S&W CS9 vs. Florida LEO Handgun Qualification

[@chrischiampo7647]

Excellent Shooting HrFunk Your Shooting The Course From My Neck Of The Woods Hot & Humid Florida Today The Temp is In The 94-95 Deg Range 100% Humidity And Mosquitoes The Size of SeaGulls 😊😳😎👍🏼

[@hrfunk]

We haven’t been too far behind you the past couple of days. We hit 90 yesterday and today, but at least the humidity has not been too bad.

[@chrischiampo7647]

hrfunk Hoping For Some Rain Soon I’m Going To Be Seeing Tumbleweed Rolling Down my Yard If Not 😳😳😳😎

[@hrfunk]

Ha ha! I wish I could send you some of ours. This has got to be the rainiest spring on record here in Northern Ohio!

[@chrischiampo7647]

hrfunk We Could Use It That’s For Sure 😎

[@woodrow1037]

I think what this course of fire demonstrates is that 1-4 seconds can be a life time. Good video as usual. Blessings brother

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Woodrow!

[@charlie_onesix7665]

I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that this is the basic qualification course for all LEO in the state. I would imagine that additional follow-on training would occur at each individual agency. Not a horrible basic pistol course but basic and that's pretty much it. The good part about that is it can leave more of a clean slate for additional agency follow on firearms training hopefully without bringing a bunch of bad habits and poor tactics. I really do enjoy this series.

[@Alconium]

Most departments do tend to have additional training after the State academy that's done with a department TO, mostly to learn the paperwork and procedures but there's always room for additional "tactics" and qualification for cities that want that.

[@charlie_onesix7665]

@@Alconium .... thats how it was done when I came on. We had basic qual then the rest was Agency specific. 👍

[@hrfunk]

I know. The problem I see is with the departments that simply meet the minimum standard and that’s where they stop.

[@charlie_onesix7665]

@@hrfunk and that is where they get into trouble at. I don't believe just meeting the minimum standard should ever be acceptable. We are professionals entrusted with great amounts of responsibility. I do not believe in mediocre being acceptable for men and women in our positions. I did not accept mediocre from those Marines under my command and I do not accept mediocre from the agents under my command. I tried to lead by example and push in a positive way those who work with me and for me upward always. When I see those agents being promoted I feel proud that I may have been able to influence then in a positive way. For those on the outside they will never understand the responsibility that we shoulder everyday. Keep up the good work.

[@hrfunk]

Will do Sir, and I couldn’t agree with you more. Unfortunately, I feel we may be in the minority.

[@lcsjr6040]

You have an interesting task ahead choosing the best LEO qualification course so far. I look forward to your next video, HR. Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Larry!

[@Elvis68spec]

WOW! it's nice to see a CS9 again! That was my very first Off Duty Pistol! It was a companion to my first On Duty Pistol which was the S&W 6906! Man, I feel old! LOL! Great Video! Incidentally, I like the M&P Shield better, which was One of my last Off Duty Pistols! Just thought I'd tell ya that! LOL!

[@hrfunk]

Ha, ha! Great minds think alike. I semi-retired my CS9 in 2014 when a purchased a 9mm Shield.

[@easyfiveOsink]

Now I'm going to have to look up the S&W 6906 on KZbin...........and then I'll likely want one!

[@hrfunk]

@@easyfiveOsink I cant help you there. I always wanted a 69 series pistol, but nver managed to acquire one. If I ever do, you'll see it here!

[@easyfiveOsink]

@@hrfunk With all the variants and over 3 generations of production runs, collecting hammer-fired S&Ws would require more patience and deeper pockets than I'll ever possess!

[@Elvis68spec]

@@easyfiveOsink Not a bad Gun. If you decide to get one. You'll have fun with it.

[@jamesthompson9999]

Another great video in this series. Loving the variety of weapons used. I know it may difficult to do but many departments have a back up gun qualification course. I think all of us would like to see a few of those. Again thanks for the great and informative videos.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. I’m thinking about making a follow-up series to this one featuring off duty and back-up pistols. Stay tuned!

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very Cool S&W CS9. I have never seen one before. Thanks for showing it Hrfunk.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Jerry. Thanks for watching!

[@mikethomas5412]

The courses that expend most rounds from 7yrds in, start close and move outwards and require a head shot, are the best courses of fire, in my opinion. Thanks Howard, another great video.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Mike, I’m glad you liked it!

[@jellybryce7742]

after the patrol shotgun ,smg, and rifle series i hope you do a precision rifle leo series.

[@hrfunk]

That might be fun too!

