[S] John: Descendascend.

Page 200 of Ligmastuck.
Read: mspfa.com/?s=4...
"Stormspirit" & "Heir Conditioning"
Available on Bandcamp in Homestuck - Strife!:
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By Joren "Tensei" de Bruin

[@Ymilliaine]

This is just gonna be like the "only 10% the viewers are subscribed" thing youtubers say, but this animation has a LOT more likes and views than the comic itself. If you liked this video, I'd really appreciate if you gave a like on Ligmastuck on MSPFA, even if you don't really use the site: mspfa.com/?s=42495 That might help it reach new readers on the site! I like it when people read my funny comics, so I'd love it if you took a moment to click that little heart down in the adventure info.

[@eridanstan4977]

welp, ive been on a homestuck nostalgia trip recently anyways. This animation was comedy GOLD!!!! This is the perfect excuse toi check your comic out!

[@theannoyingdog]

I literally just read the entire comic after watching this, and all I can say is that you are an absolute genius. I mean, in what other comic does (SPOILERS) Jude Harley in a suit shoot Karkat wearing an eye patch who was working for a resistance against a mafia in front of baby Vriska, paradox John, secret agent Jane, and Yiffany who can talk???

[@techattack]

Yep, sold. Reading now

[@GalaxicNerd]

ya know getting this randomly recommended and out of context is.... probably the intended viewing experience. absolutely amazing! im horribly confused but supportive all the same!

[@Ymilliaine]

Yeah, totally foresaw KZbin to do it's magic, totally...... The context link is in the description, but if you're content with just the pretty pictures, I'm super glad it's enjoyable that way too!

[@ughthatguy7795]

i got here the same way and im considering reading ligmastuck now

[@JadeJuno]

​@@ughthatguy7795Same here, putting it in my Read Later list LMFAO

[@ToasterOfToasting]

@@JadeJuno reading it right now. just as confusing as this animation tbh

[@CalamitasCalliope]

Eat your heart out Dirk, this is the true power of the Ultimate Self

[@Dunryan]

Ligmastuck ends with john beating up dirk, tposing over his corpse, then flying off to save dave

[@LeafyttTestify]

The unexpected scroll through “egbert” leading to me spotting John goes to McDonalds (my friends MSPFA) was a junpscare

[@charactooling6470]

This isn't just a shitpost with a plot, it's a tribute to what made, and still makes Homestuck great 4/13/2022 A webcomic stands in the middle of its fandom. Though it was thirteen years ago that it was given life, and with it, a name, it is only that day that its legacy shall last eternal Here's to another 13 years and beyond

[@Pencilwarrior32]

FOURTHIRTEEN

[@second-ratelich3520]

Definitely not what you would expect from something called Ligmastuck but it's what you should expect.

[@TORchic1]

I have no clue what Ligmastuck is, but this is incredible. 10/10, would almost accidentally die from choking on water again.

[@Criz454]

it's 4/13 not 10/10 but ok

[@LShiftlessShenanigans]

@@Criz454 i say its 11/11 but ok

[@lordmemphrl9277]

This is fantastic! It coming up in my recommended got me reading Ligmastuck now, and It's what I always wanted from meta-fanon stories.

[@AllenGrimm1145]

Absolutely incredible! (The ONLY thing that could have made this any better would have been including some of the more obscure Canon Johns, like Homosuck's "MALE" or Trickster Link John.)

[@Nightfruitt]

Gonna tell my children this was [s] collide

[@edwardsinger7644]

At first I thought this was a reanimation of the "JOHN. RISE UP." flash, but it appears this has something to do with The Canonization of Every John Egbert. I am thoroughly intrigued. brb gonna read your fancomic.

[@dobrakawanimat]

this is still like my favourite bit of homestuck fan content that's come out in ages. ligmastuck is awesome

[@demongirlfriend]

as probably the one person here who's actually read ligmastuck before watching this, this is unironically one of the best fanventures i've EVER read. the absurdity and the messages about the nature of the self are fucking fantastic, and this flash was unironically fucking breathtaking. tysm for making this

