JINKIES! Velma Is OBNOXIOUSLY BAD...

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[@Dreamartist47]

Hi

[@yourlol_1164]

Cool

[@xeno2873]

Yo

[@konoheisenbergda]

Furry?

[@kieranstark7213]

*Third* The only people who would defend Velma/Mindy Kailing are the people who think when a girl loves a guy who only sees her as a friend, he only acts like a jerk because he secretly loves her. I’m sorry, who’s the jerk then? m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/n17IiJuqiL9lpbs

[@PixelPetal372]

"I identify so much as her character." Proceeds to erase who Velma is as a character to self insert herself.

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

like a fanfic writer.

[@eaglefan2569]

@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Correction, like a really NEW fanfic writer who hasn't gotten called out for it yet

[@StanleyNumber427]

@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 That is an insult to fanfic writers. At least fanfic writers respect or care about the source material, instead of trashing it like Mindy did.

[@alphachurch01]

It came off more she wants everyone to love her like they do the OG Velma and no one does

[@nathankeown3531]

I thought it was odd that she says as instead of with

[@MannytheHeadlessMemeHorse]

What I hate about these "mature" adult shows is that they usually pointlessly portray the characters as jerks. Like adults can't relate to people who are kind to each other or anything 😒

[@MannytheHeadlessMemeHorse]

@secretudontknow 😒

[@blobbertmcblob4888]

THESE kinds of people can't. These rich bitches who've never been around anyone but nasty, bitter, vulgar people.

[@MannytheHeadlessMemeHorse]

@Correctical 😒😒

[@Stonex180]

I heard that was the point for Velma. You’re supposed to hate the characters and watch their character development.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Stonex180 It feels less like the characters are being mean and the writers being mean to the viewer via the characters.

[@KurtisHere_91]

They didn't race swap Shaggy, they turned him into an entirely different character

[@Mick_92]

Right? Like, I can still imagine the tattooed blonde hipster at 5:14 sounding and acting like a Shaggy. But not this character. I actually guffawed when I first saw him because of how un-shaggylike the design is. It's like a Ship of Theseus of a character. If you replace everything about a character's personality AND looks, and only keep its name (and green shirt and brown pants, because that's all what matters when it comes to Shaggy I guess?) can it still be called the same character?

[@ObieDobieZoomer]

Shaggy isn't in the show. there is only Norville, and we all hate him.

[@sunnythehedgehog5026]

​@@ObieDobieZoomer I know this sounds like i am heartless for saying this but I hope that this entire velma universe die painfully.

[@DeviemTwen]

I can see why Shaggy doesn’t like being called “Norville” now.

[@NopeihaveNoName]

@goofyahh2011 I think they just meant literally everything that made Shaggy, well, Shaggy has been removed, including his name. So now it's just Norville, not even them race-swapping Shaggy, y'know?

[@demonking3673]

My headcannon: Velma’s mom left her because she thinks her daughter is a disappointment

[@mannysmyname]

That is legit what happened - or is it? I dunno, I tuned out after episode 3

[@sombreroguy7688]

@@mannysmyname I tuned out after the first episode, so props to you for making it that far

[@daniapfel9673]

Yeah

[@demonking3673]

@@sombreroguy7688 I tuned out 5 minutes in the first episode.

[@sunnythehedgehog5026]

Correction I would have just ran away and never come back if I had her for my daughter and I will have changed my name and start over again with a new family.

[@CloudBomb3r]

The biggest issue I have about Velma is that she literally is just Mindy Kaling, she is literally just self-inserting herself to be as rude and cynical as possible

[@viruscure4677]

@The Owl can you stop spamming this shit??....

[@codycrawford7842]

@theowldidthat The bots are evolving.

[@dsamuel2116]

@@codycrawford7842 they gained an extra brain cell

[@planescaped]

I don't know if I buy the self-insert theory. As these hateful, smug, hypocritical and amoral characters are a trend in Hollywood in general. I think it's writers just trying to write how they think young people are these days. All these portrayals of maladjusted and socially defective cretins and weirdos not as flawed characters who need redemption, but good guys and heroes, says a lot though... It's not subverting expectations either, it's just bizarre character writing.

[@atomiccrouton]

yeah it comes across as poorly constructed fan fiction

[@thiccartorius2132]

For a writer that is against stereotypes, Mindy sure did make every character in this show a living stereotype.

[@as3957]

She isn't one of the writers.

[@bjcantrell1990]

Part and parcel for the pc crowd nowadays.

[@keontaewilliams5197]

How tho? Most of the characters aren’t really stereotypes

[@thiccartorius2132]

@@keontaewilliams5197 I mean, just Velma by herself proves my point lol.

[@falconeshield]

@@as3957 Doesn't matter she paid for this sh*t to be real

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

Not only does Shaggy not act like himself, he doesn't even LOOK like himself. And i'm not talking about the skin color here. He looks like a goddamn Total Drama Island OC

[@shwahgamer]

That's cause it's not Shaggy. They just replaced his character entirely.

[@fudgeoffrin]

​@@shwahgameryes

[@stevenquartzcutiepiedemayo8272]

Hey that's an insult to TDI

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

Huh, I wasn’t the only one thinking it looked like tdi.

[@willothewisps476]

I didn’t even think that, but now that I’m looking at this version of Shaggy? You’re right.

[@thescoon1]

What's weird about Mindy's quote is that she says she relates to her character, but then *completely* reworks her whole personality from being likeable to being detestable. So either she doesn't actually identify with her character originally and is just virtue signalling, or she is atrocious at capturing the personality of the original Velma. Neither option is good.

[@mrrunodan8119]

Or maybe she is jealous of her

[@velaethia6]

Velma in this isn't Velma. It's a mindy self insert and makes me never want to meet her.

[@Siathuan]

Possibly, she depicted what she saw as the OG Velma. Which is possibly the worst, since that means she's completely unhinged.

[@BuddySweyzer]

One positive about Velma: It might actually create world peace by uniting literally everybody in hating it.

[@anueutsuho7425]

Yeah I have seen a grand total of 0 people like this. People legit liked Big Mouth. And I assumed the people who liked that one would like this too. But from what I can tell I was wrong.

[@littlegreen4129]

Game of Thrones tried and failed at that, so i dont see why Velma should be able to :/ (And yes, im still salty after 4 years)

[@Klufenza]

I'm pretty sure Putin likes Velma. He's that bad

[@deannas2778]

@@littlegreen4129 this show has done the impossible...beating game of thrones in almost 100 percent hatred.

[@BenjaMan64]

Most importantly, it has made people appreciate the real Scooby-Doo gang and franchise more.

[@FearlessLeader2001]

Bluey is unironically more adult than Velma

[@Good100]

Velma is adult and childish. Bluey is mature and for kids. Different things.

[@FearlessLeader2001]

@LewaLew wait, really? Bluey is kids show? /sarcasm

[@sgtstr3am785]

"My son watches Bluey" "No, you watch Bluey and our son plays in the room." -My wife 😂

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

Exactly bluet is a masterpiece

[@FearlessLeader2001]

@@sgtstr3am785 wholesome

[@ghostrights9314]

HBO: “Right-wing trolls! All the criticism is from right-wing trolls!” Liberals: “We hate it, too.” Mindy Kaling: “Yeah…but you’re white, straight, *male* liberals.” POC, Women, LGBT People: “Hate it.” WB: “Uh-oh.”

