Ryzen 9 5900XT Review: AMD Says Better For Gaming Than Core i7-13700K

[@SagittariusAx]

They need to fire their marketing department..

[@MiGujack3]

Thanks, Steve.

[@unionofslavstanrepublics2317]

Back to you, Steve.

[@404namemissing6]

The marketing department is doing their job wonderfully in AMD’s eyes.

[@herbertwalter8693]

Intel is their marketing department

[@mircomputers]

that's what most companies should do imho

[@SlyNine]

You should have just dropped some images and said I told you so. But I let the video play through since you did all the work.

[@ryanw.9828]

With maybe a small screen of Steve's face with reactions.

[@baronvonschnellenstein2811]

Well, the first benchmark result for the 5950XT came with an unspoken "told ya' so!" -> "Surprisingly, [/s] the 5950XT was about 2% slower than the 5950X" 🤣 - The rest of the video just hammered those "told ya' so" nails in.

[@bullymaguire2889]

These companies need to be sued for false advertising

[@Gazer75]

No idea what the laws are in their country, but here this would land them in trouble. The consumer protection authority would tell them to fix the chart or fine them based on their income or value.

[@mycosys]

add a big asterisk to point out its bottlenecked by an AMD GPU and its legal, just dodgy AF.

[@bastordd]

You can't sue them because they explain how they did the test... But they never show that l.

[@Decenium]

100% this, our governments dont have enough spine.

[@akiesa559]

Intel would be ruined

[@CanIHasThisName]

The fact that people were mad you tested with the 5950X and this turns out to be even slower is the most hilarious outcome.

[@fateunleashed9680]

They're telling on themselves without knowing that their frontal lobe isn't functioning correctly, and would rather drink the Kool-aid.

[@jqwright28]

They do this every time AMD shows some slides of manipulation they call benchmarks. It's like people can't learn from their mistakes.

[@feisaljauharitufail]

​​@@jqwright28If I don't do the research, I might be the fool people.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Were are those 🤔

[@Eleganttf2]

the most loudest minority on tech forums is as always AMD because of their "underdog" status and their supporter that has the mentality of "oh i must support the underdog just because its less evil than the other company"

[@arclyte1859]

It’s amazing that even with AMD having a competitive advantage over Intel with pricing vs. performance vs. power consumption, they still feel the need to throw out badly cherry picked stats.

[@fintux]

Yea, this does make zero sense from AMD. They have great product while Intel is basically a disaster at the moment. They should really use honest marketing and leave the BS marketing for Intel.

[@kkrolik2106]

@-firefly7931 i5 12600 is very good budget option but R5 7500F exist ;)

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Business

[@mastroitek]

This comment is just perfect

[@joshuapicarello]

They must've had overflow stock of slower 5950Xs. So to sell off remaining stock, they rebranded them as binned parts to increase probability of sales.

[@nannnanaa]

AM4 is not over until we get the 5800X3DXTX

[@KiiLzReaPz]

AM4 just doesn't wanna die

[@TJunChuan]

You won't let me die, you won't let me live

[@Denbot.Gaming]

or a 5950x3d

[@-mrws-]

​@@Denbot.Gaming yeah, definitely *5900X3D / 5950X3D* were valid prototypes actually...

[@MisterKyle93]

we need the ryzen 9 5950x3d and a ryzen 5 5600x3d

[@beachslap7359]

Such an odd decision to mar the "consumer friendly" reputation they've been building over the years just to make a few bucks on uninformed customers.

[@zxbc1]

But that's not the fact. AMD may be slightly less anti-consumer but they've always been the same company. Their marketing has been stellar in shaping a narrative around their brand in the last decade, but reality is that they're not much different from other big corporations that focus on the quarterly profit. They literally pulled the same shit during the Ryzen 3000 series, and people gave them a pass on it. This is what happens when you develop "brand loyalty". No one should be loyal to any brand, these companies are always against the interest of buyers, you have to keep them in check.

[@mycosys]

LLCs have to maximise shareholder profit, by law. Theyre not your friends.

[@syncmonism]

It was in a presentation which very few people who are actually looking to buy a PC but who aren't very well informed would ever actually see, so it's not nearly as bad as you make it sound. It's horrible marketing, and should be called out, but this isn't actually a major issue here because it's not like it's this big message that they've invested a significant amount of money into, and I honestly doubt that even ONE person will chose a 5900XT over a 13700K for gaming because of that stupid slide. In fact, this is probably hurting AMD more than it's helping them. They need to invest more into marketing and PR. They don't really gain anything by bending the truth like this.

[@HanSolo__]

​@@zxbc1 Never heard about AMD having a marketing strategy. Let alone the one with a shaped narrative. Also, I have no idea what "brand loyalty" is. It's not a professional business term, or am I missing something?

