S45VN edge retention testing. What does this newer steel offer on this Spyderco Para 3?

S45VN edge retention testing. What does this newer steel offer on this Spyderco Para 3? I will be able to keep this loaner longer and get a feel for how this steel does in use. Then I'll be able to give a solid comparison on how it is against S30V and S35VN.
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[@TyMalhoneson]

S45vn is the s35vn we needed

[@speedykobac]

Thanks . It is always interesting to watching your videos. I have PM2 Sprint Run in S45 and i am very satisfied. Like you said its very easy to sharpen and takes laser sharp edge. It seams that S45vn has very fine microstructure. It’s great news that you can make HRC testing.

[@brenthokanson4478]

Just bought 3 pm2's with this steel for my grandsons. I hadn't heard very much about it so, I really appreciate your review. Excellent as always thank you!

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@danielschmidtke9213]

I got a PM 2 a few days ago and didn't realize until later they had made the steel switch, so that was nice. There's a surprising lack of info on this version, so good video.

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you

[@jonr1510]

I've been waiting for this one! That's awesome you can run your own hrc tests now. It will be cool to see the hrc numbers with every cardboard test. Thanks G👍

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome, it's going to give me another data point.

[@glockgaston2922]

Good video G!!! S45vn sounds really good so far and I’ll be looking forward to seeing the hrc!! Thanks for sharing brother!!!🍻🍻🥃🥃👊👊

[@BlueCollarSurvival]

Now I'm very interested in S45V!!! Thanks for sharing G🍻🍻🍻

[@rustycleaver8231]

I have been carrying a PM2 in S45VN for a couple of weeks and so far I’m pretty impressed with it. It breezes through various materials and shows no sign of wear on the edge.

[@littlewoody5539]

Glad your back good video.

[@EDCIndiana]

I just won one from BigRedEdc! My first spyderco, compression lock, & S45VN. I'm so excited, great video.

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you and congratulations.

[@edkubinski]

I've been curious about this steel, myself. Thanks for doing this.

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome, thanks for being patient with your ZT testing.

[@BartenderOfDeath]

Your video made me feel good about getting the pm2

[@dr.oetqer]

Looking forward to the more in depth video with your experience.

[@doug1052]

Looking forward to the HRC testing!!

[@vindice5849]

I got an s45vn para 3 for Christman with a magnacut mule, and I'm excited to put it to work!

[@goawaybaizuo]

Thanks so much for the review. Been wondering about s45vn for awhile.

[@andrelol514]

I think i will buy this para 3 version, looks like an amazing upgrade

[@jaystrongbow9435]

That's high praise for the S45vn Gerald, XHP is such a great all around user steel. Thanks for the insight, looks like a really fun steel that will EDC great.

[@Outpost_76]

So far in use its also been good.

[@DrBlazer50]

I agree with you on that. I've always loved the Spyderco Chaparrals and CTS-XHP has always been a steel that I enjoy. I think it's underrated and doesn't get the credit it deserves. But, then again, there are so many great steels nowadays and the prices are excellent. 10 years ago if you told me that decent name brand knives with CTS-XHP, nitro-v, s35vn (45vn didn't even exist back then hahaha), 4v, m390, 20cv, etc, etc would be available for less than $100 I would've laughed in your face. Now we have D2, cpm154 (which is a steel I still love), etc knives selling for under $40 is mind-blowing to me 🤯. I love how much better and cheaper steel keeps getting. I haven't tried out MagnaCut yet, but I'm excited to test it out soon. I have been very impressed with the Vanax on my Quiet Carry Waypoint.

[@holdernewtshesrearin5471]

Agreed. CTS-XHP is just one of those steels that I would be perfectly happy with on any of my knives. Great stuff! It's a shame the market tends to always move to the new. XHP is hard to find these days even though truth be known it's equal to or superior to many of its more popular contemporaries.

[@holdernewtshesrearin5471]

@@DrBlazer50 - I was fortunate enough to find a Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter in CTS-XHP about a year after they changed to CPM-S35VN. I consider it one of my most prized knives. Love XHP!

[@allthingsknives]

My S45vn para 3 is in my pocket today, I can attest that it takes a bester edge than S30v and strops better than S30v. It is one of the only steels I have gotten to hair whittling, and it sharpens for me like 154cm, and I’d bet that it is at least 61 hrc

[@ilzephyrli]

Damn that's a great upgrade to the standard Spyderco models

[@BenoJ3000]

Ohh shit! Nice to see you back Gerald! Z Max on the horizon? Thank you for your hard work and these tests!