[@mtaur4113]

The show honestly reads like an attempted right-wing parody of wokeism, which explains why it's so senseless and mean and relentlessly unfunny.

[@gabrielsalvemini7489]

liberals of the right and left are downright embarrassing. the West has really gone mad.

[@alexgomez6723]

I can’t help but think this was a subtle parody of what some might consider “woke” shows. It’s often accused of putting white men in a bad light, but frankly, no man of any color is really portrayed all that positively in this series. Sometimes I feel like I’m only convincing myself it’s satire or parody because I didn’t think anyone could lack this much self awareness. Imagine fucking up so bad you united the entire political spectrum and fundamental ideological opponents on a common cause.

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

This basically was nail on the head. Take the “oppression ladder” - that thing that determines how oppressed you are - turn that upside down. That’s who the woke crowd try to benefit. Thus those are the ones to be swapped to just for a lazy cash grab. It’s not the blind deaf elder trans black lady man that’s the problem - even if kinda weird to me and many others, it’s the sick in the head politicians and Hollywood making our media swapping races and genders. It’s aggravating, but remember to direct it where it belongs - those using the different types of people as shields, advertising, and voting machines.

[@TheAdventuresOfJimiJaden]

Haha, I’ll say the hate for this show is bringing us together and setting our differences aside. There’s something everybody can agree on

[@veroxid]

Mindy Kaling went on record on the Conan show admitting to sexual harassment and then extorting her subordinates to keep it secret; "Tell anyone and you're fired." And she wasn't even apologetic about it, either.

[@collinkeyser6827]

What's Worse Is The Audience Was 😃 About It.

[@veroxid]

@@collinkeyser6827 Show's like Conan literally have a "Laugh" light.

[@redpanda6497]

@@collinkeyser6827 That's so messed up. Like, really no one questioned anything she said?

[@cameronbosch1213]

That's blackmail and sexual harassment. She could be charged for that! She should.

[@thefirstofthelastones8952]

So basically she just admitted she committed a felony on live television yet people were okay with it?

[@spddiesel]

The best part about the Johnny Bravo crossover was when they bumped into each other and both lost their glasses. Velma, of course, said "my glasses! I can't see without my glasses!" Johnny, on the other hand, was all "my glasses! I can't be seen without my glasses!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@MiyuwiTV]

@p o p robot

[@hamnporkgamer]

@@MiyuwiTV robots are useful for different important task this on the other hand is a bot that targets channels with its only goal is bait

[@MiyuwiTV]

@@hamnporkgamer lol yeah I agree, this person is an insult to robots all around the world, at least robots do useful things to society

[@vestavind]

By reading your comment, I was suddenly taken back 20 years in time... to my grandparents house. Cartoon Network was a bit exclusive back then and they were the only ones in my family who had it. I loved watching Scooby Doo and Johnny Bravo, and I remember that crossover so well! A good memory indeed.

[@TheLegendaryBillCipher]

That was fantastic.

[@EeveeTrainerAlex]

The worst part about the Velma/Daphnie kiss was that it was used to stop a panic attack. That's a really bad thing to do.

[@eliezra83771]

Why is it bad, I have anxiety disorders and hugs from people who love me help a lot you know

[@LocalShortie]

@@eliezra83771 well she wasnt hugged, she was kissed, completely different. also plenty of people with anxiety disorders (like myself) hate being touched when having an attack and would make things worse during the attack. It can be a claustrophobic feeling. It varies from person to person. You (not /you/ you, but the general "you") also just shouldn't kiss people when it's not the time or place.

[@HarmonyOfTheVoice]

@@eliezra83771 i dont think hugs equal sexually charged kisses

[@joelle4226]

@@eliezra83771do they hug you without warning

[@ally939]

Wait, really? That’s messed up

[@marcuscarana9240]

Fred's character design actually looks nice. So sad what they did to him. Turning him into a useless, man baby.

[@graylykan2739]

Exactly. Look how they massacred my boy. They massacred ALL of the Mystery Inc.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@graylykan2739 and also the Mystery Machine.

[@chazztreat8317]

@@merafirewing6591 and scooby doo? Where are you?

[@blueflare3848]

If the characters were completely original and weren't associated with a pre-existing franchise, I don't think I would mind any of the character designs as much. They don't inherently look bad on their own. They're bad because of the fact they don't look or act like the characters they're supposed to be.

[@elliottpak]

Gigi’s character design also looks very well done imo. Bonus points for being one of the very few characters who is a decent person.

[@DestructionatorWitch]

Why did they make Velma so obnoxiously stupid and close-minded if Mindy said "she's the woman that solves all the mysteries and never gets credit for it" ??? Like?? She was 100% sure that Fred was the killer because he's a rich white guy. Wow, what a detective.

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

They did Fred so dirty, and it hurts my soul. Not because of toxic masculinity, but because he was one of the few characters who accurately represented jocks in media. Jocks and gym bros are not _bad._ I was actually surprised when I first started working out at the amount of people willing to give me a hand, and who reassured me that I needn't be ashamed of not being able to lift a lot of weight. For whatever reason, however, Hollywood _hates_ them. Jocks always get portrayed as dumb or mean, when in reality most of them are the exact opposite. Fred was the exception to this rule, and he got absolutely butchered. The creators didn't do anything "subversive" by making him an idiot, because that's the standard in this industry.

[@micahcook2408]

I don’t think Hollywood necessarily hates jocks, I mean look at the type of men who are at the healm of beauty in media and Hollywood: muscular, masculine, stereotypically white. I mean look at Kumail Nanjiani. People became OBSESSED with his transformation, even people in the industry. Entertainment usually loves good looking and physically fit people. I think the issue is lazy writing and using tropes and cliches to quickly get the story done for submission and broadcast. It’s easier to create simple characters and simple tropes for execs to understand in a pitch than to create something complex and try to pitch it because it’s gonna take time for that evolution to showcase… and even then, some writing teams just don’t develop their characters in fear of the audience and studio cancelling the project or being upset (I’m looking at you Shameless). But that’s just my opinion and experience being someone who has gone to school for acting: appearance and “type” is DEFINITELY something a part of casting, even in animated works.

[@apll9146]

Honestly, Fred was such a loveable character. I always loved him because of how much of a strong leader he was to the Mystery Inc. gang. He was a handsome jock who happened to found passion in solving mysteries in this messy group of other meddling kids. He was sometimes cocky because of his looks but it never was malicious or insecure (like Velma is obsessed with portraying him as). They did nothing new with his character, they just gave us a used wet wipe of a character. The OG Fred always appeared as this guy who doesn't look over any of his group's skills but takes the leadership role because he is the most charismatic and decisive... So what they've done to him in this shit show is really disappointing. "Jocks" being portrayed as dense and 'useless' outside of working out is really boring now.

