Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review, AMD's Gift To Gamers!

[@jumpman1213]

The fact that you can run the latest and greatest gaming CPU on a 5 year old motherboard is crazy. I hope the AM5 platform will bring longevity like the AM4 did.

[@methamphetamememcmeth3422]

@@drunkhusband6257 are you fucking serious?

[@divanshu5039]

@@drunkhusband6257 nope you are wrong

[@ThunderingRoar]

@@drunkhusband6257 wasnt 3600X very comparable to 8700k? even regular zen3 is faster let alone zen3D

[@cromefire_]

@@drunkhusband6257 It's not about how long you can use a CPU, it's about how long you can get the newest CPUs for a board and Intel only ever had 2 generations on one board family more or less, so like 3-4 Years. The phrase "AM4 is a dead Plattform" now doesn't mean it can't be used anymore, I'm sure Zen+ CPUs can still be used pretty well in 5 years or so, I mean after all they probably won't die and only newer titles will get more demanding, older titles will be fine and newer one will probably also work fine at 60-120Hz until the new console generation comes around.

[@AD34534]

@@drunkhusband6257 They technically had more longevity since they never improved on performance until Ryzen came along, but nice try though. Also since you deflected from OP's main point, try running a new Intel CPU on a 5 year old motherboard and tell me how it goes.

[@mix3k818]

The last hurrah to AM4. What a good one at that. I'm sure the AM5 era of Ryzen won't be nearly as groundbreaking as the AM4 era, but I hope it'll at least be serviceable, especially now that Intel is back on their feet.

[@GewelReal]

It will have to be groundbreaking! Same goes for Intel. I think we are at the beggining of another massive CPU race. Probably GPU one as well

[@kingplunger1]

yeah, I am happy that amd hit intel over the head to wake them up.

[@michakrzyzanowski8554]

AM4 era lifted AMD from the verge of bankrupcy. Nothing will be legendary as this

[@GSP-76]

Intel's new CPU just got beat by an aging platform with DDR4 while they have DDR5. Ryzen 7000 is going to trounce Intel

[@logirex]

Is it a good one ? It keeps up fairly wel in gaming with the Intel 12900 versions but gets destroyed in anything else besides games.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Considering AMD did this without DDR5, I'm very excited for Ryzen 7000.

[@MyrKnof]

the whole thing is, they (somewhat) shed their reliance for faster ram with the extra cache, just like on RDNA2 (Radeon 6000 series). There might be other stuff in the ryzen 7000 series that increases reliance on RAM again, but we just dont know.

[@extreme123dz]

With half temp/power consumption, less clock, being little and not have trash "e-core" that do nothing but artificialy increase the core counts.

[@haukionkannel]

Ryzen 7000 does not have 3d cache... At least not normal versions. But based on this. It is easy to see that there may be version that have 3d cache!

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

@@haukionkannel we don't even know, the exact prodact range of ryzen 7000. why would you release such an experimental product and abandon the technology immediately?

[@dontmatter4423]

it's worse in productivity for which i was hoping the opposite. Plus that temperature is ridiculous considering it's underclocked and locked. This is more of a downgrade in overall performance

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

Farewell, AM4. It’s been a glorious 5 years. I’ve gone from an R5 1600 to an R7 5800x. This has been great. I won’t buy a 5800x3d, the 5800x is plenty fast enough, but what a platform.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

1000 and 2000 series were trash

[@rcavicchijr]

@@Dr.WhetFarts absolutely not. 8 cores for $329, and 6 for $219 That was amazing in 2017. I still have my 1700x in my backup pc, and it runs snappy as hell even now, and maxes out my old rx 580 just fine. Meanwhile the 7600k, and even the 7700k that was out at the same time and faster for gaming is likely to have pacing issues in newer games. Especially on older broken in windows installs.

[@rcavicchijr]

@@tilapiadave3234 well i have one, and have used it first hand. As well as a 3800x and a 5800x, so I can say from experience that the 1700x with an nvme feels "snappy." But you can go ahead and be a tool on the internet if you want. Also. Nice use of space commas.

[@rcavicchijr]

@@tilapiadave3234 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Way to get worked up enough to attack over someone's opinion about a cpu on the internet. What a loser.

[@AndrewTSq]

@@rcavicchijr my 2700 feels like an ancient raspberry pi.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

"The KS was ~15% Faster while using the 6400 ram..." That is 300% the cost. LMFAO!

[@AndrewTSq]

Compare the $530 5800x3D with the $370 12700F (all swedish prices), and check 1440P benchmarks. Just saying :-)

[@jayr8282]

If you clock the 12900k on DDR4 4000Mhz cl16 at 38ns latency it's the same as the DDR5.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@AndrewTSq Just sayin, most people looking at 12th gen would need a new mobo, and thus new ddr5, so the cost difference is something like AMD $530 vs Intel $1530. Currently im on x570 with a 3800x with 32gigs cl 14 3200 ram, In order to gain AS MUCH if not more (proven more as per the benchmarks you suggest) FPS as the intel build, id only have to spend 1/3 as much.

[@leexgx]

As it stands right now I only need motherboard and CPU to get the 5800x3d (I have 3600 cl16 ram but currently stuck at 2933 because x370 motherboard with a 3700x updated from a 1800x) so this has me Interested

[@afre3398]

The money you save vs the 12900KS setup can be put into a better GPU. That should not be at least overlooked. Not all are so lucky to have a unlimited budget

[@skyline2203]

They should have tested the 12700k, it's only $327 at amazon right now and a way better value. LTT did and there's only a 4% different in gaming but 12700k beats in productivity

[@skyline2203]

@@brownie43212 I agree, I rely on gamers Nexus and hardware unboxed for accurate reviews so I was disappointed here with no 12700k in the lineup. LTT is just Linus opinion for the most part which isn't good

[@Amorousstake4]

@@skyline2203 8GB DDR 5 4800 is at 70$ on amazon

[@skyline2203]

@@Amorousstake4 so? Still the 125 you save getting the 12700k allows you to get ddr5 which is much more future proof

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@Amorousstake4 That's for one single ram stick lol, memory needs to be ran in dual channel for best performance....

[@fVNzO]

Pretty cool to know i can chuck this in my very capable X370 i bought at the ryzen launch. I could see my mobo lasting me 8 years with this cpu.

[@countpuchi]

just got the asrock bios update and im READY

[@GSP-76]

I miss my Crosshair Hero VI...I loved that board and only replaced it thinking I couldn't get newer CPUs...gotta hand it to AMD for providing such awesome backwards compatibility

[@justinthejerkoff]

Same. My x370 Taichi was one of the best investments I've made in a PC maybe ever

[@jakacresnar5855]

I hope AM5 will follow suit. AM4 had amazing staying power.

[@djsnowpdx]

It’s just not gonna be great on X370. If you want a good experience, you should get X570, or wait for Zen 4. I have X370. I’m not upgrading in this board.

[@gabrielecrea7432]

Wow what a gain! The CPU itself Is a Little slower than the 5800x due to lower clock, but holy s**t what a gain only adding some cache. I think that in the future CPU Will have a lot more cache

[@countpuchi]

read the article for anand about IBM and the future of Cache tech. Its not new but its something that they want to branch something into for all these processors makers. And i believe it will be a huge change for all software developers as well.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

Dont see it as that amazing. Sure if you own AMD and want to stick to AMD. I can just negate the diff by running an intel at 5.5 ghz or more😜

[@alexmills1329]

@@MauriceTarantulas Yeah on LN2, that 12900ks is faster at 300w of power draw abs that’s stock voltag and abs clocks, you are talking about a $800 USD cpu being able to pull 450w plus just to be slightly faster than a $450 pulls

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@@MauriceTarantulas but what if you had those clocks and the cache?