[@mycosys]

@@HanSolo__ Oh sweet summer child. Look up AMD Athlon P-ratings. Just one of the examples over the decades.

[@Destroyer954]

on the other hand, if your 13700k is dead, AMD is infinitely faster /s

[@mohammadchowdhury3509]

comparing with intel 13th gen is stupid where intel cpu has 50% failure rate.

[@hermiandroid3672]

It's an Intel self-made pandemic 😂 Just sell waste of sand 13-14 Gen as fast as possible and buy a used 12 Gen or you get a dead CPU very soon 🤯💥

[@anthonynehoda2064]

@@theoppositeopinion9290 for now

[@rustler08]

@@theoppositeopinion9290 Glad yours is working well, but I really hope you understand the insignificance of your anecdotal evidence.

[@johntotten4872]

@@rustler08 I also have the 13700k. Bought new on release day. No issues so far. You will notice the tech media love to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[@samserious1337]

People should get fired for this, AMD has no need for that, who in the right mind had thought "lets compare it to a 13700k with an RX 6600 and see if its better"

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

It is a way of showing someone a faster cpu doesn't mean crap to the RX 6600

[@zodwraith5745]

@@kravenfoxbodies2479 It's also a way of straight up lying to your customer.

[@PatJamesRicketts]

I am running a 5900X with a custom loop and have been hitting 5150MHz comfortably with a max temp of around 62C, with PBO-On/CO-Off, 200PPT/180TDC/180EDC. I will probably stick with it for more than a decade, something on AM5 will probably be the next upgrade, but luckily my Heatkiller IV waterblock will be compatible. Got nearly 8 years out of my last build before upgrading, aiming for the same with this setup.

[@MarioCRO]

Callout justified where callout is due. Even though expected, there was no way 5900XT was outperforming the 13700K in terms of gaming. In power draw and heat output yes, but FPS, no way.

[@michaelfalabella6296]

there is no such thing as a 5900xt

[@Thelango99]

@@michaelfalabella6296 Did you even watch the video?

[@angelaizen2231]

Will definitely outperform in product lifespan as well

[@ranjitmandal1612]

💗

[@michaelfalabella6296]

@@Thelango99 lol yes and I posted a bunch of comments...so there is a 5900xt haha but that doesn't explain this video

[@irishgiant5150]

You didn't dig into it, but AMD has trained consumers to interpret the XT suffix as more performance, not a bargain version. I had to triple check the specs, as I was expecting the usual small clock bump XT normally implies.

[@kaydub9565]

Well they added 33% more cores to the 5900X. That's what the XT gets you. But I know what you mean, it felt weird to have it have lower clocks than the 5950X just because of the XT even though it doesn't have the 50 in it.

[@tyoung319]

@@kaydub9565 Changing the name isn't adding cores, maybe you could say that if it came in at the old 5900X price but it doesn't.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

That would make it a 5950XT if they took the same SKU and pushed it farther. Because it falls in between a 5900X & 5950X in performance, it only makes sense it continues off the 5900 nomenclature.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

Costs €10 more than 5950X here 😂

[@mansnothot9619]

Same lmao

[@WereCatStudio]

45eur more than 5950X for the cheapest 5900XT (375eur) vs cheapest 5950X (330eur) I could find... :D

[@ArtisChronicles]

​@h0stile420 That's crazy. It would make more sense for you to get the 5800x3D

[@greebj]

What about vs the cost of a second hand 5950xt

[@astronemir]

Might grab a used 5950xt did not realize how cheap they had gotten 😮😮😮. Change my AM4 platform to a strong server

[@Decenium]

the powerconsumption of AMD vs Intel is just beyond insanity

[@goranorsolic1000]

So is between amd and nvidia yet nobody seems to care there

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🔥

[@coffee7180]

it's not that big between amd and nvidia, 7800x3d vs 14700k just makes it clear that intel needs 3 times more power than amd for less performance in games..

[@A.Froster]

​@@goranorsolic1000it's not that big between Nvidia and AMD , Intel is literally juicing double or more on the other hand

[@elysian3623]

@@goranorsolic1000 Because GPU are direct die cooled and as long as neither is over heating or noisy enough to wake the neighbours it's fine, also it can flipflop heavily depending on chip node and ram config, cost to performance is the big thing with a GPU as the reality is if you can score a 6950xt for less than $400 you take it,

[@GGBeyond]

If they were just trying to sell some unsold chips, they should have done this at a much lower price. I'm still running a 3900X. If the 5900XT was around $200, I would have gladly bought it. Better yet, how about a 5950X3D?

[@coffee7180]

stop, 200 bucks that's just crazy. we are still talking about a 16 core 32 thread monster of a cpu here.

[@clxaj6112]

dual ccd issue would occur with the 5950X3D

[@RotaryJunkie]

@@clxaj6112 Not if they gave it the proper treatment, but if they did that it'd step on the 7950X3D that doesn't get it either, and due to chiplets being chiplets, those that would play nice in a twin CCD configuration go to enterprise.

