SAAB / War Thunder

[@Ash007YT]

I will admit I have a soft spot for Saab.

[@michaelcarter5222]

Same tbh

[@PerriThePlatyPilot]

It‘s not just you mate

[@carterchiaramonte7584]

I love their old cars

[@thefurnace7929]

saab makes me happy

[@felion_]

Low tier Sweden: *F U N* High tier Sweden: *Repair cost is over NINE THOUSANDDDDDD*

[@KamiRecca]

My favorite and least favorite swedish airplane: JAS39 Gripen. I love it because its simply epic. I hate it because i live in an area with a active airspace, and those fudgers dont care that im asleep when they come zooming by.

[@jordanlee9001]

But you have to admit, you love seeing them…

[@KamiRecca]

@@jordanlee9001 Oh yes, of course. I just not always love hearing them XD

[@Betto_333]

lol id rather not sleeep to hear and see those jets lol

[@KamiRecca]

@@Betto_333 you think that, and you agree with it the 20 first times. then not so much ^^

[@Betto_333]

@@KamiRecca hahahahahahahahha

[@steakinbacon8593]

Watched 5 F-5's get destroyed by 2 vigens yesterday. It was the most glorious thing I had seen in war thunder in a long time.

[@AlmightyDude420]

I killed 3 Viggens in a row in my F-8. The F-8 kinda clubs it, but that is probably due to how the Crusader specifically performs. Viggen is still a pretty good 11.0 though, but better against planes like Phantoms and MiG-23s.

[@CmdrTyrael]

I did that in 1 Viggen 🤣. Amazingly fun top tier aircraft, And an excellent missile bus. Stock grind was horrible at 11.0 as it is with most aircraft 🤣

[@mills9402]

I clobbered 3 of them in my vigen

[@whosthatpenguin2]

@@Stormstykerhow

[@swedishwildlife916]

Länge lever Sverige

[@karansedai5603]

Sweden could not get more planes Also Sweden : fine I will do it myself

[@WARVIATION]

Wow Bill Nye the science guy howdya come up with that meme?

[@iicustodianlaw]

Sweden is gud

[@WARVIATION]

@@iicustodianlaw yep

[@SonsOfLorgar]

And for the aircraft engines we reverse engineered and replicated during ww2, the government set up a royalties escrow account that was paid out to the patent owning US and Brittish companies after the war. I don't know if Bofors and Nobel dynamit AB demanded royalties for the corresponding US and UK production of the 40mm m/36 AA gun and it's ammo or if that was a pre-war contract already established in a way that could be easily extended with a few diplomatic telegrams or dispatches possible even in the middle of the war.

[@WARVIATION]

@@SonsOfLorgar thanks for telling us! i rly like learning more about WWII and planes especially

[@Ghost0fPakistan]

I used to have a neighbor who worked for Saab, he was stationed at my country during the SAAB2000 ERIEYE deliveries.

[@deathmacke9474]

When Bruce pronounced "jaktfalken". That was the best I have ever heard from a non swedish person

[@callebona3640]

Lol I was just about to comment that, I literally needed to rewatch that part, I was like huh… Jaktfalken

[@zerrierslizer1]

i'm Norwegian, and even i was surprised on how accurate he pronounced it!

[@goat6411]

What time in the video did he say it?

[@deathmacke9474]

@@goat6411 1:53

[@pancake5830]

thats because they know people will get furious if they dont pronounce it to a tee

[@goniom7716]

6:35 the Saab 29 Tunnan was actually used in combat in congo in the early 1960s, despite lots of groundfire, none of them were lost in combat, the only losses happened because of accidents, one of theese planes can nowadays be seen at the swedish air force museum in linköping.

[@-Zevin-]

The draken truly is amazing. The fact its first flight was in 1955 is incredible, and even today in 2021 it still looks thoroughly modern I can't say that about any other aircraft made by the US or Soviets during that same time period, most stuff that flew in 1955 looks very antiquated today.

[@tohwangkaien8961]

The draken looks like it could take off like a rocket Edit: I tried it before and it works

[@AshleyPomeroy]

For comparison it entered service five years before the Mirage III, at a time when the leading fighters were the Sabre, MiG-15, Hawker Hunter etc.

[@-Zevin-]

@@AshleyPomeroy Yes, that really is stunning when put into context.

