5700x3d is basically 5700x but more boosted for gaming perfomance thanks to its higher L3 cache which helps alot in avoiding heavy load on RAM, basically game's resources are being cached so it helps keeping higher and steadier performance in 1% lows as well. It works about that unless i missed something. Basically you get boosted only in gaming. EDIT: Nvm, i did some googling again: "It's important to understand what V-cache is. V-cache is an expanded Level 3 cache (+64mb, giving a total of 96mb of L3 cache) on the 5800x3D (and similar upcoming chips) that operates as a "victim cache". Being a "victim cache" means that it doesn't really store anything on its own. Instead, if something gets pushed out of L2 or L1 cache, it gets moved to L3 cache instead of being tossed out entirely. This means that if that data is needed again, it can be swiftly retrieved from L3 instead of having to go to RAM."

[@edmac1090]

I’ve got a 5800X3D in my main rig, and got a cheap 5700X3D for my dedicated LAN pc. I’m quite good until AM6

[@Ladioz]

@@edmac1090 I have the 5800X3D. But i wish i had the 5700X3D because less temps and less power

[@db8989]

Seeing how that Socket evolved, I'm really sad I sold my AM4 system with a Ryzen 2200G back in 2018. The upgrade path would have been a joy, but that wasn't always so sure. The discussions around Ryzen 3000/4000/5000 likely not beeing supported on "older" Chipsets (MSI) was scary and made the whole "AM4 long time support" claims by AMD look stupid. But in the end the support turned out to be excellent. Not least because many consumers and independant media here on KZbin held AMD to their promised long term support.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Now that they're on top, expect AMD platforms to last 2 generations, just like intel. AM4 was an anomaly.

[@robthegobbler]

@@Lurch-Botwe're already at 2, no signs of bailing. I expect 3 per socket with possibly some random one-off refreshes (5900xt) or higher end model cut-down chips (5600x3d)

[@loucipher7782]

AM4 basically just meant DDR4 all those mobo series 300, 400, 500 have different cpu support 300 series mobo support for ryzen 5000 is abysmal at best with specific manufacturer bios update while mobo 500 series don't even support Ryzen 1000 Athlon and some APU are only supported by 400 series mobo so basically not everything on AM4 is cross compatible, they literally had 3 generations of cpu and chipset disguised as one

[@Jack-yt1fu]

Man, am4 is just the platform that doesn't stop giving. I originally got a B450 and an 1800x in 2017. Since then I've been clinging to this socket for dear life, through almost 4 generations of architecture Prior to the 1800x I had an FX 8350 and my god have AMD done a backflip in the past 20 years. Couldn't be happier with my 5700x3d.

[@christophermullins7163]

Everyone knows that the most important game to check performance in is everyone's favorite game.. cinebench. And 14400 is faster here so 5700x3d is a dudd. Sorry.

[@Loundsify]

​@@christophermullins7163is that sarcasm?

[@christophermullins7163]

@@Loundsify no.. def not. Absolutely not. I am never sarcastic about anything ever. Not even once.

[@therealmichaelphelps]

I upgraded from the ryzen 5 3600 to the 5700X3D and i simply could not believe the difference it made. I play exclusively BeamNG Drive multi player and i could never join servers with more than 10 people without only getting 20fps on low settings, and now i can be in 15 person servers on medium to high settings. And i only have an RTX 3050, it was a crazy good upgrade, highly recommended.

[@mynickisalreadytaken]

Really good to hear. I have an R7600 and it works great in Beam. I was using an i7 8700, so quite similar to your old 3600 and the jump was def. intense. I will put in a used 9800X3D in 2 years i guess. Maybe. Am on 1440p UW with RX6800. Oh and good to hear that Beam works fine with an RTX 3050. Had the same experience with an RX 6600 before. It just eats CPU a lot. But even older Systems can run this game well. I d onot have a lot of BeamMP experience, but the R7600 works fine so far.