[@tresnugget]

@@alexmills1329 looks like the 12900K is faster in most titles at stock clocks. But also you don't need ln2 to run at 5.5 GHz. I'm running 5.4 on an AIO.

[@MichaelBelgium]

AMD ending AM4 with a bang

[@thefurmidablecatlucky3]

5700x3D now

[@GewelReal]

Still more coming lol

[@sivagnanamduwarakan3473]

@@GewelReal and more

[@GewelReal]

@@sivagnanamduwarakan3473 ikr

[@343_GuiltySpark]

Here we are two years later and please just let it die in peace!

[@pageup213]

Very compelling. For day to day use I doubt I'd notice much when it comes to the slower clocks, but temps would also probably be better on average. In terms of achieving a nice bump to FPS (even at 1440p) feels like this would be a decent and relatively cost effective upgrade for gaming rigs looking to utilize the last legs of the AM4 platform.

[@sociallyawkwardpenguin9097]

Where are 1440p results?

[@amashaziz2212]

@@sociallyawkwardpenguin9097 more gpu bound at 1440p, so even less of a difference.

[@theholt2ic219]

@@sociallyawkwardpenguin9097 the results will be the same just fps will go down and the gains will be smaller. But still I didn’t think the 5800x3d was going to be this impressive. This AMDs first gen 3d cache. Their 2nd gen attempt will be incredibly powerful and hopefully allow OC

[@miweneia]

you aren't gonna gain anything at 1440p if you're running a low tier gpu

[@ColdRunnerGWN]

@@amashaziz2212 - until later this year when the new gen of GPUs, which are going to have a massive bump in performance. Then you'll see a similar difference for 1440P. That being said, you won't notice a difference in performance between the 12900k and the 5800x3d, but your wallet will definitely notice, especially if you already have an AMD board.

[@TheMrZombified]

The upgrade path with AMD has always been great but,this is just awesome.

[@Safetytrousers]

Not playing at 4k on a 120Hz screen.

[@zperdek]

@@Safetytrousers Why? Explain Yourself!

[@syncmonism]

I agree, but I don't think that the 5800X3D is very practical or worthwhile for most people. Sure, it's a better value than the nearest Intel equivalents, but that's not saying much. The 5600 is going to give most people the best value, by far, imo, and the 12400F is also an excellent value on the Intel side. The 5900X and 5950X are great for productivity workloads, but not worth it for gaming. The performance of the 5600 is still fantastic, and buying it will future proof your wallet so that you can afford to upgrade sooner if you so choose. Keep in mind that the better value parts don't depreciate nearly as much in re-sale value, so your net cost of upgrading from a system with a 5600 up to an AM5 system in maybe two years from now, isn't going to even be that high.

[@yusuffirdaus3900]

@@syncmonism otherwise the X3D processor is a great technological showoff from AMD

[@DimitriosChannel]

"That's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for em."

[@RGAS1897]

So glad I went AMD when I built my PC back in late 2019 with an X570 board and a 3700x. When Zen 4 releases and the price on the 5800X3D drops I think I'll upgrade to it and be able to extend the life of my system for at least another 3 years.

[@LatecoBraxatoris]

Same here :)

[@alexworm1707]

@@drunkhusband6257 stuck @1080p with a 3090ti at that lmao.

[@matheus-sm7860]

@@drunkhusband6257 probably 240fps

[@vasilisbill]

Yup i am am thinking doing the same. I Will sell my 3800x and buy 5800X3D when it drops in price, propably near zen 4 launch. Then i will get new generation GPUs that hopefully wont be scalped like nvidia 3000series/amd 6000 series this year.

[@dadgamer6717]

@@drunkhusband6257 yeah will be interesting how much a zen 4 1600 equivalent will be and compare with the 5800x!

[@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe]

The "we know you have an AM4 motherboard" gift from AMD. Thank you AMD. My 2019 R5 3600 build was born ready.

[@tropiq]

yeah this and the whole new non-x stack altho late offers upgrade options for all sub 5000 series am4 users, im jumping from 1700 (pre order at launch) to 5600 myself and i believe it will keep me happy for the next few years

[@goncaloduarte4683]

@@ok-70707 but he is gaining single and multithread performance

[@Baarkszz]

@@drunkhusband6257 LMAO WHAT this cannot be serious

[@Axeiaa]

@@tropiq Check the used market ;) I went from a Ryzen 5 1600-AF to Ryzen 7 5800X myself and paid around the price of the now discounted 5600X for it. Massive upgrade btw, Starcraft 2 is running a lot smoother and Lost Ark load times are a lot faster (and for compiling the extra cores are pretty neat as well).

[@TAP7a]

@@drunkhusband6257 Link? 8700K would have to be faster than most of the 12th Gen stack as well...

[@lioneckenbach552]

Imagine upgrading from a 1800x to the 5800X3D. The gaming Performance boost is insane

[@wayland7150]

Like a whole new PC but with just a chip change.

[@battmarn]

If I ever get round to upgrading I'd be going from an FX 8150 to a 5800X3D

[@kazioo2]

This used to be normal and expected for people who grew up building computers in late 90s and early 00s. The last decade is when the progress in CPUs stagnated badly.

[@lepari9986]

@@battmarn yeah but that's not AM4 socket so it misses the point.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

It's too bad that a lot of X370 & B350 boards still don't support Zen 3 though. I think only Asrock was the one to bother pushing AGESA 1-1-0-0 to their all 300 series boards. Some Asus & Gigabyte have as well but it's a mixed bag and there hasn't been an official rollout for early Ryzen adopters who have been largely left in the rear view mirror (Even though we know it's possible as Asrock has shown).

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

So, the rumors are true! The embargo _did_ lift on the 14th, a whole week before release! That's how you declare confidence in your product, AMD. And it seems Team Red's confidence is well-founded! It's looking like Steve's "Cores Vs. Cache" video was spot-on. Nice work, HUB crew. I look forward to that fuller benchmark video.

