SAAB vs Mercedes 190 E. Sound damaged first 90 seconds.

[@latitude9.5north54]

You have done an excellent job retrieving so many SAAB films and videos. This from a die-hard SAAB aficionado since the 1950s. Thank you all!!

[@dect1323]

I Still see 190s driven Daily!!! haven't seen a saab from that Area in 15 years🤷🏻‍♂️ that tells it all ❗

[@MMSaabChannel]

Oh we have Saabs driving but since many workshops have ended with Saab many owners sell them sadly. Buy yes 190 is build to last 😍

[@donmacedone]

Frankly, this video looks like a proper Mercedes commercial to me. And yes, I admire SAAB very much.

[@martinsv9183]

5:10 Noone has ever made more clear and easy to read instruments than that. The complete opposite to what is claimed in video it is p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y suited for exactly night driving because you have the e-x-a-c-t same glow in the instruments as the headlights give on the road. So there is absolutely no eye adjustment needed whatsoever for color nor intensity when looking between road and those instruments.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@@martinsv9183 whether you prefer the Saab ones or the Mercedes ones, I think we can all agree that both are so much better than the awful bright distracting screens of modern cars!

[@martinsv9183]

@@nuttycommuter3718 That is correct :)

[@worawatli8952]

It's subjective, if you're less sensitive to glare, it's not an issue, but for someone with astigmatism, even glasses didn't help much, so green backlit in Saab is much nicer to look at. Astigmatism make lines blurry and it's very distracting with extra lines floating in your vision.

[@LolTollhurst]

​@@worawatli8952Someone with astigmatism, like myself, will not be found driving a car without prescription glasses. It is a nonissue.

[@martinsv9183]

@@worawatli8952 Its absolutely 0 eye stray in the MB. Exactly same as looking at the road. And its not backlit either. Lights from the front so just reflection of light. Just like on the road. The light is not even shinig into your eyes directly. Impossible to improve.

[@DsFk80s]

Simple, straightforward and interesting. No confusing technology.

[@ruicvt]

There is no comparison between the two, seriously. I drove both in the nineties and the Mercedes is on another level in robustness, quality and security. Only the performance is better in Saab.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

I’m surprised that you found such a difference. The 900 was good for half a million miles and was incredibly well built. Were you driving the GM 900?

[@larszenthio1012]

The comfort and driving feeling in a Mercedes 190E is like sitting in a church pew in a 70s German car. Stiff and uncomfortable. Mercedes has never been much of a winter car either. More than 5 cm of snow and you have trouble getting started. SAAB, on the other hand, has seats designed by orthopedists and the driving pleasure comes as soon as you release the clutch and press the gas. Better comfort is hard to find in a passenger car in the 90s, even on long journeys, all season long. Have driven all types of cars since the late 70's and still prefer SAAB. Driven SAAB since 1977. 😎👍

[@ruicvt]

@nuttycommuter3718 You're correct, it was the 900 with the Opel Vectra platform. But I assumed, due to the age of the project, that this older generation was no better.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@ you’d have hoped, but unfortunately the GM 900 was nowhere near as good as the previous generation. You can hear it in the way the doors close. I haven’t driven the Mercedes, but for “robustness”, the original 900 is up there with the best there is. When the 99 (from which the 900 was born) went rallying it didn’t need a roll cage for safety. It had to have one for regs, but the roof was strong enough. For a decent amount of time, the engines for the 900 were built in Scania’s factory. They go on forever and ever.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@@larszenthio1012 I remember reading Car magazine when I was 12/13 (early 90’s) and then saying “SAAB seats are the best you will find in any car”. The best ones I’ve ever had were the ones in my 900 T8; the velour ones in my first 9000 weren’t quite as good as those and the leather in my next 9000 not quite as good as the velour and the leather in my 9-5 not quite as good as the leather in my 9000. It’s tiny degrees though. I still get in my 9-5 and go “ooh yes”

[@alfacorse]

Very honest and useful video for Saab sales people. The video doesn't degrade the 190 E, like other car manufacturers videos or brochures do with rival cars. I don't get old school Mercs, for me they are very unappealing unless they are top of the range models loaded with extras. That 190 2.0 with hubcups and manual transmission has zero interest to me. I would have bought a NA 900 instead of that 190 E in the blink of an eye, even if for the price of a basic 190 E probably I could have bought a 900 Turbo.

