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@carolthandeka54544 ай бұрын
Mogane was moving up and down with Ntanzi's phone
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
It's ok Mngo, you are winning the long game. Basically, you've managed to get the judge to say multiple times on the record that cellphone location does not mean the accused were moving with the cell phone. This means, by the judge's logic, that the cellphone data is immaterial and irrelevant because if accused 3 was not with his phone it also means that it was not him making the calls. This logic should apply to all the accused. So Ntanzi was not the one moving with his phone and so are all the other accused. Well done Mngo.
@thabomokone-n6b4 ай бұрын
True
@sakhiletasneemebrahim12284 ай бұрын
The judge is chickening. They must return back all the khaki envelopes
@LwandoNzala4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😭 khaki envelopes zigoduke
@africanmoviestv67874 ай бұрын
Honestly, I am a Zambian but I feel for Ntanza. This guy has passed through alot, I can really feel his pain.
@Malavisback4 ай бұрын
I hear you bro, but what more can you expect... that's the consequence of committing a crime. He shouldn't have been involve in the first place. You feel for Ntanzi, but what about people who lost their son.
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
@@Malavisbackis there any evidence link Ntanzi to Senzo's death
@njabulojb29944 ай бұрын
@@Malavisbackwhich crime dd he commit slow learner?
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps4 ай бұрын
@@Malavisbackdakiwe wena golo lika nyoko
@kingmelano98824 ай бұрын
What crime Ntanzi committed,sleeper?@Malavisback
@DaveGarySue1673-q7l4 ай бұрын
Having carefully followed this simple case, it is astonishing to me why it should unnecessarily take forever, the Justice System in South Africa is ridiculous.
@sakhiletasneemebrahim12284 ай бұрын
The funny party is they are wasting state resources knowingly who assassinated Senzo. It's so sad
@NeoK4894 ай бұрын
Axactly my point
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
@@sakhiletasneemebrahim1228 currently there seems to be no evidence of who pulled the trigger because the scene was tampered with. Basically, there is no way of proving who the killer is. Why we are still made to listen to this nonsense and why the 5 accused are still there, I have no idea. The judge needs to call the state to order that his evidence doesn't prove any of the accused guilty. release Ntunzi and come back with solid evidence.
@Chibvunza4 ай бұрын
@rita_TM 1.Accused number 3 was described by eye witnesses who were not in the house 27/10/2014(Simphiwe Ngwenya and Thabang Makelane )as a short guy with dreads ,gold tooth ,big eyes,beige clothing,running away from the khumalo house with a 9mm in his hand and the photo album of accused 3 in his phone,he has pictures of himself with dreadlocks,gold ,big eyes ,beige clothing and pic of himself with the killing machine ,is that also cooking ?Mangena's cross examination keeps on being pushed back because the defence can't fight this scientific evidence killing machine killed Senzo 2.Ntanzi was described by also eye witnesses apart from the ones that were in the house. He became famous with his alibi of of paying lobolo in Kwanongoma 26/10/2014 and showing Capitec bank statements to police to prove this alibi 😊2023 comes Ntanzi doesn't mention any of this and you guys still don't see red flags/lies 3.These guys said they only saw each other on the dock on the first appearance in 2020 and now cellphone records prove those are lies 4.That they were in Kwanongoma when Senzo died is also a lie 5.Their Zungu cousin turned on them because accused number 5 Killed his cousin called Sphamandla Zungu on the Thami Nyembe case ,he gave us a snippet of what happened ehhostela meanwhile the people that were in the house shared their snippet and the last reliable witness was Christian he saw all that happened,but the mastermind refused for him to be interviewed by psychologists and now it makes sense why 6.Muzi Sibiya's gunning down of his girlfriend and sister for because the sister threatened to come forward 6.Cellphone records link all the accused and link kelly to no 3&5.Allegedly
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
@@Chibvunza Sorry can't read everything now but I'm not saying they did it or not. All I am saying is that the evidence is not without reasonable doubt at the very least. Now I doubt accused 3 is the only person in Gauteng who fits that description. but if you remember Mnisi dealt with that already using pictures that the description of the dreads was not the same as what the witnesses described. His killing machine is real but has not been proven to be the one that killed Senzo. Ntanzi's alibi may be off but nothing but places him in the house, the eye-witnesses said the tall guy had a gold tooth and tattoos and Ntanzi had none. His Capitec records are cooked because mentioned a loan but it is not reflected, his salary also was not reflected so explain that. whether they were in Gauteng or in Nongoma there is still no damning evidence. Don't mention Zungu...the biggest liar. Zungu lied saying he wrote a hand-written statement when probed he changed to say it was notes and later the notes were on receipt slips..not only that but Zungu said on the stand that he asked Gwabini about the gun that shot Snako...but Snako was shot in 2017 how would have Zungu known that Snako will be shot in 2014. Later he alluded that his source was his dad who heard people arguing about exposing someone, so which is it was he with them in 2014 and saw a gun that shot Snako in the future or what. A cop drinking with nkabis and leaving his service gun with them. If you believe Zungu and the selective cellphone data I have no more to say...