[@ci7210]

@@micahcook2408 like Marvel's iconic heroes like Captain America and Thor.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I think there are plenty of good tv/film jocks and in recent years the jock with a heart of gold has become more present. They are usually portrayed as stupid, which is worse as it cultivated the idea sports has to be your whole personality and you can’t love sports and, I don’t know, read. Like a TV/Film jock would never read a book…you are not allowed sports AND intelligence, you get one. But in reality a high school jock clique environment is kinda different from adults at the gym. I have always been the worse at the gym, but I keep showing up and trying to improve and have never been shamed or laughed at either. But I think it’s fair to acknowledge a high school insulated peer group based on being on or associated with a school sports team is a bit different from casually going to a gym with other people at the gym outside of this insulated social system. There’s no status hooked to lifting the most weight in a random gym, there’s a lot of status linked to being the high school superstar who won the big game. And yes that could easily give a teenage boy a HUGE sense of feeling like the most important person in the universe and the universe is just his high school. The problem is Hollywood, at times, has been bad at finding the nuance and humanity within that guy who tends to sit in that prime spot. But I think it’s a lot to say Hollywood fully hates jocks when it is still seen as the desirable thing to be, we just get a lot of the ‘jock needs to learn a lesson’ stories. Like High School musical exist. Even the kinda cliquey sports guys in that film are mostly good guys, just too caught up in their identity as the group that likes Basketball and only likes Basketball. And I could think of more examples with time to think about it.

[@thunderclanliveson1]

I loved my himbo fred but this...this isn't my himbo fred, this is just awful Fred.

[@DGMNparodox99]

Mindy is the equivalent of that one dude who inserted himself into Powerpuff girls just to date blossom

[@Darkdjinn79]

What?

[@keona5560]

@@Darkdjinn79 the Powerpuff Girls reboot had a writter insert himself as a student Blossom was head over heels in love with for some odd reason. Very friggin weird

[@Rihcterwilker]

Tbf, he didn't insert himself, but the team made the character look like him as a joke. Nonetheless, the show was still inferior to the original.

[@Toastcat890]

That’s awful and creepy.

[@Demonic_Culture_Nut]

@@Rihcterwilker Plus, it's not uncommon for þe people behind þe scenes to insert þemselves into þe show, usually as background characters to fill up space when necessary (like, say, at a school during þe day).

[@flowerzforsaturn]

The thing that frustrates me the most about this is that turning the scooby franchise into a more adult show isn’t a bad idea and it’d be really easy to do. All that would need to be done is to have more mature themes like death, cursing and maybe more violence. Instead Velma choose to make their characters unbearable and overly sexual (even though they’re all still teenagers). If you want to watch a good adult scooby show just watch the supernatural and scooby crossover

[@seasnaill2589]

I forgot that existed. I've never seen it, the only thing I've seen is a clip of Daphne terrified yelling 'AM I GOING TO HELL!?'

[@flowerzforsaturn]

@@seasnaill2589 there was another scene where Fred got hurt and started bleeding causing him to freak out because he never saw blood before. Things like that show that scooby can have a more mature setting and raise the stakes without having to drastically change their personalities and go the cheap route with raunchy humor.

[@KyleEvra]

Be mature without being Woke. I dare them to.

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

Or have the gang be older adults, they split but are getting together because they heard Scooby passed away and it's too big of a media story not to regroup. The funeral goes haywire, there's a Scooby ghost who is...evil!? And the gang gets back together, one last time, to solve who would dare besmirch their dog friend's name. Could be a fun romp through old villains, some who have turned their lives around, others who haven't.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

Honestly Scooby-Doo has a lot of potential for having an Adult show/reboot/reimagining. How about a horror-focused one where the ghosts are real and the gang tries to solve mysteries about occults, curses and cults? Or a more grounded, crime-investigation take where its still the premise of catching people masquerading as ghosts, except its the gang getting involved into the criminal mafia or underworld using ghosts as a front to hide their shady work and how the Gang will bring down the entire organization? Or just something similar to Velma, but actually well done

[@utes5532]

Gotta love how Mindy Kaling identified with Velma so much that she completely changed her character and personality

[@victorhernandez8723]

Dear Scrappy Doo, we apologize for all the horrible things we’ve said about you. You are no longer the worst thing to happen to the Scooby Doo franchise. This show is proof of that. Signed all of us.

[@LolManI-75]

Don't forget me! I love *Scrappy Doo* as much as *you* ! Get it, because they rhyme? Well this became awkward real quick.

[@klltx2001]

Hell, we need to give Be Cool Scooby Doo an apology too! I heard that despite the art style it's better than it looks.

[@NFITC1]

What a terrible revelation you just dropped on us. Completely true and I hate it.

[@Oscar97o]

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling sons of bitches!

[@thecatatonicz6]

Yh tbh, the fortnite 9yr old is no longer the worst……. That’s not good……..

[@TPRules17]

Honestly, it feels like Mindy self-inserted herself into the show.

[@JeckTheMan]

She did

[@charliehorse8401]

It is her self insert jagdadgjjgrs I feel really bad to all the people that want Velma to go through an actual character Arc, because knowing Mindy and how disgusting of a person she is, that's not happening.

[@JPOG7TV]

What if the show was supposed to be a cartoon about Mindy but Warner wanted the Scooby do licensed the be used? Because it feels like that honestly

[@ActuallyHoudini]

she did.

[@Nightman221k]

This proves that the only Mindy who should be in associated with Velma is Mindy Kohn.

[@starlight4065]

When you talked about that “kiss” I thought about the Lumity kiss and how much more satisfying it was. Because Dana Terrance and her team did something you mentioned; PACING. They actually showed them as enemies to friends to lovers and it worked.

[@daniapfel9673]

They're smarts

[@blueflare3848]

I was thinking the same exact thing. The Owl House handled it so much better. It handled mature themes better in general.

[@daniapfel9673]

@@blueflare3848 Yeah

[@mrrunodan8119]

​@@blueflare3848 not to mention that Velma is basically what Luz could have become (AKA Belos) if she kept trying to do things on her own WITHOUT admitting that she is wrong. Seriously! This Velma seems to try to solve the mystery by only basing herself on pop culture that she saw WITHOUT bringing something new to her. You understand what i mean?

[@usamiichigo]

Girl literally just made her fictionkin headcanons about Velma into a show 💀

[@KyleEvra]

I seen better headcanons than this!

[@usamiichigo]

@@KyleEvra same 😭😭

[@s3asalt1cecream]

What does fictionkin have to do with this? Is Mindy even a part of the community?

[@mrkitloin]

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job, and was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contacts and influence. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul, she’s really writing herself. This is what we in the business call “projection” and “classic Freudian slip”

[@fizzy_minx8372]

Nice plagiarism idiot. If you're gonna shamelessly copy someone else 's statement and pretend it was your own words at least try and make it differ a little 💀

[@CubularCreeper]

But it's different because she's not a "white girl with too much money"

[@mynameismina9]

I guess you could say its a Fredian slip...

[@jaimexdxd]

Maybe hot take, Ryan and her? Worst part of the office

[@julisa3100]

So I’m not starfire all over again

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

The hate this show is getting is so satisfying

[@Dreamartist47]

I hate the show too

[@thunderousbitch8163]

It will bring humanity together ❤️

[@riffraff7942]

That’s literally what I said. You flat out stole my comment

[@goursaol6463]

I hate the show more than I hate hatred

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

It’s so bad it made me appreciate Shaggy and Scooby doo get a clue.

[@Tigger434]

I forgot about the Johnny Bravo one also "You near sighted momma" absolutely killed me 😂😂😂

[@TheAlienHasArrived]

My biggest problem with this show is that they made Velma extremely dislikable for seemingly no reason

[@TheAdventuresOfJimiJaden]

Mindy Kaling made that decision, she wanted to make Velma just like her. Her other characters like Disgust and Taffyta are both kinda mean like that too, correct me if I’m wrong but I think she likes to play the role of mean characters.