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

I really don't understand why you guys keep comparing it to the 5800x. Literally costs more than the 5900x which is on sale right now, or retails for just 50 bucks more USD, and where most of us who'd be thinking of buying this thing already are on AM4 and so our end stage CPU choices are going to be the 5800X3D, 5950x, or 5900x. Those are the only three CPUs I really care about being lined up in different tasks, which obviously the 5950x crushes it (albeit more costly) and to where our real gaming potential is going to be what that can achieve on a usually mid to higher end board (because if you're thinking of this good chance you have at least a decent b450 if not high end b550 or x570) using an all core "overclock" with sustained turbos. Like the only thing I actually care about is 5900x, 5950x, or 5800x3d. I have no clue why every reviewer keeps doing this because it's just not helpful. A lot of us probably are also on 1440p or 4k. I doubt anyone at all is thinking about the 5800x at this point, or where more or less each of these CPUs is in range of each other except 5950x but even that's only a hundred bucks higher depending on sale (identical gaming performance but the PBO/Ryzen Master tweaking allegedly offers slightly higher turbo clock + your final AM4 CPU has 4 more cores for the next 4-8 years of using this PC). I'm not thinking about switching to Alder Lake and I'd never consider the 5800x or 5700x upgrading from my 3700x, which likewise the 3600/3600x, 3700x, and 2700x users are probably also looking at how it all compares. I'm crossposting this in hopes that at least someone does this lineup rather than comparing to the 5800x or 12900ks (lol) neither of which clearly I'd ever get from 3700x. Seriously I get that it's to compare the quality of the hardware as per what the advertisers are saying, but it's literally not at all related to what near any of us actually wants, because I'd never upgrade to the "mere" 5800x to be my computer's final form on AM4 from Zen2, nor would I ever build on a completely new platform right now rather than upgrade. The only people this satisfies is Intel and AMD, not the consumers, all of whom are thinking about the 5900x, 5800x3D, or 5950x, which is funnier when it costs $70 more than the on sale 5900x right now. You'd have either already bought a 5600x and not be upgrading for many years like a 3570k user buying a used 3770k on ebay before junking his LGA1155 on ebay or storage/relative, where this won't be useful to you for 5 years, or be on an older generation and thinking about what your last CPU is going to be which there really is no point getting a 5800x and would either be getting a 5700x to stay octacore, or just getting the best last chip (which is 5950x unless you're solely gaming and the added cost isn't worth it) which is vs the 5900x for gaming. Or you'd have already upgraded to the base 5800x and been satisfied with that since a year ago, and therefore the comparison isn't relevant to you either. I'd lastly add, that perhaps someone like Steve/HWUB could do a review of older gen Zen2 and Zen1 chips to let some of those people see what they're in for and compared to the other two top end chips AM4 ever had.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

@@pandemicneetbux2110 To reply to a long rant with a short answer, they keep comparing it to the 5800X because it's literally a 5800X with more cache. Watch Steve's latest video comparing the two to see what a difference it makes.

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

@@benjaminoechsli1941 It's not a rant. If it was angry it'd have been a rant. That's more bewilderment and confusion as to why such an obvious thing hasn't been done by nearly anybody so far. I also don't think you understood what was said or had anything valuable to add at all, since I've already addressed that the only reason to compare the two is from a technical standpoint, and not a consumer oriented one. I also obviously watched all the videos on this released by everyone from GN to HWUB to Anthony at LTT etc.

[@ufodeath]

For those wondering _"Why build a new system around this part with AM5 on the Horizon?"_ Remember: This is primarily for those who have had an AM4 Board for a while and wish to upgrade their processor to achieve the best gaming performance. Also... It's for those that want close to the best gaming performance RIGHT NOW, but for way cheaper than Intel.

[@starkistuna]

I think its too early to be speculating on AM5 as PCi4 stuff is not even reached its full potential, plus all the early headaches of bios issues at launch always suck for like the first 8 months

[@ufodeath]

@@starkistuna I did not say anything in particular about AM5 except that it's on the Horizon. Growing pains and bugs on a new platform are always a problem to some extent, but that's not going to stop people from upgrading to it if it shows very strong promise at a competitive price. In my book, the 5800X3D is compelling evidence to suggest that Zen 4 will provide better gaming performance than what Intel 12th gen offers, especially on upcoming GPU's. A smart move by AMD would be to release AM5 processors significantly before new GPU's are launched, so people can prepare their builds in advance with a future GPU in mind.

[@TechyBen]

Yep. AMD know they are on a winning streak. So are not worried about cannibalising some of their existing customers. A customer wanting to upgrade from AMD now, to Intel, at cost $1200, will go "I'll get a $450 chip, and in a years time spend $1200 if AMD have even better!" AMD are getting the drip fed customers, letting Intel hurt for the massive whales, but at a risk of loosing their crown later down the road.

[@0Turbox]

People, who holds that long to their old system, will then add a $450.00 CPU?

[@ufodeath]

@@0Turbox It's pretty common, especially for long lived platforms. Intel has switched platforms like crazy in recent years. There aren't a lot of people who completely jumps ship from their old system when the very next generation of processors, after their build, launches on a different platform. Admittedly though, I find myself building "guest" computers based on deals.

[@menpee]

From the 3 tech channels I follow (HUB, GN, LTT), this review was the most well rounded. The comparison between the 5800X, 12900K and 12900KS is obvious but the extra RAM settings from reasonable to balls to the walls with the completed platform price summary are such a good angles to include in order to show the whole picture. Good job as usual!

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

LTT is garbage.

[@crylune]

Don't follow lTT for reviews, those clowns are only entertainment.

[@samvega827]

You and Gamer nexus Steve did an amazing job on these reviews! They both help me see how its about the same in production and I'm mainly gaming focused for now. I'm glad to see a fair comparison on both ends; and wtf kind of response is that intel?! 800?!?! Cant wait to see the 30 game follow up!

[@monke2361]

I don't even see 12900KS as a response because its a different price category. That being said I don't think either of these are good value for the money, if this 5800x3d released a year ago it would be. But Am4 platform is going to die soon. May as well wait for Zen 4 or Raptor Lake, and I hope intel will support their cpus for at least 3 generations instead of the usual 2. Am5 will probably have good longevity

[@PabzRoz]

I'm seeing a lot varying results between channels. Some are saying it ties or doesn't beat the 12900K/S and some are saying it blows them away. That's with Intel using ddr5. There must be some serious testing variances. For example hardware canucks 5800X3D performed nearly identical to the regular 5800X with a 3080ti at 1080p high settings... Maybe I'm missing something cuz I'm skimming through everyone's reviews but idk.

[@syncmonism]

@@PabzRoz On average, the X3D is a lot better than the 5800X, but how much different games benefit from this huge L3 cache does seem to vary a lot. Worst case, the X3D isn't too far behind the 5800X. At the end of the day, I think it's very impractical, given the price. The 5600 and 12400F are the best gaming CPUs right now imo. Either offers more than enough performance, and they offer way better value than products above them, though the value gets progressively worse as you go up in price. Of course, for heavily threaded work, the 5900X and 5950X are great values too, but not for gaming.

[@PabzRoz]

@@syncmonism 100% agree

[@syncmonism]

​@@monke2361 Intel probably doesn't have a very big supply of the 12900KS. They would obviously know that not very many people would pay that much, especially given how small the performance advantage it has is over other much cheaper CPUs. They can get away with slapping a huge price premium on their fastest CPU, because some people will still buy it I guess, but they can easily lower the price and still make a good profit on them, if/when they're no longer selling fast enough. The 5800X3D is clearly priced to sell in a much larger quantity, though it's still a big premium to pay for what it gets you. I also find it to be pretty pointless for the vast majority of gamers, given that a 5600 or 12400F is already going to give you excellent performance which isn't that far off, for less than half the price.

[@HansonExciting]

Performance of MMORPG will be very interesting for this CPU. In my experience, L3 Cache size does a lot in Moon blade. 12600k and 12700 have difference of 5mb L3 cache. In the same scene(me and my friend playing together), 12600k averages 100fps, while 12700 is 125fps. (I had lower my ram speed to 2667mhz, and reduce the resolution to make the GPU not 100% usage to try making the only difference were the CPUs) However I know MMORPG is very hard to benchmark, so I just want to share my experience to my fellow MMORPG gamers here.