@nkululekongwane1134 ай бұрын
1hr 33min the lady at the back is very impressed by Mngo she can't hide it🤣🤣🤣
@sammysamala44924 ай бұрын
This Judge Ratha is from Temu😂😂😂😂😂
@nette21444 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Simzxaba4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Azolamavela4 ай бұрын
😅😂😂 not SHEIN 😆😂😂
@ASHBRO4814 ай бұрын
Problem of 50 years he think he's smarter than anyone,he even lead the witness evidence i liked when Mngo and Ramusipidi told him straight he lead the witness evidence
@TebzaGabz4 ай бұрын
This mkhulu Ratha lacks listening skills and has already shown which side he's on. Aaii
@africanmoviestv67874 ай бұрын
Listening is skill itself thats makes a man to be a man.Ratha lucks that..
@apostlearnold37044 ай бұрын
Ratha doesn't understand that in life you can start well and end bad, so he shouldn't allow his experience to look down on others
@africanmoviestv67874 ай бұрын
In a normal country , this case is very simple to solve,,,,you just get the 205 of those who were in the house and question them on first calls they made...
@YTL-hi5ll4 ай бұрын
4:40:19 Adv Ramo; why not emphasize that the device was not with your client. You must say it supported by State Witnesses until the Court has no choice but to accept it.
@godfreyphalatsi46714 ай бұрын
I blame the person who resuscitated Judge Ratha from retirement bed 😂😂
@kingphoka-uf5tk4 ай бұрын
it doesn't matter how many cellphone numbers Kelly has, she has made a sworn affidavit to affirm that she was using those two numbers, the night senzo was killed. It is in the state interest to seek data collection of other numbers. The defence has two points over "score is defence 2 - 0 state"
@thamisehunoe50914 ай бұрын
Why is the state bringing the cell phone evidence if they believe the accused, particularly no.3, didnt have his phone on himself.
@siphonengu54364 ай бұрын
Exactly my point. Why waste the whole month dealing with something they don't believe in . Uzigwaze ngumkhonto wakhe for sure. Benza I defense izilima that don't think.
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps4 ай бұрын
Dont worry guys constitutional court will release these accused on this case coz Ratha udlile already
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
they must just end it now so that it can be appealed already.
@busisiwemafata28344 ай бұрын
Usuthi mqudulu
@kellybasic72104 ай бұрын
Baloyi and gininda, together with their gang ba bodile siss..... Yesses🤮
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
Why Ratha's hands are always on his mouth, it's clear that he wants to use gestures to coach the witness
@mikenyakudya53124 ай бұрын
Why is judge agitated? Coz cellphone data was analysed to prove that the accused were communicating and were in possession of their phones..now the council is proving that accused 2 could have not been in possession of the cellphone coz it had been taken by police and the judge is agitated... Come on South Africa..u can do better than this
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
What do you mean come on South Africa, who are you referring to?