[@Outpost_76]

I'm close to done with Z Maxx. It's a ton of work.

[@BenoJ3000]

@@Outpost_76 I can only imagine. Take your time. You're doing the lord's work with these tests. I, and am sure a lot of others, appreciate the hard work and time you put in. Knife community is better because of it. I'd still be buying Lion Steel M390 if it wasn't for you!

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Thanks for sharing 👍🏼 😊

[@KOAnonymously]

I just ordered a PM2 in s45vn I have the pm3 in s45vn and it’s awesome.

[@Outpost_76]

I agree

[@-trmxzer0-235]

I've had pretty good experience with S45VN on my CRK sebenza. once I got a couple sharpenings in it started to shine. Definitely a nice user steel.

[@Outpost_76]

This one has been good this week.

[@maxlvledc]

Oh!!! You can do Rockwell!!! Thats awesome!

[@pop4803]

That looks promising. Thanks

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@ncsEsper]

Everyone knows your vids are in a class by themselves: Excellence. The issue I have is with the Pug. What a GREAT dog! Can’t seem to get enough of his cameos.

[@Outpost_76]

I should make a Pug video of some kind. Maybe an afternoon in Pug life.

[@ncsEsper]

@@Outpost_76 could be fun. Pete made a vid of his car, Basil…800k views. I think it remains his highest rated vid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5PTZZ9-hLaBkJY

[@wattsmichaele]

Excellent !!!

[@wattsmichaele]

Excellent. Your testing is in the minority here on KZbin….great to see actual testing. Thank you.

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@trentsapp731]

Good to hear your voice and see them hairy hands!

[@scottsefton294]

This is a great knife.

[@danielwasused]

with the s45 from now on ill be more likely to get a para3

[@marcmartens4831]

Enjoyed, 👍

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you

[@49giants3]

Hey Gerald, since you said that you can hrc test now , is there any difference between a regular satin finished blade and the dlc coating spyderco uses?

[@butchbilbrey7871]

What are you referring to when you say fine edge and working edge?

[@johnbowen5336]

If it's similar to XHP that's no bad thing. I really like that steel.

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

better stain resistance though

[@joshuabriggs7114]

Nice info G! I have one of the Green Diamond G10 Sprint PM2's that I've not gotten around to using. Nice to see it will probably output my brown S35VN version. Supposed to have better corrosion resistance but not quite the toughness of s35vn. Fine grain too? Am curious to see how it Rockwells. I'm guessing a solid 61.8 ;)

[@Outpost_76]

You were close

[@chefbgordon8892]

It was between para 3 or a bugout for me ended up getting the para 3 my first Spyderco after years of wanting to get one and it’s pretty fidgety tbh lol best $175 I’ve spent in awhile

[@ranger5281]

Interested in HRc numbers for sure.

[@Outpost_76]

It's in the Spyderco hardness testing video from a week or so ago.

[@profesorEDC]

So s45vn will substitute s35vn or s30v? Thanks for the vid Gerald, as always information we all need.😊👍

[@Outpost_76]

For me it's a definite replacement for S35VN, I like it far better.

[@edsaban572]

Para 3 maxemet or s45vn?

[@HinnDeRReR]

cpm s30v vs cpm s45vn?

[@delesdog]

why does he show his hand while testing....i'm so confused

[@caseymoore9737]

Is your right arm bigger than your left arm? Just curious, I'm willing to bet you have sliced more cardboard than anyone ever has

[@sli8462]

If you had to choose between cruwear and s45vn, which would you go with

[@Outpost_76]

I'd pick Cruwear over S45VN.

[@wigglywrigglydoo]

If anybody has s45vn, M4, 20cv. Can you tell which one is best to have?

[@Outpost_76]

Best to have for? What tou use it for will make a difference. How well the heat treat is will also make a difference.

[@kevinAuman1]

I got one of these from the very first batch and it really resembles nitroV to me but that is just my opinion 🤷‍♂️

[@Outpost_76]

I find Nitro V to be useable but it doesn't come close to working for me like S45VN has. I have some videos planned to talk about why this is and why it's not going to be the same for everyone.

[@edc4fun]

Thanks for sharing! I have only one example of S45vn and it’s a light user. I do like it though. That’s cool you can do Rockwell now! I’m curious did you get a king, Wilson, etc?

[@Outpost_76]

I bought a Grizzly machine for now u til I can swing a Wilson or something better. I couldn't ask for it to be any more accurate, against a 62 rc test block and a dozen knives previously tested by Roman and Kurt it's .2 rc different than what they got.

[@edc4fun]

@@Outpost_76 Very cool! That’s not bad at all considering the price difference. Thanks for getting back to me!