[@rustler08]

Translation: "I'm a delusional cheap-ass"

[@Krazie-Ivan]

i think everyone callin out the OP's ideal price point in unfavorable verbiage, may be forgettin this CPU is about to be 3 generations & 4yrs old. once 9xxx series is widely avail (esp if the lower price point rumors prove true)... the 7xxx will drop to reflect the performance margin, which will absolutely have immediate effect on 5xxx pricing. i'd fully expect 5950X (which was $308 just a couple weeks ago on Amazon), to drop by $100 within a month or two. sub $200 for this chip for holiday sales are easily possible, as AMD def has the margin on these by now.

[@deviousnate7238]

There were not enough mentions of the 5800x3d in this video. Sure it was there in the slides, but I need to hear it spoken aloud to be fully satisfied!

[@androidx99]

He said it verbally in the 1st 30 seconds lol, I like it though

[@KiltedCritic]

Checked one of my selection of retailers for parts (Scan UK in this case) and the 5950X is £10 cheaper than the 5900XT, and 5800XT is £50 more expensive than the 5700X3D. Well done AMD.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

Why would anyone buy any 5000 series CPU other then the awesome 5700 X3D. It's the definition of an affordable straightforward awesome upgrade for any existing Ryzen 2-3 user. And honestly for people buying an new PC. I'd rather buy into the AM5 platform.

[@woobilicious.]

@@barneyklingenberg4078 I got a 5900X because I'm a coder and it's a lot faster than even the 5800X3D on compute workloads, I'm also gambling that 12 cores will be more future proof than some extra L3 cache.

[@czbrat]

And this launched for more the current going price of 5950X in India making it DOA. I would have purchased one if it had launched at the current 5900X's price or close to it.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

😨

[@iseeu-fp9po]

Good to have good reviewers to look out for this kind of stuff.

[@chemie7037]

I assumed a 5900XT would be 12 cores since, you know, 5900 and 5900x are?

[@Argoon1981]

Indeed the CPU market is filled with misleading marketing and confusing naming from both companies.

[@theminec]

It said in their marketing It was a 16 core chip. This is the same marketing though that said it would beat a 13700K.

[@Kurisu-SanYT]

Well on most websites the 5900xt is listed as 16 cores. Even when shopping. So anyone capable of reading will be able to tell it has 16 cores.

[@fajaradi1223]

My dyslexic brain read it as Ryzen 9500XT. 😢

[@ITSthatMEXICANO]

Ryzen 4070?

[@fajaradi1223]

@@ITSthatMEXICANO Do me a favur, gerara here! Gerara here man!

[@elderman64]

Rtx i5900 Super XT

[@mars_12345]

@@elderman64 you forgot the AI!

[@elderman64]

@@mars_12345 Than new amd cpu naming scheme makes me want to put a tnt box inside me and explode that (in Minecraft ofc)

[@atariplayer3686]

Thank you for making me feel good about having a 5900X CPU!

[@DKTD23]

Still a good cpu for sure

[@saricubra2867]

THE best CPU of 2020.

[@alankuo2727]

why are they naming it the same as the gpus

[@Gripen90]

Where have you been for the last 7 years?. Since the 1st generation of Zen there have been XT models.

[@BoxdHound]

​@@Gripen90I watch literally every HWUB video and somehow didn't catch that AMD had done that. Highly confusing.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

​@@BoxdHoundLaptop & APU had XT since 1XXX But HUB doesn't do those bad CPU's.

[@exscape]

@@Gripen90 Not true, there were no 1700XT, 1800XT or similar. The 3000 series (Zen 2) had them.

[@monkeywheel5522]

Ryzen 4070

[@mrm7058]

"There is no hope" Well, maybe AMD hopes for a real significant performance loss for the 13700k once all the Bios and microcode updates are out. (But I don't think Raptor Lake will lose 20% or more, tho)

[@MasterBen117]

i hope no with my 13700K :D

[@Solrac-Siul]

in gaming there will not be any relevant performance drop . When they advised to limit the pl2 and iccmax, the loss of performance at 1080 was within margin of error when paired with a 4090, and even then it depended on the game, and the same will happen with the new microcode. cinebench and similar benchmark may notice some performance drop but games, not so much. And in the comparison the 13700k was using ddr5 7200, when for 10-15 more usd one can get 7600 ddr5 on amazon, and that would have open the gap even more in favor of the intel cpu. in all honesty I could not even understand how (Certain) people believed in the numbers provided by amd... I mean if the 5800x3d that has 3d cache is not able to reach the 13700, how would the 5900xt?

[@woobilicious.]

if 20% of your chips in your server farm fail, then I guess you could say it's a 20% performance decrease lol.