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps4 ай бұрын
Ratha is angry becoz the cooking is not cooking 😂😂😂😂
@NeoK4894 ай бұрын
Ratha you are the Mickey mouse in that court
@cebiluuh69614 ай бұрын
Ratha uyabona kuba uyakuliphi point yikho semu attack khona ezo move kulo ai shame
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
What is Sibanda doing at Mngomezulu's place after discussion between him and Baloyi kante
@Samora44 ай бұрын
He always does that and i don't think that is allowed
@manenikalydia78883 ай бұрын
U know I HV BEEN ASKING MYSELF SAME QUESTION
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
Lol Baloyi telling Mngo to stick to his lane and not ask questions relating to accused no.3 🤣 Oksalayo the State scored an OWN GOAL with the cellphone data and Mngo caught them. Baloyi grasping at straws saying they received the data late that's why they skipped page 1 of their evidence and did not place it on the record!!🤣 Asha amazambane.
@zodwadlamini42134 ай бұрын
Baloyi yinja nobubi ngathi yimfene
@juniormaila67124 ай бұрын
😂😂 Own goal
@siphonengu54364 ай бұрын
Baloyi should mind his business. 😂😂😂
@louisathelejane84534 ай бұрын
😂
@Constance-dm8hr4 ай бұрын
@@zodwadlamini4213😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@kellybasic72104 ай бұрын
Gouws's problem is he puts himself where he wasn't, he doesn't really know his own affidavit. He adapts his evidence to suit the narrative of the state and forgets that's not what he wrote on his affidavit... Like mngomezulu said, gouws was alone when he made the affidavit and wrote those things 🤣🤣he changes the story as he goes along
@LedwabaJohannes4 ай бұрын
Finally Advocate R put his foot down vs Ratha finally, Ratha must wait for the defense to finish questions n see where their going before he help state.
@user-oq8uk2ui9u4 ай бұрын
Judge Ratha knows everything. Mxm
@LedwabaJohannes4 ай бұрын
Judge Ratha must understand that Advo R only exposes the inconsistency it helps the Accused not witness. What did the experience analyst did except what he was given, didn't he find it strange while doing his analysis, what questions did he ask investigating officers since the phone was moving but accused arrested.
@nanosaconsulting89484 ай бұрын
Who was charging Ntanzi's phone during those in his possession
@siphonengu54364 ай бұрын
My question exactly since there was no charger in his cell
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
So his cellphone don't get low ijoo this case only lies sheim
@witnssmkhiza98114 ай бұрын
Ntanzi phone is a miracle
@NduraaNgoma3 ай бұрын
Prisoners do charge their cellphones in the electric lights in the cells, some have their rotten police officers who assist them in charging those cellphones
@nthabibotsi98554 ай бұрын
Thank you Advocate Ramosepele and Advocate Mngemezulu thank you for putting this into the records. Judge Ratha has been playing aquafresh since the begining of this case, 3 in 1, biased and impatient on defence side. Ratha has been the judge, prosecutor and the witness at the same time and he's forever interrupting the defence during cross examination. That's why we concluding that he already found these accused guilty hence he always says:" If this case would be taken elsewhere where after it has been concluded here." Ratha has repeatedly said this to the defence many times while this case is still on progress. Ratha is biased.
@thandazanimadonda38914 ай бұрын
I feel for Ntanzi he was given the weakes defence of all times . If Mngomezulu aandd Mnisi as well as Mshololo were not there I am sure this guy was going to be sentenced
@manenikalydia78883 ай бұрын
By the way who is Ntanzi s advocate? Is it Ramosepedi or Nxumalo?
@thandazanimadonda38913 ай бұрын
@@manenikalydia7888 Ramasepele
@ncedile54434 ай бұрын
1:31:58 see the judge winking to the witness
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
Lol will have to wait
@SidumoNgetu4 ай бұрын
It's not the 1st time he is been doing it to all the 6 last weaknesses
@NeoK4894 ай бұрын
Ratha is a disgrace.
@nette21444 ай бұрын
Big time!
@mzecara16764 ай бұрын
Why is the judge winking to witnesses
@NeoK4894 ай бұрын
Ramosepele you right, judge has a tendency of affirming for the witness.