[@opposed2logic]

generally speaking whenever SAAB has introduced a plane it has been ahead of its time and quite dominating, this is especially true for the early jets (with A21 being the exception, but this is just a prop plane that was given a jet engine). Originally Gaijin actually specifically said they would not add sweden to the game because the swedish jets would be way too overpowered compared to other jets of the same era, the original cut off date was therefore put just before draken. but we all know how that went, gaijin changed their plans, added sweden, and decided to make almost every single swedish tank and plane underperform compared to publically available real performance stats of the vehicles. this is especially true for the swedish airplanes, where ripspeeds in game can be several hundred kmh slower than airframe damage speeds irl. gaijin solved it by just purposely making every single swedish vehicle unrealistically bad.

[@Scurck]

@@AshleyPomeroy Even today. How many "leading fighters" flying today have proper datalink systems? The J35 Draken had it from the beginning. Cleverly hidden away on the dashboard was a seemingly normal clock. The system could receive analog radio signals and display messages and target data.

[@voodooloukerensky3884]

Got to see both the SAAB Draken and the Viggen at an air show in Belgium in 1982. The Belgian AF was transitioning from the F-104 Starfighter to the F-16 at the time.

[@AshleyPomeroy]

"Chaps, you'll no longer be able to fly at Mach 2, but on the positive side, you might live long enough to retire."

[@sovietgergerd]

Sweden is by far my favourite faction in War Thunder! Every one of their vehicles feels unique compared to their competitors and gives me a reason to use them over say USSR or Japanese tech tree vehicles

[@tyoyusuf8501]

ha soviet union

[@christofferbonnet8127]

Swedish tanks has no armor :(

[@elliotoliver123]

I agree!

[@jespersvensson7240]

@@elliotoliver123 Attack the A point!

[@3lemmonz89]

@@jespersvensson7240 No! Attack the D point!

[@Ghareeban]

That red Viggen is at a military museum in Malmö. She is sitting there ever so glorious. I hope that gaijin include the J34 (hunter).

[@hondacivic1293]

J32 basically has that role covered since they are effectively the same

[@fishyfish6050]

J34 was used as an interceptor until it was replaced by the draken

[@pick3075]

Viggen was awesome

[@Ty-qe1jb]

Saab made a car called viggen as will and it's crazy fast.

[@aaronvancoillie1088]

Drive past there often, standing next to another Viggen and Draken. Beautiful sight!

[@TheCatBilbo]

I love the fact that the Swedes aren't afraid to do it themselves & do it differently (for good reasons). Loved my Dad's Saab 900i...then GM got hold of SAAB 😔

[@m4ndo224]

The j26 b is pretty fun

[@jakobholgersson4400]

The Draken is my fave plane. In fact, I have a (pre-made) model on my shelf, feeling all left out among game figures from the likes of Mass Effect and Zelda. When can we see more versions? With the Viggen in the game, I'm hoping to see the J35J and Danish Strike Draken. Oh, and a cool thing I'd like to see is the pointy-nosed Lansen which Saab used to test the Draken's radar.

[@jaevanceamendanio2683]

The J35 Draken reminds me of the F-16XL.

[@pacific200ngo]

@@jaevanceamendanio2683;-;

[@Cry481]

@@jaevanceamendanio2683 a lot of double delta wing aircraft will look the same

[@Cry481]

To be honest, I was hoping they would add the j35j instead of the viggen, the draken is just such a sick plane :(

[@SICHOLSAT]

Q: Will auto loader works slower if the engine is turned off?

[@firewing1319]

In game no, but IRL you could hand crank the system on Russian tanks.

[@kevinl2482]

If your tank runs out of battery yes the reload for Russian tanks becomes like 30 seconds.

[@Icewolf_fgr]

Its always a good day when WarThunder uploads a new video

[@lambsaucy69]

if they would add this much effort in the game like in these videos

[@TheKep]

@@lambsaucy69 I would argue they put plenty of effort into the game. Screw off with your negative comments

[@khlobbia]

@@TheKep yes, there are many good parts of the game, but there are definitely many bad parts too that make the game very frustrating.

[@kajetus0688]

@@TheKep what about uptiering? it is main war thunder issue

[@3lemmonz89]

@@kajetus0688 That doesn't mean they don't put effort into the game though? As much as we players complain, you can't deny that they put a lot of effort into the game. Maybe they should put more effort into the game, but that still doesn't mean they don't put effort in.