[@Manakuski]

Playing wow here with a 12700KF at 5ghz P-cores 3,8ghz E-cores, Gear down 1 mode DDR4 4000 17-17-17-37 timings with tREFI maxed and tRFC tightened to 360 and getting ridicilous 200+ fps just about nearly everywhere, using an RTX 3070Ti. Also getting very nice 240-300fps in rebirth resurgence in COD:Warzone, except when dropping from the air (gpu bottlenecked hard).

[@wrong1189]

This is very true as I try to tell people. I play alot of FFXIV, Blade &, Soul, and some Swords of Legends recently and MAN upgrading from my 3950x to my 5900x about 2 weeks ago using a 3080 TI@1440p got huge gains. Went from 20.5k to 26k on the Endwalker benchmark alone. Standing in limsa used to be a 55-60fps experience when crowded and now its 85-95fps during peak hours. I really do wish more reviewers would include the FFXIV benchmark since it scales exponentially with CPU IPC, ram latency, and CPU cache. Not everyone only plays the latest mainstream AAA titles which use alot of threads. Alot of older titles and MMO/RTS focus alot more on 2-4 thread and memory latency performance.

[@mrdali67]

@@wrong1189 There are several instances of MMorpg's beeing much more CPU intesitive than single person games and even games like CS, because of the often vast size of the gaming worlds and there are often going much more processing on behind the graphics. Also because almost none of the "of the shelf" game engines available is optimized towards these games, so it really boils down to how good programmers they have onboard to make existing engines able to handle all the ai, database access and rule checking that goes on in those games. I remember when SoE released EverQuest II. It was pretty much cutting edge graphics when it was released, and just about no available hardware, cpu or graphics was able to run it on max graphics settings, Untill someone build a sytem with a server mobo with 2 Pentium Pro'sand for that time a buttload of ram. Then they could get the details up to what the engine deserved, but it still took several years before the PC hardware caught up and you were able to play the game on max settings at a decent fps rate. Unfortunately all the release bugs cause they had to beat Blizzards WoW release ruined the early game, not that WoW didn't have many issues too, but the early WoW game was just still more enjoyable than EQ II. Unfortunately Blizzard never got it right to get an enjoyable End Game play.

[@riklaunim]

In WoW 4650G vs 3500X did act in 3500X favor (even when 4650 clocks bit higher, is monolithic and can use faster memory) in some cases. The difference was smaller when the game was forced into single core bottleneck (a.k.a. mass combat situation).

[@Cooe.]

Dunno if you ever got your answer, but 3D V Cache absolutely fucking MERCS MMORPG's!!! Nothing even comes REMOTELY FUCKING CLOSE to AMD X3D CPU's in games like WoW!

[@RepsUp100]

This is a gift for AM4 owners before Zen 4.

[@retro_boy_advance]

This was a really great, comprehensive review. Appreciate it, Steve!

[@rangersmith4652]

The 3D series seems promising. AMD should include that tech in its next series of CPUs. Maybe that's their plan, but I haven't been keeping up.

[@GSP-76]

That's exactly what they're doing...3D stacked cache has been one of their main techs going into Zen 4.

[@NawfalHasan]

@@GSP-76 where did you come across that? Can't find anything related to that online.

[@highlow8683]

@@NawfalHasan his ass

[@outcastp23]

@@NawfalHasan It's not official as AMD won't want to announce ahead of time, but there's been quite a few reports on it that AMD will launch regular zen 4 initially and then lauch 3D versions later.

[@DGao-zz5vq]

If I’m not mistaken, V-cache was developed with the HPC market as its primary audience, where the sizable increase in cache capacity translates to major performance benefits. They are going to continue asking for SKUs with increased cache capacity, and AMD is going to continue supplying them. Similarly, Intel is making a variant of Sapphire Rapids with on package HBM to serve the same market. However, leaked info from Gigabyte suggest that the standard Zen4 8c CCD contains 32MB of L3 cache, the same as its Zen3 predecessor. As the review has shown, the added cache layer interrupts the heat transfer away from the compute die, and doesn’t provide much benefit in desktop applications, so V-cache will continue to be an optional feature. (Unless the 5800X3D flops hard in sales - and I don’t think that is likely, in that case V-cache might become Epyc exclusive)

[@DrearierSpider1]

At Microcenter, the 5900X is $400 and the 5950X is $550. I'd be very tempted to go Ryzen 9 over 5800X3D at those prices.

[@JohnDuthie]

I'd be tempted to buy a Vermeer 4c/8t CPU if AMD wasn't so stingy

[@Fattony6666]

heck no!

[@GewelReal]

@Amoled Depends on what you're after

[@rdmz135]

X3D is better for gaming. 5900X is better for productive work. Both have their place.

[@TimSheehan]

If you do any kind of compute intensive work sure, but if you just game, browse the web and do office work on the PC the 5900X makes no sense compared to 5800X3D

[@devindykstra]

Bravo AMD! I was not expecting to see gains anywhere near this significant.

[@StefandeJong1]

Also consider people already having a Ryzen system ready to go. Upgradring from a Ryzen 3600 + B450 board + 3200+ Mhz memory, the $450 will be an amazing upgrade with just a BIOS update.

[@zam1007]

For doing what though? What is the main use case? What gpu are you running?

[@StefandeJong1]

@@zam1007 I'm mainly talking about whether you're going to buy a 12900k (or even a 12700k) over a 5800X3D. As we saw in the video, the main advantage of the X3D is in gaming performance.

[@zebical]

I'm excited for the new gen Ryzens now. Should be fun!

[@alun1038]

It's actually pretty impressive since the 12900KS costs almost twice as much as the 5800X3D, whilst consuming considerably more power and it notoriously requires a very beefy cooler to keep the thermals in check

[@neonlights_12]

Gamer's Nexus measured 275W for the 12900KS LMAO. That's almost as much as my 1080ti! And LTT ran prime95, the 3800X3D hit 90c while Intel hit 100c and thermal throttled.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Well I just looked and for a solid Z690 board and 6400Mhz DDR5 the total platform costs of the 12900KS is more like $1,500 lol

[@dsdfasefes1883]

@@neonlights_12 it's 275W in Blender where it's almost 2 times faster then 5800X3D. 12700K in Blender is as efficient as 5800X3D, 12600K is more efficient.

[@neonlights_12]

@@dsdfasefes1883 I know, I was talking solely about the 12900KS. Two times faster for almost three times the power draw at twice the price isn't worth it imo, but also if you were doing workloads you wouldn't look at the 3D anyway, it's established there are better chips in both camps for frequency dependant applications.

[@utubby3730]

Yes because gamers typically run Prime95 all day.... Nothing more facepalm inducing than seeing people freak out over a scenario that has nothing to do with them! You can game with a 12900k on an air cooler with a fixed all core of 5.1 to 5.2 depending on silicone, it will draw 40-90w typically when gaming. You know you dont have to allow it pull 200 and 300 watts right? Its not going to hurt your gaming performance because it doesnt need to pull that at all to maintain those clocks.

[@bofast]

Well, this is one way to let the AM4 platform go out in a blaze of glory. Looking like I might trade up from my 3700X for some crazy good performance improvements

[@MattStevens9824]

Thus, for Gaming builds, the R7 5800X3D: +saves you from buying a more expensive 12th Gen intel i9 processor +saves you from buying more expensive DDR5 memory (it achieves speeds close to this with just DDR4 memory) +more power efficient vs the Intel 12th Gen i7 and i9 Thank you AMD! Love yer efficiency!