[@joep4235]

great vid, thanks so much !! Love the new shooters perspective cam.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@GunSam]

Very smooth and consistent. That's the kind of skill that takes decades to master.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Sam!

[@davidg.6751]

Nice Job HR, you made that look easy. Florida needs to make it a little harder. Great series!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@robertguzewicz8157]

Really enjoying these state by state Q. courses.

[@hrfunk]

Thank you Robert!

[@mikeri3246]

This course and the 25 yard 48 round course was developed for six rounds with revolvers. The Florida department of corrections used revolvers up until about two years ago and uses the Florida criminal justice standards commission qualification.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks for the info.

[@tbjtbj4786]

Thats was the alterd quilfation. The one back in 90 you started from 25yd 6 shots in to 2 targets 3 in to each one. You had to hit 3 times . They changed it to the starting close later on because so many people had to go back to remedial quilfation because they could not hit 50% at 25yd

[@tbjtbj4786]

The ratio in the 90's was 38 hits out of the 48 2 times back to back or 3 out of 5 for quilfation.

[@hrfunk]

@tbjtbj4786 Reducing qualification standards has been a nationwide endeavor.

[@wwclay86]

Good shooting!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@wwclay86]

@@hrfunk can't wait to see you and a 1911 vs. the Kansas course....

[@frankvandornis4373]

The cs9 was part of the "gun of the week" program wasn't it? That was an interesting period of design experiment and while it seemed a little confusing at times I thought it showed some innovative thinking. I'm glad to hear that your cs9 has served you well for so long and is still a viable choice for self defense today. Thanks for yet another excellent video and history lesson.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Frank. Thanks for watching!

[@SACA27529]

Enjoying your series through the state qualifications. Kudos on your weight loss journey as well. Good solid info on your channel. Thanks!

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@frankhinkle5772]

The more I watch the more I get from the My View clips. Novice shooters especially will benefit from seeing you shoot from two angles. You perform a reload with the pistol is up in front of your face so you can see it and the target both. Several of my students just could not grasp that technique. Seeing it twice reinforces how to perform the reload properly. Thank you for this series and all of the rest of your good work.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome Frank! I’m glad you like it.

[@bertcollicutt8121]

Hi Howard, to me that course looks very easy, even i think i could pass. I will try it the next time i go to the range. Also love the as you see shots. My local range is the Cape Pele Gun Range in Cape Pele N.B. Canada.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks for watching Bert! You’re right, this one was not as challenging as some of the previous ones.

[@dorothyburry42]

I went through the Florida Law Enforcement Pistol Qualification Course in March of 2021. The course you have here in 2019 is vastly different than the one I qualified on. It seems I went through an improved version, possibly due to your video.

[@hrfunk]

If so, then, I’m glad I helped to improve the course. Thanks for the info!

[@markheischman672]

I love these videos. Also doing the point of view camera is awesome!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you. I’m glad you like them!

[@berellaca1]

Great video. I love those 3rd Generation S&Ws. I have the 5906, 4006 & the 4506. Looking to add some more.

[@hrfunk]

The third gens were great pistols. You have some good ones!

[@rider547]

Another great job HR. Fairly easy course except for the 2 shots in 1 second. That seemed to be the only real challenge in this course. Its amazing how long 45 seconds takes when taking those 12 shots including the reload. I have an idea which pistol you’ll pick as the favorite of the first 10. Looking forward to that video. Thanks!

[@hrfunk]

Thanks! The first Semi Final round will be coming up next week!

[@bluesteel.4424]

Enjoying the series, Funkybruster.

[@hrfunk]

I’m glad you are!

[@chadfette901]

Great job! I love these videos!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@jims9249]

I think the guy behind the CS9 did a fine job :) Looking forward to the evaluation.

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Jim!

[@skipboyer1889]

Hey! I watched this on Saturday but didn't comment. Another great video. I know you are very high on S&W semi auto's. I just never got used to them. On the Gen 3 (if memory serves me) there were so many issues and I was so poor, I couldn't afford to buy a gun that had issues. The same reason I didn't buy a Colt 1911 during the 1970's-1980's. Those cost a ton and then you had to put another $1000 into them to make them shoot reliably. I do have to say this though, you shoot them very well and seem to really like them. Good on you. Another great video too, my friend. Keep them coming!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you! I’m not sure where that rumor came from about S&W semi-autos having issues. I’ve owned a fair number and carried three as duty weapons over the years. Mine and the others I’ve been around have been very reliable performers.