@artwellpanasheshumba10553 ай бұрын
This should be put on record
@BeeKay5424 ай бұрын
This judge makes sense but only pinning defense. Not for clarity but to undermine. He never took Baloyi in why page 11-13 was not read. Or better yet go back to records and see if it was put in evidence in chief. Manipulation of knowing the law. He objects on behalf of state. And throws hand's. He never does that to Baloyi. A jury system is needed.
Kodwa kanti wathi engashona wasebheka kuphi ngempela yena ngob kuhlezi kuthiwa igazi lomuntu liyakhuluma elakhe lavalwa ubani ngempela engasasho lutho nje nangephupho nje kwabakubo akasakwazi nokuyilwela nje ayi ibuhlungu lento bafethu
@katenokulungagabayi89124 ай бұрын
29 May your vote counts
@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch46824 ай бұрын
Le berekile bashimane bam🗣👌🏿🔥mickey mouse wa phapha🚮
@sakhiletasneemebrahim12284 ай бұрын
Thus so true. Than wasting time and wasting state resources. They keep going round and round and round and lying
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
Mngomezulu ke hloba boroko mo this court
@paulusoreilly74384 ай бұрын
😂😂😂batshwere ka molala straight
@VileNdlebe4 ай бұрын
Makasuswe loo judge " kubekwe wena or u just mkhontolise this court?
@artwellpanasheshumba10553 ай бұрын
Adv. Ramosepele must stand his ground
@artwellpanasheshumba10553 ай бұрын
if the data of the 205s confirms the location of the phone only and not the person why are we wasting time on them. why is the prosecutor bringing it to court? i can bet the verdict will be guilty. so many grey areas?
@ThabangKhumalo_4 ай бұрын
Not sure if you saw this, the camera peaked through Gous face and i believe this is not allowed. 2, this judge is really annoying now with reminding and assisting the witness recall their evidence
@cebiluuh69614 ай бұрын
Kanti yayihamba nobani ngampela le phone
@NontandoWeza-x6p4 ай бұрын
ratha you are bias
@mofapohedimokoena34564 ай бұрын
Judge Ratha,is bias and thinks he knows everything....it shows that he has been paid to find the wrong person guilty.Baloi is a devil,i dont know how much he has been paid by Gininda.My friend one said to a Judge meet you in hell,i hought he made a mistakes but now i understand him 100 percent.
@mofapohedimokoena34564 ай бұрын
Ratha and Baloi are apartheid agents....they made people go to jail for nothing. How can a suspect have his cell phone under detention.....Remember Ntanzi saying in a case within a case that he told the margistrate that he has not spoken to his family and taken a bath for those days.If he had his phone on him he could have told his family where he is and could have phoned his work place.
@zinhlengema91864 ай бұрын
What is happening with their sound
@godfreyphalatsi46714 ай бұрын
The judge has made his ruling already; 😂at the moment he seeks compelling reasons from defence team why he should not impose maximum sentence to the accused
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
Gouws doesn't know lot on his evidence
@NtombikayiseDanisa4 ай бұрын
He was not an investigating officer, he was to prove that they were communicating. Lets wait for Brig. Gininda to give another Schooling for free
@artwellpanasheshumba10553 ай бұрын
the judge is biased the counsels must point this out otherwise he is ignoring he confirms the presence of the phone not the person? so why are we wasting time with the cell tower data now that the records show the accused were not there the judge doesnt want to listen?
@blessedchibaya3784 ай бұрын
This case is now a movie they need to provide us with seasons and episodes... 😅😅
@rita_TM4 ай бұрын
🤣 im sure we're on season 5 and the producers don't have content, they should just cancel the show but they keep making the episodes as they go. Everything happening in this court right now was never part of the script when this trial started.
