"Séarlas Óg" - "Young Charles" - Irish Jacobite Song

[@globe0147]

Mo Ghile mor next? Also you really need a Jacobite playlist. I’ve been addicted to “Another song for the Prince”

[@lucario2188]

Thank you for translate it Another good Irish Jacobite song is Rosc Catha Na Mumhan.

[@balladsofhistory]

Thank you for suggesting it in the first place! It’s quite the historic gem, largely overshadowed by Pearse’s version, and is deserving of attention (after all, this is the original). A brilliant rendition by Triantán, all credit to them.

[@lucario2188]

​​@@balladsofhistory Yes, triantán did a great job. Sadly we don't have a audio of the variant of the lyrics that Pearse based his version on, but hey something is better than nothing and still the song sounds fantastic and the lyrics are almost the same has the variant that Pearse used.

[@balladsofhistory]

I did some research into its history. Variants of the original Jacobite song survived in the repertoire of Gaelic speakers in Ulster, up until around the beginning of the 1900s. This version was recorded by Énrí Ó Muirġeasa in Co. Donegal, 1915, taken from Nancy Tracey, who was 90 years of age.

[@lucario2188]

​@@balladsofhistoryOn a side note most Cristeros song have also been transmitted oraly that is why is so hard to find songs they sang in the Internet.

[@Hibernica1641]

God bless the Stuarts

[@aokperson_]

No kings in my country but the Lord

[@Hibernica1641]

@@aokperson_ fair enough

[@NiceViking100]

​​​@@aokperson_ He's King of Kings and Lord of Lords which implies there are Monarchs under his Sovereignty. God only approved of Monarchy and Theocracy in the scriptures. Republicanism and Democracy are pagan superstitions (inherently of the spirit of antichrist) and punishments for being ungodly as well as being ruled by tyrants.

[@MHurtado89]

​@@aokperson_Christ is king of kings, try again republican.

[@aokperson_]

@@MHurtado89 bro does not want all men to be equal under christ

[@olekcholewa8171]

Do you have any more Irish Gaelic and Scottish Gaelic Jacobite songs? I'd be great to hear more.

[@balladsofhistory]

Yes, glad to hear that!

[@olekcholewa8171]

@@balladsofhistory Wonderful ❤️

[@samuelzayton316]

Young Charles? Does it refer to Bonnie Charlie?

[@balladsofhistory]

Yes, King James’ son, the Young Pretender

[@samuelzayton316]

@@balladsofhistory I see.

[@wilftodd3696]

God save the prince over the water! Would you mind putting "rosc catha na Mumhan" on the list? God bless you!

[@lucario2188]

Most people think that the French weren't going to support the Prince, but they showed willignes to support him after his first Victories. For example King Louis at the time sended 2000 soldier from the Irish and Scotish regiments of the French army which only less than half were able to reach the Jacobite Army they were attacked by the Navy, and before Culloden happened the French were preparing 9,000 troops to help the Prince they would had probably reached him, before Culloden had some delays hadn't happened. The troops were going to be under the nominal command of his brother.

[@lucario2188]

Yes, i am aware of all the spelling mistakes, but if i edit it, to correct them, i will lose the heart. So i am sorry for any discomfort.

[@vivianlemottee3291]

Wow!!!!!

[@Glaschu1]

In the vocative case, why is it not “Shearlais Óig” rather than “Shearlais Óg”? Níl Gaeilge na hÈireann agam, ach tha Gàidhlig agam. I thought the Irish rules for an tuiseal gairmeach (vocative case) were the same as ours?

[@eoin3591]

Im not sure how Gàighlig works, but if Shearlais ended with a vowel, it would have a letter added to the start of Óg, such as h-óg. This is why Éireann gets a h in Poblacht na h-Éireann.

[@Glaschu1]

@eoin3591 We have that in Gàidhlig as well with h. For example, the Gàidhlig for Gaeilge is Gàidhlig na h-Èireann. But I was talking about something else. In Gàidhlig, we slenderise and lenite in the vocative case for masculine nouns. Looks like that is the case in Irish (Séarlas -> Shéarlais). But in Gàidhlig, we also apply that to adjectives in the vocative. So I assumed the Óg would be slenderised here to Shéarlais Óig

[@wilftodd3696]

Is this on Spotify?

[@balladsofhistory]

No, but they have a bandcamp miguelheatwole.bandcamp.com/album/triant-n

[@TruekingoftheLeinstermen]

God have mercy on his soul the drink had a terrible hold on the man beat his mistress and later wife because of it just proves what addiction can do to an otherwise good man may he rest in peace

[@lucario2188]

Thankfully for him he died a sober man. Towards the end of his life he fixed his relationship with his Daughter and moved back to Rome in Rome convinced by his daugther and She got him to fix his ralationship with his brother, some sources say his brother convinced him to stop drinking while others say that the one that helped him was the dame-of-honour of his daugther, Marie-Anne de Cartignyn Countess O'Donnel a Irish Jacobite who was determined on fixing the Prince.

[@TruekingoftheLeinstermen]

@@lucario2188 still sad though what it did to him even if he did die sober for the most of his life it basically controlled him he was good man but drink had a strong grip on him and I think I might be wrong that his daughter died not long after also what a fucking bname that o donnel one

[@lucario2188]

@@TruekingoftheLeinstermen Yes, sadly the Prince developed his liking for alcohol in 1744, but before his failure he wasn't a alcoholic and was able to control his behavior when drunk and his desire for alcohol. He became a alcoholic because he wasn't has good with dealing with disappoinment and guilt has his Father was. The Prince knew he got closer to the Crown than all other Jacobite attempts and had some decision been different the Stuarts would probably be on the Throne and this fact haunted him and the guilt for what happened after in Scotland and for the collapse of the Jacobite movement drove him into depression and he found refuge in alcohol and this changed him for the worse. At least he changed in his last years and the glimmers of the man he once was resurfaced. On a Side note I got her Title wrong she was Countess O'Donnell

[@lucario2188]

​​​@@TruekingoftheLeinstermenYes his daugther died like 2 years after him due to cancer in the liver. She supposedly had 2 illegitimate children and she supposedly left all of her inheritance towards a woman who took care of raising them up, her supposed son is buried in Scotland. Robert Burns wrote a poem about her Bonnie Lass of Albanie and considered naming one of his daugthers after her has revelead in a letter to his friend Robert Ainslie.

[@lucario2188]

​​​@@TruekingoftheLeinstermenYou can find the poem of Robert Burns made into song has the bonnie lass of albanie willie. I wanted to leave a link, but i kept getting my comment deleted.

[@kowal99oks38]

Gruß Gott aus Oberschlesien ❤️🇩🇪

[@Milk_enjoyer_]

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[@Robespierre228]

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