[@thrash208]

Honestly Mindy comes across as a narcissist. "I relate so much with Velma"...then turns Velma into her identity.

[@ImaNerdANDaGeek]

I'm guessing she identifies with Velma because she always thinks she is the smartest one in a group.

[@blue893]

had to get rid of her whiteness, JUST HAD to.

[@HookedonChronics]

@@blue893 while she obsessed over white people, constantly seeks their validation, and probably wishes she was white. She's self hating.

[@DestructionatorWitch]

And proceeds to make Velma stupid, accusing people of murder over stereotypes or just "I don't like this guy therefore he's the murderer". Wow, almost like Mindy Kaling has no interest in detective stories at all!!

[@ryszakowy]

"i relate so much with velma.... after i turned her into me and projected my bullshit onto her"

[@battywitch4096]

“Adults don’t want to watch a talking dog cartoon” Meanwhile adults are watching Bluey 😂

[@audiophile6475]

That was the response Mindy gave I'm willing to bet the reality was someone at the top had a feeling this was gonna be a shit show and didn't want them to compromise Scooby as a character so told them they can make a "adult Scooby Doo show" but you can't use Scooby.

[@shinkansenhype8694]

Tuca and berdie destroyed her argument right there.

[@pocketmarcy6990]

Meanwhile adults watching Mystery Inc

[@MoonLoonie69]

Family Guy has a talking dog

[@cartooncentral263]

Hello? Brian Griffin from Family Guy!

[@pkcell]

Whenever I think about good meta humor, I think of Ace Attorney as a golden standard. It's really funny as it pokes fun at the absurd tropes happening, ones which often can be found in both Japanese and western media. Additionally, it earns the right to make those meta jokes by having genuinely well-written characters and stories instead of just covering for bad writing, including one of the most well-written and emotional character arcs I've ever seen(Rayfa in SoJ). They use those absurd tropes to add to the actual story. Even Godot, who on the surface is mostly just a one-note coffee addict joke, is written in a way that keeps that joke consistently funny and foreshadows his eventual character arc where he's revealed to be so much more.

[@mindblownstudios2027]

The ability of the people behind Velma to ignore the massive criticism is one of the biggest mysteries

[@willowingwhispers2612]

"Who is this for?!" Mindy. It's for Mindy, especially seeing as she's using Velma as a self insert. I feel like I'm getting an in depth look at her personal life, problems, and views. All of which have convinced me that I *never* want to meet Mindy.

[@shawnfields2369]

Yep, same here, I want to stay as far away from Mindy as possible. Because she not only ruined one of my favorite series(Scooby-Doo), or at least, helped ruin it, but who knows, she could make it worse in the future. Me? I'd rather just go back to the better Scooby-Doo cartoons, like "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo"(the one with a catchy theme song) and, "What's New, Scooby-Doo?"(my favorite of the Scooby-Doo cartoons, and in my opinion is the one with the BEST theme song), but there's also "Mystery Incorporated", which I haven't seen myself yet; but I hear it's great. Grew up with reruns of the original series from the 60s, (because I'm not a time traveler, at least, not yet; anyways...)

[@Victoria-so1in]

Totally agree

[@shawnfields2369]

@Peter Hanson Yeah; I also agree, and yeah, if anyone else's listening, if you want to see darker interpretations of Scooby-Doo(done right), there's "Scooby-Doo and The Witch's Ghost"(which has an awesome punk girl band performance at the end, AND, it's also got Tim Curry, as the main villain, the novelist, Ben Ravencroft!), and my favorite of the Scooby-Doo movies: obviously, is Zombie Island, because I didn't think they'd actually go and make it as dark as they did. I mean, at this point in time, I'd definitely take Scooby-Doo and The Spindly Johnny(Caddicarus reference!), over Velma! Seriously. They took Scooby out of the show, made Fred dumb, and made both Velma and Daphne annoying, and obnoxious. I too, miss when CN weren't trying dumb things like horrible reality shows and barely any cartoons, and also, mentioning that CARTOON NETWORK themselves said they DIDN'T NEED CARTOONS anymore! How do you even do something THAT dumb?

[@seantaggart7382]

I want to Help convert her to friendship

[@MegaKnight2012]

Except given her background growing up, she's more like this show's Fred than Velma

[@hammeredllama]

My favorite part is how Mindy said she loved Velma yet decided to write her as the most insufferable, an unlikable character in history! She made velma cynical, mean, judgemental, and racist Like how can you say you love a character for their personality then completely butcher them by making them the opposite of their original personality

[@SunsetEnvy]

I think she likes her design more than her character

[@brahmas1685]

@@SunsetEnvy As long as the design is changed to Indian like her.

[@thyrussendria8198]

She loves Velma, she wants to be her, smart, popular and all that, however here it is shown that she doesn't realize WHY Velma has all that what Mindy wants.

[@TrintellixLeGaulois]

Mindy Kaling is a narcissist, every Indian woman character she plays is a bitter, cynical self-insert.

[@senatorarmstrong4662]

@@TrintellixLeGauloisso she's not really acting she's just being herself. Yikes.

[@merafirewing6591]

Velma: *commits a huge cardinal sin* Everyone from all corners of life: "So you just signed your death warrant."

[@vincent207]

Velma in Mystery Incorporated had more sass compared to prior iterations, but she wasn’t insufferable like this version.

[@shwahgamer]

That's because Mystery Incorporated treated Velma's flaws like flaws. When she was wrong, she was treated as being wrong. Whether it was being high and mighty or the way she treated Shaggy when they were together, if she was doing something that was disliked by others, the show was aware of it and didn't try to pretend she was in the right. Whereas this Velma said straight up "I'm always right about everything," and it wasn't treated as a joke, or something to proven wrong, they just let that be. Her character isn't allowed to be wrong, so being arrogant like that is encouraged rather than being treated as something that makes her look like a jerk.

[@skullsworld3723]

The greatest thing about scooby doo was that they went against their own stereotypes. Daphne looked like she was gonna be a bimbo, she is smart, great at martial arts and kind. Velma is a nerd but uses her skills to solve mysteries but isn't anti social and gets along with Daphne who is suppose to be the mean girl bimbo. She gets along with her opposites Fred looks like the strong jock but is just a himbo who is a simp for traps but is a genius with traps too which does involve engineering and maths Shaggy looks like a scrawny lazy dude but my god have you seen him run? No wonder dude loves his food. He is also insecure but is trying to combat that for his friends. Scooby is a great dane which means he's suppose to be big and scary, but he's a cowardly dog who loves to eat as well. Velma just gives them back their stereotypes and ups it by 200%

[@sansskeleton8552]

U know u got me off guard about simp to trap. i thought u mean femboy and i remember he literally obsessed with an actual trap😅😆 Btw sorry for the bad english

[@13th.moon.]

“Simp for traps”

[@FeralSwift]

Perfectly said!

[@flyingorange2482]

Fred simps for traps relatable fr fr

[@satan7350]

i may have something in common with Fred.

[@YourLocalAverageSquidMan]

Velma is a perfect example of how NOT to make a show like it.

[@Kira-pv4xq]

@Secret aight time to report you for self promotion

[@somerandolad]

It's what happens when people who don't like Scooby Doo make a show set within that universe.

[@michaelstrong5383]

One of the reasons why Smiling Friends was successful was because despite the gory violence and dark jokes, it still kept the optimistic tone all throughout. It's something that shows like Velma need to learn.