[@ParakotoJenkins]

fuck this changed my life. Both this video and the comic's original start. Literally helped me realize that maybe that the rate we improve is meaningless and that maybe everything we hold as an idea of who we are is also essentially meaningless. Essentially I view the amount of information in the universe as an inequality where 0 = equation. I think our view of time increasing is simply a concept as everything else in life, and that the continuity of self-improvement is to help add more to the world than what you take out of it. By assuming an idea we create an information imbalance. For example, the concept of time is that time is increasing, which means time is equal to x. However, that would mean the amount of information in the universe is increasing over time. This means that this information is exhausted in various forms to create a balance. In a way understanding that you are zero information, that the concept of anything existing is Null, and then that the concept of things can eventually be self-evident as they are already there means that their existence is a constant of information. essentially, when we get to the unconscious I want a scene where John has to bring the better version of himself and teach him by conveying to him absolutely nothing. Essentially, he lets his unconscious become himself and they walk together, eventually becoming one. Then every lesson learned and then forgotten along the way, the true balance, could be taught to his absolute fundamental self. John finally has simply become a stronger person, his control of his self is infinite, because he has become more united with his personal self. Then he just becomes the best person he could be at any moment instinctually. He does this whole process again but faster and faster until he's infinitely perfect in his own reality. As that would mean that he would have the knowledge of the perfect way to exist, his next step would be teaching it to Dave by healing him, and then DAVE STARS IN LIGMASTUCK 2 THE BABY IS YOU EDITION SOMEHOW

[@noahrules7146]

giving heir conditioning the S page it deserves

[@Pixaurora]

this looked like a more epic version of the "ultimate self" thing from hs^2 and the epilogues, also this rendering work is amazing. Great job!

[@cephalopod-crossing]

Best tribute I've seen this 4/13! Can't wait to see more :)

[@iagodoslago9875]

oh the animation is so good though

[@twins.Armageddon]

I can't believe you made several among us jokes, a ligma joke, good animations and a good story while also refrencing the baby is you.

[@unofficialdontism]

oh my god what was just that I don't know how to feel- the animation is so great and I don't even know what the context is

[@Floofy_Fox_Gal]

One of my favorite things about this is the fact that there’s pretty much a 3/1 John/June ratio, showing that even though John is canon, and will always be more recognized, the fandom will always have a special place in their hearts for June. I know I do.

[@mishy.]

yeah tbh I didn't know what was going on, I was like "is this homestuck?" and it was. fucking loved it though! great animation, my friend c:

[@solahifuefos9301]

i occasionally come back to watch this and it always makes me tear up

[@Feasco]

This an absolutely preposterous amount of effort for what's labelled a shitpost

[@buzzton9582]

Who knew John tposing could be so powerful

[@ricemilk413]

Seeing the thumbnail I expected a shitpost but I got blown away!! Wow

[@nativechatter999]

Incomprehensible, liked

[@g--stef4756]

I'm glad to say I got here via Ligmastuck reading it for the first time and holy shit you're making a good comic. Keep up the fucking excellent work, please, and thank you for sharing it with us.

[@probablyapineapple]

im going to fucking cry. i remember i started reading ligmastuck like 6 months ago (and i remember being absolutely blown away by the amount of effort put into it even in the first few pages. my expectations were extremely low just from the title but god was i wrong) and i didnt get very far into it at all but upon seeing this good god i need to read it

[@samcandles]

dirk strider

[@samcandles]

wait this is a homestuck video

[@Wallespider]

Okay i'm definitely saving this for comic inspiration, this animation is amazing Ymi!!!

[@Grisastre]

this was in my recommendations and whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw

[@spectralstrider3147]

I haven't been into homestuck for 5 years but damn, this looks wild

[@sigmatic5411]

randomly got this recommended by youtube so i caught up before watching this, actually more entertaining than homestuck^2 and not even in an ironic way lol

[@EtchJetty]

this is unironically so fucking gorgeous and well done holy fuck, like, from the minor details to the major ones. i love first of all the gorgeously crunch pixels at 1080p, like, yes. yes. i love it. and the 3d render also being done in that resolution is great. and then second of all the 3D!!!!!!!! its amazing when the thumbnail gif of john doing fortnite dance was foreshadowing the whole time, like. brilliant. and the DESIGNS of the alt johns were so good - did you come up with all of them, or were they community sourced? either way great picks. this is what meeting your ultself should always look like. this is a bar for mspfa - hell, MSPA itself - being raised. this is the exact kind of escalation out of the medium that hs at its best was always able to achieve, and it's being nailed here too. great fuckin shit :D

[@Ymilliaine]

Thanks so much! I came up with every Egbert here, more or less. I mean for example the concept of June is not original of course and John in Con Air clothing is in HS itself, but the specific designs are mine (though of course I've been influenced by designs I've seen before). Also the icon being foreshadowing is a point I haven't seen noticed before! This animation was in the plans from the very beginning, and experimenting with 3D was one of the like 3 things that inspired Ligmastuck to begin with.

[@EtchJetty]

@@Ymilliaine i long for the day when we get a june egbert who kins, not nic cage from con air, but sally can't-dance, the trans woman, from con air that's when the fandom will finally reach its full potential also glad to point at the thing and notice the thing you meant to be noticed :D

[@borealiscreep7436]

Ooooh etchjetty, I like your fanfics

[@EtchJetty]

@@borealiscreep7436 WHICH ONES >:D

[@borealiscreep7436]

@@EtchJetty *points to nepetaquest* I love that one

[@joltstorm64]

THE FUCKING HUSSNASTY JOHN JUMPSCARE AT 2:22

[@moss_fetttt]

im johning out!