[@Lurch-Bot]

BeamNG is physics realistic. The more complex the physics calculations in a game, the more CPU cache hungry it will be because it has to cache data for every intermediate step of every calculation. OP was partly correct about Black Myth Wukong being GPU intensive. But games are usually only GPU intensive when their physics calculations are relatively simple. Jedi Survivor is another example of a game that really doesn't benefit from more cache because they aren't at all trying to be physics-accurate. By contrast, racing and flight sims benefit greatly from V-cache. If I had asked some random gonk on Reddit whether I should upgrade my CPU or GPU (5500/6600), I'm sure they would have universally said to upgrade the GPU even if I told them I only had a budget of $200. Even if I bought a used GPU, that wouldn't gain me much. Meanwhile, because I have been gaming since the '80s, I am fine with running everything at 1440p low if I have to and I properly prioritize a smooth gaming experience over eye candy. So I got a 5700X3D. Also, Lossless Scaling exists. There never has been a better $200 PC upgrade, inflation adjusted, and there never will be again. There may be some games out there that don't benefit from the extra cache but there are so many that do. In those games, a GPU upgrade is not going to net me more frames. But even in the games that don't really benefit much from the extra cache, I still notice a smoother gameplay experience, in spite of the fact I made a lateral move on single threaded performance. There is more to X3D than can be shown via conventional benchmarking methodology.

[@therealmichaelphelps]

@@mynickisalreadytaken last year i was on BeamMP on a 10 person server, struggling to get 15fps, and someone else who also was struggling with 15fps had an RTX 4090 if you can believe it, turns out he was also on some intel 6 core cpu, thats the problem. So on BeamNG and BeamMP, the more cars, the more cpu threaded it becomes, so the more threads, the more cars you can have. And i think the 3D V cache comes into play as well. Thats why i found it amusing that someone with a high end GPU was having the same experience of my 3050 lol.

[@therealmichaelphelps]

@@Lurch-Bot i think your right, every game is different, some are more GPU bound and others are more cpu bound, but overall ive been very happy with the 5700X3D, of course its not what i wanted, i was hoping for a 5900X or the new 5900XT but those werent cheap enough for me, because i also do video editing with davinci resolve, and i was just playing around with some video generator transitions recently and it brought the 5700X3D to its knees at 15fps lol, but im sure my 3600 would have done 7-8fps before. I know someone with a 5900x and it would have crushed davinci resolve renders of stuff like that, but in games it wouldnt have been much of an upgrade.

[@mynickisalreadytaken]

@@Lurch-Bot Good choice on your new CPU. In your case you had the opportunity to have a "more modern" AM4 System already. The 5500 is good, but is more or less a Ryzen 3600. In BeamNG this CPU works, but going from 5500 to 5700X3D while also having more modern DDR4 RAM ( i guess 3200), you benefit alot in this game with a better CPU. And with an RX6600 you are more than capable to generate enough frames for BeamNG in 1080p. I used an RX6600 for 1080p Ultrawide in Beam with an i7 8700 (Around Ryzen 3600/5500). Works. But the Upgrade to the Ryzen 7600 was intense overall Even without the 3D V-Cache. If you do not have a strong focus on BeamNG, a faster GPU would have worked with The Ryzen 5500 in general. Also in most other racing games. Again, Resolution is important, too. Most Games would have no Problem with that CPU. But your 5700X3D is an Excellent Choice for this case, i would say.

[@arseniogarcia8631]

This is my actual combo the 5700X3D and 4080 Super. I like it to game at higher resolutions without needing the best CPU in the world to give me the appropriate head room. The X3D chip is just a really good value and will always uplift games that take advantage of the 3D V cache

[@Lurch-Bot]

No game is 'taking advantage of the 3D V-cache' because it is too new. There are just games that rely more on CPU cache than others. Those frame drops you don't get when driving through Night City anymore are because of the fact CDPR was trying to put 10 lbs of crap into a 5 lb bag is one of the most obvious benefits of X3D. Yeah, the engine is crap and not well optimized to do those calculations but that's a nebulous argument when you want to play Cyberbug. Basically, the physics calculations needed to move that fast through a high density area are so intense that it overwhelms pretty much any CPU that isn't an X3D. Cache is required to process all those physics calculations. This is why X3D pretty much universally performs better in racing and flight sims. The more realistic the physics, the more caching required for the intermediate stages of those calculations. Not that Cyberpunk is physics accurate but is far more complex than something like Black Myth Wukong. If a game ends up noticeably GPU heavy these days, it is usually because the physics are simple.