[@radiofm4265]

Fun Fact: if you look around on the left side of the J21's cockpit, you can find a medkit, which ofc cant heal your pilot

[@Mystic-Midnight]

I mean I dont know if a Pilot would be able to Stitch up a gunshot wound and fly it could be part of the jump kit

[@bjorngve]

As we all know there was a good reason to plan for the road base system in Sweden. We had a lot of planes in those days but not many military air bases.All vehicles was designed to take cover in the Swedish woods. The narrow off road trucks is an example. As a wheel loader operator of my green VOLVO LM BM 864, I easily made a stealthy camp space with the white tip plow. Stones and stumps turned into nice flat roads. I loved those missions.

[@japster2508]

My granpas dad was one of the creators of the swedish airforce. His name was Nils Söderberg

[@napoleonetalcei1242]

Fun fact: you can find the iconic ghost of SAAB on hypercars made by Koenigsegg

[@adam632]

based on F10's emblem

[@kronop8884]

The ghost is not a Saab emblem, its the emblem of the 1st division (Ghost division) at F10 Air wing in Ängelholm.

[@michas_schizo]

Fun fact: u can find cars produced by SAAB

[@80Loke]

@@michas_schizo dont be an arse pls.

[@kaidanalexander2840]

by far my favorite Swedish aircraft is the lansen. With its charming looks, and incredible multi role ability's, it has rightfully earned a spot in my favorite planes list.

[@DrifterG36]

The B18B is great for CAS, the two 600kg bombs are always good for a few frags. The rockets pack a punch as well

[@CmdrTyrael]

The Swedish Air tree was a fantastic experience. (Perhaps excluding T4) I thoroughly enjoyed flying, fighting and filming in all the airframes. Bra gjort sverige!!

[@chrishall8636]

Sweden was, for UN, involved in a war in Congo 1961-1964. There several J29 (nicknamed "Tunnan" or in English "the barrel") were in use and other parts of Swedish forces.

[@antonsamuelsson1317]

i had a teacher he was one of the pilots that flew down in Congo

[@damsb.6078]

I love that Swedish tech tree, I can't wait to see the Gripen joining the list sooner or later. And for those players who already get into Saab's cars I guess they had that good feeling of being inside an aircraft, especially at night when the console get illuminated.

[@leopardii6565]

They made great cars too!

[@celica825]

Always a treat to see a Saab while driving, such nice and modest looking cars

[@j4m3s86]

Ye koenigseg make nice sports cars

[@carterchiaramonte7584]

Exactly

[@carterchiaramonte7584]

@@celica825 always

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Not the same company, just that their names get the same acronym.

[@daslynnter9841]

I love swedish designs so much, if i had to design a tank plane combo it would basically just be the s tank and draken. Imo its like their engineers just looked at what was ideal in other vehicles and cranked it up to 11

[@BleedingUranium]

Saab 340 with gunpods and missiles when? :3

[@Frithjofz]

Lol!😫

[@SwebHat]

there is a lot of swedish stuff you can add gaijin but the more important issue is the repair costs it’s not fair. their tanks are so expensive that you will not make a profit most games unless you NEVER die

[@sheeesssh646]

They need to lower all high repair costs. I propose there should be 3 tiers, with light tanks having a repair cost of about 2000 sl, medium 3000sl, and heavies 4000sl. There should not be any difference between tanks, and definitely not countries (think British/USA Br 7.0ish vs Germany for example). Some tanks are literally unplayable because of their repair costs (i.e. Ferdinand). Please Gaijin.

[@GetBreaded]

hot take but sweden tanks could benefit from a slight decrease in repair as much of the weaponry sweden gets is pretty good

[@elliotsilfwerbrand8036]

With swedich centirions if you dont get 2-3 kills on eatch you will lose money

[@ronaldthompson4989]

Or leave auto repairs off and let the crews deal with it

[@khlobbia]

@@ronaldthompson4989 unfortunately even with pretty good repair level, my vehicles take days to repair for free. its like gaijin doesnt want me to play their game...