@boniwelushaba82224 ай бұрын
One thing about these police, they are dumb 😂… the way they have cooked this evidence is so clumsy 😅
@Mokho-b7v4 ай бұрын
People are on hot seats
@LiphahleMandulo-ke2zf4 ай бұрын
Maka suswe lo judge noba kuyekwa libaziseka akhonngxaki kunalena into💔u judge ufuna inyani ingaveli apha abameli akafuni kubathobela uthobela o Baloyi naba baza nobuxoki 💔why engabambi abantu babesendlini anduleke uxoxa yerrrrr💔💔😭😭😭yhini Senzo
@MunyaradziMugadzaweta-ob5dz4 ай бұрын
Kubekwe WENA 😂😂😂 shame on you .....Linda igrant oyaziyo only Dom kop
Mgomezulu failed to ask a simple question, the movement of the proves the movement of the owner, is that correct? Then, if he days yes, then it means the accused number 3 movement is recorded by his cell phone. Is that correct? If yes,then accused number 3 was not in Fosloorus according to the tower records, is that correct? If he said no, then it means the 205 proves nothing if the movement do not prove there where abouts of the accused.
@slindokuhleprecious69594 ай бұрын
Judge won't allow that to sell out the state
@PrimroseJabu-kz9jj4 ай бұрын
Another cop coming with lies😢
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
Gouws know about this case before they give him chance to analyse it because whole world know this even if they don't follow t
@ndhlovupizo-eu7sf3 ай бұрын
The judge is acting dumb for a purpose
@ElliotMxolo4 ай бұрын
Ntanzi said he was at work and it was proven he was not at work on the day.A lot of lies on the side of the accused.Who to believe here.
@LuvuyoJingijane4 ай бұрын
Ntanzi said "if was not at work, I was at home"
@mazwideamahle40914 ай бұрын
He even spent 2 extra days with Ntuli as per his confession , because he knew he had taken some leave.
@yangamguzulwa46393 ай бұрын
What were you doing on the 24th of October 2014? And we see if Ntanzi is a liar.
@mazwideamahle40913 ай бұрын
@yangamguzulwa4639 I was in Sabi-Sabi, Mpumalanga getting engaged to my ex husband.
@mandrewsibuyi-dz5qr4 ай бұрын
Akukho lasiya khona lana mathumbu ye fariki igulube
@kingphoka-uf5tk4 ай бұрын
judge ya kwata ge defence e penyella state witnesses 😂😂😂😂😂 ga nyake leka six-nine itjo
Guys these 5 açcused said they did not know one another before.These numbers shows something else.
@NtombikayiseDanisa4 ай бұрын
Uyawteta kuse cause yilento elityala lingapeli. Kalokxa uyo roba awuyipati iphone cause ucinga iwe or upendule iphone iku destructe
@manqobankomo95544 ай бұрын
This judge is nonsense mxxxmmmm
@junaid84054 ай бұрын
Nangu T khumalo esibhedela . Ubhemani Mntungwa😂😂😅😅😅
@NkosikhonaBiyela4 ай бұрын
If Ratha can behave like he did towards the end of d Day
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
You didn't finish your statement
@NkosikhonaBiyela4 ай бұрын
@@LUVIWODODO He kept his mouth shut 🤣🤣
@tshepomalatji2044 ай бұрын
But signals or hooter of cellphones 📱 towers near sm nearest police investsgator officers 😅
@boniwelushaba82224 ай бұрын
The state and fraud 🤞🏾🙀😅
@SidumoNgetu4 ай бұрын
Le 4n yayihamba niBaloyi🤞
@josephpeten72754 ай бұрын
Yeyeeeeeeeeeni bo
@NtsikiNkosi4 ай бұрын
Dlakadla!,wena owakhula silibele !
@happysannie654 ай бұрын
Ghini na hlala morabaraba bcz narshwere zaka ya mang?
@nanosaconsulting89484 ай бұрын
This Gininda is manipulative, this other police they will get themselves having to explained things they are not sure off.