[@RoycoNL]

it's even more impressive when you realise the intel part uses about twice the power.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

And costs nearly twice the price, not including the insane costs of really fast DDR5 AND anyone on a B450/X470/B550/X570 board can just slot the 5800X3D as a drop in upgrade. As usual Intel really struggles with platform costs at the top end. Now you're comparing 12900KS + Z690 + 6400Mhz DDR5 ($1,500) vs the Ryzen 5800X3D ($450) and it gets a little silly to even consider Intel. Now I imagine some cavalier tweakers will mess about with Infinity Fabric OCs and tight DDR4 timings and achieve even better results than Steve.

[@saricubra2867]

It's a 16 core processor with high clockspeed 🙄 Apples and oranges comparison.

[@HosakaBlood]

@@The_Man_In_Red well that’s the price for having early ddr5 but who cared enthusias like it and about price a 12900k only cost 150$ more but you get twice the amount of core so is not like the 5800x3d is super cheap or anything

[@ice-dogg]

It doesn't, did you not watch the video?

[@JoeMama-yl1ow]

Twice the cost twice the power and twice the cores. and 700 mhz faster hmm amd at 5.5 looks pretty promising with ddr5 for sure intel suck it.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

I would have loved to see RPCS3 performance included in benchmarks. I know this is very niche, but heavy CPU needs in emulation might be different. Perhaps more similar to Cinebench, but very curious how to cache would improve things.

[@wayland7150]

RPCS3 needs cores. It ran crap on a 4 core E3-1240v2. Ran OK on a RYZEN 5 5600X, much better on 5800X and no CPU problems on a 5900X playing WipeOut. However the bloody thing freezes in game in both the Linux and Windows versions.

[@virtualtools_3021]

It likes AVX512 too

[@andersjjensen]

All advanced emulators (so not talking SNES/Commodore64/MAME) benefit from extra cache. It's basically an in-line instruction substitution pipeline. So endless "if-then-else" statements which are precisely the kind of thing cache helps with.

[@fleurdewin7958]

@@virtualtools_3021 But Intel disabled AVX512 on the current batch of Alder Lake CPU. Only the first production run got that feature, even then, subsequent BIOS updates from manufacturers will disable AVX512 on Intel's demand.

[@warnacokelat]

2017 AMD: MOAR CORES! 2022 AMD: MOAR CACHES!

[@tomhsia4354]

Well, I cannot argue with the results.

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

Actually 2011 AMD pushed Moar cores with bulldozer, they knew the future. Personally I went with thuban at the time and was thoroughly pleased, X3d here I come. :D

[@andersjjensen]

2017 AMD: MOAR CORES! 2019 Intel: MOAR CORES! 2022 Intel: MOAR E-CORES! 2022 AMD: MOAR CACHE! 2023 Intel: MOAR HyperCACHE! Wanna bet?

[@crylune]

@@noanyobiseniss7462 Bulldozer was literally 4 core still, false advertising said "8 cores", and almost killed AMD. Don't even mention that generation again.

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

@@crylune Way to comment months later and yet still not comprehend the point of my post. You are a real winner.

[@sitordan]

Amazing performance for someone already on the AM4 platform.

[@Safetytrousers]

Not for playing at 4k on a 120Hz screen.

[@sitordan]

@@Safetytrousers Meaning it's not for the less than 10% of the people who are able do that.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@sitordan Do 90% of people have a higher than 120Hz screen?

[@sitordan]

@@Safetytrousers I edited it a bit to make it more clear. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@andrewcross5918]

Great video. I will still keep nagging about more factorio style games but I really like that you did both best vs best and equal memory comparisons.

[@twinsen04]

Small correction from Factorio dev: Factorio game update is predominantly single threaded but some parts(belts, fluid, heat pipes, electicity) are multi-threaded or ran in parallel.

[@MenTal9R]

Gotta luv the MSI Intel B660 advertisement at the start of an AMD video 😂 Nice job as always Steve!

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

It's just amazing to me because the bottom number's on the 5800x,5900x,5950x are still fast as hell and most people would love to have that level of CPU power..

[@tonkatoytruck]

Great data. I thought it was well thought out. The only question that lingered as I watched was where the 5600X would have landed in these tests. Thanks for sharing. I have an MSI B450 mortar with an R5 2400G and an X570 TUF Gaming board with a 2700X and RX580 initially. Upgraded the Asus machine with a 5600X and I am chomping at the bit for a graphics card so I can upgrade my AM4 platforms, and one basically for free!!

[@malifestro3319]

Happy to see you include both cost and power in the comparisons. I for one feel around 110 watts at the CPU is plenty because anymore and it becomes incredibly hot. I don't want to be in a room playing a game where a space heater, my computer, is running.

[@tobygroves2112]

Amidst all of these 12900K/S price discussions, why has the 12700K been completely ignored? Whilst it's interesting to compare the 5800X3D to Intel's top CPU, a far more interesting comparison would be with the simiarly priced 12700K, especially paired with the same DDR4 memory.

[@aenimaexists5706]

Thank you!

[@GahloWake]

I'm more interested in a thorough testing against the 12700k, given they're in a closer price point.

[@lowzyyy]

yeah, this does not make any sense 12900k and 5800x, not the same category

[@GahloWake]

@@lowzyyy It does if one is trying to find *the* best gaming CPU, which is what AMD touted this as on announcement. It's just far less useful than a for-cost comparison.

[@wayland7150]

They've shown the cheaper AMD CPU kicks Intel's best offering. However if the 12700k has comparable performance then it may be the better bang for buck. A friend borrowed a RYZEN 3700 R9 FuryX system from me and a 12900K RTX 3090 system from his friend and compared them in R.U.S.T. AMD system 120FPS and the Intel system 140FPS @1080p according to him. Both are impressive for Rust but we were expecting a lot more from the super expensive system.

[@GahloWake]

@@wayland7150 1080p is your issue.

[@wayland7150]

@@GahloWake It's what we had. Usually 1080p shows as bigger CPU differences and smaller GPU differences.

[@tippyc2]

Glad I came across this. I'm going to update my old x370 board to 5000-series, but I've been trying to decide if the 5800x3d is worth it, especially when a 5900x is $30 less right now. I play a lot of automation games like Factorio, Satisfactory, etc., and I don't see a lot of tech tubers covering those in their comparisons, so this really helps.

[@Cooe.]

The ultimate in-socket upgrade lol.

[@tippyc2]

@@Cooe. You know it.

[@StrategyMasterSSF]

I already have an AM4 platform(MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wi-fi). Ryzen 7 5800X3D gave me a good option to upgrade in the future and it guaranteed another few years of life extension for an aging AM4 socket. Its gaming performance is comparable to latest intel offering. IMHO its gaming performance will probably increase with the new bios version game patches and OS patches so that it can efficiently utilize that huge cache.

[@FliskerX]

Amazing work these reviews!

[@JoshMustillo]

Swapped my 5950x for the 5800X3D. Can’t believe how much better the 5800X3D is in games!

[@optimalsettings]

Ok, i believe your words and doing the same. hope i doesn't regret it.

[@miguelriobello7264]

Nicely done! I'd like if you added 720p benchmarks too though.

