Saberfit: Fighting the Saberstaff

[@mikebliss3153]

The Double Lightsaber: In the hands of a novice it will leave him weaker than if he were unarmed. In the hands of a professional it will leave him with an advantage more powerful than most Jedi dream.

[@elmay5054]

They’re using the double saber so weirdly... almost entirely wrong. The first attack should be meant for them to block, preferably a jab, with which the double saber user has much more reach. Once knocked aside the other blade will be there immediately.

[@mcslagbagster9523]

Mike Bliss thank you I train in bo staff for my job

[@Jo0chueE]

Jεε¥☯ñG Thats why The Jedi Temple Guards use the double blade. They mostly rely on physical ability and use the force as a last resort.

[@nubsicle4109]

True, my first time with a double bladed lightsaber I hit myself, well... where it hurts

[@nubsicle4109]

You really have to get used to what you can and can’t do,

[@TheStgmp44]

try fighting Ray Parks if you're that confident you can beat a double bladed light saber.

[@ccarter008]

The thing is, to effectively wield a dual-bladed saber, it seems that the range of motion has to come from your whole body. If you take another look at the fight with Maul against Obi Wan and Qui Gon in Ep I, and watch how Maul moves, you will notice that his saber moves mostly with his body, not with his arms. This is one of the reasons that much of Maul's force power was used to augment what he was doing physically. Maul also relied on a knowledge of his surroundings to give him opportunities to strike. This proves that a dual-bladed saber can be a disadvantage if you are unknowledgeable of the weapon. Additionally, Exar Kun used a dual bladed saber that had a shorter hilt (as it was constructed from a single hilt, not two that could be connected, like Maul's) this allowed Kun to wield the weapon with one hand for better mobility. He also installed a switch that could weaken either of the blades' power so that he could swing it how he needed to (even moving one of the blades through his own body unharmed so he could achieve greater movement of the blades).

[@dustinakadustin]

@@ccarter008 every weapon ever is a disadvantage to the user if they're unfamiliar with it...

[@_abowlofcoke6553]

Try fighting Rey palpatine if you know how to kill a mosquito

[@codyng5118]

Really hoping someone who is actually curious to use a saberstaff reads this. As someone who got their saberstaff a little while ago, I must say its a hell of a lot of fun. For any beginner, you have to understand that this saber (a majority of the form) is a very offensive type weapon both in speed and power. Light sparring with a couple of veteran single and double saber users, they find the orbits to be quick and the reach to be a little farther than their own. The orbit rotation, although flashy takes time to get use to as strikes. Swiping through the air and hitting something with resistance creates a much different reaction. I find that even tho this guy gives a percentage of abilities and ranges the saberstaff has, actually using it in a duel I have had more satisfaction with reach, speed, and knocking the blades out of peoples hand faster. (I have standard 32" blades on each end but im hoping with the 24" blades i can have more control and speed with the staff). The single blade user in the video has the strikes slowed and they talk about how "easy" it is to deflect due to the blade just coming from the opposite side. In reality, the speed you have with an extra 3-4 strikes puts the single blade user completely in a defensive position 3/4 of the time. they hardly have any openings when the saberstaff user can lash in and out of proper reach. My friend also has the spear extensions on his which i found rather difficult to get around but anything can be done with practice. You dont need to have a black belt or some high skill to wield it, just like any weapon, practice practice practice. I have found it so hard to find good videos on just some updated basic training on the saberstaff but for those interested, its a very interesting weapon and it looks cool. Worse comes to worse, you take it apart, put the couplers back on, and you have duel blades again.

[@treehouse6025]

Cody Ng I just wanted you to know that I found your comment interesting and enlightening. Thank you for your input. I agree that in a real duel that it would be more effective and like you said, practice, practice and more practice!

[@rakuhn1]

Cody Ng would you be willing to post any small tutorial videos? I’m looking for more ideas on training with it. :)

[@FBI-1987]

Hit a milestone in my training with an actual bladed staff, not a sabrestaff: I effectively took on 7 opponents, who used various other weapons, and won! God I was tired, but victory was sweet!!!

[@orbitingsentientsatellite4361]

Hard to believe that some people think that sabre staffs are a useless weapon and have slower attacks than a one bladed saber.

[@elmay5054]

I’m good with a saber staff, and I can say from experience that there are so many misconceptions about the saberstaff, multiple of which are in this video. All they seem to know is the basic spin which they are using for combat rather than intimidation. Never use that move too much and only do it if you’re on the defensive needing to drive your opponent back or panic them. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A THRUST WITH THE DOUBLE SABER!! In fact it’s the best way to start a duel. Anticipate the person to knock it aside because that will be their first instinct. The only way to dodge if you aim it right will be for them to step back in which case they will not have enough reach. In most cases they will try to knock it aside in which case they will bring the other blade to them. Use that blade. A good stance is to stand sideways holding the saber with the point of one end directed at your opponent which prevents them getting in close

[@austinhaynes6420]

the problem isn't the weapon, it's the guy holding it.

[@boguszmakowski2357]

it is obvious that it needs an style to master, just like the single bladed needs so. He didnt even stand rotated, with one bladed standing like this will end by kill as well

[@cabeebeethememe]

I have a old model , and the idea , I think to master this weapon you need full concentration on your surroundings as well as speed and the element of surprise. As long as your fast, it does not matter that there is a open stab spot, because you can easily deflect an aponents blade. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to hear your opinions

[@itsmewolfy9632]

@@cabeebeethememe That's true. Speed is indeed key with this weapon. It's not a bad weapon to wield, if you're wielding it properly. Any moron caan spin a blade and make it look flashy.