[@larsblankenfjell9814]

Underbar Video!!!!

[@Thehunter85]

Thats bollocks, SAAB was better in any possible way.

[@ULTRA_2112]

@@Thehunter85 Diese Aussage ist Blödsinn. Ich bin Saab Freund und hatte einen Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.0 Sportline. Der Saab ist nicht in jeder Hinsicht besser, auch der Mercedes hat erhebliche Vorteile. Ich würde beide Autos wieder kaufen.

[@Thehunter85]

@@ULTRA_2112 My father had an 190e, and it was totally sh*t to drive in winter and snow, although we had new winter tires!! We never had such problem.on our 9000 or 9-5!

[@ULTRA_2112]

@@Thehunter85 And I had a 190E Sportline as a new car in northern Germany. This rear-wheel drive car was fantastically smooth to drive on the German motorways and the workmanship was absolutely top-notch. You simply don't get such smooth steering at high speeds with front-wheel drive vehicles and the four-cylinder engines can't even come close to the smoothness of a six-cylinder. As I said, I'm a Saab fan and actually wanted to buy the Saab 900 16S Aero as a three-door sedan in the early 1990s. Due to the thin Saab dealer network, I ended up buying the Mercedes-Benz. But I won't let the Mercedes-Benzes from the late 1980s to 1993 be portrayed as bad vehicles. In my experience, these cars were among the best that could be bought in the automotive sector. Of course, I also drove the 190E with winter tires on ice and snow and you have to be able to drive them. For novice drivers, a front-scratcher is certainly easier to drive, but you should know one basic rule. If the rear-wheel drive vehicle skids on a slippery road, immediately disengage the clutch and the vehicle will travel straight again.

[@Thehunter85]

@@ULTRA_2112 OK, I can see your point. Dont want to soud arrogant. If you look at it the other way around, In the 80s and 90s Saab was using turbocharged engines per deafult. With smaller engine displacement they had equal power and quite often more torque than equivalent competition from Mercedes or BMW (not talking about Audi), which related to lower fuel consumption, lower taxes, better passing and overtaking times, much better (not talking 0-100 kmh), and better tuning potential. To get same performance and power as my dad's 9000 aero, we had to buy a german V8 at least, which would cost more and have higher runimg costs. And that car was so smoooth as any v6, or v8, didnt have the sound of one though :) SAAB were way ahead of competition, just majority of people didn't see that. Fast forward 40 years and lets talk turbo charging now, where every car manufacturer including Mercedes has at least 1 turbo, in some cases 2-3 turbos. And of course than comes safety, in which the swedes were pioneers a lot of times. Cheers

[@xxrs2009]

Wow this vid is a true gem, thank you for uploading! Do you have an episode with my Audi 100 c3 from that era?

[@MMSaabChannel]

Hello, your welcome not the C3 but only earlier model Audi 100. But that would have been interesting. The Audio C3 is a rare to see model tcis days sadly.

[@xxrs2009]

@@MMSaabChannel Yeah they're getting rare. Here in Holland you see a lot of saabs, mostly newer 900 / 9-3's.

[@AlexBuiuc]

Magnificient Video Performance of Tine Lufe❤

[@hansscholl7355]

Das einzige was sich der Mercedes Gefallen lassen muss, ist das kleinwagen format. wieviel 190er sind noch weltweit unterwegs, und wieviel Saab. Und Saab hat sich mit der GM selbst geopfert. Gut, bei Mercedes kommt das noc, die nächsten 3 Jahre!

[@DrCharlesMontague]

As a lover of both brands, I feel this was a fair comparison. The 190E still had its own appeal if it was the car you wanted, but the Saabs did shine pretty brightly, especially in terms of bang for the buck. Saab owners back then were indeed highly educated.

[@9000se]

Saab 900 are excellent cars, always aspired to get one. Clutches are super easy to change.

[@halvaraspegren7635]

Too bad the gearboxes had to be changed just about as often as every other car needed a new clutch shitty construction stupid way to build with the engine mounted for rwd but the rest for fwd.