[@razorblade7108]

Even with microcode updates the CPUs will fail unless they significantly drop all voltages and frequencies of Raptor Lake i7 and i9 CPUs.

[@zor8952]

Looking forward to seeing the 5800XT3D!

[@heyiceman]

True since the Intel is just going to kill itself

[@garwynrosser8907]

So the 5900xt beats the 13700k simply on the merits that it works at all.

[@brugj03]

That`s right, they can`t loose because there is no competion.

[@brianfullilove3931]

😂

[@RuiN4265]

If only i7's were being affected by intels problems... this might have been funny

[@silverplayer7502]

​@RuiN4265 but they are no? I saw an admin post on intel forums that even the 13600k/14600k (even kf) are affected

[@MacGuyver85]

@@RuiN4265 They are...

[@XethmondeusWave]

Wait what? I thought 5900XT = 5900X. Uuuuhhgghh the naming...

[@mircomputers]

in gaming the new one is a tiny bit faster as it boost a tiny bit higher, and having more core in a single ccd, reaching 5950x level

[@injurera]

Boring CPU. Should be named 5950 non X and sold for at least 50$ less to make any sense.

[@EkiToji]

AMD definitely needs to fire their marketing team. Especially with what's going on with Intel there's doubly no reason to straight up lie.

[@mrcnorth7149]

When marketing or sales is in charge, this is what happens, silliness

[@APU-iGPU]

Thank you for the tests Steve 🤟

[@nasko235679]

What actually shocked me about these charts is how much faster the 12900k is than my 5950x. I always thought there was a 3-5% difference in gaming. Seems to be much bigger.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I think the 7600x (not shown) was the cpu that give you 12900k gaming performance.

[@saricubra2867]

Is not shocking, the IPC of Alder Lake is higher than Zen 3.

[@andersjjensen]

Zen 3 mopped the floor with 10th and 11th gen (both 14nm products). 12th gen was on a new node (originally called 10nm but now renamed to "Intel 7" so match TSMCs N7 nomenclature) so naturally it exceeded Zen 3. If it hadn't Intel would have been a smoking hole in the ground by now. That said: Most people cant afford a GPU large enough to actually warrant upgrading from Zen 3, let alone Zen 3 X3D.

[@zodwraith5745]

A lot of people missed this because they were still high on X3D hype. Ironic when you see the 13 game average where the $400 12700k edged out that $450 5800X3D in gaming, and annihilates it in production, while only being half a year apart. Even worse when today that 5800X3D is _still_ $350 and the 12700k can be had for $200. That's literally a big enough difference to straight up buy a new motherboard to get the superior production of the i7. Not to mention be able to sell your AM4 board to save even more. X3D is an amazing technology, but AMD's pricing ruins it. Especially when it falls flat on it's face in production vs similarly priced competition from both Intel _and_ AMD's own non-X3D chips.

[@saricubra2867]

@@zodwraith5745 12700K matches a 7800X3D for PS3 emulation. On 3D Mark, the 5800X3D is godawful and the clockspeed is a jittery mess. The 7800X3D isn't that far apart but considering how singlethreaded games are, it won't age as badly.

[@anonymouscommentator]

i know this channel mostly revolves around gaming but i just wanted to say that i appreciate the multi core performance a lot for productivity workloads. unfortunately i hardly come around to playing games anymore so that is secondary to me. more competition cant hurt and i think the am4 16 cores are so cheap now that i will probably get one (used though).

[@EmopunkDr]

Now.. If the old ones would drop in price.. That could be a good thing.

[@SAFFY7411]

0:28 seconds in to the video and he's smashed it out of the park!

[@izidor]

Well we all know this is not a "brand new" CPU its just a relabled one. So AMD didnt lose cash for miss engineering. They just try to milk as much as possible from the consumer.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

5950X ;)

[@MegaPepsimax]

Or trying to squeeze out every slither of silicon that they purchased

[@Hugh_I]

in this case, i'd describe it as: milk their silicon as much as possible. Those are just 5950Xes with all working cores, that just where not quite hitting it with efficiency or boost clocks to make it to a 5950X, so they made a lower SKU and slightly cheaper. (Though I think calling it 5950 (non-X) would be clearer.) Other than the terrible marketing slide, the part and its price is ok for what it is, not a rip off, not a steal, just another option for AM4 owners that doesn't change anything meaningful from what options there were before.

[@nipa5961]

Nothing wrong in selling perfectly good chips. Intel even sells millions of not working chips...

[@ranjitmandal1612]

🐄🥛

[@JonathanBradysouth-africa]

Watching this as I own two systems Work rig for video editing -> 13700K which has started failing spectacularly when trying to render/export Home Rig for entertainment --> 5950x which hasn't given me any issues. Getting ready to add my name to the class action lawsuit against Intel.

[@MORGUEZHR]

We've got scAMD and IN(stability)TEL right here performing a clown to clown communication.