[@miguelriobello7264]

@@drunkhusband6257 it's a benchmark to compare things while it's not/less bottlenecked by the GPU. That's all.

[@kvahlman]

TBH the more interesting comparison would be to 12700, as they are more in line with price and coolability. Shame it wasn't in there.

[@duckilythelovely3040]

@@n1t21r3 Oh no, the 5800x3d at 1440p and 4k will get...1-4 more fps than me. oh no...Guess it's time to upgrade.

[@kvahlman]

@@n1t21r3 That's not the point though as it's kinda obvious, a comparison is more than just who gets the top score. In this particular case the most interesting point would be about how a DDR5-enabled 12700 would compare, as if the difference is not super large that might be the better *future-looking* setup. AM4 is great and this is it's peak, but it IS a dead end.

[@TRX25EX]

@@n1t21r3 not really 12700K beat 5800X3D in every way except (some) games + it's possible to overclock which 5800X3D can't + it's more efficient 90% of the time than 5800X3D + cheaper..... There's really no comparison, even more future proof if you consider DDRR5

[@rdmz135]

@@TRX25EX 12700K loses in almost every single game. Its NOT as efficient. And it only looks cheaper until you realise Intel motherboards cost more. So basically everything you said is false. If you wanted to give a true strength for the 12700K you should've mentioned productivity, it crushes 5800X3D in that.

[@rdmz135]

@@kvahlman Yes AM4 is a dead end. Thats why this product is intended for existing AM4 users. Anyone wanting to build a complete system should wait a month or two and go Zen 4. Which will be a step above this.

[@rob060]

I just dropped this CPU into a ROG Strix b350-f motherboard and it's working just fine. Upgraded from a 3600x and it's the same mobo I used when I got the first gen 1600x in... 2017?? What a ride

[@Manuel-rl6um]

This makes me very excited for Zen 4, regardless if they use this 3D technology or not. It will probably be faster in games than this 5800X3D while being faster in non-gaming work, and more efficient thanks to the 5nm node process and other improvements. And with Intel competing again, and Apple with the M2 family, I don't think Zen 4 will live as long as Zen 3 and we will see Zen 5 with core count increased and more improvements not long after Zen 4. When DDR5 memory will hopefully be cheaper and chip shortage slowed down.

[@darkhaven9119]

Zen 5 is rumored to have its weaker/efficiency cores be 8 of these 5800x3Ds with the main 8 performance cores being around 30-40 percent faster then zen 4. With zen 4 already being 30-50 percent faster then zen 3 and intel 12th gen I can’t imagine how insane zen 5 will be bro! Imagine having the weaker cores be this powerful with the performance cores being around 50 percent faster😂 that mixed with an Rtx 4080to or 5080, and 64gb ddr5 ram and your pc wont need to upgrade for like 7-10 years.

[@shirkedance]

Even though some performance numbers incline towards Intel 12900ks, AMD looks like a Clear winner 🏆 with extremely lower Power consumptions and delivering equal or greater performance. This reminds me of Intel's 7th , 8th and 9th generation where power consumption vs performance was extremely good. Now AMD CPUs are to steal the crown But yes, DDR5, costly motherboards do have an added advantage.

[@ashrafuddin4641]

You are wrong as like other KZbinrs and AMD users. Intel 12 gen never draw more power when in stock. Specially when in idle it use 4-5 times less power than AMD. Even in heavy workload without overcooking intel use slightly lower power. We generally don't use our pc in heavy workload all time. So at the end of the day AMD chip use more power than intel. I think wise people can understand.

[@shirkedance]

@@ashrafuddin4641 your calculations are correct in practical approach, If a system is mostly Ideal, Intel wins But If a system is Used heavily then AMD wins

[@16valveBravoSpoonz]

@@ashrafuddin4641 did you watch the video where intel was using alot more power in those benchmarks ? gaming wont be like that usage but i can tell you amd uses much less power for near enough the same performance, so im not sure what youre talking about.

[@TheReferrer72]

This year is just too exciting. 3 new GPU architectures, AM5 Zen 4, Falling GPU prices...

[@alexworm1707]

Yeah I'm almost jumping of joy I won't be able to use any of that lmao.

[@hal6yon]

The smoke effect in the B-roll was excellent, loved that particular shot.

[@DefianceGJ]

Always top notch, extremely professional and relevant information on this channel. We all appreciate the very grueling work that goes into doing all these tests for each piece of hardware that comes out, it really doesn’t go unnoticed. Thank you everyone over at Hardware Unboxed! Stay safe and healthy💙

[@kardeon4503]

The fps improvement in far cry 6 is mind blowing

[@riba2233]

It would be even bigger difference if it wasnt cpu limited.

[@warriorxtman2]

I went from a 1700X to a 3700X to a 5800X3D on the same B350 MB.😅

[@damoe210]

Great. Perfect upgrade from an R5 2600 to extend the life of my AM4 system. Firm handshakes to AMD

[@towb0at]

I would really like to see how much this CPU can boost performance on a system with a 2700X / 3700X and a 2080ti / 3070

[@soileH]

I need this thing. Sitting on overclocking Ryzen 7 2700 right now and some of games I play (Stellaris, for example) become really slow in the late game. Great review as always!

[@pyramidschemer4083]

Intel: we have finally taken back the gaming crown AMD: hold my L3 cache

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

12900k still the overall champ and your a person who does both games and work then its still the better cpu .. but for bang for buck for gaming the the 5800x3d is the better option even more so if your already a amd user with a x570 not sure if the b550 or 450s are supported !!

[@bgtubber]

@@volvot6rdesignawd702 B550 and B450 motherboards do support 5800X3D after BIOS update. 🙂

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

@@bgtubber nice.. i wasnt sure obviously the 5000 series needed the bios updates with the x570 b550 and 450 just wasnt sure if the 5800x3d was supported on the older am4 550s and 450s ..that makes it even more a go to cpu for 1080p budget gamers looking to extend the life of their older systems.. i dont want to jinx it but ive got a sneaky feeling these bad boy 5800x3d's are going to be hard to get !!

[@kindaGrim]

This video helped me decide to get a 5900x thanks steve

[@UnityGuy]

After seeing how bad the new low cache Ryzen parts were I have a new respect for cache amount apparently.

[@saricubra2867]

I think one of those processors has 6MB of L3 right? My 9 year old i7-4700MQ has 6MB of L3 lmao.

[@andersjjensen]

@@saricubra2867 That's how it goes. An i7 part that used to be the absolute dogs balls is now comparable with today's value offerings... Just like my first self built PC had as much VRAM as my first prebuilt PC (4MB... time flies...).

[@saricubra2867]

@@andersjjensen The worst part, the 4700MQ is a laptop CPU. But, it makes me proud because when heavily tuned, it can match or beat the i7-2600K at stock at one third of the power consumption lmao.

[@sokool3994]

@@saricubra2867 The Ryzen 3 4100 has an even smaller L3 Cache, only 4MB.

[@saricubra2867]

@@sokool3994 I read FX4100, not Ryzen 3, sorry...

[@jibberjabber6919]

Can you dom some tests in 2K resolution?