[@TrainerAQ]

Why'd they make Fred so stupid? He used to be the leader of the group.

[@neevko267]

@@michaelstrong5383 Also because it doesn't rely on gory, raunchy humor It's still there, but it's not the entire show, and when they do it, it's handled perfectly

[@collinwiegand2828]

It funny how when Velma hates someone, its fine. But when we hate Velma, Mindy Kailing goes batshit crazy.

[@adenlarios]

This show makes High Guardian Spice look like a masterpeice

[@Croz89]

HGS felt like a bunch of writers trying in earnest to make something good, but having neither the budget (they clearly didn't have enough money for proper 2D hand drawn animation, there were shortcuts even hanna barbera would be ashamed of!) or experience to pull it off. Velma seems like the writers know exactly what they're doing and don't care.

[@alexgomez6723]

I firmly believe HGS did begin as a genuine vision from an artist, before modern ideology and corporate culture came in, but even than, as it is now, at the very least it somewhat tried be something worthwhile and stand on its own two legs, this thing called “Velma” parasitically latched itself on a familiar beloved property and grew into a grotesque extension of it not at all unlike a cancerous tumor.

[@momo-chanthegerbil6205]

@axegirl9187 they're competing with each other

[@remixchild]

Thank you​@@momo-chanthegerbil6205

[@fermintenava5911]

HGS was the blueprint of what could have been a fun saturday morning-cartoon. Very much of it was ruined by executive meddling (e.g. the trailer, the order to make it "more adult"). Velma in contrast looks like something that saw no outside control at all - just an overprivileged, self-indulgent celebrity with a writer that won't say No to anything.

[@startheangel9760]

The Velma and Daphni kissing despite hating each other is a trope that if "women scream and hate each other they'll eventually make out because it's hot"

[@cloroxart]

EXACTLY.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

If they do get together, that would be one toxic relationship.

[@sweett3253]

Not even a lesbian thing they did it in Bojack

[@hassathunter2464]

I thought it was "I write my self-insert to be beloved by all other characters to fill this void in my heart."

[@viscountrainbows2857]

They really couldn't restrain themselves until at least the season finale, so there's no way to go but down for that thread. The Harley Quinn show did it best, a Will They? Won't They? spread across a full season or two between her and Poison Ivy. Didn't feel forced, as you saw the characters' relationship slowly develop and gain those nuances that make their partnership feel truly earned, and not just another Ship come lately.

[@giantmutantbug]

Reminder for everyone: Do not hate watch this show! Just completely ignore it. If we want to tell HBO max that we do not want this show, we don't watch it.

[@Lee-fx7bd]

YESSS. there's tons of KZbinrs who have reacted. Been hate watching through them

[@GassyGoat]

Hate watching doesn’t do much, they already had second season planned. Plus shows mostly make money from merchandise.

[@alexmcdonald4707]

Just pirate it if you're going to hate watch it. Still wouldn't recommend it. It absolutely sucks.

[@natkatmac]

@@GassyGoat who would buy merch of this??

[@harvestercommander3250]

I’m never going to watch it. I’m sticking with the original.

[@Octavia_Goetia_666]

This show does not deserve a cover that epic.

[@tinkywinky9087]

At least Scooby didn't have to suffer in this series.

[@echosclassroom1830]

Agreed.

[@caillou4049]

The creators of the show: "We want to make a mature show that adults will enjoy, and adults want to see edgy adult humor, not a dog." Meanwhile, adults: *Are watching Bluey even when their kids aren't around*

[@ryanlesner0000ninja]

Did the animation cast from Drawn Together get rehired? Did the writing staff for Drawn together get rehired?

[@insensitive919]

I gotta admit. I like Paw Patrol too.

[@michaelmittag001]

IS THIS A CURSE??? I DON’T WANT TO BE BANNED TO A LIFE OF BLUEY

[@brandonlyon730]

And also watch anime, funny to think the Japanese can have such a diverse genres of animation for all ages that most people can enjoy and even have actual adult shows without it being a dumb comedy. Western Adult Animation is really lacking in diversity in genres.

[@coyote434_6]

this comment LOLLL

[@taigatanfan_]

Mindy Kalling: “i relate so much to Velma!” Also Mindy Kalling: changes everything likeable, relatable and recognizable about the character.

[@kalusiak742]

What a surprise

[@moyo6606]

If she just liked the aesthetic she should have just said that, lol.

[@Johnny202]

Or maybe this is why she relates to her? Because this Velma is terrible

[@AeridisArt]

a friend probably showed her the "Velma's Sass" video from mystery inc and said that's all she needs to know about her. It's really the only explanation

[@marcusmg4904]

"I relate to Velma" ❌ "I'mma fuck the living shit out of this character's personality traits and make her my self-insert because EVERYONE relates to a total asshole" ✔️

[@AidenYTP]

“I love Velma, it’s the best show ever!” -Nobody, ever.

[@daniapfel9673]

Yep

[@glimmerstantroop46321]

Real

[@AidenYTP]

@@glimmerstantroop46321 100% free no virus

[@thebrasswarrior5473]

As a colored person, I’d say this counts as a damn war crime.

[@balladofthegoddess]

just so everybody knows, norville mentions he had a dog but he died of ringworm. Not only does this mean scooby might be dead, it also means hes a horrible pet owner because ringworm is very easily treatable

[@mojododo6363]

Would have made more sense if he said that the dog found his stash of edibles & ate them all

[@tarhumdonorstoriesforthebored]

damn he rlly did scooby like dat

[@Angel_Alph-TV]

He just said ringwoom to cover up the edibles part

[@cintronproductions9430]

Scooby, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[@noriii]

@@mojododo6363 not really funny though idk

[@scottedge4388]

I think we all owe Scrappy-Doo and Flim Flam a major apology.

[@shawnfields2369]

Yep...I genuinely thought the first Scooby-Doo live action movie was going to be the worst thing to happen to Scooby, but I guess I was too naive; and I'm sorry, Scrappy-Doo, Film Flam, sorry guys. I didn't think you were that bad, Scrappy(well, when compared to this pile of garbage, anyway), because it does a STRONG disservice to Velma Dinkley; and her character, and just makes her a hateful jerk. And also, just plain TAKING Scooby OUT of the SHOW?! Are you kidding me?!! Am I having a hallucination right now, where I imagined an awful Scooby-Doo show; which also, made fun of Fred's, uh, Oscar Meyer Wiener? And Shaggy looked like a random generic rapper guy with a bad haircut? I...I'm not hallucinating this, am I? It actually exists. Aw; man...I've been a huge fan of Scooby-Doo for years, watching it was early as the one where Shaggy had a red shirt, and all those random 70's crossovers(even though I was too young to get who they were), and the one with the best theme song(What's New Scooby-Doo?) And even saw the Harvey Birdman episode where Fred gets Harvey Birdman to defend Shaggy in court, it was hilarious. Only 15 minutes, but it was one of the best episodes of one of the best shows ever. I sure hope we'll see the Scooby-Doo franchise try harder(or actually try, next time), when making something relating to Scooby-Doo, just saying...

[@Bennahr_Fett]

no

[@donutbevil9669]

@@Bennahr_Fett Yes. I find Scrappy more tolerable.

[@thecarebearsandcecfan2002]

#BringBackScoobyAndScrappyDoo

[@Bennahr_Fett]

@@donutbevil9669 Mail me some of them donuts then. Shit I'm hngri as a muthufuqa.

