Cruwear and S90V DLT PM2 edge retention testing. How did this pair do compared to others?

Cruwear and S90V DLT PM2 edge retention testing. How does each compare to other production steels? What do you think of yours if you have one and how has it been in use for you?
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[@NeevesKnives]

Always great content! We are lucky to have a gent like you in this community 👊 👍

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you

[@clavididk1236]

Ayee badassery

[@poncho151]

It blows my mind that there are users/enthusiasts/collectors out there who are so into knives and more specifically super steels but they don’t know how to sharpen and instead send them away to get a warranty factory belt sharpening. Not to mention that the factory is going to take off way more steel with the belt than you could with multiple sharpening. I guess it will really insure that their factory edge is fully burnt and providing the least amount of performance in their highly revered super steel! All jokes aside, listen to the man and learn to sharpen folks, the performance increase is almost hard to fathom until you experience it first hand! Also in my opinion it really adds another level of appreciation and pride to your knife and can be a great sub-hobby within an already great hobby. As always great video!

[@Outpost_76]

I agree and thank you.

[@jolness1]

Honestly, they get the impression that most people who insist on the very highest Edge retention do so because they do not know how to sharpen. I'd rather have a knife but was something that's considered lower end like vg10 and know how to sharpen by hand over the highest Edge holding steel and not have a clue. Some who knows what they are doing, you could make even something that is borderline terrible(420HC or something) last many many years of heavy use.

[@pcxdrone]

I WANT to learn how to sharpen. But after spending fat too much time on YT looking at so many conflicting approaches I am lost. Who do you recommend to learn from. So far I have been stroppping to maintain my factory edge. But it won't last forever. I want to hand sharpen or use a system. What do you recommend?

[@EastCoastMan603]

@@pcxdrone neeves knives

[@DavidLedbetter12]

ok this is out there, but does anyone else see an optical illusion when you look at the “way” on the part “going to take off way more steel”?

[@alexanderbertallo1995]

Thank you for all the testing and sharing it! S90V from Spyderco performs so well in your tests... Much love from Switzerland

[@johnsellers1272]

The one steel I have yet to own. I need some S90V in my life! Great video G.

[@TD1mkiddwest94]

I just bought the DLT exclusive teal g10 pm2 with the satin s90v blade I love it thanks for your review

[@mynamesjeff347]

When I hear someone like you talk about sharpening it makes me feel like I'm just flat out ruining my knives when I sharpen them

[@profesorEDC]

Great vid G as always. Thanks❗

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@TheLoxapac]

I have a Benchmade Bugout carbon fiber/ S90v (1 year of everyday use) and i have to say that i am really pleased by this steel...

[@SpankyK]

Thanks for the vida. Knowledge is power!

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@ricksmith7232]

I always thought the higher the hardness, the better the edge retention. I guess that’s not always the case. Great review on two really cool DLT exclusive para 2s

[@johnpawly1849]

I’ve been considering buying a spider but don’t know to much about knife steels but you have brought some light to a very broad subject thank you

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@dr.oetqer]

Thanks for sharing. I really enjoy using Cruwear, it's tough and keeps an edge for a good amount of time while it's easy to sharpen and strop back.

[@Outpost_76]

I agree

[@wigglywrigglydoo]

Any strop back techniques, thanks

[@dr.oetqer]

@@wigglywrigglydoo Just the standard stropping techniques should do the trick. In the case of CruWear like the edge not too polished, a bit of bite is working better for me with CruWear, but it's all personal.

[@rctrue]

Spyderco has been on point with their heat treatment

[@ftlaud911]

Just got same S90v model today. Looking forward to using/testing it out. S90v is one of my favorite steels. I would expect cruwear to shine in toughness vs s90v.

[@Outpost_76]

S90V while not tough compared to tool steels its still pretty good compared to S110V and the M390/20CV/204p steels.

[@rickkerans8485]

Teally like seeing some of the cutting but find the actual results to bel of the most value. Always enjoy seeing what a properly hardened knife can do versus one that isn't properly hardened. Thanks for sharing the results.

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome

[@ilzephyrli]

Love me some S90V

[@lindboknifeandtool]

Excited for the crucarta pm2. Great modding potential. Beater knife for sure.