[@arseniogarcia8631]

@Lurch-Bot Just because they're not developing the game with X3d chips in mind doesn't mean games don't take advantage of it.... not one in the same

[@arseniogarcia8631]

@Lurch-Bot Also..... Ain't no one reading all of that

[@lagginswag]

Pulled the trigger on a 5700x3d from ali through szcpu, should be here in about 2 weeks. Coming from a 1600af paired with a 5700xt. For 140$ if all goes well, its a no brainer. 🎉

[@mynickisalreadytaken]

Hope this will work for you. 5700XT Still works great for 1080p and the CPU will give you an uplift without a doubt. Do you already have decent RAM with decent Timings? It helps the new CPU heaps.

[@lagginswag]

@@mynickisalreadytaken 32gb kit of ripjawsv 3200 cl16, but can probably tune it

[@lagginswag]

@mynickisalreadytaken 32gb gskill ripjawsV 3200 cl16, but I can probably tweak it a bit

[@mynickisalreadytaken]

3200 cl16 sounds like you have good ram for the CPU. Nice. Has the CPU landed already?

[@lagginswag]

@@mynickisalreadytaken got here today actually. will probably install it tomorrow. wish me luck lol

[@larsenmats]

Thanks for the video. This was fun for me to watch, as I have two PCs. One based around the 5700X3D and the other based on a 13400F with DDR4 :P However, not the same graphics card. My 5700X3D setup is running a RX 7800 XT and my 13400F is running the RX 7700 XT.

[@Cynic_6489]

i just built a 5700X3D rig for my brother yesterday. he got lucky and managed to snag one for a good price and it was in stock. mildly annoyed they kept running out of stock when i was doing the shopping two months ago and just settled for a 5700X but oh well. we're both pretty happy with our rigs now

[@Lurch-Bot]

The only reason they came back into stock is because they stopped production of the 5800X3D and 7800X3D, freeing up silicon. The good thing about that is you might actually get 5800X3D silicon. This is also why they released the 7600X3D and why I expect to see a 7700X3D launch a couple months after the 9800X3D.

[@tim3172]

@@Lurch-Bot "Freeing up silicon" The 5700X3D is a binned 5800X3D. Stopping the production of 5800X3D units would do the *opposite* of "freeing up" the ability to create defective 5800X3D parts (aka 5700X3d), The 7800X3D is made on an entirely different line using a different process. (5000 is 7nm, 7000 is 5/6 nm combination) They're not making license plates where you simply change a template and make something else.

[@Warbob11]

I just upgraded to the 5700X3D I'll stick with AM4 until late AM5 or AM6. Plus I rather stick with a platform with a wide variety of components and boards over a deathclock CPU that will possibly die away even if every setting recommended is enabled. Or if Intel will get me to hop back to them again, 3rd gen & 4th amazing chips.

[@karlfranciscobalbuena5224]

5700x3d is the Best Gaming Cpu in Am4. Price to performance is so unreal.

[@gregciuba2172]

Great vid. I am really curious how these two would fare compared at 1440p since I imagine the differences would drop down. I understand why 1080p is being used as a measure but I'd love to see 1440p results in the future vids. Thanks for your hard work! ❤

[@marlon.8051]

on a cpu benchmark, 1440p would make it more gpu intensive and make the benchmarks worse as a cpu review

[@evilleader1991]

Despite that the 1% will be better on x3d

[@gregciuba2172]

@@marlon.8051 almost like I alluded to that in my reply yet said that 1440p inclusion would be welcome, hmmm

[@buildyourcomputer]

I think he had a different video with 5700x3d that may have shown 1440p.