[@KurtisHere_91]

This film makes scrappy doo look like an lovable amazing character

[@daniapfel9673]

Yep

[@charadreemurr4839]

I mean, I always liked Scrappy Doo.

[@silverwolf2676]

Ok time to do the writers job for them, here's roughly how I would do in one season with quick summaries: Episodes 1&2 Introduce the characters (the personalities can stay the same as a starting point) as Velma solves some mysteries around the school Episodes 3-5 - Velma starts struggling to solve mysteries dues to her lack of social skills and filter Daphne helps out getting the information Velma needs having noticed the events of episodes 1&2 and develops an interest in mysteries herself. Shaggy is asked by the school to help Fred control his temper but currently failing. Episodes 6-9 - Velma and Daphne continue mystery solving with Velma becoming less hostile to people and Daphne getting smarter. Fred starts being able to control himself with help from Shaggy but also gets Shaggy to be more impulsive and speak his mind faster leading to Shaggy saying "like" a lot, Fred and Shaggy start getting recruited as extra hands for Daphne & Velma a few times. Episodes 10-11 - Big mystery hits the school requiring all 4 characters to work together (I would make this the first actually paranormal mystery). Episode 12 - Graduation with the main cast deciding to be become a team of investigators and a final scene of them meeting Scooby.

[@Absolei]

Now, y'see, there's some good writing.

[@echosclassroom1830]

@@Absolei Better than the dumpster-fire of a Scooby Doo show we have.

[@promemerboy1765]

Scooby didn’t just dodge a bullet, he dodged an entire nuclear bomb

[@KalEl7802]

Please don't jinx it

[@mekhie.r.duncan3825]

@@KalEl7802 too late, the show's got a "Scoobi" now

[@WaffleGobbler69]

Dodged an entire stage 5 earthquake

[@kekeandtofo]

@mekhie.r.duncan3825 it's a hoax, the black girl who is named "scoobi" isn't her name, it's Gigi. Someone just took a screen shot of the 3rd episode and thought hey, why not make an assumption that this black female with Norville is Scooby-Doo. I just wanted to clarify. Nonetheless I hate this show with a passion.

[@AnnoyingSquib]

And it looks like Shaggy swapped with his stunt double.

[@W0lfenstrike]

Pretty funny how Bluey, a show for kids, has been gaining traction with adult audiences for how likable and relatable it's characters are, while this show is meant for adults, but it's characters are a bunch of unlikable douchebags. Heck, I think Bluey has more respect for it's audience's intelligence than Velma ever could. EDIT: JINKIES! This dumb comment blew up, thread carefully!

[@W0lfenstrike]

@The Owl Nice try bot.

[@rebecca_rh]

@@Alrightythen-es4gvthat’s because Velma is the prime example of A teen’s view on adulthood, that really feels insecure about being perceived as “mature” enough, so he tries so hard with his childish view on adulthood, and ends up looking even more childish in the end.

[@gracekim25]

@@Alrightythen-es4gv mmmmmmmmmmmmmm…..I’m unsure how anyone can like this 😅

[@weirdguy1495]

That's not a huge hurdle. I would say even Dora and Peppa Pig have more respect for their audience than Velma.

[@realityshifter3399]

@Wolfenstrike Yeah, this isn't the first time the Scooby gang were unlikable douchebags see Scooby live action films.

[@inaciosthirdstudio]

Between you and me, HBO’s Velma feels more like the Allen Gregory of Warner Bros. Animation rather than a Scooby Doo spinoff.

[@NonExistentAngelNEA]

how does Velma manage to be the most insufferable character but still have the entire main cast of characters fall in love with her 😨😨

[@rojack79er]

Here's the thing, as a black man, I don't need people to make an existing white character black. If anything that makes me even more mad because it means they couldn't just make an original black character and have them stand on their own two feet.

[@mechanomics2649]

Here's the thing. Corporations aren't interested in making an original black character and have them stand on their own two feet. Here's the other thing, Velma isn't black.

[@rojack79er]

@@mechanomics2649 wasn't talking about Velma. I know she's not black, still don't care for people getting race swapped for the sake of this inclusivity BS.

[@apll9146]

To be honest, the way that the show depicts itself, it seems like the only reason Shaggy or "Norville" is black is because Mindy didn't want to be nice to a white male character and since Shaggy is most beloved (due to memes & Iconic voice) they changed his race. This is my speculations because of how infantilised Fred is and how he is portrayed as this dramatic version of what most people on Social Media describe "white men" as being.

[@Theawesomeninja_XD]

Yeah, that's part of making race swapping a huge problem. How hard is it to make an original poc character??

[@celinathehottie]

@@Theawesomeninja_XD A 'huge' problem? I think that's an overstatement. If race is 'no big deal' like people claim, someone being of a different race in an animated tv show shouldn't be a big deal.

[@Rexboi_71]

"I identify so much with her character" says the person that completely changed almost every aspect of Velma's character.

[@fieratheproud]

Sounds more like she projected onto Velma rather than related to Velma

[@XxFloofyxX]

My oc is just like me!

[@playfulpanthress]

Explain, in detail, what she "changed"?? Is Velma a nerd? Yes. Is Velma into solving mysteries? Yep. Velma is an archetype, losers. The original show set the pace. Her character has never been deep. None of them have been. If you've watched or read a newer version of these characters and they vibes with you, great. Every version will not.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@playfulpanthress Let me guess. You moan before speaking.

[@playfulpanthress]

@@donutbevil9669 Did you have stroke?

[@the_frenchiest_fry6577]

I feel bad for Glenn Howerton. He's genuinely really funny so it's a shame his name is glued to this show forever

[@daniapfel9673]

Yep

[@anonymousmemelover9377]

looking at this new Velma show is the equivalent to listening to "Now you're just somebody that I used to know" on loop for hours

[@fuzzwobble]

Fred wasn't a himbo in most of the shows. He usually came up with the traps and helped Velma deduce the culprits. He was portrayed more as an intelligent art culture guy, if I remember right? They did him so dirty by making him stupid. His original character subverted expectations by placing him in an ascot and making him brainy. The irony is that he brought Velma down to Earth a few times in the old show, where she would talk about something intellectual and he would just fire back with his own input, showing he could understand her, often with her complimenting him or being stunned by his knowledge. Daphne and Shaggy were the comedic relief buffoons, but they would help solve the mysteries too due to their antics and different approaches. Daphne in particular was always a sweetheart, so making her a mean girl is ultra disrespectful to a good role model. Yeah she wasn't super smart, but she would resolve issues all the time with her good nature and social etiquette. She was the 'face of the party' quite often.

[@Kiraikira_]

Yeah, I remember Fred being more of a co-operative and even smart guy, since he was constantly looking for traps

[@bluewolf6323]

And worse, making Daphne the mean girl just destroys her character more because I feel like they took one look at Daphne's main character personalities and went, "Ha, she's just a mean girl" It's literally too easy, they picked the lowest hanging fruit. Because Daphne is a self made, "dumb ditzy" girl who likes fashion and is there for "eye candy" so of course she's a mean girl /j...I'm surprised they didn't make Fred and Daphne the annoying bully couple with Fred being more eye candy, being a jerk, and a dumb ass jock who makes it obvious that his girlfriend is running the show and he's just a lap dog...