[@EffectualPoet]

Don't hurt yourself by trying too hard.

[@YTsupportsZionaziGenocide]

if they has made these slightly faster x3d chips that would have been a better use of silcon., i can't imagine the non-x3d versions of zen3 are selling that well compared to zen4, especially with zen5 just days away, with the zen5 x3d parts expected out 3-6 months from now.

[@manofyeo]

Meanwhile I got a 5700x3d and 32GB of Corsair Ram for $180 from Newegg brand new...

[@marcelmathes]

Oh boy, can't wait!

[@vote4humour]

Any particular reason why AMD PHENOM II X4 965 is not included in the charts?

[@1654045]

too old for this shit

[@danieltoth9742]

Any particular reason why it _should_ be included?

[@jeffb.6642]

because it's like 14 years old and nobody this side of Saudi Arabia uses it?

[@andersjjensen]

@@jeffb.6642 I have a down clocked Phenom x6 1100T Black Edition in my NAS :P

[@tek_lynx4225]

@@jeffb.6642 you'd be surprised how many people are still using phenoms and first or second gen i-series intel machines.

[@Bruhtastic_sarP]

>TFW in Indonesia the 5950x still sold at almost msrp ($468 to $535) while 5900xt priced at $400 So yeah, it's for one of those markets when they didnt dropped the price for some old flagship products

[@Cadambank]

Why there is no entry level cpu in AM5 platform? A quad core valued at 80 to 100 dollars would make a lot of people start shifting to AM5 platform.

[@CallMeTonyga]

guessing don't wanna compete last gen/used market

[@mycosys]

because they wanna be able to sell their old process - more manufacturing capacity for less cost.

[@herbertwalter8693]

here in Europe we are enjoying a 145€ 7500f

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

Because the production costs would be the same of their current parts Or they need a lot of upfront cost making smaller chiplets.

[@johntotten4872]

IIRC AMD said if you want an entry level Cpu buy into AM4. Otherwise buy the 7600x on AM5.

[@C17H23NO2]

I'm a big fan of AMD since they started with Ryzen. They delivered great stuff, and i am impressed and love the fact how long they keep AM4 alive, kicking, and actually competitive for gaming with the x3D processor. Great great stuff they did there. But I really question that move. That CPU doesn't really makes sense to me. It's good, but there is no need for it in my opinion. Nothing bad, but I won't ever buy or would recommend to do so unless the price is going down "significantly". I am still on a 5600x and this thing is kicking. Sooner or later I will go for the 5700x3D as a meaningful upgrade unless I can save enough and it makes sense to go for AM5.

[@JADC1111]

Did you also test the 13700k with DDR4 ram?

[@andersjjensen]

He showed both DDR4 and DDR5 in the first break-down graph, but all subsequent comparison was DDR5.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

It doesnt matter cuz its basically the same thing as 5950x

[@noobgamer4709]

Need the baseline power profile which AMD used. Not good from AMD but not great either from HUB with current issue and upcoming microcode update will lower perf even more

[@spacechannelfiver]

I got a 3900XT back at the start of the sniffle period, everything else was unobtanium at a reasonable price and it was fine enough. Company was barely managing to ship out laptops at the time; and I do software dev so managed to expense it. We took about 6-9 months to fully sort out IT requirements for remote work.

[@faranocks]

Well... They aren't wrong if the 13700k doesn't work due to oxidation issues.

[@savagej4y241]

But then AMD didn't need to go through this whole rigmarole, just say "its basically a 5950X with one CCD and won't die on you like Intel 13th and 14th gen with 16+ cores" and mic drop lol

[@Denbot.Gaming]

its not hard to be better, its just got to last longer than 2 months without degrading.... 10:22 What GPU and Ram are you testing with, just I'm getting higher then 100 FPS than that with me 5950x paired with a 7900xtx and 64gb DDR4 at 3600MTs cl16, running in duel rank config. and I'm running 3660x1440p resolution

[@phil.s.3362]

The worst thing about all this is that stuff like the "AM5 until 2027+" could literally mean they launch a "9800XT" in 2028, 4 years from now while ZEN6 already uses AM6 in 2026. I doubt they will be doing it like that but it is a possibility

[@Maximum_Nova]

I appreciate that you guys test these weird CPUs that enthusiasts will (or should) be able to figure out without testing, at some point down the road someone is gonna see a second hand PC for sale with these CPUs in them and they'll try to find data on them, and videos like this will be a blessing

[@BinggomanLive]

Man, 5800X3D is so mighty. I never regret purchasing it.

[@lightest2385]

I’m on the 5700x3D paired with the 4080S just upgraded from an r3600+2060 S and my computer max’s out everything I throw at it while both gpu and cpu staying under 60c these X3D chips are something else! And that on a 4K widescreen

[@EffectualPoet]

Ha, you got ripped off.