[@DevilishHellion]

but why is this so god damn hype

[@0b13F4st3]

This is hands down, one of the best "Homestuck" fan animations I have ever seen so far. And because of that, you've just earned yourself a new subscriber.

[@snaek2594]

delerious hussnasty

[@mushykitten]

I love this so much. this is meta done well. found this, read the comic so far, and it's great. keep up the amazing work!!

[@ShameTooShame]

i was expecting this to be just another cool and new webcomic, where silly art happens and some silly humor, but my god, it got to the point of homestuck level lore, and the art like insane good for no reason, like HOW

[@B1esky]

I saw the trailer earlier and had to start reading. It immediately made me double over laughing and now it's blossomed into some of the most beautiful shit I have literally ever seen. I hope to jod you are getting all the money in the world for this. I sincerely hope this becomes a much much more recognized piece of art.

[@KaizarNike]

joghn: beyond fanon^4

[@allamalad]

THIS IS SO RANDOM YET AMAZING AT THE SAME TIME 😭😭 you've captured fandom at its finest >:]

[@clementine691]

amogus egbert

[@benwaffleiron]

this is freaking amazing oh my gog

[@tomtom-uy3ov]

end of evangelion

[@aquaticGoblin]

Yes

[@LostSnowdrift]

i present to you my liveblog watching this flash eh? [8:49 PM] i thought this was a shitpost but evidently not narnkar - Today at 9:08 PM ok this is genuinely really well animated [9:08 PM] like its better than a hs flash in some parts (edited) [9:09 PM] WHY IS THIS TOUHOU MUSIC [9:09 PM] WHY IS THIS FROM AN ADVENTURE CALLED "LIGMASTUCK" [9:09 PM] then again [9:09 PM] name a more iconic duo than high effort and inane shitposts in the homestuck fandom [9:10 PM] i have no fucking context for ay of this

[@pixelmate4926]

John of John

[@logeannesbrio691]

A friend from Discord showed me this, I don't understand this but I am loving this so much!

[@mun7087]

GODDDDDDDD egbert ligmaballs

[@purplenerdsplushie]

Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse (2023)

[@p34c3w4lk3rr]

have no idea what ligmastuck is but holy shit his is so good

[@cirlurbyrbos3865]

The johnverse is real

[@impish750]

im obsessed with this

[@frenchtoastbob7438]

johnverse

[@ness6714]

This is the homestuck ever

[@somniad]

just casually read the first 200 pages of ligmastuck and am now even more confused than when I first found this with no context

[@lunky5820]

this was when John egbert became Lennonberg

[@NErDy-pr1jf]

So is this John becoming his ultimate self?

[@Ymilliaine]

Short answer: Yeah, it's like that, pretty much. Not intended to be, but a viewer who isn't interested in Ligmastuck can think of it that way. Long answer: It's a little bit different conceptually. He is "descendascending" into something that could be called "ultimate tiers", which is a thing in Ligmastuck, but it hasn't been clearly stated what that means exactly (yet? spoilers?). What's been revealed so far I could sum it up as like, if Ultimate Self is every existing self combined, the so-called Ultimate Tiers also include selves that don't exist, but are conceivable (And maybe not exactly enough like the original so that they'd contribute to a Ultimate Self?) Anyway I leave it at that since I don't wanna even accidentally spoil anything for readers, but Ligmastuck so far elaborates a little more on how it works.

[@NErDy-pr1jf]

@@Ymilliaine so it’s like how after you godteir and gain easy access to your classpect powers you can continue ascending and gain more mastery not only over your abilities but also the way you interact with narrative elements like talking and holding things. But now your going though the tiers of ultimate self where you’ve gained access to other versions of yourself you can go even further by incorporating and wielding the power of a broadening horizon of what could be considered another version of your self, incorporating selfs of lower substantially and greater variance. Selfs that couldn’t exist in any possible branch of your starting conditions but do/could exist under completely different starting conditions but are still nominally “you”. Not just a unification of all alternate selfs but also notional selfs?

[@Ymilliaine]

@@NErDy-pr1jf That's a good way of saying it. Something Ligmastuck has also questioned (pretty subtly) is what counts as a "starting condition" meta-wise, like for example would the first page of Homestuck count as the same starting condition for a first time reader, someone who has read it all before, and someone who's very familiar with fan interpretations. And going beyond that, though I don't think it has been specifically hinted at yet, would a fundamentally different starting condition still be thought as a continuation of that first page, as what followed that inspired the idea of that condition.