[@littlewoody5539]

Good video 🇺🇸🇺🇸 !

[@Outpost_76]

Thanks

[@nandayane]

I just ordered the DLT knife, they were on crazy discount (Black Friday was amazing for spyderco knives, I must have picked up 5 models that I have had my eye on at $30-80 below their their regular sale prices) The fit and finish on those ones is nice.

[@Outpost_76]

I sawsome of those prices and they were good.

[@anthonycapo1998]

Jesus I was not expecting the s90v to do that well. I may look at getting a knife in that steel.

[@timothybecker8605]

That S90!!!

[@matusknives]

Love watching your videos, thank you. I can’t wait for the Cru-Carta PM2 to come out (2nd hand PM2 or P3 command crazy high prices). Any chance you testing the Teal P3 LW in S90V?

[@Outpost_76]

You're welcome. I am glad the PM2 in Cruwear will be regular production. It's too bad the secondary is so high on the ones out there. Glad I got a Cruwear Para 3 when they were available .

[@Outpost_76]

Unless someone sends me one on loan I won't be. I do have the cf S90V Para 3 and I'll test it at some point.

[@aah4764]

Hi! Thanks for another great video! Have you tested any Cru-carta Shamans? If so, how’d they test? Also, have you seen any hardness tests of them? I’ve only seen one, the one that was gifted to Kurt. It was a disappointing 59 hrc. Since that’s too small of a sample size, I’m hoping you’ve seen more. Thanks!

[@clavididk1236]

Just got the purple pm2 it's amazing 🔥 dlt has them for 182 and para 3s dor 187. The yojimbo 2s sold out. 😔 😢

[@dlrmon1]

Man...I’m going to have to start a KZbin channel! Then maybe I’d be able to get my hands on some of those blades...lol. Did just receive a Cruwear Bark River fixed blade so I’m good for a few weeks...

[@georgebenton8245]

Great video I appreciate you doing the testing the effort. I like both steels. How does s110v compare to s90v? Have ever tested one in Elmax?

[@Outpost_76]

Thank you. S110V in production knives has very similar edge retention to S90V. I do have some S110V and S90V head to head testing coming. I've only tested one Elmax so far and that's an older ZT. I may test some of the newer GMK stuff that uses Elmax and see how it's done.

[@ncsEsper]

I love your vids, but...damn, that dog is a scene stealer.

[@Outpost_76]

I agree

[@-trmxzer0-235]

I feel like the grape Cru-wear Manix is done really well in sharpening and use it feels like a different animal from my smooth g10 Cru-wear that tested at 62 maybe slightly harder or maybe just a better heat treatment? I wish I could've grabbed one of those S90V pm2s. Can't wait to see what the XHP shaman does.

[@Outpost_76]

The difference in sharpening between my 62 rc and mid 63 rc Cruwear Manix is noticeable. They definitely feel different. Even a half point in hardness feels different on the stones with Cruwear. I like that there is an XHP Shaman but with having M4, Z Wear and Rex 45 I passed on it.

[@-trmxzer0-235]

@@Outpost_76 I agree 1 point makes a big difference especially as you move up the scale. I just had the M4 and Rex 45 so I grabbed the XHP as well I'm digging it feels awesome as XHP always should.

[@Z3Inc]

Excellent video. New sub here. Sorry if I missed but what grit were you finishing with for the tests where you sharpened the knives?

[@Outpost_76]

All edges are eun at 15 dps and 1500 grit. Stropped on 6, 3 and 1 micron 5 passes per side. If for some reason a test is run at a different grit or angle I'll make note of it in that particular video.

[@Z3Inc]

@@Outpost_76 Awesome and I appreciate the reply!

[@jolness1]

CruWear is one of the coolest sounding steel names in my opinion. The new Magna-Cut is cool too

[@ericpitre4031]

Spydie is highly overated. Same for benchmade. Kiser, Kubey, even Eafengrow have same or better knives. And locks. Hey if yu dig um thats cool. I cant. Bought an “Endura”, $80 big ones and gave that cheap P O S to my teen daughter for shits N giggles. Never another penny for either of those two”companies”.◀️period

[@josephpagee3977]

It was 80 bucks. Get a Pm2 or Manix 2 and see what you think about them. Me personally I will never buy a made in China knife when I can get made in the USA.