[@lightest2385]

@@EffectualPoet what makes you say that

[@andersjjensen]

@@EffectualPoet The benchmarks says differently. The only reason I'm not still on AM4 is because the 5950X3D never became a thing. I need cores for software development, but for people who solely game the 5800X3D absolutely killed the 12900k in terms of value. That Intel insist on cutting down the cache too on the i7s but them in this situation.

[@admiralmyxtar3702]

Just why, for the love of God, they named a 16-core processor 5900XT, making it sound like it's a 12-core CPU with a few hundred MHz clock bump?

[@themidnightspark9431]

So is AM4 finally "dead"? No more surprise releases?

[@Karti200]

AMD is dead since release of 5000 series - those "filll up" cpus from last 1-1.5 years on AM4 are nothing but just a filled... just so AMD can be like "LOOK WE ARE RELEASING NEW CPUS ON PREVIOUIS PLATFORM" while all they do, is just release SAME cpu but with 100mhz lower or higher clocks THE only "WoW" factor for AM4 now, would be something like Ryzen 3 5300X or maybe even Ryzen 3 5300X3D nothing else

[@chillazar]

I can totally see them release new AM4 CPUs for the chinese market

[@SlowHardware]

Surprise 5950X3D 😂

[@Trisstan20]

@@Karti200 i kinda LOVE that i could get my filler 5700x3D for just 200 bucks, thank you very much!

[@一貫性がない]

AM4 has been ”dead” since the 5800X3D released.. All releases after that have been just lower binned / lower clocked versions..

[@thestrykernet]

I still don't really see why they didn't name this part the 5950 since there was never a non-X version. Appreciate the time spent to take this look even though it ended up being exactly as expected.

[@tvgerbil1984]

Just run the benchmarks 24/7 for a month and most of the Intel Raptor Lake CPU >65W will start crashing eventually, leaving the AMD CPUs as the only viable options. So AMD does win in the benchmarks, if you run them long enough.

[@XykcTepa]

Thanks Steve! 😃✔

[@Gadtkaz]

I'm not even going to talk about that waste of sand. Instead I'll mention how cool it was that lego used pink frog pieces to give that cherry blossom set a bit more detail.

[@zilverman7820]

Well, this are bad binned cpu so they sell it for a garbage price.

[@mycosys]

@@zilverman7820 7 USD off?

[@Hugh_I]

It's not waste of sand. Its basically recycled sand that would've been waste otherwise. Perfectly working 5950X like CPU that doesn't quite hit the efficiency/boost clock specs, so it gets a (silly) different name. It's a perfectly fine CPU for what it is. If you're on AM4, it may be an ok option to max out MT perf on your old Mobo - though you basically have the same options as before with the 5950X.

[@mycosys]

@@Hugh_I unlikely to have been waste, more likely to have the worst couple of cores fused off to become a 5900

[@nipa5961]

Only throwing perfectly working chips away would be a waste of sand.

[@anasatmeh]

You should compare only using the DDR4, the first part was showing all memory types, the second comparison was only showing DDR5 with exception of the AMD 5900XT in DDR4 Although, great work as always

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

I still use the regular 5900X. Still performs fine to this day. I'm gonna hold a few more years until i upgrade.

[@meliotablet]

Hey Steve, any chance you can do a am5 motherboard startup speed comparison video? MCR on/off maybe? You got all those mobo models, who else but you can do this video? Thanks!

[@leoutriainen]

That'd actually be interesting to see. I have MCR enabled for quicker boots but I get the occasional weird behavior like my second monitor taking an extra couple seconds to turn on for example.

[@jGRite]

4:16 *Unmaskes 5900xt* I knew it was you 5950.

[@herbertwalter8693]

one look at the spec sheet

[@cccpredarmy]

*always_has_been_meme.jpg*

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

I just ordered an ASUS ROG Strix B550-XE Gaming WiFi with the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 card, where you can put 4 extra M.2 SSD's. And paired with a 5800X3D CPU. I'm not into AM5 yet, seems there are still issues with DDR5 speeds that won't max. Did you see the last build from JTC? With AM4 I run 3600Mhz CL16 smoothly but 2 sticks for 64Gb.

[@Sucrerie]

The 5950X is cheaper than the 5900XT... so not only you pay more for a lower clocked 5950X, you can't "cheap of" by buying a 5900xt and clock it back up to have a 5950X like. Weird pricing + terrible advertising that literally backfires in every way possible (France)

[@brugj03]

Why would they care, with Intel FF up like this, they are in a golden position.

[@kingeling]

They're using their inefficient Zen 3 CCD stock, it's worse silicon that eats more power

[@brugj03]

@@kingeling Who cares, it works.