[@cabeebeethememe]

@itsmewolfy so true

[@privatedankgaming353]

Austin Haynes it’s like “you fool I have beaten you” (the upper part of the body just falls off on to the floor)

[@josephcelestine1945]

Personally, it seems you have a limited capacity on how to use the Saberstaff. That is not the problem with the Saberstaff, it is the problem with how you wield it, and your method lacks skills quite common with its use.

[@peterstamerra445]

He also acts like he doesn’t start with a weapon that could EASILY try to stab someone. He had to keep the enemy on the defensive by overwhelming and confusing them. It’s almost like he came out with his mind made up, never facing someone who was genuinely skilled with the Saberstaff

[@ln6964]

I realize I'm watching this video, but I like fencing and swordplay. However, I am by no means a star wars fanatic. But this is interesting. With that said, I have "fenced" (self-defense) with real blades in my life. The biggest issue I see here, they know that it's not real, they know that can be cocky, and in training, especially in the sport of fencing, you're not afraid of getting cut because the blades aren't sharp in any way. You take more chances as you can be confident in yourself when fighting your opponent that the worst that can happen is, you're pride gets hurt a little bit. However, when live blades get introduced to the picture, that changes a bit. You start to take into consideration the seriousness of the situation; I find myself being a hell of a lot more careful in the scenarios that I've been in. I'm still confident in my ability to handle it, just a hell of a lot more careful and precise. With that said, if these things were real and they could cut through steel with a simple flick of the wrist, I believe they would be treating these things a lot differently than they are now. If you've got a blade full of hot plasma coming your way, you're not going to chance it taking off your hand, arm, head, etc. You're going to block it and wait for your opening.

[@dennis_s]

@@ln6964 Exactly. If one didn't instinctively block an oncoming attack from a plasma-based weapon, they would likely not get a second chance.

[@frankzaharekiv2125]

I want this guy to take on ray park lol

[@GattToDaChoppa]

he'd get his ass handed to him

[@frankzaharekiv2125]

@@GattToDaChoppa that's why

[@ken_sparrow]

Real sabers have massive friction with each other, so in the star wars universe it would be much more viable.

[@scottjuhnke6825]

I just rewatchedthis, and in the first two minutes, you proved that, while it might look very cool, you can't successfully use it as a staff. Double-bladed lightsabre for the win.

[@TheRedVelvetScare]

The point of a double-bladed lightsaber is intimidation and advantage from it being uncommon. For the weapon to be effective the user has to be willing to move, whereas you demonstrated how the weapon would be awful when terribly used. At least try to pretend you want to give objective pros and cons, not just "when I stand still, I hit myself."

[@shade419]

Intimidation, rarity advantage and its good at fighting multiple opponents.

[@FBI-1987]

And it overwhelms singular opponents with ease, even those familiar with facing such in short order, when wielded by someone with a little bit of training with the weapon.

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

He literally doesn’t teach to cut with the body. He throws all his cuts with his arms and thus doesn’t understand turning he hips and feet ... and changing position a ways of attack. When I was fighting koryu you couldn’t even get a hit unless you ran around or past the person. It just looks like he is committed to being unathletic. Not a surprise given this is lightsaber school and not a hema or koryu class.

[@peterstamerra445]

I’m also fairly sure this dude was set in his way on double sabers. It’s definitely a weapon about movement and this guy is stale as week-old bread. He’s ignoring how you can hit twice as often as a normal lightsaber

[@jaredflynn3750]

One of the downsides of using replica lightsabers to test the effectiveness of a saberstaff is that you can't deactivate one of the blades and use it as a single bladed lightsaber on the Fly a bunch of techniques involved activating and deactivating the secondary blade to add more variation to your attack patterns and make you more unpredictable one of my favorite techniques that I like to do with the Blade & sorcery Star Wars mod is raising my saberstaff above my head in single-bladed mode and then quickly activating the bottom blade directly in the face of the opponent who's trying to guard against the other.

[@THAvidinc]

I think a saberstaff would be incredibly effective in a real life duel where you're willing to fight with more than just your weapon. It's something Maul did really well in the movie, he kept relatively low, stayed on the offensive by parrying instead of blocking, and incorporated hand to hand combat into his style by kicking opponents away or in the legs to keep them off balance; like why real life quarterstaffs are more of a marshal arts weapon than a dueling weapon, cause you're always on the move, always flowing around your opponent. You can also use the superior mass and leverage offered by it to overpower an opponent in a clash. What I really want to see is someone with those new quick-release couplers go from staff to dual blades and overwhelm the opposition with sheer unpredictability and badassery. That would take a ton of practice to master but I bet it'd be worth it

[@PredatorZon]

Lightsabers have no mass. the blades weigh nothing so it would only be your body weight or what of it that you can apply at least. The main issue that i see with this video is that hilt is much shorter than Maul's. Using a full length hilt would allow wider range of motion and much more control over the blades in all.

[@JackSilver1410]

Right, if you notice, Maul stayed defensive most of the time and most of his maneuvers involved intercepting a blade and sort of throwing it out of the way. This puts your opponent out of line and leaves a massive opening for the other blade to come around for. I spent a lot of time dueling someone who favored the staff and she used it like a dueling shield, the wider area offered more defense and leverage to create and exploit openings. The saberstaff is devastating if you're not slaved to form.