[@vindice5849]

Ordered the dlc cruwear manix yesterday I missed my dlt one so much I had to try another! Not sure how I feel about smooth g10 but will see when it comes. Did you spring for that one? I barely got my m390 manix sold in time to make the order before they were gone

[@Outpost_76]

The smooth g10 is nice, I like it and have 5 others with it. The Burl S90V feels about the same as the smooth g10. I do have one coming, not that I needed another Manix but it's Cruwear.

[@vaugith1719]

Nice. I've got that crupm2 and the lil native s90v. Always cool to see you test knives I've got. The crupm2 having a smaller bevel at the same angle means it's thinner behind the edge and therefore a better geometry for the steel, right? I had no idea their primary grinds varied that much. Cruwear is a great candidate for a thin edge. Interesting!

[@Outpost_76]

The grinds seem to vary a little. Out of my Para 3's the 4V and S90V are both thinner than all the others. Every once in a while you find a thinner one, not by a huge amount but thinner. Out of my 30 Manix they also vary, the older ones are thicker. My 2011 M4 and 2014 Cruwear are both thicker than the newer ones.

[@darrenkirk6576]

Awesome test and results.... thankyou mate... 🍻.... I also noted that my DLT cruwear pm2 had a stickier edge than the DLT o.d green s90v from factory.... But your results are outstanding... its really good to have, use, then listen and watch your tests on these steels.... In terms of hardness tho... ( one has to consider geometry) .. say a blade in S90v is at 60 hrc... and a similar blade in the same steel is @ 64... would you expect the higher hrc to out perform the lower one???? Curious to know your thoughts..... as always... gr8 veiwing mate..🍻👍👊

[@CNYKnifeNerd]

I have a s90v custom at 63.7 HRC and haven't really noticed much difference between that and any of my production S90V, which hasnt been tested but I'm sure is nowhere near that number. S90V is my favorite stainless and I've done a ton of testing with it, and owned a ton of knives with it. In other steels, that difference could would translate to a performance improvement that would be easily noticeable in day to day use, but I haven't seen it in s90v, across several different brands.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

Hrc does not dictate performance per say. Its more complicated than that. And a manufacturer can raise hrc without actually gaining any performance depending on the heat treatment protocol. The protocol is key. I've seen better protocols at 60hrc out perform knives at 61+hrc with different protocols. So basically you can't really determine much from hrc. With that said spyderco USA use the same protocol and have a variance in hrc for a specific steel... And a lower hrc often will perform lower. There is also a point of the slope where too high an hrc will under perform even with a good protocol, you can often see this in Larins article's. Anyways all sorts of factors matter when comparing steel types and hrc etc.you can't just go off of hrc. Cause a large majority of steels are heat treated to approximately 60hrc and a fair amount do not match in performance in the least. Ie s35vn at 60hrc is around 150 ft cut and s90v at 60hrc is around 400 range. Huge difference. Spydercos m390 at 60hrc is around 300 and spydercos m390 at 62hrc is around 600 range. But if spyderco were to go 63 or 64 it might degrade in performance. (Yet be be seen, don't think there are samples of this, but as Larins charts usually point out, there is a point where it regresses.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

A good video to watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpXRnH-OYtWKn80

[@darrenkirk6576]

@@tacticalcenter8658 thanks mate for your response.. its very interesting to note how different types of steels react to different types of heat treats... watching and listening to Dr Larrin Thomas and BBB , is fascinating,, and learning about carbide content vs hardness... soo much comes into play.... thanks again for your response 👍👊

[@Outpost_76]

@@darrenkirk6576 Tactical Center covered it. My M390 PM2 at 62 rc tested well but my custom M390 from kknives_switzerland at 62 rc out cut the Spyderco by 24%. Smae hardness wildly different results. I do have some custom S90V I'll finish the video on and it's eye opening as well and adds to why I like S90V so much. Look back at the Reate and Shirogorov M390 videos, all 3 came close to the Spyderco M390 at 62 yet only tested between 60 and 61.