[@Capital_KP]

Nice video! I changed from a 5800X to an 5700X3D today! I know its not a big change. Pairing it with a RTX 4080.

[@blakecasimir]

For those thinking of doing this: I'm on a 5800X, I examined benches and came to the conclusion that you'll gain 10~% gaming perf and improved low percentiles, but lose up to the same amount of multi-core perf in non-gaming workloads. I'm not switching.

[@Frozoken]

​@@blakecasimiryeah 5700x3d just has such low clocks

[@Capital_KP]

@@blakecasimir I do not use my PC for anything but gaming and youtube. So I wanted to try it out. I know its a minor impact. But I stilled my urge to buy something new aswell 😅

[@Chill_Mode_JD]

@@Capital_KPI did the same thing but I gave my wife my 5800x which worked out perfectly since she does CAD kitchen and bath design and I just game so we both got some big gains in performance

[@Capital_KP]

@ Nice! My 5800X is gonna upgrade my friends 3600 and his 3600 is gonna upgrade another friends PC with a 3100. And the 3100 will be sold :)

[@Cantodorum]

I got the 5800X3D for 230€, its crazy how the prices went up. Good to see that the 5700X3D ist just as powerful for a much more stable price

[@TheSpotify95]

Not bad. Kinda knew the 5700X3D would win in terms of gaming performance but surprised the percentile figures were better on some games with the i5. Sometimes having better percentile figures is better than a slightly better average.

[@randomisedaccessgaming1876]

I got a 5700x3d last week to replace my 3700x and it's an amazing processor, great again 🙂

[@406Steven]

Good comparison! I was curious how the X3D qould fare, looks like a killer budget CPU.

[@LinuxCity79]

yea i just got a 5700x3d and paired it with a 7800xt and damn no regrets. i play in 1440p ultrawide

[@Rewend04]

Can you run Dragon's Dogma 2 on these tests? While it's a game not well optimized, its really CPU heavy and can be interesting to see the comparison between CPUs in towns of the game (probably where you will get the worst FPS on a older CPU)

[@EVOTech1]

I suspect the reason the 14400F is scoring higher in the 1% and .1% lows in some titles is just do to the limitation of the clock speed of zen 3 vs Raptor Lake. the 5700x3d has a max turbo of 4.1ghz, so the much higher clock speed of the 14400F as well as the IPC of raptor lake is likely making a difference in favor of the 14400F in some cases. Overall a great showing on the 5700x3d's part considering the age of the platform vs the 14400F.

[@larsenmats]

but the 14400F only boosts to 4.1GHz all core under gaming?

[@valentin3186]

I feel like 12400F is so cheap right now that it makes sense to get a B-Riptide ddr5 and bclk oc. 5700x3d price is going down too but the Boost clock is kinda low for multi use cases

[@Hakan89]

Just upgraded to one from a Ryzen 5 1600, it's so good

[@GreasyGrice]

first! love your videos, man.

[@spudbuilt4308]

Newegg keeps having the 14400 with a mobo for 250 a lot so it's nice to see someone test it (for ref the 5700x3d is $180 alone for me)

[@EBMproductions1]

*Very interesting as i am upgrading to the Ryzen 7 early 2025 intel did quite well here not gonna lie*

[@PeterPauls]

I use a Ryzen 7 5800X3D paired with an RTX 4080 for 2 years in 1440p. No visible CPU bottleneck and the 3D-V cache is a must have if you use RT because it elevates the CPU usage quite a lot.

[@mrhappy8966]

I would love to see the 12400 vs the 5700x3d I own the intel but it would be nice to see an honest review.

[@nintendoatarikiller]

I swore I'd never buy an intel CPU again when I got shafted with the switch from LGA1151 to LGA1200. 9700k was and still is a fantastic CPU

[@TheBigGeordieGeek]

Decided the other day to upgrade to a 5700X3D just awaiting a payment coming through to me before I can pull the trigger!