[@beemerss]

Wowww AMD really delivered on this one. Wasn't expecting an actual significant uplift over my 5800X, and it would less impactful at 1440p, but now it gives me one potential last upgrade on the AM4 platform before moving on. Cache really is king for gaming

[@solefreak2]

In the same boat.. Have the 5800x but not sure if I should get one of these or wait until Zen 4 is available?? Not sure there will be a massive difference at 1440p/4k

[@snuffsonic23]

your b-roll shots with the smoke are so awesome 😳

[@Nine-Signs]

In terms of an end to a platform where AMD usually throws the kitchen sink at it for very little gains overall (FX9590... nutty) this has to be the best ending to a platforms run I have ever seen and will likely keep many on AM4 for another couple of years. Hell I have an X570 board and a 3070 but could not get chips for reasonable money so I am still on R7 2700X as they were best bang for buck at the time on second user markets, but now I am literally spoilt for choice, and even all those who have older boards have for the most part been given a new lease of life and plentiful options. AMD's power efficiency in its products is demolishing both Nvidia and Intel. And as a person who has seen their energy increase by 54% overnight on April 1st, that will be increasingly important to me and many. We cannot keep increasing our power consumption, not as individuals, nor as a species frankly. I certainly hope this is how they treat AM5. Motherboard changes are a ball ache. I would be happy to sit on my AM4, upgrade to a 5600 next month, then a 58003D in a year, then circa 2025 I will be ready to move to AM5 by which time it will be firmly established, the bugs worked out, and DDR5 less expensive. This is the thing with parts these days, you really don't need to be on the bleeding edge to have high end gaming as even the low end stuffs got some welly to it compared to low end vs high 20 years ago. Take the 10105f for example, piss ant little chip but on single core performance it matches or beats an 2700X, you could slap it in a budget system with a 3050 and its golden. I mean sure if you are running 3 x 30Inch screens at 1440p while streaming then go for your life, but if you like most gamers just want a high a frame rate out of 1080p on a single screen then today it can be done for a hell of a lot less than bleeding edge prices. And on that, I sure as hell wont be buying a new GPU for another 5 years given what this one cost me (I used to every 18 to 24 months, mid to high end). I wonder if the GPU makers understand that as I am sure I wont be along in that. I would have bought a card of each generation before but now I am literally refusing to do so until the 6XXX series Nvidia or 9XXX series AMD launch products. The only thing that would get me to buy a new GPU in the circa 6 years until then would be if I see a second hand bargain of something better than my 3070, or if Intel releases a stupidly good card for a very good price, of which you've more chance of seeing Jesus in a strip club.

[@exorohan3157]

Thanks for including factorio in your benchmarks, good review

[@MrDutch1e]

I don't get why 3800c16 was included for the 5800x3d but not for the 12900k? I'd like to see a follow up with tuned 3800 ddr4 on both platforms and include the 12700k since its actually cheaper than the 5800x3d right now. Gaming only of course. 12th gen scales very well with tuned memory because of the added latency that comes with the ecores.

[@Manuel-rl6um]

Even the i5 12600K would be a very interesting rival of the 5800X3D

[@_godsl4yer_]

You think HWU would tune RAM? lmao. i2Hard, Frame chasers and only one or two more do fully tuned benchmarks. This sort of information is good enough for the average consumer.

[@matdan2]

Seems like you could easily interpolate the results yes? Or are you wanting a favourable setup because you favour that cpu?

[@revdarian]

The 12900k is already using the best ddr5 it can, so what you suggest is actually lowering to a much lower ddr4...

[@ssenyosdaviee1873]

Did you watch the video?

[@thefurmidablecatlucky3]

wtf, how is this 2 years ago already? time flies by so fast

[@mcrazza]

Would have liked to see the 5600x in the mix on account of its higher clock speeds at base and boost compared to the 5800x3d.

[@matdan2]

Nah, time has moved on from that cpu regarding benchmarks etc. You can get a good idea form the other AMD cpus listed

[@versaillessungod-2203]

Got one today for $400 new at Microcenter for bundle but didn’t need board so sell it haha. I can’t wait to try it with my 3080ti on a Dark Hero.

[@martinlim821]

since you cant overclock the 5800x3d? are you able to undervolt it? like enabling PBO2.

[@MLWJ1993]

It's completely locked afaik. The only slight downside to it if you really care about it.

[@AdadG]

Very good question.

[@MLWJ1993]

@Gredsila Jradis You probably could, if the general multipliers for that CPU weren't locked in the BIOS... Only some high-end boards allow a sort of undervolt for the 5800X3D currently.

[@JuztBillz]

I just upgraded to the 5800x3d from the 5600x for 1080p 390hz and the performance uplift was absolutely mind blowing.

[@meteor1522]

but why do you play at such low resolution? e-sport? for 1440p it’s only 5-10 extra frames over 5600x costing over twice!

[@alen2937]

@@meteor1522 high refresh gaming is no joke.

[@blakedmc1989RaveHD]

@@meteor1522 any resolution higher than 1080p is a scam because higher tha res passed 1080p, tha faster u have to upgrade! yea no thanks, i'd rather try to get at least 7- maybe 9 years out of it

[@juzujuzu4555]

Steve, could you manually optimize all the timings with 5800X3D with 3800mhz memory and do a little follow up video? It would be interesting to know if manually tuning memory helps with Vcache CPU as much as it does with normal Zen 2 and Zen 3. Especially I was surprised that Zen 3 actually got more benefits from memory tuning than Zen 2, even though I was sure having 8 core CCX with double the effective cache would make Zen 3 benefit less. So I'm really interested about memory tuning with Vcache.

[@sadcat520]

SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH! I no longer care about gaming but it's so cool that today's gamers can enjoy what we used to dream of

[@maamiimii]

This is basically a preview of how much Zen 4 will have huge gains due to 3D V-Cache. I would be very scared if I were Intel right now lol

[@MLWJ1993]

Not too sure about that. AMD has proven it can be done, Intel should be more than capable of doing the same thing. The only question is when they'll find their own way of improving performance massively without just clocking things into diminishing returns territory!

[@andersjjensen]

@@MLWJ1993 AMD has been tinkering with this since Zen 2. The Ryzen 3000 chips has the connecting pads for V-Cache, but they never got the yields at the assembly stage acceptable. I doubt Intel can "just go ahead and do it" considering that AMD had the prototype working pre-Zen 2 release, but isn't shipping in volume until now... As for the base performance of Zen 4: TSMC N5 is a 84% density increase over N7. That's *massive* when you consider that normally a 70% density increase is considered a good node with 75% being stellar. So AMD has a sizeable transistor budget to play with.

[@MLWJ1993]

@@andersjjensen Where did I say they will "just go ahead & do it"? I never said that. I said that it's a matter of time (no matter how long) before Intel will find a way to do something similar (since they'll pretty much have to)...

[@Atraps003]

Thanks for the factorio benchmark. Very interesting.

[@furudoerika6977]

What's the recommended air cooler for the X3D, its blazing hot?

[@wayland7150]

No it's cooler than the 5800X which I am running successfully with the AMD Stealth cooler from a RYZEN 3.

[@MLWJ1993]

You should probably be looking at a dual fan tower cooler if you're going to do all core workloads. If not, even a single fan tower cooler rated for slightly above 128TDP should be okay (since you'd rarely max out the CPU that way).

thumbs up for default settings for testing.

[@sambaoleck295]

Amazing performance, that was clever from AMD. The future look promising for team red! 👏

[@mrktim]

Loved the smoke shots! ❤️

[@glamdring0007]

Amazing performance for a platform approaching EOL. I am somewhat sad AMD didn't provide a 5600X3D option which would have allowed a lower price point for budget gamers like myself.