[@kingeling]

@@brugj03 Just stating the facts

[@noobgamer4709]

well they arent gonna compare current market price. AMD definitely using their original msrp or price cut to compare. retail currently have capabilities to lower price further as we can see with 7900GRE and 7900XT which are way below than AMD price cut.

[@tinegornik]

here in Slovenia 5950x is currently 286€ while new 5900XT 388€, 100€ more for lower clocks...

[@chibilawl]

im still not entirely sure why the 5800xt exists when the 5800x3d is a thing, besides availability if i had to guess

[@paulrmurrayful]

Faster in productivity? Cheaper? Still some stock left to sell? I never get the number of skews to begin with. Should have less, and explain for whom they are for better

[@exscape]

@@paulrmurrayful FWIW -- SKUs, not skews. (SKU = Stock Keeping Unit)

[@Kiyuja]

because the X3D model require more binning, thus less potential chips available. They also require way more cooling. And throwing an already existing product into the market with a different name makes the press talk about you again =)

[@goshobul]

5800x PBOed to do 4.7 under compiling and 4x8 viper 4000 set at 3600@14. No need to update soon.

[@MrBottleNeck]

You know, he kinda sounds like Tim when he's talking about the monitor

[@TheUnkow]

Now that you mentioned it ...

[@QuantumConundrum]

Who's Tim? Isn't that his imaginary friend?

[@TH3C001]

Finally, a review of this CPU telling me exactly what I wanted to know; the 5900XT is just a lower binned 5950X. And finally I know what the ultimate, end-of-the-line upgrade over my 5700X should be, the 5950X lol. Or a 5800X3D, but I want the cores and threads, and he’ll with 16 cores I just might be able to turn off SMT, set it to eco mode and get 5700X or 5800X performance with a fraction of the power. Maybe. Hopefully, ‘cause lord knows my Hyper 212 Evo would struggle to cool it otherwise.

[@elderman64]

That's just straight up a scam, how are they not facing legal consequences yet??

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Where's the scam? They clearly showed the Notes & Clocks. Also it's AMD: Faking Performance data is as old as Bulldozer 16 Core or 5600X not reaching advertised clocks. Sorry but AMD is running bigger Scams at the moment than this newborn Baby.

[@darreno1450]

AMD deserved this criticism. It's definitely a WTF moment as they didn't need to be deceptive. They need to have a serious conversation with whatever group in their marketing department came up with and Ok'd this.

[@InfernoTrees]

Bro i still cant believe they did that 💀💀

[@kdw75]

I still have a 12700k CPU and MB that I never got around to using. I might use it to replace a 3800XT at work. I didn't realize how fast it was.

[@mraltoid19]

AMD could've made a 5950x3D and 5500x3D, but instead we get these.

[@EffectualPoet]

5500X3D would be trash, and 5950X3D would cost over $400 USD.

[@mraltoid19]

@@EffectualPoet A 5500x3D would just be a 5600x3D running at 5700x3D clocks...or a 5700x3D with 2-less cores...sell it for $99.99 and it would rock.

[@Tealdragon204]

The fact of the matter is this was always a slower version of the 5950X, and that was pretty apparent from the fact that it has the same specs but a lower clock speed. It shouldn't be called 5900 XT, it should be called 5950 Non-X.

[@42cuba]

Oh the shills will love this one

[@MrBillrookard]

What I am very curious to see has more to do with Intel and their CPU problems. Looking at the system power draw the 13700k is pulling almost 180w more power, but is literally going up in smoke in record numbers. Once they get their power issues under control I would really like some retesting as I dont really see it as a realistic comparison at this time. Performance and power are inextricably linked, and if Intel has to turn the dials up to 11 to get that 15% over AMD at he cost of CPU stability whats going to happen to performance when they are forced to turn it back down?

[@rangersmith4652]

The 5900XT is indeed faster than my 13700K because mine's been preemptively sidelined to avoid further damage while I wait for Intel to issue a fix that most likely won't actually be a fix. But then, my FX-8350 is faster in games than my out-of-service 13700K.

[@noobgamer4709]

well it close with baseline power profile from intel and will slightly lead when microcode update hits.

[@t_z1030]

Also a great example of why testing CPUs on the most overpowered GPU possible is the right way to do it. Saying that it's "not realistic" and "nobody would pair with " just opens yourself up to being ripped off by marketing misinformation such as this. You might not experience a difference between a 5900XT and a 13700K now with your current GPU and the games you currently play, but *there is still a huge difference between their actual capabilities* and pretending like that doesn't matter is completely braindead. Of course in two years the 5900XT will still actually work and the 13700k probably not so much, so I guess that's something?