[@CrazyNavajo007]

THAvidinc. as one with a quick release coupler and two full-size hilts with 36" blades, I must inform you that being able to switch from staff to two separate sabers is quite difficult to achieve. I have found this is because separating the coupler in the heat of battle to be nigh impossible as your hands aren't close enough to the center to get it apart. Perhaps it is my lack of training/practice with getting the coupler separated in one fluid motion that hinders me, or it could be that after several months of use without the proper lubrication makes it so difficult. Nevertheless, I am a long way from basic proficiency at this 7' monster that sleep separated in my closet, and mastery of the quick release coupler is still a long ways off.

[@THAvidinc]

CrazyNavajo007 i actually got a staff with quick release myself after i posted this, although i got the initiate size for the express purpose of being easier to dual wield, and i have to agree that its pretty difficult to do in one fluid motion. although it is still nice to have, and even if you have to draw back to disconnect them in the middle of battle, an opponent is going to have to stay on their toes to adjust to fighting against a staff and then suddenly dual sabers so i still maintain that its a viable tactic even if its not as efficient as i would like lol

[@cauchyschwarzy6356]

Lightsabers have mass according to Star Wars Rebels.

[@sethkhaine48]

If I may say, the main problem is not in a weapon itself, or its design. It lies mainly in how you wield it, like many of comments already sounded. Besides, not all combat forms can be applied to a staff, and that's why it is called advanced weapon; i've never seen or heard of any younglings started to train with a staff instead of a standard saber. I've noticed, for example, that DN holds a staff in the same manner that is of a standard sword, like one blade is meant to be main one, while the other being backward obstacle, rather then advantage. Why not to try a both-reversal grip instead? Yes, it is not so fancy, and mostly does not allow spinnings and distractions, but it's more powerful, utilizing hooking strikes, quick and strong stabs, and even brutal slashes. Combined with sertain movements, it can prove a deadly technique. Of course, it will not be like any of Shii-Cho, but noone said it is best form for using staff. Sorry, English is not my native, but I hope you will understand the idea :)

[@TerraPrimeLightsaber]

That is talked about and demonstrated at 3:14. It does not add any functionality and in fact reduces reach. DN

[@sethkhaine48]

Indeed, it reduces reach, but appropriate footwork can compensate that, i think. What I've seen at 3:14 was a frontal stance, which, obviously, not fitting for that weapon. I understand that was just a demo, though I still think, it's not as bad with all this staff stuff, as you describe. It IS has weakness, of course, but skilled fighter can somewhat neutralize that. At the end, every weapon has its limitations.

[@daimencobb321]

Seth Khaine remember in theoretical star wars combat one end of the saber can be pulled in in the middle of a fight there's an entire technique attributed to that so you don't have to worry about hitting yourself with a lateral strike or reach BC you can retract a part of it slip your hands down the hilt and move forward

[@joebennington]

Daimen Cobb good point

[@seastilton7912]

Seth Khaine Personally, I grip a sabre staff with both thumbs pointing inwards, so one hand inverse and one normal if using a normal sabre.

[@scionoffire]

Well if you look at Darth Zayna's style of fighting she's constantly spinning and twirling the lightsaber and with something that's real light and burns through metal as if it were nothing that's real hard to counter. Lightsabers are not used like Swords.

[@treblazer]

*Zannah

[@Seanomonmono]

I really want to see this attempt on someone who knows how to use a bo staff and see if they can manage to hit the handle (make them hold it like a staff saber too)

[@honorservice8073]

That's the main reason why characters who use saber staffs like those at least in the come and cartoons are the super acrobatic and are able to keep the hilt away from blows and keep the blades moving in directions of attacks

[@curseofgladstone4981]

Take me back to primary school. Used to have lightsaber fights outside. I remember trying to fight 2 people at once with a double blade one. Didnt go amazingly. But not abysmally either. I mean I lost but 2 on 1 I would anyway. Reach on the extendible kind I had were awful like 2 foot.

[@JohnArceane]

I believe this was suggested in the comments of the last saberstaff video, but I'd like to see a video delving into how Maul's fighting works and what of his moves leave him open. Really like to see that!

[@MisterNohbdy]

+Matoro Smith Maul's fighting works in large part because he's a superhuman who can routinely incorporate aerials into his moveset without getting cut in half mid-jump due to the speed of his movement. That's not exactly a human-replicable style.

[@Orowam]

+Eddlyss Arceane Ah, don't confuse this with Maul's fighting. Maul uses a variation of traditional saber staff usage called Koreo-Gra Fee.

[@sapherno11]

Honestly, avoiding the sarcastic response of Anonymous, Mauls style largely worked because he constantly was on the offensive. He did block, and fought with his opponents, but watch the last fight between Qui-Gon and Maul. Maul was on the CONSTANT attack. Even in the follow up with Obi-Wan, Maul met Obi's attacks with interception attacks of his own. The problem was, Obi was able to strike faster, and out perform the staff. Ultimately the staff is extremely useful for intimedation, as well as multiple opponents, sadly though, like any weapon, it has advantages AND weakness's. Someone trained specifically to fight against a saber staff would be able to defeat one easily, but may have difficulties against a regular single bladed opponent. Likewise, a staff trained opponent fighting a single blade would win most of the time, but could loose against another staff. TPLA tends to apply "real" sword fighting to lightsabers (like commenting on the lack of a guard on the hilt) Which can work, but Lightsaber dueling in the movies was NEVER designed for that, which is why people have to create their own styles

[@MisterNohbdy]

I wasn't being sarcastic. Maul's style is extremely dependent on using the Force to boost his physical capabilities beyond human (or Zabrak) limits. Trying to mimic his flashy moves is a great way to die uselessly in a fight. That's not to say one can't create multiple interesting and practical styles for real-life saberstaff usage (as practical as a saberstaff can be, anyway), but Maul's style isn't one of those.