[@uraniumremix787]

THIS ROCKS

[@Doomsayers_]

Finally some good content in KZbin

[@Johnpersona3rd]

Incredible animation

[@TerrestrialExtraTerrestrial]

I was about to click off to continue my homework but then it got good

[@mojonoahgamer5647]

Into the Egbert-verse

[@oammaslastnamethei3063]

Fuck this is peak homestuck shit. Well done

[@НикитаДенисов-у9ы]

Holy...

[@yeahhpiehh]

We need Riseupabscond next

[@Lord_Ocram]

what did I just watch lol

[@alexmcfly31415]

This is absolute bullshit and I love it

[@aurianeL]

Alright that was very cool :O

[@skunkbert]

why was the twitter and tumblr art blurred, exactly? was it just a stylistic choice, or was it to avoid using art without the creator's permission or something?

[@Ymilliaine]

Yeah, I didn't want to use art without permission, and there was too much of art just to ask everyone. The MSPFA adventure icons I didn't think anyone would consider a problem, but I figured straight up artwork from Twitter and Tumblr just put into this thing might've been an issue to some. The sites are still recognizble as well as the characters, so the point still comes across pretty fine.

[@skunkbert]

@@Ymilliaine i totally understand, thanks for clarifying!

[@Badsy_the_Edgecat]

ive been trying to read ligma stuck but like every flash page, after it loads, flickers like crazy

[@Ymilliaine]

What kind of device and browser are you trying to view them? Have you tried to see if another browser would work better? Firefox on desktop should work well, at least.

[@Badsy_the_Edgecat]

@@Ymilliaine i AM on firefox, but my internet is slow

[@Ymilliaine]

Sorry, I really don't know how to solve the issue. The only ideas I have are to refresh the page after the [S]-content loads, or trying to view them with another device or browser.

[@Luigicat11]

Well, having actually read the comic, I've just gotta say... I barely understand this any more than when I watched it the first time.

[@wafflehoney]

did i stumble across picassos arch fucking nemesis. what.

[@voidfulunarxecularity8726]

im watching this in 240p cuz my internet sucks rn + i got recommended this and holy shit what the fuck is even happening this is so bad but in a good way??????/ idk how to explain it but i am flabbergasted

[@Qaiou]

mm yeah i will read that

[@Qaiou]

currently reading this. finally reached this part. awesome

[@St0nek]

wh wht

[@maribelhandesu]

this is definitely one of the flashes ever made. 612/4.13 would ???????? again

[@sectorrrrr]

i heard touhou

[@andromedalaartemiza1533]

:0

[@awsumMoth]

please not the hussnasty john

[@asdfparody]

what

[@juststuffinc]

why does this kinda sync up to badapple

[@p3tux024]

eg

[@abrikoskivi7748]

T

[@oct3284]

Чё это было?

[@marxssweetass6118]

As a fan of John Egbert, this made me really happy to see a lot of John Egberts. The moment I saw this I was very happy, it was like "IT'S MY BOOOOOIIII(s)!!!" 10/10 John Egbert is my Sohn Egbert.

[@hatwearingdumb]

That is really good, good luck on ye next ventures!

[@haikuheroism6495]

still can't believe this is an actual animation for an actual mspfa and not just some really elaborate shitpost.

[@darcylitster3053]

honestly the mspfa seems like an elaborate shitpost a lot of the time. it's shitpost central and then hits with philosophical existential type shit at the moment you least expect it. it's absolutely delightful. you should read it if you haven't yet

[@パガイ]

Was this made in blender? It looks fantastic !

[@Ymilliaine]

Partially, yeah!

[@okavara3833]

this getting randomly recommended on youtube is how I found ligmastuck. This was JUST after my friendgroup and I had made a john-only session on the genesis project, with many iterations of john.

[@Nightfruitt]

This is the only piece of Homestuck media that matters. I don’t know the context but I now have no choice but to get it.

[@DietermiGamzD125]

[S] John: Move horizontally By the way I got this recommend randomly but incredible video.

[@IronicEquius]

Holy shit this is amazing, all the different Johns and whatever other confusing stuff are just so cool I need to read ligmastuck asap

[@fastodash5751]

huh. i actually have read some of ligmastuck, but i just got recommended this randomly, and i have no idea what's going on.

[@techtubbs2536]

This series is still awesome! I love how it’s a way you think about homestuck but with different emotional focuses like the series itself did. This is what made homestuck kickass, the fact it’s all insanely unexpected but also a coherent story, but when taken out of context you have no idea what’s going on. KEEP GOING!!!!

[@notpukicho2950]

1:16 cirno moment

[@zestyalmonds]

i don't remember subscribing to you. happy 4/13