[@naphtaligarde1646]

I bought the Ryzen 7 5700X3D because of the 3D V cache... and it's more cheaper than any Intel counterpart in my country. Good choice for me, even though it's a AM4 platform.

[@permsn]

Thx for this vid and calming voice of you ❤

[@steviebhoy25]

Perfect timing as I just bought a 5700X3D of AliExpress, upgrading from the 3700X, so looking forward to a bit of an improvement, Going for an open air test bench build with 280mm AIO's on both CPU/GPU, wish me luck.

[@lagginswag]

Same but coming from a 1600af/2600. Hope my vetroo u6 pro can cool it. 😅

[@jonpeley]

Purely for gaming the X3D cached CPUs are a must. For all around usage I'll stick to my 5700X.

[@TechOverwrite]

Fifth? Clicked for the possible doggo, but stayed for the solid game result analysis 😅

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Haha thank you :)

[@darky799]

B450 and even some pcie 4 b550 high end board are much cheaper with bios updated out of box, or you can ask seller and most of them do it for free. Main advantage for getting good board is much better vrm cooling so chipset can run at its full potential at all times, more ports and better ram oc capabilities (even b450 ds3h v2 is capable of very good ram oc and tightening timings), also not to forget ability to oc and uv the chipset (i use pbu undervolt on all cores and its super stable, forgot the values but its much cooler than stock with higher performance as i applied lil bit oc too! On 5600 btw). Also it always brings a smile on my face whenever i see someone upgrade from ryzen 1600/2600 to x3d chip or any 5600 and above chip, saw many doing it even on b350 boards!

[@chancetempleton3829]

AMD left it up to Mobo manufacturers regarding x470 and post Zen 2 CPU support. I look at those able to upgrade to newer chips with envy...and look at AMD/Asrock with distrust for not fully supporting their products.

[@devicexd1326]

upgrade from 5700x, huge improvement in gaming, 100+ more fps in cs2, and much smoother 2077 game experience in 90fps thanks to the better 1% low fps. After I sold the 5700x, it only cost me $30, AM4 is legend.

[@Phoenician4922]

I'm actually confused...I always thought that the FPS was always limited by either the CPU or GPU (meaning one of them will hit 100% utilization before the other). However, I can clearly see that neither CPU or GPU is hitting 100% in these comparisons, what stops the 14400F from spreading its legs further for instance to gain the extra FPS.

[@swiftqwrt7543]

From experience, a cpu dont need to show 100% utilization for it to be a bottleneck. The i5 might not be able to use all of its cores in games 100%.

[@Phoenician4922]

@swiftqwrt7543 Thanks...I guess so...I'm also a bit surprised that we can still get a CPU bottleneck with high and ultra settings, I thought we needed the lowest settings on 1080p to get a CPU bottleneck but I guess not. Makes me think twice about getting a low end cpu with let's say a 4060.

[@tyler6602]

I was just messing around with a GPU benchmark on lowest settings and it only used 2 threads of my 8 core CPU so my cpu usage was only around 15 percent while the GPU was only at 50-60

[@swiftqwrt7543]

@@Phoenician4922 Yes, its interesting to see how different games utilize cpus. If the cpu and ram isnt powerful enough, gpu wont be able to run 100%. If fps is acceptable though, i dont think its a problem.

[@sharkey9]

You'd need to see all cores load, not only the CPU load. If any core is utilized fully, there's the bottleneck.

[@ppp3435]

Can you please re test i5 with ddr5?

[@loucipher7782]

i think chances of games not utilizing E core is more than the 3D cache unless Intel start bribing devs and flip the direction of modern games towards E cores instead of 3D cache

[@JasonWheeler-yk2de]

Exactly what I'm looking for

[@Spec0psGrunt]

May i suggest space marine 2 as a test game? Its cpu bound and new/popular so it might be a good test game. Theres also hige vistas and battles everywhere so its not hard to find taxing areas.