[@workman122]

Ah yes the old SAAB, is the "thinking mans Mercedes" spiel. Except that any sensible thinking man would have actually chosen the 190E.

[@MMSaabChannel]

Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

[@rikiorikio9368]

The Best part of the video was the first 90 seconds

[@MMSaabChannel]

@@rikiorikio9368 Yes hard to hear Mercedes 😂

[@jimmyjones9780]

Where are Saab now? .... And where are Mercedes now?

[@MMSaabChannel]

@@jimmyjones9780 Good question Jimmy. The Mercedes is a taxi in Algeria and the Saab is with a car entusiast in Sweden 😀

[@DarkoFitCoach]

@@MMSaabChannel saab is bankrupt and mercedes is selling worldwide. thats what happened you failed to mention that mercedes isnt taxi in algeria but luxury driven by americans, europeans and asians. Still stands for quality and good craft and impeccable image your love for saab is making you partial and blind to facts. reality talks and market didnt want Saab but mercedes

[@joecutro7318]

Such a super blast from the past Marcus and Manuela! Tack så mycket. I love this retro stuff. It makes me feel 30 years younger. 😂 The objectivity of this was aimed at educating the Saab salesforce. Knowing your competition's strong and weak points was key to being as educated as your customers. Saab customers were indeed an educated group as the video suggests. I have owned a 1983 C900 Turbo and still own a 2007 9-3 2.0t. The difference between the "native" Saab and the post GM Saab is quite distinct, but still far superior to the Opels and Fiats I have driven when in Europe. I came from a staunch Mercedes family. There is still a 1959 219 in our family barn which I have driven extensively when I was young. (Same body style as the older Benz in the video) We also had a 1974 280 sedan. The build qualitty was very high, but the supportive seats and "drive feeling" of the Saabs wins me over every time. Sadly, the build quality of Mercedes has sunk to levels I never imagined. My brother's 2010 GL250 is riddled with build quality issues. Fun fact, while developing the 190 series "Baby Benz", the engineers at Mercedes were told the only way that car would be approved for production would be if it would be indistinguishable to the dtiver from an S Class. I'm not sure they accomplished that, but the later versions with the larger engines and racing suspensions were far closer to that objective than the model demonstrated in this video. Congrats to all who made it to the end of this VERY LONG COMMENT! I hope I didn't bore you too much. 😂❤ Viva Saab!!

[@MMSaabChannel]

@@joecutro7318 Your welcome 😍 haha indeed it was long but passion for cars is a part of our identity. It's so Great story. Such a shame with the build quality the old 190's will outlive us all 😂 Thank you 😀

[@antonioroncone8179]

I came here after watching old 190 e MB´S in Mauritania riding around there

[@RickLane-x4j]

Mercedes 190 E still stunning. My name is Marcus as well from Holland 🙂

[@MMSaabChannel]

Many Dutch people have gone Saab it is not to late Marcus 😜

[@RickLane-x4j]

@@MMSaabChannel Saab & Volvo are topcars. I had a wine red Volvo 244 GL and now a Mercedes B 180. Nice car but we must admit: too much plastic for the money 🙂

[@Backwardlooking]

Still have the 93 190E.

[@G928...]

"Oh lord won't you buy me a" ....saab, nope clearly doesn't work. 😄

[@IrenESorius]

👍‍‍🌟👍‍‍

[@wtp6128]

사브를 운전하지 못하고 자동차를 논한다는것은 너무나도 아쉬운 일이다.

[@MMSaabChannel]

It's never to late to get a Saab 😍

[@mattleger7959]

I feel like it's a smear campaign. I had a 190 and now have a Saab. I would trade to get back my 190E any day.

[@MMSaabChannel]

It's a video made by Saab 😀 I still think they are pretty nice. Well that is to sad maybe you're not a Saab guy :(

[@GiancarloBenzina]

Saab failed. Mercedes still run. Actually if a swedish car I‘d choose the Saab 99 or the Volvo PV444/544. But the MB190E was the best car I had (including my very good Saab9-3).

[@MMSaabChannel]

What will be next european car brand to go bankcrupt? Germany will always save there brands but for how long?