[@aerialeggbeater2644]

The gen 1 S&W’s (especially the model 59) did indeed have all kinds of problems. In fact I went through the factory police armorers course at the factory in 1980. When showing how to fix the model 59, the head armorer held the weapon over the trash can and let it fall. The problems were fixed on subsequent generations, and now the M&P autos are reliable and fine weapons.

[@3Pillers]

👍 nice shooting

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@John.VanSwearingen]

I shot this course back in 2010. I remember the first two stages being spitting-distance point-shoots and the rest of the course having time limits conducive for naps. Not a great course, but FL has to be easy enough for all the older NJ and NY state guys moving down.

[@hrfunk]

Yes, this was certainly not the most challenging course I’ve shot so far. Even so, thanks for watching!

[@mountainhobo]

12 with a reload, 45 seconds - I think it was originally designed for a revolver.

[@hrfunk]

That’s true for a lot of theses courses and their respective stages.

[@petermonck5448]

Superb presentation. Thanks.

[@hrfunk]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@vivatones66]

When I went through the state of Florida FDLE firearms qualification course in 2000, the distances were the same as your demonstration; however, targets were active, and at greater distances we had to step out from cover and fire. It appears to have gotten much easier.

[@hrfunk]

That has been the trend nationwide.

[@monitor1862]

Is there any indication from the states so far about how many times an officer has to qualify/practice with their firearm during a given time frame (a year, 6 months)? BTW really enjoy your videos. Are you planning to do one with your Smith 624? Gotta love the .44 Special.

[@hrfunk]

The requalification frequency varies from state to state. There is not really a consistent rule in that regard. I’m sure I’ll shoot one of these courses with a .44 Special, I’m not sure if it will be the 624. You’ll have to stay tuned to find out!

[@monitor1862]

@@hrfunk thank you. I'll definitely stay tuned

[@arthuroubre7562]

This is a basic course for Florida qualification. A lot of agencies use their own course to determine qualification. when I worked at Alachua County we had a fifty round course which involved strong and weak hand shooting, moving, failure drills, and shooting from cover kneeling or prone. This course is a way to get qualification out of the way and to move onto more challenging training.

[@maskedman1980]

A.S.O. Deputy checking in. The “A.S.O. 50” is a good course.

[@wflccb83]

Thanks again for bringing us along in this journey. At stage 5, it would be interesting to load several magazines with random rounds so you didn't know where the reload would occur. Then finish the drill. I think this would simulate the randomness of reloading under stress better. Great shooting again HR! BTW, I like the new glasses view perspective. Great use of the new technology. A bit more practice keeping everything in frame and it'll be perfect. Looking forward to the summary video, will you pick one overall gun or one revolver and one semi-auto?

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome Kevin! I'm glad you like the new "shooter's perspective" view. The AimCam glasses have a few quirks that I'm still sorting out, which is why you see things like an off center view from time to time. Overall, however, I think it's a fun addition to the format. When I pick the favorite firearm it will be just one. So both the revolvers and the semi-autos are in the competition.

[@jacoballen3267]

I have the Air Force AFI for Security Forces officers, both military and civilian. The standard issue firearm is the M9 Beretta with 15 round magazines with mil spec ball ammunition. I was assigned to the 96th Security Forces Squadron as a civilian police officer at Eglin AFB, FL from 2009-2012.

[@hrfunk]

If you can get me those courses, I'd be happy to add them to my list. After I complete the state qual courses, I'm thinking about a follow-up series with Federal and Military courses.

[@jacoballen3267]

hrfunk The handgun portion table of Fire starts on page 70 with the detailed description following. It also has the template of targets on page 78. This AFI covers all small arms and crew served weapons in the standard Air Force inventory. static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a4/publication/afman36-2655/afman36-2655.pdf

[@hrfunk]

Got it. Thanks! I was looking at the qualification requirements, and I noticed the "Expert" rating requires 6 shots in the 6" head circle, but the course doesn't specify where/when those shots are to be fired. I assume most shooters will try to fire them during the initial stage from 7 yards. Is that correct?

[@jacoballen3267]

hrfunk I believe the information you’re inquiring about starts on page 73 in common practice notes and continues on to the next few pages.

[@hrfunk]

@@jacoballen3267 Thank you!

[@easyfiveOsink]

S&W never should have abandoned DA/SA hammer-fired guns in favor of striker-fired only weapons. Don't get me wrong, the M&P, Shield and SD series guns are fine pistols, but S&W left the hammer-fired field open to the likes of SIG, CZ, H&K and Beretta when they should have been producing polymer framed versions of their hammer-fired designs. If I want a hammer-fired poly frame gun I have to go to say a Beretta PX4 Storm or SIG SP2022, but who wouldn't enjoy trying a polymer framed Model 915 or 5906 type S&W?