[@sapherno11]

I wasn't saying you were being sarcastic to Maul, I meant the flippy things. If you actually watch 1 again, Maul uses none of those "boosts". Actually, most Jedi do not, its simple sword play. Anakin, and Obi-Wan are really the only Jedi that seemed to use the Force to amplify physical abilities, and then rarely. Obi-Wan uses it...twice I believe, Anakin several times, and Qui-Gon uses it once in 1. What your describing is true IN THE EU, which is no longer canon, therefore we don't know if it still applies. His "flashy" moves work perfectly fine, because Maul is a Master Duelist. If you take a sword Master, a TRUE sword master of our world, and give him a foot long stick, take an apprentice, and give him a spear, the Master is going to win every time. Because weapons don't really matter, unless the fighters are equal. Maul is an extremely deadly fighter, he can AFFORD to be flashy, which then further intimidates his opponents. He got cocky though, which let Obi cut his staff in two, but look how quickly he beats Obi-wan afterwards. Ultimately you can be as flashy as you want in a fight, as long as you are faster then your opponent.

[@firebolt100]

For those who are defending the honor of the "saber staff", I want you to "let go of your feelings". This guy was perfectly right about everything in this video. To say that this weapon is an advanced weapon that requires an advanced user is *not* a sign of a superior weapon. In real life, the easiest or simplest of weapons is the best one to use. If you (the reader) were proficient in both weapons , and you were capable of getting the job done just the same, then it would be wise that you pick the simplest option because it provides the greatest possible outcome in a battle.

[@sapherno11]

No. He's not. Bluntly put, These guys actively hate saber staff. Its not exactly a "well kept" secret. And your also wrong about "in real life". Dude, its a fucking "sci-fi" flick. The fighting style doesn't EXIST, and neither does the weapons in question. These are toys used by guys making this shit up as they go. Bluntly put, the "best weapon" to use is one that's unpredictable. The second or two of surprise can win you the fight, which is sorta the whole point. The largest problem with using the "easiest or simplest weapons" is that means other people have used them before, and would use them again. Meaning your Predictable. You can train yourself to use ANYTHING, and win. Want proof? Look at the Deer Antler Knives. They are a Very advanced weapon. And yet its one of the most terrifying weapons I've ever had the misfortune to fight against, even with a Spear it was hard to keep my distance from the person I was sparring with. I would advise you to actually go to a Lightsaber dueling club YOURSELF, In PERSON, and fight someone who actually has trained and knows how to use a Saber Staff in combat before you start ripping apart a weapon. If the weapon doesn't work, that's the User's fault, not the weapon.

[@firebolt100]

You just explained to me that this is all fiction weaponry, and then you tell me to go get some experience in lightsaber dueling... Kinda doesn't fit right to me, but whatever. My comment is in response to this video where this guy is thinking of the practicality of these lightsabers! This video is an explanation as to how difficult the "saberstaff" would be to use (compared to a normal lightsaber). I looked up "Deer Antler Knives" as you suggested. It doesn't look like an advanced weapon; they just look like knives. I'd say the element of surprise is agreeably effective (even in a fictional fight). I'm sorry that you encountered a situation where a guy with a Deer Antler Knife attacked you, but I'm equally satisfied that you defended yourself with your spear. I never joined a lightsaber dueling club before, but I do have my 6yrs of experience in Karate (when I was younger). Using the Bo (staff) requires hand movement all over the weapon to be effective. The Bo touches all over your body when swinging it around or striking. In conclusion: it would be much more difficult to use a "saberstaff" than the original lightsaber. If you were to go to war, or maybe a fighting tournament... the best advantage is to have a comfortable weapon.

[@sapherno11]

Actually your comment is directed at "For those who are defending the honor of the "saber staff", I want you to "let go of your feelings". Aka, this was directed at anyone who actually uses Saber Staff, which I do. And yes, It is difficult to use, which was the point I was getting at. I always assumed an "advanced" weapon means its not something you can just pick up and use, its something you have to actually have special or specific training to use effectively. I would consider automatic Rifles to be like this. After all, you can't just "squeeze the trigger and pray it works" in real life. There are specific training tactics you use to make sure you can use it the most effectively. I'd say saber staff is no different. My comment is directed because the points you made would apply if these were real weapons. They are not, they're toys, which martial artists have then actively taken, and tried to create fighting styles From. How they use them in the movie frankly isn't possible to do in real life. I suggested you face someone who actually has trained to use it so you can see someone who HAS that special training, and knows how to use the weapon. It CAN be an effective tool in the right hands, hence a "advanced weapon." Huh? Attacked? I practice Shaolin martial arts, It wasn't an attack, it was a sparring match for training purposes. As for Bo, I've used it as well, and saberstaff handles completely differently, because for Bo, your using the Kinetic energy of the staff to give your strikes power, as well as leverage. Remember these blades are superheated Plasma. They don't need kinetic energy to cut your hand off, or take your head. Hence, a completely seperate weapon, and a fighting style we can't recreate IRL. In conclusion, Going to war or a tournament, your best bet would be whatever YOU trained with. If you focused all your time into Saberstaff, you'd be a deadly opponent in just about any setting, assuming it was real. if you decided to train regular, then you'd be a deadly weapon with THAT. The Tool does not effect the deadliness of the warrior using it.