[@cyberpunk59]

When you think about the fact that the 5000 cpus were starting to be release when Intel was only on its 10th gen, those productivity benchmark stay very honourable in my opinion. Were the 5700x3d released back in 2020, Intel would quite likely be dead today.

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Random, Yeah if your main priority is Maximum FPS Gaming a R7-X3D is the way to go if you can afford them, for most of the games I play a R5 2400G using IGP is good enough & some still OVERKILL! 😂

[@XFROOS]

For 5700x3d Owner I have good news for you how to get free extra performance If you have ram 3200mhz overclock it to 3600mhz ( higher the ram speed are better regardless of the CL) and use PBO 2 tuner and lower the voltage -mv20 Those will higher 0.1 and 1% And slightly increase Avg frame rates ( Ram speed effects significantly depends on type of the game some games take a big advantage of that and avg frame get up alot ) I am 5700x3d owner i did multiple tests on it

[@tim3172]

- Assuming RAM that was binned down to 3200MHz will actually work with reasonable stability at 3600MHz (there's a reason they didn't sell it at 3600MHz for a higher cost.) - Assuming their 5700X3D functions exactly as yours does... which is almost never the case as AMD chips tend to vary wildly in silicon quality. "Those will hire"... riiiiiiiigggghhhhtttt "Ram speed effects".... again... riiiiiiiggghhhtttt

[@mr.burner8797]

I know this is an odd request but I'd really love to see you check out the igpu performance of Intel's new 245K whenever you do decide to buy them for reviews. It has half the cores of A380 and with the right memory config it should be close to desktop 1650 performance. Cheers nonetheless m8

[@SecurePasta]

It would be nice to see a price to performance graph to see how many frames you get for your money and to see if it's worth paying more for one processor over the other.

[@Redmage913]

I’m interested as I have an 11400F and 5700X3D. Thank you!

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Awesome :)

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

These AM4 3D chips make the platform last longer for gamers. No need for expensive AM5 upgrade to game on PC. I don't expect AMD to release new models for this platform(though the return of 5800X3D would be nice), but hope AM5 gets slightly better support and last as long.

[@TrusteftTech]

For some reason I found more interesting the what appears to be bottleneck in both systems being the CPUs. Not completely unexpected, but does make you wonder if you are going to have these or similar CPUs, if it would be even worth the extra cost going for a 4080 Super or equivalent.

[@JohnPamplin]

(Laughs in X3D) Did you notice the GPU on the Intel side wasn't under as high a load? It's like the architecture just wasn't feeding it data as efficiently as the Ryzen side, so it generated less FPS.

[@Bad.Ju.Ju.]

Hi. What ram are you using?

[@AD34534]

I can see AMD releasing a 5800X3D with the X3D die on the bottom and a 400MHz overclock.

[@Cofi99]

I can see too. Maybe a Ryzen 9 5950x3D with both 3D CCD's on the bottom and a max turbo boost to 5GHz on all cores or more! This will be finall and ultimate CPU for AM4 socket :D

[@gabrieldiniz7077]

Which version of windows you're using? I saw some tests claiming that 24h2 update increase Ryzen performance on gaming

[@Leviathan_1.0]

My 5700x3d and 7900 GRE is just a 1440p MONSTER, not gonna upgrade till AM6

[@stumpusMaximus]

14400f superb gaming CPU for 1440p and 4K and cheap to-boot. Stuck it alongside an RTX 4070TI and it smokes gaming.

[@flagpoleeip]

Have you considered running Blackmyth at low settings? to make it more cpu bound? 🤔

[@ZunaO93]

Did you test the i5 14400F without TDP limit oder at stock settings ?

[@DanniieLTorres]

Its seems that everywhere I see a review or benchmark in gaming the 3D chips just dominate, however, is there a scenario that includes you wanting the best gaming cpu (within a budget) and a similarly priced intel cpu is a better choice? Compatibility? I don't know.