[@Lord_Squirrels]

Fun Fact j 29 tunnan is the only swedish jetfighter to win a actual dogfight during the Congo crisis in the 60s

[@revolver265]

Now do Volvo! Wait. Just kidding, Volvo Flygmotor exists. They helped with the engines for the Viggen.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Well, adding the Volvo pvpjtgb 9011 and 1111 as well as the Hägglunds Pvrbbv 2061 at BR 5.x, 6.x and 7.x respectively wouldn't be unreasonable imo.

[@goniom7716]

9:50 The saab 105 was retired from the Swedish air force a few days ago, farewell Saab Nugget.

[@normalicious9734]

My grandfather was a mechanic on SAAB aircraft, mainly the J29

[@AndersJackson]

J29A Tunnan (Tunnan = Barrel from the form) was in fight during UN Congo and was known to land with several shoots straight through the engine. It impressed the other allies fighter pilots.

[@spacewurm]

8:20 "because why not?" Well, that specification was asked for in case of war and planes moved from air bases that would obvious targets of the Soviets.

[@makfrags14]

Hi gaijin. Can we have this thing called TRACTION you should check the dictionary

[@kajetus0688]

A leopard not able to go up 45 degree slope is very weird also make uptiering more pleasant by decreasing repair cost for uptiered players

[@Kattbirb]

What would be a more impressive engineering feat would be implementing Legacy UI options for Naval, since some capability was lost in the "Direct Hit" update.

[@barnykirashi]

Living in Hungary, near a Combat Training Zone, I gotta love the JAS39 Gripen. I witnessed the Sonic Boom happening at the distance, and a lot of Trucks (and other ground based combat vehicles, even MBTs, mostly on train) driving around my place. I kinda want to go visit their base to see the planes from closer.

[@ludvigrosen2356]

My favorite Swedish Saab aircraft is probably the Jas 39 gripen or the J 37 viggen

[@Snobiker13]

The planes at 1:15 are of course Gloster Gladiators, imported from the UK. Svenska Aero's Jaktfalken looked very much like it but had an open cockpit. You can see Jaktfalken at 1:50. It was a lot slower than the Gladiator. The plane at 1:40 is a Junkers 86, probably built under license in Sweden. The plane at 2:26 is a Fiat CR42. They were imported from Italy. Another plane that deserves to be mentioned is the J22, not built by Saab but by FFVS, two of them shown at 10:10 here (along with a Regianne 2000 Falco, imported from Italy). A much more conventional design than the J21 and could therefore enter service much quicker.

[@mr.salimi563]

9:21 I shall now refer to the SAAB 37 as the “Vegan”

[@iicustodianlaw]

Vegan Teacher.

[@Ty-qe1jb]

Viggen

[@mills9402]

@@iicustodianlaw ahh I remember that vegan teacher joining the Swedish airforce and bombed slaughter houses

[@garnix5612]

Saab J-29 were used in combat during the UN Mission in Congo in the 60s.

[@80Loke]

In the 80´s Viggens always flew over our house at quite low alt, they had their route out over the sea just where i lived.

[@hawkerhurricane4302]

Love from Sweden!

[@Red_Four]

Sweden lives by Theodore Roosevelt's quote, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

[@deruebermolch9300]

Saab is definitely one of my favourite company the planes are just super interesting and also I own and drive a Saab 9-3 Viggen

[@carterchiaramonte7584]

Awesome, I’ve got a 08 9-3 Aero

[@fishyfish6050]

My dad was a mechanic for the sk60 in the very late 80s to early 90s

[@randlerobbertson8792]

SAAB A great engineering, automotive and aviation company. Innovative and with incredibly high standards in build quality. The Americans could certainly learn a thing or two from them thesedays

[@WevoTee]

As a Swedish main, I like to come back to this video and feel proud that I answered the call these aircraft gave me

[@Aoskar95]

the J29 "Tunnan" is the only swedish aircraft to have been deployed in combat(Congo as part of a UN force) The J37 "Viggen" pilots used to practice interception by getting lock ons on SR-71 blackbirds returning over the baltic

[@Merecir]

Sweden sent a whole air wing to fight in the Winter War.

[@Aoskar95]

@@Merecir I meant as in Swedish made. At the time there were no domestic military aircraft production so f19 used British Gloster Gladiators

[@Rex1987]

my dad who i have inherited a big interest in millarty history, often talks about the Draken. It partly due to that the danish airforce used the Draken since 1971 until the 1990ies - its often with a sense of wonder that he talks about it. It great to try it out in Warthunder. Its also the first jet plane that i have tried in the game.