[@handicapper911]

what's the issue? people are obviously gonna look at benchmarks (like this one) and then go for the same priced 7900X. Or if they're still on AM4 then they can stick with their 5700x-5900x CPUs and they'll be just fine. If they buy the 5900xt (~440eur) then they have themselves to blame. yea It's false advertising and shady af, (and it would be nice if they were sued for this) but people should do some research before putting that kind of money on anything. Things become drastically different when there is a critical internal flaw which is not readily apparent in a product such as 13/14th gen i9s/i7s

[@petermcgee2185]

yepp

[@yajnalgibno6536]

Facts

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

The issue is holding companies accountable for false advertising so that more people know to look out for it in the future. It is about spreading awareness and in the vain hope of one day reeling these greedy corporations in and getting them to stop doing this kind of shit. Especially in the case where normies don't research or look at non-company provided benchmarks. They are the ones we need to show these videos to and help spread awareness.

[@X_KaosMaster_X]

I am wondering if he used the old test data for the 13700k, or did you retest using the new power limits enforced?? Did you configure all the new Intel settings in BIOS like CEP?

[@degroot50]

If the 13700k dies after a while then the 5900XT is better.

[@JamesCobb-x4p]

got my 14700k for 360 us but when the 50s come out gonna try am5 just started gaming again after 20 years

[@honkhonkler7732]

AM4 has dethroned LGA775 as the GOAT and the 5800X3D is the new Q6600

[@ares23dc]

'the new Q6600' my arse... I would get a 12900KF over a 5800X3D any day. It's cheaper, faster and more future proof.

[@gman7949]

Does anyone know when Ryzen 9000 reviews go live in Australia time?

[@kurtwinter4422]

Well, the 5900XT will still be running in 6 months, so there's that

[@Tomcat2_kanal]

Well, what was power settings for that 13700X? All maximum or Intel recommended settings?

[@derfahnder88]

Here in Germany the 5950X is 310€ while the 5900XT costs 370€ so yea, thanks AMD.

[@weltsiebenhundert]

Schau mal nach CPU&MoBo Deals. Dann wird es noch grausamer...

[@andersjjensen]

As always with AMD launches: Wait a month for AMD to realize that it isn't moving, and gleefully watch them adjust pricing to exactly where it makes sense in the perf/$ stack.

[@tomasruml5317]

No one is forcing you to buy it.

[@pbhaggan87]

I mean, and maybe I missed this, but What 13700K benchdata are you using... The one with unlimted power draw causing all the Intel drama, or the new data with downclocked "stable" settings ??

[@Solrac-Siul]

you may want to check his older video where he compared the 2, the performance loss in games was within margin of error , and in some cases there was none.

[@noobgamer4709]

@@Solrac-Siul i also think amd is using MB with lower PL2 for intel. some has PL2 at 253w and some have 188w and some even have 125w. if they were using 125w with ddr4 3200mhz(per intel spec not oced) 13700k will definitely slower

[@asdsad17]

it doesn't crash. that's like infinitely better.

[@MeinName-x4y]

Reminds to K6 vs Pentium MMX 233. Pure magic test results from vendors. Let's hope, that at least next AMDs CPU generation will not be hurt by any production issues/stability/oxydation/errata. My old i7-3820 needs to retire in some future.

[@neoaliens8635]

I'm here to watch AMD's lies get totally destroyed by Steve! Nice work Steve!

[@n0.nam358]

Can you review MSI MAG 274QRF-QD E2 please🙏🙏🙏 It's popular in my region but has zero detailed reviews

[@Auritech]

I have a question I wanted to throw out there: I have a 3700X which I want to upgrade, and while I'm fully aware the 5800X3D is the gold standard for AM4 gaming, I primarily use my machine for audio work, effects and occasional video editing, so would something like this 5900XT benefit me? The Premiere Pro benchies make it look tempting as a lower cost 5950 alternative, but work in stuff like Ableton Live, Reason, Audition et al. benefit as well from more cores over more cache?

[@brasiliafc2138]

your test on cinebench is without pbo activated otherwise the 5950x is almost as fast as the 7900x on cinebench. amd said that you have to use processors with pbo enabled and not at stock ....

[@Vitis-n2v]

13:08 i guess you misspoke on the second one where if main focus is gaming it should be intel instead of zen4

[@scsiking]

At what point does the GPU stop being the bottleneck? How high up the amd and Nvidia GPU stack do I need to go before the two CPUs start to separate as Steve has pointed out and most of you knew from the start.

[@scsiking]

I'm hoping someone can answer my question. I'm not likely to spend more than I have to on a GPU so I would like to know how much higher on the AMD GPU stack would I need to go before I would even start to see the difference that the better CPU would give me. I think that's just as valid of a question for a budget-minded consumer. If I'm not going to spend enough on my GPU to see the difference then I would get an AM4 CPU. I hope this makes sense.

Just two weeks ago I bought a Ryzen 9 5950X here in Central Europe for 316 euros. It was on sale. I'm happy with it. For the money, I think it's a good buy.

[@Drock7749]

Did you test the 13700k with the new base power configuration or was it with the motherboard overclock configuration? Just wondering....