[@firebolt100]

Okay we've got some mutual understanding then. The "saberstaff" would be more difficult to use effectively than the traditional lightsaber. For that reason, I encourage the training to be something simpler to better ensure victory. I kinda assumed this video was a persuasive message about the "saberstaff". The way I've always understood advanced weapons was that they were better than non advanced weapons. To use your weapon example of guns... A modern semi-automatic rifle would be more advanced than the Colonial rifles of the American Revolution. (easy to use, and performs better = advanced). If you use the more difficult option successfully, then you're an exception to this video's message. I never meant to sound like I dislike the "saberstaff" because of it's difficulty. Cheers to you.

[@jollygoodfellow3957]

The biggest problem with a "real" saberstaff is that you can't turn off the blades. If you could turn the blades off and on mid-fight, like actual lightsabers, then it would be a superb weapon.

[@xenomorphelv4265]

The tip is to turn OFF one side of the staff and only enable it at the opportune moment for a sneaky strike or fast counterattack.

[@nerfreak01]

My fight style is derived from my time in a Shorin- Ryu Matsumura Seito karate and kobudo dojo. I was there for 5-6 years. Once I reached green belt, we began learning staffs, kendo sticks, sais and faux katanas (wooden) I quit after being a 1st degree black belt for little over a year.

[@warmcrunch3829]

Words of Bane. When fighting a staff, as long as you see where the hilt is angled, you know what he will do.

[@ShadowBear0524]

why, in the star wars movies the opponent doesn't go for the hands is cause the double bladed staff is used by someone who is contently attacking or offensive, so there is no time for one to do that and not be left open. Unless the staff person is treating it like a normal saber and strikes like that.

[@thenitpickchannel9993]

The saberstaff is meant for full body movement. Using it like a double bladed sword is quite different.

[@viper_4115]

Awesome video! I enjoy hearing and seeing the things I've always talked about with friends.

[@MuJo73]

i try to use it as a single hand spear. ive hit the same problems. so i just try to keep the handle close to the body, minimal spinning and only spin when i need the saber on the other side of my body.

[@johnslover9798]

I think what would need to be required would be an automatic system by which it would sense your body and turn off the blade that would intersect it. You could then fight freely and get a full range of motion and also keep the benefits of having two blades. Sort of like how old airplane machine guns on prop fighters were mechanically linked to the engine, so they'd shoot between the prop blades.

[@Never-n2t]

I don’t know if I should get dark apprentice v2 or the double blade

[@clevernamerighthere9240]

My question is why can’t you defend your hands the same way you would if someone attacked them when your holding a traditional saber

[@thejollyskrub1972]

What about thrusts and defensive play. He only addresses spins and swings

[@KillaAhmadilla]

I think a major factor with the sabers behave in the movies (other than the rule of cool) is that lightsabers don't contact each other the same way swords do. They magnetically repel and sometimes attract each other. This would make it difficult to slide and would explain the lack of any hand protection in most sabers.

[@dorianzane2548]

This is the reason double ended swords weren't used historically. It's just not practical. There's no need to get defensive about it though. It still looks cool and adds interesting variety and challenge to sparring.

[@Prsnmike]

What size blades does he use

[@torinslik6577]

Is it just me, or do the blades on his double sabre look a bit short? It could just be me.

[@Nerdiness1985]

I've done HEMA style dueling against somebody using a saber staff. It's quite easy, just target the hands, same thing that also works quite well with normal sword fighting. hands and arms are quite vulnerable, especially since light sabers don't come with cross guards or any kind of hand protection. Considering i always practice without any protective gear you learn very quickly that strikes on the hands are to be avoided. You lose reach when you use a saber staff since the hands are in the middle of it and it's next to impossible to defends yourself once you get in too close. So just target the hilt/ hands and it's very difficult for somebody using a saber staff to defend themselves.

[@noneayourbusiness5149]

When you think of the staff, which is the most basic variant of this style of weapon (without blades obviously), the huge benefit of the staff was its versatility. You could hold it in the center, using both ends as weapons (the style that's most effective when fighting multiple opponents from multiple angles), or you can hold one end and fight with the full range of the weapon (the style most effective against single opponents or multiple from a limited angle). The Saberstaff has none of that versatility. It relies solely on either being effective against the multiple opponents + angles, or deactivating one blade and effectively just becoming a normal saber with an elongated hilt. There is very little benefit to using the second blade against a single opponent except a surprise (and hopefully kill) strike.

[@thekhanman3462]

Where did you get the lightsabers?

[@ethanlindberg9026]

Hmmm also there is more switching of sides via flipping over the other person or people, so maybe learning to flip over a person would help, maybe at a trampoline park.

[@Khast_exe]

these problems are why niman was developed

[@einhand2010]

Juyo as well.

[@maestrojong1990]

Where did you get your lightsaber?

[@novustalks7525]

I love these videos they’re so educational in a Fun and pointless way . Thank you!

[@leoharper3888]

I don't know about other companies but Ultrasabers sells a extension which instead of being a double bladed saber it is a light pike. Which has a shorter blade but longer handle. I think that would be interesting to see in a video.