[@mickw7152]

Every update war thunder just becomes more cooler with graphics

[@ternarycode]

> starts with making planes > planes start falling off popularity, so they start pursuing cars as well > soon makes the safest cars by flipping the engine backwards and putting the ignition in the center console > their cars soon start falling off so they stop making cars > still making awesome fighter planes for various countries saab is kinda based

[@frejmn]

As a Swede I can say that he says the word svenska super good 👍🏻

[@dan_halfsvear]

Adding the export Hunter to the Swedish tech tree would be nice. Since they imported it before the J32 design was finished.

[@jeffmyersmusic]

you got it

[@davidakesson4837]

A fun fact about almost all Swedish vehicles etc. is that they were and are built for defence. For example, the strf 103 or tank S is specificly designed for low profile, high frontal defence in form of steep angle and a revesed top speed of 50 k/ph. The Gotland class submarines have been debated about for their range due to the fact that they are powered by kerosene, however, they are very high-tech and probably THE most silent submarine as of now, and though the have a limited torpedo amount, it is enough to disable most ships if nessesary.

[@michaelmayo3127]

The Draken F-35 could fly unbelievable slow. I came home from work and saw just at the brow of a very low hill and the back of my garden a Draken F-35 came flying so low and so slow that the pilot waved to me and I could see the aircraft's exhaust. And then in a flash it was gone. Denmark had 50 F-35 and used them in the fighter-bomber roll.

[@plysmeister]

i remember as a child, seeing the Draken fly over my granmas house, and since that time i have been in love with it... please gaijin, make the danish variants

[@Elias_Stathoulopoulos]

Just got the j21a1 and that was my favourite match in war thunder. 11 kills. I have never even come close to that number before. The guns are insane!

[@EV1NRUDE]

Saab draken is insane. My favorite jet to ever exist. Also did ypu guys know the saab 21 propeller plane was the first plane with ejection seat? Maybe add the ejection seat to the J21/A21 if you see this.

[@MrBEA68]

I think you forgot something important, or rather interesting, regarding the SAAB 21. It was the second aircraft equipped with an ejection seat at it's launch in 1943, the first beeing the He 219. The placement of the propeller necessitated a way for the pilot to escape the aircraft if needed, and an ejection seat was the only way possible to see to that.

[@timelwell7002]

Favourite Saabs? The Saab 105 series, and the Saab 21. Oh and the Saab 9000 - no, wait a minute, that's a car! A very nice car, and at the time the safest car on the road, with more airbags and side protection beams than you could shake a stick at. The Swedes also made an excellent piano - the Nordiska - now sadly made in China and nowhere near as good as the proper Swedish made ones...

[@stefanhallberg7358]

Time 6:46, the J29A; The flying “Barrel” (fFygande Tunnan) stationed at the military airfield, “F8” not from where I grew up in Barkarby. We use to hide in the field by the end of the air strip and watch “Draken” (the Dragon), J35D, take off and land, time 7:50.

[@88Spint]

This narrator said "Jaktfalken" with perfect pronunciation! That's really hard, well done! :D

[@Raxo347]

"Do you have any favroites" "IDK Like all of them"

[@kocayrklibirinsan3056]

your video descripton: 199th century

[@Betto_333]

a21 is SOO good, it has that 600 kg bomb that kills everything, 4 13.2 swedish meatballs mg's and the hispano cannon that makes it more powerful. ofc im big fan of j35 and j37, but ya know... (g)old!!

[@WoooshProductions]

It would be really cool to see vapor clouds when turning especially on the Swedish jets! Very cool gaijin :)

[@skylongskylong1982]

Looking forward to seeing the Saab/ British Aerospace Tempest first fight in the next few years.

[@CrimsonScar-1]

Swede’s are geniuses. Respect from Britain 🇬🇧 🇸🇪

[@mixmashandtinker3266]

Very good pronunciation of Swedish names! Very refreshing!