@busisiwemafata28344 ай бұрын
MBatha THE JUDGE ending his career as criminal the judge that accept bribes denied people justice
@thabisontsie28984 ай бұрын
Camera man is also captured 😅
@TshepoBiloane4 ай бұрын
😂 true
@casperkhambule4 ай бұрын
He nomore 😂 showing us 😅d ratha moves😅n signs looking up n down😂
@williamxaba59824 ай бұрын
Eish this attorneys 😂😂
@VileNdlebe4 ай бұрын
Ratha ufundele umthetho and kudala wagweba akaqali namhlanje bafana bam
@sammysamala44924 ай бұрын
It doesn't mean that he can't be bias... Yes uwufundele kodwa he must be fair
@siphonengu54364 ай бұрын
He knows the law but he is abusing it. Remember, the same drug that cures diseases can be abused by the same doctor who uses it to cure .
@BabalwaJusayi-li6bg4 ай бұрын
Uyanya wena njandin uba ingango bakowenu abantu kudlalwa ngabo apa
@vusimasemola30854 ай бұрын
It shows that lot of innocent people are in jail because of him
@LwandoNzala4 ай бұрын
Kanti ke syamazi ukuthi akakaze athi alikho leli icala ngiyalchitha uhlezi egweba siklindile lokho Thina smaziyo
@FlorenceManase4 ай бұрын
The judge's teeth look like a vampire's
@esonaangela20774 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
True😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣
@phumzagalada62634 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lonto amdaka
@joymacheke55074 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@manenikalydia78883 ай бұрын
Sweet potatoes in color 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@LuyandaLekokotla-dt5mb4 ай бұрын
Manje sithatha eyiphi because uTeffo was saying udutyulwe ngu Kelly nge mustake manje uMngomezulu uthi ngu Longwe, manje ngubani o cooker i case? ni busy ni critisiser uJudge ngapha ngu Baloyi no Gininda i enemies zenu, nina asoze nilibone izulu
@pumzilesiyokwana97864 ай бұрын
The state must call Longwe,Kelly,Makhumalo and Maphiri then uzova inyani😂😂😂😂
@patriciaramokoka4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂Everyone in that spaza is our enemy including mama ka KK😂😂😂
@palesapertunia-k8h4 ай бұрын
If Teffo was allowed to call the eye witness by now you should know the truth that you're asking but instead they arrest him to shut him
@vusimasemola30854 ай бұрын
Ngisho nama phela walapha e spaza anecala
@MaggieThobejane4 ай бұрын
Chocolate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ThembaKubheka-fk4kc4 ай бұрын
Mngomezulu should not be allowed to represent anybody
@LwandoNzala4 ай бұрын
😂 reason why???
@vusimasemola30854 ай бұрын
Chest pains😂😂😂
@carolthandeka54544 ай бұрын
Aybo are you serious about what you are saying 😮 What crime did he commit for him to not be allowed to not representing anybody?
@khanyilekhanyile4364 ай бұрын
Nangu muntu ekhuluma ubuphukuphuku
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
Some people are really dom
@Adjudicator2464 ай бұрын
Mngo is now skating on thin ice. His looking for his individual glory. He is no longer making progress in this case, which is really sad. He had made significant advances, but now he is backsliding at the expense of his client and his colleagues.
@MakyZulu4 ай бұрын
Youre from another planet member if you want to help,help dont come
@LUVIWODODO4 ай бұрын
Dismiss your foolishness and expand your consciousness
@njabulojb29944 ай бұрын
You're watching a different case maybe
@Adjudicator2464 ай бұрын
This trial is a lengthy process. Mngo is currently creating many opportunities for the prosecution to utilise later. For instance, in his excitement, he included No. 2's confession in his argument. The judge warned Mngo. Mngo was dismissive instead of withdrawing that statement (skating on thin ice). The prosecution will use this later, and Mngo will act like the victim. He should have taken his win and moved on.
@manenikalydia78883 ай бұрын
Ur talking rubbish Adjudicator246
@ThembaKubheka-fk4kc4 ай бұрын
This is bad lawyering
@amozandi4 ай бұрын
South Africa seyibolile yeer ....bcz of anc....look at this case....wena uyini?mmmmm
@manenikalydia78883 ай бұрын
ANC must go
@carolbatyi64104 ай бұрын
So the defense has to question in a specific way that prosecution wants them, while he can and will elicit however he pleases