[@cfltitan]

The Cruwear scales are sick! Is that their blurple color? It’s hard to get a real world idea what they’ll really look like in person from the doctored up pictures they have on the sites like blade hq and knife center.

[@Outpost_76]

It is purple but a dark purple, much different color than the S110V. There is actually a color variation within the Dlt Cruwear purple, some are a little lighter than others. If you email, it's in the description I can send a picture of the 2 Dlt colors side by side.

[@cfltitan]

@@Outpost_76 ok thank you!

[@sethprice241]

Hey there. I was wondering if you have tried the Endela Cruwear? If so how did it turn out? Also are you going to do a video on it? Thank you.

[@Outpost_76]

I have not, it was a great deal though. I have the Seki Delica sprint and the DLT Dragonfly in Cruwear that will be tested. I like the Endura better so I passed on the Endela. If the Endura doesn't end up in Cruwear soon I'm going to rebkade onw of mine myself.

[@dannysees]

Have you noticed coated blades are usually lower hardness per same manufacturer? WE/Civivi states it but haven't seen it from others directly. Seems to be a trend though.

[@Pensnmusic]

Doesn't the coating put limitations on the heat treat process? I'm far from an expert, but I prefer uncoated unless the steel is very prone to rust.

[@edwardschofield6692]

Great video shocked by S90v test.Any signs of chipping on any of your testing on either steel? Very informative.Thanks

[@Outpost_76]

Yoi can go back and see more S90V testing. I ran a S90V Manix at 62 hrc and it's the same S90V I chopped with. Did apex impact and stability testing on.

[@Outpost_76]

I've yet to run in to issues with S90V and Cruwear is leaps ahead in edge stability and impact resistance over S90V. Cruwear is a great user you can be rough with and not have to really worry about any issues.

[@edwardschofield6692]

Thanks for info.I'll check it out.

[@Outpost_76]

@@edwardschofield6692 there is a reason Benchmade and some custom makers use S90V for outdoors knives. While it wouldn't be one I'd want a chopper out of it has enough stability to be a good all around camp knife or meat processing blade. Benchmade has the Saddle Mountain and Hidden Canyon in S90V. Both very capable blades.

[@edwardschofield6692]

Man great work,looked at your other video much tuffet than I anticipated.Thank you for the note on Benchmades,which I also like

[@wattsmichaele]

Would you be willing to sharpen some PM2’s of mine? I am unable to use one hand because of injuries and also lost use of one eye. No sob story just letting you know why I do not try to sharpen or even strop knives anymore. Thanks..And excellent work on your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@Outpost_76]

Use my email in the description and get in touch with me.

[@barkingspider2007]

Why coat S90v? Great video... Thanks again : )

[@Outpost_76]

Its for looks in my opinion, it needs no coating in reality.

[@Outpost_76]

Its for looks in my opinion, it needs no coating in reality.

[@gswguy4554]

If someone wanted to learn how to sharpen their own knives and turn it into a hobby…. Where would you start to learn how to do it? What sharpening to do you use? I’m abit nervous I’d screwup my blade? I have some beater knives I can practice on like my Chinese spyderco and some low end steel will? Got some nice knives I want to take care of?

[@Outpost_76]

The biggest issue you will have to get past is the fear of messing up a knife. Pick which way you want to sharpen, freehand or guided. For freehand a King K80 250/1000 bench stone is a great starter and under 20$. If you want to go the guided route start with a good system. Either way has learning curves so neither will be a fast start over the other.

[@wigglywrigglydoo]

How do the Magnacut and Maxamet compare?

[@Outpost_76]

Nothing in common really. Maxamet being a tool steel with very high wear resistance and Magnacut being a stainless with decent toughness, edge stability and wear resistance. Even the best custom Magnacut I've tested so far is 40% behind Maxamet in wear resistance and at 65 Magnacut is taking a dive on toughness. I'm going to do 1 more general Magnacut video after I test the last 3 I have right now.

[@jordanp2505]

I’m a knife guru, but can someone explain to me what DLT means?? Thank you!

[@peytonkellar4621]

It’s the name of a knife retailer

[@sethprice241]

P.S. asking for a friend who owns one already.

[@user-df6lp8zw4g]

CRUWEAR will rust like no tomorrow.