[@hrfunk]

I agree. I think a modernized version of the 3rd Gen pistols would still sell well.

[@danielwatters1203]

FWIW: S&W had experimented with polymer-frame variants of their legacy pistols back in the late 1980s. I seem to remember seeing at least one patent related to the project.

[@easyfiveOsink]

@@danielwatters1203 Sounds like a video for Ian at Forgotten Weapons.

[@talkingrock7011]

Interesting choice of weapons it seems to be a good one for the job , was it only made in stainless ?

[@hrfunk]

No, there was a blued version too. They also came in 40 S&W, and .45 ACP versions as well.

[@lovemym16]

Philadelphia PD ......did the gun go bang?...yes? you passed !

[@charlie_onesix7665]

Lmao.....having worked alongside PPD....I understand the coment ....nice lol

[@frankbutta9344]

Now that you’ve completed a course with a compact auto, you’ll have to try a snubnose revolver. I have confidence that you could do it, Chief. 👍

[@JohnW-yv6yp]

Though compact semi autos (especially steel ones) are easier to shoot than J frame revolvers, because they’re still larger with a better grip and sights, I would still like to see him try it with a J frame. If anyone can do it, he can.

[@hrfunk]

Sooner or later when I find the right course, I’ll shoot it with a snub by. Stay tuned!

[@danlarsen7572]

Great job

[@hrfunk]

Thanks Dan!

[@precisionmarksman5084]

Very generous time requirement..

[@hrfunk]

Agreed.

[@jeffmaynard3059]

Dear Sir, Very much enjoy watching your work. On stage 2, the instruction was to begin from the low ready. It appears that you were pointed in. Can you address your understanding of Low Ready, please? thank you

[@hrfunk]

I’m sorry, I misspoke when I was recording the intro to that stage. The course description actually stated that stage was to be fired from the “ready gun” position, not the “low ready” position. Sometimes it’s hard to keep all the nomenclature straight.

[@jeffmaynard3059]

@@hrfunk Very good. keep up the good work. like the concept!

[@hrfunk]

Thank you!

[@Alconium]

Out of curiosity HR, any plans to do the FBI Qualification? I know you've got your plate full with one from every state already but I think it would be fairly interesting to see how they all compare to the FBI Qualification course when it's all said and done. It's got a lot of movement in it so could be fairly different from the rest. (Though there's many yet to see!) Either way, great video's and keep up the good work!

[@hrfunk]

What I’m thinking about doing is comparing the best state course to the federal courses (FBI, FAM, etc), but It’s going to take a while for me to get there.

[@Alconium]

@@hrfunk That sounds awesome and like what I hoped. I know it'll take time but I can't wait to see it. Got me looking for a new range that's a little less static so I can do something like this myself. Looks like a hell of a lot of fun.

[@hrfunk]

It is. It beats the heck out of just standing and shooting!

[@uberaustin777]

I just watched your old video on the remington nylon 66 (my dad gave me his when I was a kid) and then clicked through the rest of your channel. Ended up watching this most recent video and didn't even think I was on the same channel anymore because of how much more in shape you got! Really enjoying this informative stuff! Do you plan on getting an m17 anytime soon?

[@hrfunk]

Yes, if I can get my hands on one.

[@javagoblin1585]

As a Floridian, Ive never heard my state said with so many syllables. Hahaha. IT'S FLAWDA BABY.

[@hrfunk]

Ha, ha! Sorry, I'll work on that.

[@javagoblin1585]

@@hrfunk 😅 really enjoying the qualification playlist! It's a shame FL was so lackluster.

[@LYLEWOLD]

good shooting, great video. looking forward to your thoughts on these 10, and the firearms used on each one. and also, hrfunk, what was that code again? j/k, will definitely use it next time.

[@hrfunk]

Ha, ha! Thanks Lyle!

[@apbiggins8mm]

Great video as always out of curiosity do you have a video review of that s&w cs9 obviously s&w doesnt make it anymore lol but I've never heard of it and I think that's a cool little pistol

[@hrfunk]

As a matter of fact I do! Here’s the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6uknWmnlrd4p6s

[@chrispetersen113]

Hope you have a Great 4th of July! 🎂🇺🇸

[@hrfunk]

Same to you Chris!

[@sleigh4019]

Shouldn't the target be wheeling a machete and holding meth?