[@sharkey9]

No, not for gaming.

[@lightyagami344]

14400f cost only 150 euros while 5700x35 cost 205 euros.. that's a big win for 14400f.

[@frankmills1917]

Do you have videos for cpu only gaming?

[@splasherrrr]

u tellin me rn that cyberpunk would use 100% of both in high crowd situations? like 70%+ cpu usage in benchmark is crazy

[@mr.number9279]

Also, AM4 and AM5 don't have incessant crashing issues :D

[@sharkey9]

13400/14400 don't have these issues. They're basically 12th gen which don't have these issues at all. Only from 13600/14600 and above you're fked...

[@mr.number9279]

@@sharkey9 Yes, they do. It is literally ANY Raptor Lake or refresh if it CAN reach 65W. That includes the laptops.

[@sharkey9]

@@mr.number9279 Raptor Lake starts with 13600K. Anything below that (including 13600 non-K) is Alder Lake. Which is not affected. 14400 comes with different dyes, might be alder or raptor, so yes, we were both right and wrong.

[@mr.number9279]

@@sharkey9 There's little reason to trust Alder Lake, to be fair. Arrow Lake/Core Ultra, the newest one after Crashtor Lake, also has it. If anyone actually used Alder Lake, it would've been identified more.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

Damn the percent lows was horrible on the X3D for the averages it get. But the thing is many esport titles especially CS2 favor more AMD. That was just irritating to see if it drops too much.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

A lot of Intel hate lately but they destroy AMD when it's productivity and gaming (which I do) pure gaming AMD own the market now though!

[@solocamo3654]

All the lower 1% and .1% lows are simply due to single core performance difference between the two. Same reason my 11900k will outdo a 5800X3D at times as well.

[@sefon6353]

@RandomGamingHD the Ryzen 5800X3D has been withdrawn from sale recently. do you think the ryzen 5700X3D will be available for sale in the future?

[@megamanfan1500]

So, rather than upgrading to AM5, I decided to remain on AM4, and swap out my 3700x for the 5700x3d (X570 motherboard). However, i also upgraded my GPU from a 2080 Super, to a 4080 Super. I have a 1440p 144hz monitor. Is this a bad CPU/GPU pairing?

[@creatorspark9319]

No it's fine.

[@larsenmats]

Should be good. 5700X3D is even capable of handling RTX 4090 at 1440p/4K without the CPU becoming a big bottleneck.

[@fspirolazzi467]

What cooler are you using with the ryzen???

[@michahojwa8132]

It seems Wukong 1080p high is too high of a details, maybe add FSR3Q+FG. This game can 60fps even 4090, it will overflow the cache in 1080p, big chance it does it on high details. Also - probably you know that - RDNA3 gpus loose HALF of fps going high>cinematic. Also - word is 9800x3d on 1080p med-high is getting huge fps bump - can observe this on hardware canucks as they've compared 1080p high to 720p low to check perf scalling. I get that 9800x3d is pricey part but my guess is 9800x3d+7900GRE can be used to gaming gains same way as on budget builds and that would be cool to watch, say on wukong with path tracing+720p+fsr3.1. I constantly promote calling such type of tests 'shameless' :).

[@berticus0001]

Should have my 57 tomorrow morning, managed to grab one from ali for a oner plus 20%, but tbh not expecting any real change. Upgrading from my R5 1600 (AE) which already pushes my 12Gig 3060 at 100% but should get quicker loading, snappier response and the ability to unzip large archives at more than 20 bytes per second after reaching 75% (1st gen Ryzen is still not really win10 compatible).

[@theodentherenewed4785]

5800X3D was so good that it got replaced by 5700X3D. It's a great value, but 1% lows are worse due to lower clock speed. Intel will need to make 3D chips to catch up,

[@youzernejm]

If I remember correctly from the previous video, your AM4 board isn't anything special. Maybe a weaker vrm is the reason for the 5700x3d inconsistencies?