[@TerraPrimeLightsaber]

+Leo Harper Here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnSzkIFnoamErK8 sparing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqrZq4Gind6Sl5Y DN

[@leoharper3888]

+TPLA:Terra Prime Lightsaber Academy (Light Armory) Wow! Thanks!

[@blujay5853]

So if the hilt to saber ratio was bigger, would it be a more flexible weapon?

[@AlexHernandez-ee5hd]

To be frank, I know it's been a while since this was posted, but if you are going to use a double-bladed lightsaber, you need to be pretty acrobatic. You have to put your entire body into it to use the saber properly. More so with the new inquisitor double-bladed lightsabers. It only has room for a single hand, and they are 6'5" long, so you have to be moving your entire body at all times.

[@canaldoboto7150]

What is the manufacturer of these sabers?

[@SuperiorSquid]

How does that Black Guy fight?

[@karendavidson7752]

Why are they wielding them likes swords. They have to spin and move about

[@djaynewman]

I hadn't thought about the hand area as a weakness. I think I might be better off with a single light saber for now and use my staff to learn flourishes and exercises. Even a spear form of light saber would have those weaknesses since a light saber can just cut through the shaft of the spear.

[@sapherno11]

The center of a staff is always a weakness, but it can be trained around :)

[@mrutadasing5173]

there are metals and substances and even creatures and animals that can repelled and even disable lightsaber blows

[@djaynewman]

anthony MrUtadaSing But wasn't that in the expanded universe as opposed to current canon?

[@mrutadasing5173]

with the skill tutaminis one can deflect and parry lightsaber blows and even blaster fire darth vader and several other jedi had the ability madalorian armor had some resist to lightsaber blows and well as other types of metal which I do not remember but you can look them up there was a monster on clone wars series which was comepletely impervious to blaster fire and lightsabers its even possible with a skilled jedi to use tutaminis on a weapon to make it stronger and more resilent like a wooden staff like yoda's master did but I don't know if it is still canon or not that would suck if were cause that is a very cool aspect of starwars. even grevious bodyguards weapons had some type of lightsaber resistance to it

[@christianrosado8639]

Is a staff saber a better weapon used against none saber opponents?

[@redmenace1570]

Yeah there's a space in the middle of the staff that you can strike. But this simple problem can be fixed with reach establishment. Keeping your distance. Making orbital strikes as barriers between you and the opponent. Precision is replaced by speed and unpredictability. Defense is replaced by an overwhelming offense. Not every strike is supposed to be met with a block. Its not always about how the weapon is designed but how the practitioner uses it. Its about user preference. If one finds it more natural to use a staff, they could have an advantage over someone who naturally uses a single blade. Theres much more nuance there than yall are giving it. Ive taken on multiple opponents with a staff. It takes alot of endurance, cardio, and agility. Not every duel should mirror fencing.

[@supguy5715]

It dont have sound effects....

[@CovertLemon]

Dude I wanna try that! Where do I sign up?

[@monsterbash9758]

When I get some money for the decent lightsabers I'm going to make myself a set of lightsaber nunchucks!

[@MasterDoctorBenji]

Training with a Bo staff for the past 5 years makes this nearly impossible for me XD you have to use Saber proof Armor. Or use the less mobile double fist grip.

[@sirJ1G]

this requires a lot more movement, which these two gentlemen aren't trained to do.

[@shade419]

I've had a lot of training with the Bo as well, my advice would be that unless you're using the double bladed saber for the traditional figure-8 shield, or for paddled strikes, either keep it in one hand or use two hand trades for rotation.

[@SIR1U5]

I hope the student can hear (and understand) what the teacher is saying cos I sure as hell can't

[@SIR1U5]

Then they took off their fencing hats

[@partydave1067]

I believe that unique lightsaber styles requires training and utlizing the technique. It's a sort of level of mastery and proficency

[@treblazer]

idk why but find using a saber staff more comfortable than using a standard blade

[@Goldfire345]

I'd say the best way to practice with a Saber staff would be like they said to have one where u can actually retract one of the blades to change it into a regular sword and practice with someone switching from one to 2 blades or have one that can be separated into 2 weapons to again change it into swords then reconnect it at a certain point. (I actually made one that does both as its 2 weapons that connect and I can retract each blade individually) the advantages of a weapon like that would be changing it on the fly so That the opponent opponent has has keep adjusting to the changing weapon. That's my theory any way I'm no martial arts expert but I do have the weapon and that's what I felt from training with it.

[@ajthegreat4923]

i am wanting to get into saber fighting how do i find places near me and what are things i will need?

[@alxkrks]

What sabers are these that can take the beating of dueling?

[@ben_cm1141]

WHERE DID U BUY UR SABERSTAFF I CANT FIND ONE AND I REALLY WANT ONE

[@Swift_Vortex]

He got it from amazon.

[@MarkHoltze]

This is super cool! Love it!

[@jmoliere1207]

exarcun used that style were he would shut one blade off or if the person used a darkfire cyrstal

[@BikerMiceOne]

Vader did say if you are strong with the dark side you only ever need 1 lightsaber

[@AlphaCoreano]

How long is that?

[@bregonwebb8921]

The blade is held with regards to STRONG force users in the star wars universe. You generally don't see those weaker or less versed in the techniques of the force wielding a double bladed lightsaber. Plenty of people have gotten this to work against experienced fighters. It is just a matter of getting creative with your stances and being INCREDIBLY active which is kinda a downside and kinda a pro at the same time.