[@Kiraikira_]

@@bluewolf6323 it's all about projection from the creators own life and self-loathing

[@onuhrita5009]

I loved that Daphne growing up. She wasn't mean to Velma in all the Scooby Doo series.

[@redactedoktor]

Can’t a himbo be an intelligent art culture guy who makes traps? Like come on! He can still be lovable and himbo dumb, but he can also be really smart and passionate about the things he loves! Mystery Inc. people! Mystery Inc!

[@spilledpaints3783]

That simple little "you dodged a RULLET!" joke is funnier than than any joke the show writers made.

[@JohnWick-vh2qy]

Get woke, go broke

[@gerbilpanda1703]

Velma came out on my birthday. Worst birthday gift ever.

[@alexr4834]

When I saw they changed the characters races I wrote it off immediately. Not because you can't change a characters race, but because it is usually a symptom of bad things to come. That litmus test hasn't failed yet

[@Red_Planet]

“But you got a job as a teacher. Why do you need more money?” “😞” Oh my god. That’s absolutely brilliant.

[@lesigh3410]

An actually good joke!

[@ArbiterofTruth]

$25 an hour is barely enough in certain areas. Though some teachers make less.

[@TheGateShallStand]

@@ArbiterofTruth 25 an hour? Holy shit what teachers do you know? Every teacher I know would love to make 16, much less 25

[@paperremix]

@@TheGateShallStand that's sad as shit

[@pyschobandit4478]

@@paperremix in some schools my teahcers get 13 dollars an hour (their job last for 3 hours)

[@omgodification]

As a person of color myself, the reason I'm tired and done with race swapping is because, more often than not, whenever they switch a character's race, they project a bunch of characteristics in the character that are usually negative, giving a bad look to us poc who support one side or the other.

[@vpoof7804]

finally someone who understands 😭

[@Slapnuts9627]

I mean, as a European, why's it problematic for us to be offended when stereotypical and morbid jokes are made about us in media but not the other way around? Fred is the only white guy left, and has every single stereotype applied to him and is now the butt of every joke. Oh, and of course, he's an antagonist. Did I forget to mention he has a small penis and is murderous? Yeah that too. It's getting ridiculous. It's backwards, what happened to not seeing color and treating everyone the same? It's like modern media wants an emphasis on it by swapping out character's races because we're not "Exotic" Enough to bring in cash or whatever.

[@MrRawrCEO]

I feel like the race swapping could have worked if they did a very specific angle. Make it take place in the same universe as the Scooby Doo gang, but instead of it being the original gang it's like 5 Scooby Doo fans and their dog (each of them obviously an analogue of the original gang) banding together and trying to emulate the original gang and struggling due to a combination of inexperience, dysfunctionality, and desperately trying to copy their heroes instead of just playing to their own strengths. A. You could make them travel all throughout Asia, granting both diversity of cast as well as setting and monsters (let's be real, Southeast Asian ghosts are awesome). B.There is plenty of room for not only humor but character growth as they mature and learn to grow into their respective roles while still being unique. C. It could serve as sort of a commentary in of itself on remakes. The gang fails when they try to badly and mindlessly copy the success of the originals, but succeed when they learn to play to their own strengths and correctly emulate the parts that made the originals GOOD. D.Big finale where they finally meet their heroes and work together on a big case! Seriously though imo the problem isn't race swapping so much as an utter lack of imagination. If they did the same thing without the race swaps it would still be just as terrible.

[@Niobesnuppa]

@@MrRawrCEO That would've worked so much better. Then they could've been much more creative with the character designs and writing too, had the writing been any good in the first place, I mean.

[@michaeliv284]

This is coming from a guy as white as tofu, but here's my two pence Race swaping should only be used if it helps tell the story or to emphisise the point. Otherwise, it should just be for variety, like they did on She-Ra. The WORST you can do is race swap where it makes no sense. You can make Superman or Dorothy Gale black as they can fit in the stories they tell. But you wouldn't make Heracles Chinese as there'd be no way he would be. Don't flay me if I said something wrong.

[@drakordarkstar383]

Honestly race swapping is always a bad idea, it's a symptom of lazy writing and an unwillingness to create new dynamic characters that bring something unique just to save time and money, if you're unwilling to put effort into making a unique character and instead opt to slap a coat of paint on an existing character you've already failed the people you're trying to represent.

[@daniapfel9673]

Not false

[@tylerleach8796]

Samual L. Jackson as Nick Fury. That is my response to what you just said.

[@drakordarkstar383]

@@tylerleach8796 because they actually tried to build upon the character and set him up in a meaningful and interesting way, he's the only instance of race swapping that went over well that i know of specifically because the writers were actually doing their job, unlike most other companies that just write unfaithful trash and call it a day.

[@tylerleach8796]

@@drakordarkstar383 notice how nothing you said defending Nick Fury in the MCU had anything to do with his race.

[@drakordarkstar383]

@@tylerleach8796 obviously. I just don't like the idea of iron man becoming a Chinese jock obsessed with protein powder and working out. I've seen reboots tarnish characters with shit like that

[@chilli-boi]

And the worst thing about it is that she doesnt even say jinkies

[@echosclassroom1830]

whats the point of velma if she doesnt say jinkies

[@RosePeyster]

uhm… ackshually, velma is portrayed as a strong, influential young woman of color who cannot say something so stupid as “jinkies” 🤓☝️☝️

[@SUME1234]

Saber forcing himself to say “missed a rullet” instead of bullet when talking about scooby doo and laughing about it to himself- is actually by far funnier than this entire show.

[@valivali8104]

@hope.957 what kind of spam is this? And no, I'm not going to look it...

[@TimeBucks]

Love saber's visceral rage videos

[@artxtreme06]

Nice video

[@rahulkushwaha07]

Nice

[@lavanyaandol284]

👍

[@anupamkumarsahu9500]

Hfg

[@growingmoney213]

Nice

[@kimuires]

Honestly I would kind of like the “spoiled rich kid” angle from Fred if he 1. Wasn’t too stupid to breathe 2. Was still kind, just disconnected and kinda dumb I imagine he would just accidentally flaunt his wealth and be disconnected from the middle class but he wouldn’t see them as inferior or anything. He’s still friendly but he says insensitive things at the start of the show because he’s a spoiled kid but he grows after hanging out with the gang and the gang sees how he is genuinely a compassionate guy he’s just a himbo

[@ISeriouslyNeedHelp]

Why would they ruin a kids show by making the characters inappropriate and change them not very smart

[@plasticbottle4270]

They really did miss the chance to make The Mistery Inc a small, struggling detective agency that somehow gets caught up in a very high profile murder case. There was the chance to take a sirious story and tell it through the goofyness of scooby doo, creating humour from the clashes of genres. And the creators saw these options, and then also saw a dumpsterfire next to them, and decided to run with that.

[@filipinodude5457]

To be honest, I’m not trying to be racist but they should make new black characters instead of making already existing characters black.

[@dryfox11]

@@filipinodude5457 It’s really not racist to say that. White people getting blackwashed is the same thing as black people being whitewashed, or any other race for that matter.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@filipinodude5457 Making Velma Indian is due to Mindy Kaling's own insecurities when it comes to her own ethnicity.

[@danielhernandez2575]

@@filipinodude5457 i wouldn't care if shaggy just acted like shaggy

[@swindlesys]

@@filipinodude5457 tbh i wouldn’t give a sh!t if shaggy was still shaggy. everything about him was changed and now he’s just some nerd. i want the sloppy, possibly high, hungry, weirdo back.