[@JohnW-yv6yp]

Lol, when the time limit was 45 seconds and you finished 14 seconds. I feel like 45 seconds is way too generous for 12 rounds and a reload. You could slow fire, 1 round per 3 seconds, take 5 seconds to reload (which is slow in my opinion) and still be at only 41 seconds if I did my math right. I’ve never seen the S&W CS9 before, very cool.

[@cleondubois1270]

Almost seems like originally a revolver course and plenty of time for that too.

[@hrfunk]

Yes, some of the time limits I’m seeing in these courses are very generous. The CS9 was/is a really good little carry pistol.

[@logicaredux5205]

I’d say you got ‘em! Will you be using your SW99 on any of the qualifications?

[@hrfunk]

Yep. I almost used it for the New Jersey course and then decided against it.

[@strider8933]

That Qual course has changed. Like an earlier comment said ( I started in 1984) , it has been very watered down and is much less demanding. Wow, the times are VERY generous!

[@henryschmidt636]

This is a fascinating series. I started my FL. Leo career in 1983. CJSTC\FDLE course then went from the 7 to the 50 yard line included prone, kneeling, weak handed and barricade positions and was 50 rounds. By my retirement in 2005 it was seriously milked down to 48 rounds from the 3-20 yard line. No longer any weak handed, barricade or prone work. But we had to address 2 targets and always from the holstered position. Sadly it seems to be milked down even more today and reduced to 40 rounds! Standards reduced.

[@hrfunk]

Unfortunately, that seems to be the trend nationwide. One of the things I'm hoping for as I produce this series is that those in a position to institute change will re-evaluate their qualification standards and improve them.

[@aerialeggbeater2644]

Same with my departments in south MS. I started in 1975. We had different positions,strong and weak hand, and used B27 targets with competition scoring. I qualified yesterday, using strong hand only, kneeling and standing, using qualification scoring rings. Seems like a blind person who has never fired a gun could qualify.

[@hrfunk]

@@aerialeggbeater2644 Unfortunately, that seems to be the trend with LE Qualification courses. I've got the MS course and some B27's, that video will be coming in the near future.

[@craigbenz4835]

It seems like a course needing a vast improvement.

[@watchshowandtell7138]

Thank you for the educational content. I was wondering if you have experience with the S&W 3913, another very popular compact pistol. If you do, can you comment on the difference between the 3913 and CS9 in terms of size and overall performance? Based on my research both seem very similar, but I haven't had the opportunity to compare them. Thank you.

[@hrfunk]

I once owned a 3914. It was identical to the 3913, except it was blued steel. The CS-9 is lighter and more. compact. Between the two, I prefer the CS-9.

[@derweibhai]

I prefer the videos without the first person view. It doesn't really show much. Your camera work on the previous ones are very good and show you shooting and hits in target. The first person view doesn't show hits, and just adds length to the video.

[@frankhinkle5772]

Respectfully, I disagree. I find the My View to be helpful to illustrate to new shooters the proper procedures. From that view we do not see the hits on the target but we get another view of HR Funk's proper weapon handling skills. "This is what it is supposed to look like from the shooter's view."

[@sawhill729]

Dear sir, I replaced my glock 43 with a cs9. Would you have any owb concealed carry holster recommendations?

[@hrfunk]

Most of the generic small-frame semi-auto nylon holsters out there will probably work as well as most of the holsters intended for the 3913/3914 (although they might be just a little longer than they need to be depending upon the specific holster). Since the CS-9 has now been out of production for roughly 15 years, you might have a hard time finding something new made just for it, but a search of Amazon or eBay may turn up some used options.

[@sawhill729]

@@hrfunk Thank you for the reply. Taking the time to answer and help me out is greatly appreciated. Your reply shows a real class act.

[@hrfunk]

@@sawhill729 My pleasure. Thanks for watching!

[@DanTheWolfman]

Here is an In-depth Review w/ Tabletop then Tons of Shooting on my friend's CS45 I updated to Modern Carry with Fast Night Sights & Higher Capacity Mags kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnuqmWZ6oN1gfJo

[@signal-0productions183]

Our state course is an embarrassment to this series of videos. I knew all along it's a very weak course, but after watching your other videos from other states, I'm really embarrassed. Thanks for the great videos.

[@hrfunk]

You're welcome. Don't feel too bad. Our Ohio course is nothing to write home about.

[@NewWaveFirearms]

As Single-0 Productions said, Florida's qual course is pretty weak. And I agree with him since I qualify under it. It isn't hard at all.

[@bassman7365]

Yak Yak Yak Yak.....get to it