[@tamrachizmar6496]

My only downside to owning a saberStaff is because it has two blades it's longer, the blades will tend to bend and in my opinion it just doesn't look authentic if your going for the cineimatic look or even comics for that matter because when one side hits, either though the other isn't touched it will bend a little or a lot and visually I don't like it. But physically it's fun and can really give you an advantage when dueling. I wouldn't recommend getting the maul FX black series because those get really really bent and FX black series aren't even meant to duel in my opinion and shit even just free training in the air you can feel the pull and bend on the other side. Idk I love double sabers. There more unconventional than curved hilts and cross blades but I wouldn't duel with them unless they were more stable feeling. Also I love mauls design and if I were to customize one of my own I'd make it all black and in the middle maybe make it with a silver gernade hand grip style like old Ben Kenobi new hope hilt. Not ROS obi wan though.

[@lavender-rosefox8817]

yeah thats if you use kendo with a staff the samurai never used staffs now if you use shoalin stick fighting or ninjutsu where you do move around fighting your opponent then it gets harder to land a strike plus a staff is more of a defensive weapon as opposed to the sword which is offensive i know this not from practicing martial arts as im too weedy to do any as far as i know but i do do a little research and watch documentaries

[@absolutebuffoon1679]

Thats why double bladed swords dont exist, but staves and polearms do.

[@matninja123]

So theoretically a lightsaber-pike would be more practical than a dual-bladed saberstaff. Cool.

[@thedeathreaperofficial8079]

The large hilt is a big target. It's one of the reasons Obi-Wan defeated Maul. Qui-Gon didn't take advantage of the weakness.

[@octagon7732]

The dual saber is a theatrical prop, not a weapon. This is the reason it doesn't work, It would be much better to have a 5 ft grip with 6 inch blades on either end in order to better utilize the mechanics. Also, about 3 minutes in, they say that in order to hit an opponent with the staff, you have to side step. This is called a passing step, something you should already be doing every time you hit.

[@MillerJustinFS]

In order to fight with a saber staff you have to be a force powered acrobat.

[@bentaylor809]

Justin Miller or know what you're doing. He's putting too much real technique into a weapon that requires it's own technique

[@snapjackal]

I find that so annoying. When you square up with someone and they just poke tap at your knuckles and laugh.

[@mudflap1264]

A difficult weapon wielded by an awful combatant.

[@snackpup]

omg it is such a difficult weapon omg

[@loleo123]

..... As long as you wield the force I do believe you could use it. But now... The problem is that the force is a FICTIONAL thing... Sooooo I don't think the WORLD GREATEST combatant could actaully use this weapon in an actual duel

[@loleo123]

That's becasue he is a gut Lord Minty is Gut KomBatanNT And doesn't MinD KUTTING HIMSELF while fighting.

[@thispandaispurple]

There is a reason weapons like this were never popular in the real world.

[@loleo123]

@Jason Smith You believe what you want dude! Nothings holding you back. I just don't believe in that stuff! But you do you! There's nothing wrong in believing!

[@dontaescisson7472]

They're using Lacrosse gloves

[@schattenkrieger4803]

here is the thing try holding it like a spear not a quarter staff oh wait most people hold a quarter staff like a spear because you can poke with it there is a point to a lightsaber thats why dooku uses a fencing style you just need to use it like a polearm not a sword

[@toadiefrogvideo9579]

If you spin the saber it would make it hard for him to hit your hands not to mention your to much on the defence when you use the double bladed lightsaber you must be more aggeresive and overwhelm your oppones with saber stricks so you cant give them time to focus on your hands speed is key when it. Comes to the dobble bladed lightsaber

[@unfunnyyt6405]

I mean you need the space to stun them

[@AKlover]

Ignoring the blade would seem suicidal for both of you. But yes your circling footwork and arm movement with a saber staff would have to be constant.

[@sapherno11]

I agree completely. I feel with a regular saber, you fight and move the saber around you. When you fight with a staff though, you fight Around the staff, which they didn't do at all, or try to do really.

[@scottjuhnke6825]

I'd be curious to see your syaff technique against Shadiversity's double bladed sword technique.

[@norarkon2386]

Just imagine a jedi who mastered saberstaff so he could switch blades on and off, changing between blades while performing strikes and flurries. (I'm not sure if Exar Kun could do it.)

[@SuperMonkey94]

+Nor Arkon exar kun did that but also changed the size of the blades at will. he was a very unpredictable fighter.

[@politiciancranberry]

I keep seeing the other guy slide his saber down your saberstaff to hit your hands, but from what we see in the movies and shows, sabers bind kind of like sharp swords. I think the ineffectiveness of the saberstaff is at least partly do to how we imitate sabers in general, same for the crossguard saber. The saber community might want to look into blackfencers's sharp simulator line. making saber blades like those would certainly ruin the look but if you want to replicate saber combat it will give you the binding/sticking effect real sabers have.

[@Cordcraze]

I guess this means, in looking at 3:05 minutes, that in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul actually sliced himself in half, when fighting Obi Wan Kenobi, but Obi Wan took false credit! You bad bad man, Obi Wan Kenobi!

[@rockstarsakib1328]

acthully the real problem is the handle .it was to be double the size of an ordanary long sword

[@skeleton1765]

I always though the fight with Maul was terrible. They looked like they were trying to hit their lightsabers together instead of trying to kill each other.

[@arandomtoychannel8117]

Evan Austin well Jedi don't kill on the other a count it's meant to look like that 3 experienced force users dueling with years of practicing noting how to block and parry and attack while using a defensive stance

[@skeleton1765]

What? Please use punctuation. I honestly have no idea if your with me or against me.