[@joserasak]

mercedes w201 was not good in any item, many cons but still today people love to drive them. many other cars were better, but most off them are not on the road any more, 190 its still there.

[@MMSaabChannel]

Yes lot's of them are still taxis in africa! Probably worth more there then in Europe! Good car!

[@joserasak]

@@MMSaabChannel Saab was one off the best manufactures off all time. Unfortunately most off customers never realize the quality and safety. Most of us prefer led, tablets etc. But now it’s too late 😔

[@robinoconnor1203]

If I could buy a new 900 Turbo 16V, I would do without hesitation. Really I want the red 9000 Aero that's in the Saab Museum! Have you ever found a film about the Saab 90, I used to own one, I know they were made by Valmet in Finland, that included a lot of local content to qualify as a home market Finnish car. They are very rare now, I don't think the Museum has one.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@@robinoconnor1203 a new T16s would be amazing! When I had my 900 T8, there was an advert for a 1 owner 900 Carlsson in Le Man blue with grey leather. The advert said “yes we know that they’re red, black and white, but this was a special order and we have the order form”. I would have given anything to get that car!

[@robinoconnor1203]

@@nuttycommuter3718 Sadly its a fantasy that will never happen. There are a few special colours out there. In early 2020 I purchased a new BMW 440i coupe. Its a great car, I still own it. It was a bitter sweet moment. I had the cash to buy a New Saab, but sadly they were gone. I had recently discovered the New generation 9-5 estate, I believed to have secured in RHD form, had been scrapped, along with other prototypes, or so I was told!

[@nuttycommuter3718]

@ I was lucky a couple of years ago to pick up my current 2005 9-5 with just 34k miles on the clock. After being used as the main car for a little while, it now lives a pampered life in the garage, gets serviced every six months and only comes out for fun stuff. Never going to sell it and I’m lucky to have access to two great Saab specialists. The 9-5 isn’t quite as amazing as the 9000 or the 900, but it’s still a fantastic car and I love it

[@massimotudor]

Saab

[@Master_Mind76]

Well if Saab was the thing to be where it is today?

[@MMSaabChannel]

Unlike all the other car brands that where bailed out after 2008 financial crises Saab did not get any help. And yes this is the facts!

[@halvaraspegren7635]

​@@MMSaabChannelthey did get more help than any other brands though, Saab was never making enough money ever, they failed bcs they always was too odd and tried to compete in the wrong areas, sure they had some really good ideas, but they also had a lot of really stupid shit going on wich they refused to improve, like rubbersheets under the front seats that broke in every single one of them, gearboxes breaking down frequently, frontwheels pulled back in the sitting area so you had to sit with your legs a bit to the right and so on...

[@nuttycommuter3718]

Back at the time this video was made, Saab’s customer loyalty was second only to Mercedes

[@MMSaabChannel]

Nah Mercedes is old man or foreign man car 😂 Audi, BMW was worse.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

Mercedeses are dull but with a 900 its actually a fair competition. Comparing a Benz or 900 against BMW like many do, is just clueless.

[@pierrehansson7877]

Compare the E190 to Saab 9000. 😁

[@DashCamSerbia]

And today SAAB does not even exist and Mercedes makes infotaiment on wheels. 👎

[@watannen]

i call BS on this ...

[@marcmercedes2707]

Anti german mercedes journalist 😮

[@MMSaabChannel]

Journalist? It's Saab video 😍

[@RaoulDukeOnTheList]

The Saabs sold in the USA during the 90s were quite possibly some of the worst vehicles ever manufactured. My '94 Toyota Corolla outlasted my ex's Saab 9000 by 12 years and 120,000 miles. That Saab was absolutely awful

[@MMSaabChannel]

Saab 9000 had it's problems the OG 900 2,1 was a wonderful car same with OG 95.

[@napraznicul]

Main advantages: Front wheels drive which offer BETTER HANDLIND in poor road conditions.." 😂😂😂.. LOOOOL. Fwd offer only MORE MONEY for producer, as well as that train-like rear axle 😂 Who t.f. would ever buy an ABERRATION from physique point of view, made for economy and a lot of bullshit for customers instead of Mercedes Benz?! A MAN would never do such a stupid thing.