[@franciscoguinledebarros4429]

Peace is temporary when it's foolish God I love Swedish military doctrine, how versatile, unorthodox, strong minded and ultimately peaceful it is, can't have enough of it

[@vexing3259]

SAAB will always be my favourite plane company

[@snakeyboi1248]

I think to this day I’ll always rely on the b18. Even at higher brs it’s crazy maneuverability as a bomber and decent bomb load will forever keep it close to my roster.

[@BlunderedGaming]

I would like Sweden if top tier had its repair costs reduced

[@Politefox17]

My favourite swedish plane is definitely the B18B. I once took out two fighters with the tail gunner, one was the focke wolf fw190 and the spitfire.

[@fogrepairshipakashi5834]

Watching this as Sweden joins NATO is just surreal.

[@filipinordabest]

RIP alliance neutrality, but in such a case, it is impossible to stay neutral.

[@hachipanki8634]

The J21A1 Is my all-time favourite fighter in the game, its just a blast to play with it, i get more than three kills on average and its just... Gorgeous The B18B is my all time bomber as well! And the thing that i love of it, is that i can go dogfighting with it, its also a blast

[@DaReaperZ]

The Swedish pronounciation really is on point in this video. It doesn't sound entirely native, but it's extremely good.

[@Elbereth_TV]

Saab actually still means Svenska Aero AB (ltd)

[@dantem4119]

Suggestions? Honestly repair costs should be level across the board or not exist at all. Balance should come from Br rating, not taking away reward for playing. The game would be so much more fun if it did that.

[@HaileyThiccc]

I love his pronunciation of Swedish words, its very similar to the southern Swedish accent known as skånska

[@fishpasteboo5097]

Gaijin, 199th Century in the description. There is a typo.

[@anger_birb]

7:11 that’s the most airplane looking thing I’ve ever seen

[@martins3993]

It was thanks in part to our fearsome airforce we managed to remain neutral trough the turbulent 1900's.

[@spam3060]

I really waited for this!

[@tyrefiretv2908]

Anyone else happy he's back? 😂😂

[@joeythemattressstealer158]

My favorite one is the premium SAAB J35XS. My friend let me use his for a few games and I love that thing

[@LarS1963]

A Swedish fighter you didn't mention, because it was the only one not designed and developed by Saab, would be the FFVS J22. And the JAS 39 Gripen, off course.

[@efslgima]

im 99 years old and this video was very helpful

[@aaatlas840]

Saab some of the best aircrafts in my opinion love the 105 and Drakken (Not only because my country used them)

[@Elvis-wd2gf]

it shocked me how good swedish your talking for someone that doesn't speak it on a normal day

[@kentnilsson465]

Lansen is such a beautiful plane, just stunning

[@Frank-rh7vh]

What an interesting report and amazing narrating - Just a big LIKE for all your very good works !!! Thank You! My best regards, Frank

[@WarPigstheHun]

I feel very Saab "sad?" no, SAAB "Oh, ok."

[@Phantasm290]

Good old Sweden. My Grandfather was actually the navigator on a JA37, before transferring to the Swedish Navy and becoming a Captain there. Not only that, but my uncle is a Lieutenant in the Swedish Air Force, and flies the J39 Gripen, which to this day is still my favorite jet.

[@randomexcessmemories4452]

My dad has owned Saab 9-3 convertibles for a while. First one from 2001, the 03, and currently one from 07, though we are thinking of replacing it.

[@tinkercat6965]

I really love the swedish B18B bomber. It has a decent climb rate and can defend itself really good. Also sometimes when you get slightly downtiered, you can one- hit bases with its 600kg bombs. I used it to get my first Jet in War Thunder.

[@kryfa6279]

that's true, the B-18B had one shot a Bf-109 in a cluster of planes. Awesome really

[@jadestif4525]

J21A ground attack version is my fav of all. Sadly no rockets on it for the time.

[@Dwiimor]

Swedish aircraft designations follow a certain format of Role(s)/Model nr in service/nickname J29 "Tunnan" - J - Jakt (fighter or literally "hunt"), 29 - Model in service number, "Tunnan" - nickname meaning barrel JA 37 "Viggen" - JA - Jakt, Attack (strike capabilities), 37, Viggen means thunderbolt and also a certain bird JAS 39 "Gripen" - JAS - Jakt, Attack, Spaning (surveilance capabilities), 39, Gripen = Griffin

[@the23rdradiotower41]

I easily love the Draken it was one of the first jet aircraft I really dived into research on