[@KOROKIK]

More Pug please 😊❤️🐶

[@EDCIndiana]

How do/did you sharpen it?

[@Outpost_76]

I used 300, 600 and 1500 grit diamond plates at 15 dps.

[@marcelotoledo1820]

How does it fare against P3 S110V ?

[@Outpost_76]

Less wear resistance, more toughness than S110V. S45VN will also have better impact resistance.

[@maxtwentynine5968]

now the s30v"s will become collectable ....oh the good ol s30v she's now a classic

[@nonammmmme]

is it worth the upgrade? From s30v to s45vn? I will need to spend $40 extra approximately

[@Outpost_76]

S45VN is going to be more wear resistant but have equal corrosion resistance to S30V and be close in toughness. If S30V last a good amount of time for you and you are happy how it performs then just keep with it. I'm going to touch on things like this in a video very soon.

[@nonammmmme]

I thought S45Vn has higher corrosion resistance but less in wear resistantce? Do you find it to be harder to sharpen S45VN?

[@Outpost_76]

@@nonammmmme I'll back it up a little. Going from known hardness tests on Spyderco S30V and S45VN, the S30V is usually 59 to 61 and the S45VN was 61.4. Since we know what hardness they usually run these are the take aways. Since the S30V is softer it will have less wear resistance, toughness with a 1 to 1.5 rc hardness spread is going to be about the same. For corrosion resistance the heat treat done plays a part and can have an effect. It's not just a cut and dry that X is better for wear resistance or corrosion resistance. I'll cover it much deeper in a video.

[@nonammmmme]

@@Outpost_76 Thanks man! I am new to this appreciate all the info

[@chimchu3232]

@@nonammmmme in my experience using spydercos with s30v and s45vn, s45vn is about the same to sharpen, but holds an edge a bit longer. They are similar but if I had to choose, s45vn seems to be a bit better all around

[@NicholasMartin92]

Just saying I have one of the sprint runs if you would want to compare them I’m perfectly fine with that it’s a para 3 aswell hrc and all

[@Outpost_76]

Email at the address in the comments and I'll get you my info. Thank you, I appreciate it.

[@NicholasMartin92]

@@Outpost_76 I sent the email my man

[@imopn]

How many cuts would 110V steel do? A direct comparison would be nice

[@doejon9424]

This steel will go far, I predict. s30v will still be around for a "premium budget steel" but it will make s35vn obsolete for the most part. Chris Reeve Knives has also upgraded to s45vn, moving forward.

[@ranger5281]

S45VN is likely to be very much displaced by Magnacut, which is all around a better balanced blade steel. Watch CRK for the switch, both folders and fixed blades.

[@doejon9424]

@@ranger5281 This sure didn't ahe well.. Magnacut hype is over. It can be bought everywhere now. S45vn is still going strong.

[@Sharpbevel]

How do you cut so even and smoothly?😂

[@Outpost_76]

Tens of thousands of cuts will make it happen.

[@jlogue751]

HA. I have a knife pug also! Lol

[@airwolf2001]

I'll take S45 over the M390 family any day of the week.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Well at least it's slightly better than s35vn and 14c28n. Still a budget class steel IMHO. I'll stick with 300+ class steels.

[@Outpost_76]

That's pretty much what I carry with only a couple exceptions

[@chimchu3232]

Budget steel? Come on, these knives cost almost $200. A budget knife is like, $25-$75 and comes in 420hc or 8cr13mov

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@chimchu3232 think about what your getting in performance. Break away from names of steels.

[@chimchu3232]

@@tacticalcenter8658 I guess to each their own, but I think it's ridiculous to call s45vn a budget steel. I grew up using cheap Kershaw and Gerber knives, so s30v alone is a huge step up for me into a higher class of steel. S45vn works far better than any knife I've ever had. They are nowhere near budget steel for me, and I'm not interested in paying over $300 for a pocket knife. Not trying to argue or disrespect, but I don't think most people see it that way. For most people a budget knife is less than $100. Again, to each their own. I guess if all you use is magnacut or maxemet then maybe s45vn does seem budget to you, but most people are on the other side of the situation where s45vn is an expensive step up for them

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@chimchu3232 its not to each their own. Look at the data. 14c28n is a budget steel. Its cheap and plentiful and easy to heat treat. Its on lots of China knives in knives around $50-60. Now compare that to s45vn which has a similar edge retention. You may gain some performance but pay much more. The whole industry is stupid. They don't account for performance and they don't care much about heat treatment, they care about how many knives they can make and sell through marketing.