[@jeffreypaul9428]

Just a great sendoff for AM4. Your final upgrade path on AM4 is a $450 CPU that hangs with the 12900k. Amazing!

[@rtmclean484]

I wanted a 5600X3D as well but I realise it's never happening because where would it fit in the stack? a 5600X3D would obsolete the 5700x, the 5800x and the orginal 5600x too.

[@Henry14arsenal2007]

Need UHD/4K comparisons.

[@paalosordoni7932]

Great review, i know 1080p is more of a true CPU test but it would be interesting to see how 5800X3D performs at 1440p which i think most people who buy this CPU would be playing at .

[@andersjjensen]

At 1440p he would have to turn every setting down to potato to not run into a hard GPU bottleneck where every quasi resent CPU start performing the same. This CPU is for e-sports junkies. The type of people who lowers settings until they *never* see GPU utilization above 90%

[@longjohn526]

I'm still skeptical that the 5800X3D will actually perform better than the 5800X in my games @ 1440p with a 3070 Ti with the settings cranked as high as possible and still maintain 60+ FPS performance. I saw the 5800X on sale on Amazon a couple of days ago at $325 (Today back up to $340) and I kind of doubt in my scenario I'll see any gains much less enough to justify a $125 price difference. Plus I'll take a significant hit in Productivity which is why I passed on the 5600X and kept my 3700X which did as well in games but better in Productivity. I'm also still hoping the 5800X will drop to around $300 in June which will really make it a good value for me and still squeeze a couple of years use before I upgrade to AM5 and DDR5. I'd really like to see some tests in what I consider a more real world setting (Not nerfing the graphics so only the CPU stands out) with a more average GPU and not something that costs 2 grand

[@Immebehindyou999]

intel got beat in games by amd ... with: - 1ghz frequency deficit... - 1 year+ old architecture... - on a half decade old platform - using decade old ram standard

[@richard-davies]

And still using half the power, while running cooler and being much cheaper 😄

[@ij6708]

My X570 Asus TUF is tickled pink for the shoutout and recognition Steve, it just wanted to let you know you've made its day

[@JGaffney9000]

An 18.5% gain over the 5800x despite having slightly lower clocks is very exciting if the 3D cache will be added to any Zen 4 chips. An eight core Zen 4 chip with DDR5, 3D cache, an IPC gain, and slightly higher clocks could be 40-60% faster than the 5800x in gaming. Don't quote that as gospel, just a very vague guess. Also it's interesting to see that the 12900k and 5800X3D are being bottlenecked by a 3090Ti in a few games. I think the current gen CPU/GPU's are going to fall sharply down the charts when Zen 4/Raptor Lake/RDNA 3/Lovelace come out.

[@mitlanderson]

AMD also showed a Zen 4 CPU at CES going 5ghz all-core so I expect a big jimp.

[@GrumpyGrndad]

Now if only i was interrested in 1080p gaming anymore, or basicly almost anyone :) I would argue that most people with this generation hardware (gpu, cpu etc etc) has moved on to 1440p or higher at this point. Where the differences using this cpu has very little or no difference when comparing to other this gen cpu's (be that intel or amd). This should have been made clearer in the video in my humble opinion (by doing 1440p comparison too for example).

[@Weirdanimator]

I'm looking forward to your 30 game benchmark! I've been wanting to upgrade my 2600 to a 5700 (since the launch of zen3) but the kind of insane gains the 3D V-Cache is enabling might convince me to splash out. It's already convinced me to wait this long lol.

[@peterjansen4826]

2:00 The best benchmark from Hardware Unboxed which I have seen. That is informative, showing that cache matters more for that game than CPU-clock frequency. That is strongly game-dependend though.

[@Kizarat]

Imagine what AMD will bring with AM5 and Ryzen 7000, especially the APUs!

[@amika8828]

apu in amd cpus reducing cpu power.

[@dam8976]

@@amika8828 all ryzen 7000 will have rdna2 igpu a good one not a shit one like Intel

[@amika8828]

@@dam8976 and reduced CPU power or high prices as fck, that will anyway lead to buying Intel.

[@MonsterSound.Bradley]

I'm glad you kept your focus on value as some other sites have been focused on the "It's Not the Fastest because of the 1200KS".

[@Nick-ov8ed]

We need also 1440p Benchmarks pls. I know it depens more on grafics but even though.

[@peterschattmann8298]

Hmmm.....this looks like my 3700x (x570/3200 CL14) upgrade path. Now if only I could afford to upgrade from my Vega 64.... Also, A couple of 1440p & 4K tests would be revealing as higher resolutions may not have such an impact.

[@MyrKnof]

My next question is, how does the different drivers (amd, nv) react to the extra cache? Does Radeon gain more or less than nv? Is there even a difference?

[@johndoh5182]

Could you please show both 1080p and 2K gaming results when you do your larger game testing? At this point CPUs and GPUs are really starting to show high quality gaming at 2K.

[@arpihf]

It's very interesting how the 5800X3D is running 4C Cooler than the original 5800X. What happened to those "oh but the massive cache will add so much heat! oh no this is so bad!" now? Ooooops!

[@redrock425]

Lower clocks offsetting it is my guess.

[@rdmz135]

It was never a thermal issue. Its a voltage issue.

[@arpihf]

@@rdmz135 Where is that "voltage issue"? Elaborate.

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

@@arpihf 5800X3D only runs a maximum of 1.35Volts

[@arpihf]

@@SweatyFeetGirl Yes, it is voltage limited. I'm waiting to hear why some people think that's an "issue". Since OCing the CPU clock speed gives very little performance increase in games (sometimes even 0), most of the performance gain is by using better RAM and tweaking RAM timings. Does the lower CPU voltage make it unable to change the RAM timings?

[@silverwatchdog]

It's pretty funny how my 5900x went from fastest at gaming (tied to 5950x) to one of the slowest on the graph, despite the actual architecture of the 5800x3d being the same and it being a lower tier CPU, and of course intel pulling a surprise move here. Doesn't really matter though since I play on 4k and that resolution is always GPU bottlenecked. CPU was 50% at the max during gaming and that was horizon zero dawn running at max settings on a RTX 3080. I think your fps needs to be at least 144 for 4k to even start being CPU bottlenecked, and that rarely happens. CSGO and Minecraft (without shaders) were the only 2 games that I have played that are CPU bottlenecked, but I don't really count those because their graphics are very minimalistic. I mainly bought the 5900x for its productivity speed, fully knowing for gaming a 5600x probably would've been fine

[@EmblemParade]

Correction: it's specifically a gift to 1080p high-refresh-rate-monitor gamers (and all those hardcore Factorio players out there). Many, if not most gamers should not waste their money on such high-end CPUs. Still, super impressive.

[@Cooe.]

🤦 If they don't want to have to replace their CPU whenever they get their next major GPU upgrade, then yes they should get such a high end gaming CPU if they can afford to and are properly serious about PC gaming. Stop thinking with absurd "only the present exists and will EVER exist" tunnel vision. It's called having spare performance headroom for the future, and people who aren't complete and utter idiots try to make sure their build has at least a decent amount of it.

[@fransarj]

Would be nice to see 1440p and 4k benchmarks as well