[@markloeffler85]

Ok here is how I would wield a double bladed lightsaber. I would turn of the second blade, and then treat it as a normal lightsaber with a point-blank ranged blaster at the bottom of it.

[@ariqrahman2022]

Mark Loeffler genius

[@spshouppe]

Seems that a single blade saber has the advantage, as long as he can get into the saberstaff's zone. Are there any realistic methods for a saberstaff to have the edge in a 1v1 duel?

[@TerraPrimeLightsaber]

+Stephen Shouppe (Whitakker) Not really, the disadvantages are in the design and physical properties of the weapon. Check out the previous video for ideas on how to try to minimize these effects. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZa2eZmvnbJnnJY DN

[@sapherno11]

I'd say the disadvantages are more the physical properties of the blade itself. I used a saberstaff and it worked fairly well to intimidate opponents, because I could flash out strikes fairly quickly. The problem, like you pointed out in your video, is plastic blades slide along one another.

[@jaylist7822]

going by in starwars terms yes many saberstaff duellists can beat single bladed sabers in a one on one duel, the thing is they need to be faster and focus on being aggressive and bieng intimidating. even if single bladed duelists arent looking at your blades Saberstaff duelists can still counter it, especially cuplink saberstaff or curved saberstaffs

[@sapherno11]

I'd disagree Fox. Even using "starwars terms", the martial arts remains sound. A Saberstaff has a Massive weakness, and a curved or cuplink staff doesn't negate that weakness. Ultimate what determines a warrior's victory is Not the weapon they hold. What determines victory is how skilled they are with their weapon, and their combat experience. A sword master, unarmed, could easily defeat an apprentice with the best sword/spear/shield ever made in the history of the world, for example.

[@jaylist7822]

I agree completely that's what i was trying to say although i guess not well it is about the skill not the weapon, but that's why curved would have an advantage as you need more skill than a regular saberstaff to master an it has more manoeuvrability.

[@j.chesters2109]

3:07 the guy with the blue lightsaber looks like he has been stabbed.😂

[@tiger3577]

this explains Mauls death perfectly. He should have watched this video

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Why do I feel as a classically trained swordsmen I would Dominate this scene. The discussions being had are ridiculous to me. “The only way I can hit you from the side is to move sideways”. That’s exactly how you are supposed to strike with a sword period. If you don’t move past the persons sword and simply cut swideways your gambling on weather your getting countered. The only time this is not the case is in fencing where cuts are non-existent. 70percent of swordsmanship is moving your feet, you absolutely must move around and past the person. The only other consistent way to win is to invite the person to strike when you intend to remove yourself as he follows through and attack him immediately as he passes. Anything’s else typically results in both parties hitting each other. The only way to prove your system is to hit with enough force to cause considerable pain and leave protection on the hands and head only. After time sparring in this way you will understand basic truths.

[@hopefulhyena3400]

One thing I don’t like about lightsaber stuff is the idea that you score a point for hitting the handle. Hands I understand but the handle? There are metals in the Star Wars universe, 3 that I know of, that resist being cut by a lightsaber. We know they are able to be forged because we see them as shields and sometimes even armor. The magnaguards even make their electro staffs out of one of them! Why on god’s green earth, if my weapon were to have such a HUGE handle like on a saber staff, would I not make it out of that metal? Clearly people are gonna try and cut my weapon in half, why would I even let that be possible? And on that topic, we know that the lightsabers they give to younglings are non-lethal variants by adjusting the power output, so why doesn’t a saber staff user ever make a staff with “blades” weak enough to hold? Especially if you have gloves of a lightsaber resistant material? Then yeah it’d be less lethal, but you’d have the full capabilities of an actual staff!

[@z0mbyz624]

Ever wondered why nobody used a double-blade irl? Here's your answer

[@Bobatrice]

Interesting, but honestly, if I was force sensitive I would just force choke any opponent. Why bother with the light saber at all?

[@TerraPrimeLightsaber]

So you assume the other people with the lightsaber are NOT force sensitive? Seems a gamble. DN

[@donutboi467]

Lightsaber Pikes for the win. They let you use the length

[@kahnl4489]

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[@spacecowboy3968]

The reason doublestaff sabers are effective is because not a lot of jedi or sith alike use them, because they are more difficult to master. Its an unfamiliar weapon to most who go against it in life or death combat but if one understands its limitations then anyone of equal power of lightsaber combat would surely be able to defeat there enemy with a single blade.

[@Gabelebabele]

Fantastic video!:-)

[@LawlTwins]

People say this is an advanced weapon ect.. I could be incorrect but wasnt the saberstaff used by most combatants in the times of the old republic? Much like battle armour the saberstaff had its main usage in war. It was a weapon used for WAR. I'm not replying to the comments about it being practical in reality but in the lore it was meant to be superior to a single blade.

[@austinblades8903]

LawlTwins well no it was still fairly uncommon in tor era. Only the most skill duelists or those able to heavily augment there strength and speed used them often. I think its even stated in kotor 2 that saberstaves are incredibly difficult to wield without lots of training

[@shade419]

It was superior, however as Austin points out, it was also a hell of a lot harder to use well. Given that making a mistake with it could be... unfortunate.

[@mji107]

Dude you seem awfully mean about the saberstaff

[@VestedUTuber]

Shadiversity did a video on double-bladed swords that basically debunks a lot of what you're trying to claim here.