[@Y.T_Cosmic]

Id love to see the Intel I5 14400f vs Intel Ultra 7 265K

[@Wander.bar.]

Hey, I am looking to buy an Intel core i5-12400f what motherboard should I pair it with? I saw in the other video that you have got "Msi pro h610M-E/G". How good is it? Should I buy it or spend more on a Gigabyte b760M H or even a Gigabyte 760M Gaming X or maybe buy The Gigabyte H610M K which is a bit cheaper but it got 1 less "Vrm thing"?

[@haniffhussein]

might wanna take out Wukong from the benchmark rotation from now on for CPU testing. its useless, always gonna hit gpu before making a dent on cpu test

[@medakabox2015]

do a 5600x test with cs2. i have been considering the 5700x3d as I mostly play cs2. need details on the 0.1 and 1 percent

[@mystiika]

My friend has 5700x3d paired with 3070, 400-450 fps avg in big deathmatch lobby with 1% low of around 200. The X3D chips are definitely the way to go if you're playing CS.

[@medakabox2015]

@@mystiika nice! I also have a 3070. Do you by chance play faceit? Does the fps there differ a lot?

[@CambridgePunk]

How about testing the 14400 against the 14500? Do the added E-Cores make a difference?

[@Jackthetraveller]

never tought a budget cpu would beat amds best gaming cpu

[@GregoryCunningham]

Ryzen Chiplet “Dip” in full effect here. Sad to see Intel abandon monolithic dies, it was what gave them such great 0.1% low performance. Now we just have the option of Bad or worse. 😔

[@tim3172]

You should spend 15 seconds educating yourself on the 9800X3D. Hint: it destroys Intel's monolithic design in every gaming benchmark and only loses out in productivity where, obviously, 24 cores is better than 8.

[@GregoryCunningham]

@@tim3172 I’m glad you’ve educated yourself on AMD’s marketing material. Next you can research what .1% percent lows are and why they matter. 🤦‍♂️

[@KeradSnake]

So.... you fixed the 5700X3D again or you managed to get it replaced?

[@Loundsify]

Got my 57003XD from amazon directly £161 and sold my Ryzen 3600 for £55. Massive upgrade for just over £100 lol

[@whodisab9725]

Can you imagine AMD going nuts and releasing a backport of the 7800X3D for socket am4?

[@robertanthonybermudez5545]

the midrange core i5 is able to keep up and slightly get ahead of the high-end ryzen 7?

[@johnbiggs6391]

wished you had tested a radeon card aswell, i feel the higher overhead of the nvidia drivers never tells the full story.

[@easycom65ify]

Again what about the resizeble bar can we have some information on that ?

[@GreekSIMRACING]

I run my 5700x3d tweaked 3733cl16 with RTX 4080,little beast at UltraWide 1440p

[@santo351]

so can i use this cpu on my ab350 pro4? it's am4

[@santo351]

@@dualpapayas ok ty! so update bios and then replace the cpu right?

[@otacon5648]

14400f and 4080 Super is a perfect 4K pairing

[@thunder8951]

.01% lows are needed for fps and esports as the more serious gamers will notice stutters and in general they do matter so thanks for adding them.

[@GunnerTT1]

I got 5700x3d and its amazing

[@BaroonValm]

Has that 5700x3D missing pin been fixed?

[@larsenmats]

I wonder the same

[@nguyenhuyduc9151]

Tl dr: 5700x3d is still extreme good, especial when you have mainboard for it yet!

[@adamek9750]

the zen 5 x3d is big jump in performance, I'm not sure whether to build a whole new am5 PC or just get the 5700x3d

[@pivoed]

If you need zen 5 x3d performance buy am5, if 5700x3d is enough for you, buy 5700x3d

[@MarkLangdahl]

My guess is the wins for the i5 om gaming results are mainly due to the difference between DDR 4 vs DDR 5.

[@sharkey9]

More likely single core performance.

[@jaibandroide]

why no cs2? or valorant?