[@cariozonei]

I still can't believe they made Velma the opposite of what her actual personality used to be. She was characterized as being a bit shy and socially awkward, especially around people she admired or felt intimidated by. Here, she obnoxiously proclaims to each character that they are shallow and dumber than her right to their face. It's not charming or done in a clever way, it's annoying and ironically lacks self-awareness.

[@planescaped]

Turning admirable characters into insufferable, smug, hateful, self-absorbed and amoral bastardized versions of themselves, is a weird trend in modern storytelling... Hollywood specifically. When did being an ugly person become encouraged? I suppose when "be yourself" turned into "have no inhibitions", and temper tantrum throwing toddlers weren't put in their place and allowed to grow into adults with horrible personality defects.

[@naominekomimi]

Yeah, he hit the nail on the head in saying she's a self insert or OC of Velma. Nothing like the actual character. More like someone annoying who relates to Velma but is nothing like her.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I did notice a trend of in newer series Velma becoming more cynical, I guess because "cynical= smart" and here they cranked it up to 11 to the point of overshadowing the rest of her personality.

[@Pheminon1]

@hope. Velma is a prime example of making a pizza?

[@HorseDe-luxe]

@@Pheminon1 It's a bot.

[@norielsylvire4516]

Even Fred who wasn't race swapped got changed. He basically only shares clothes and hair color, but the personality and body shape are entirely different. This doesn't feel like a Scooby show, it's only a random bad show with characters that look like Scooby characters.

[@darkcrydotmrihavetoomanyst1440]

With how bad Mindy's voice acting in the show is it's surprising that she voiced Disgust in Inside Out

[@gaspardp7314]

I love that the recurring feeling people get from Velma is "this sounds like what right wings think being woke is like". This is so in line with what Mindy Kaling says every time she is offered the opportunity to speak

[@arturoaguilar6002]

It's uncanny how much she fits with the side-characters from reactionary right-wing fiction like the "Trigger Warning" book (and much less entertaining without the unintentionally badly written right-wing protagonist).

[@andrewnigo61]

What surprises me the most is how many times I've seen both left and right-wing people be attacked and smeared as "racist" for having near-similar criticisms against this show. It's like even if you don't lean right, someone will somehow still perceive you as "right-wing" or "alt-right" for criticizing something like these shows, even if your criticisms don't make any mention of the race-swapping or anything. This show brought together everyone across the political spectrum in a shared disdain for these dumbass shows.

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

@@andrewnigo61 reminds me of the 2020 Mulan movie. Everyone EVERYONE HATED THAT MOVIE, from woke to antiwoke, China hated, western audiences hated.

[@pippo17173]

@Andrew Nigo i find it funny when times like this shows its the main corpo that sucks the most lol.

[@commentcritic7759]

as a right winger, this is exactly what it feels like

[@eaglefan2569]

Y'know what makes me sad? An adult mature Mystery Gang could honestly be awesome. They wouldn't even have to stretch that far; they could just lean into the horror and crime aspects the franchise already possesses, but instead of toning the severity of it down like it usually does, it could be focused on instead. Like the Mystery Gang fighting *_actual_* monsters or solving genuine missing person or murder cases with the risk of danger and death. You could keep the same banter between the crew as coping mechanisms for their more grisly professions while showcasing how harrowing it would actually be to put yourselves in the line of fire to unearth a mystery. But nah, we get this crap instead

[@SiRenfield]

If you want a recommendation to cheer you up, there’s a book called Meddling Kids by Edgar Cantero a Watchmen-esque deconstruction of Scooby Doo that crosses it with elements of Stephen King’s It. It even has BIPOC and gay characters in a way that doesn’t come across as more pandering than progressive like the Velma show does

[@eyzmaster]

Just watch Mike Tyson Mysteries if you want an adult mature Scooby-Doo cartoon, like Saber alluded to at the end.

[@imjustmrks2554]

scooby doo mystery incorporated is decently mature atleast as far as scooby doo goes

[@ZcattheNobody]

Omg I want to make this into a video game. That might save the Francise

[@weathermansam2]

Surprised no one has mentioned the Scooby-Doo Project yet in this thread.

[@archiermanilo23]

They unscoobied my dooby doo.

[@roseys_art1622]

Ok but, this is LITERALLY the 'I am not starfire' graphic novel all over again, the creator made herself insert starfire's daughter and she was so narcissist and rude to everyone. 😭

[@hatsam468]

Not so fun fact: In one of Mindy Kaling's shows, she forced a dude to kiss her during acting rehearsals, (Without consent, might I add.) and ‘joked’ on live television that anyone who complained about it would be fired. How the heck people like this get into the animation industry baffles me.

[@starkillersneed]

This makes that #MeToo joke even worse

[@wrestlinganime4life288]

For the same reason Jimmy Carrey got away after kissing a younger actress without consent.. Its a twisted industry

[@homerman76]

@@wrestlinganime4life288 Yeah, it's an unfortunate reality that many humans will use their power and status as a means to subject others to their personal whims, it's especially sad since many of them project themselves as good people in other areas of their lives, making it difficult to decide whether stories like this are true or just a coworker trying to grab attention at the cost of said person's career 😓

[@Frenchaboo]

She's also a TERF and notoriously likes JKR's weird anti-trans obsessed tweets.

[@Creepystalker102]

@@starkillersneed it’s all I could think about when she said that joke, along with the way she supported Aziz Anzeri with his SA case as well. She’s very against anyone speaking up against SA it seems

[@koineko.]

The blatant self insert of Mindy in the Velma reboot is giving me major “I Am Not Starfire” flashbacks 💀💀

[@tavrosnitram1529]

no literally though, i dont know why i havn't seen anyone else say this!!!!

[@brose-bg3ks]

ENDYMIONtv talked about that, he had a very interesting take on Velma

[@realswobby]

I was thinking this too

[@gshhsbshznjsksjsk3927]

Omg i forgot about that

[@eclipsesnarl4079]

It made I Am Not Starfire tolerable. And that’s a miracle in and of itself.

[@duskgaming18]

Can we go back Scrappy Doo? I'll gladly take him again over this. Scrappy Doo, where are you?

[@Hichigo.]

Lmao, race swapping in this show is one of the main reasons why it's hated.

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

Oh, no one deserved what they did to Fred. Poor Fred. So kind and gentle. You didn't deserve this dude. I mean... So... words cannot do you justice. They did you wrong. You'll be remembered. And this show will be remembered. For two very different reasons.

[@ColyBaloneyCLBL]

They butchered the Mystery gang. 😢

[@Jaybirdieblue]

My sweet trap-loving himbo didn’t deserve this 😭

[@danialyousaf6456]

Nothing happened to him. What are you talking about ?

[@micahcook2408]

Everyone go support Harley Quinn instead so they don’t cancel it 😂 because we know these studios love cancelling a potentially mid-to-long running series. Plus that show imo takes the “alternative” switch of these well known characters and uses it to tell a great story while also being kind of relatable to reality.

[@TheBlargMarg]

@micahcook2408 yeah it's pretty much everything Velma is trying to be with much more likable characters. I love King Shark so much in that series.

[@omegavolta]

Truly wholesome when the internet unanimously bands together to hate on one bad show

[@morugofuzuoku2369]

Its like the avengers.

[@zakoppi777]

it'll always be the best kinda crossover, i swear man

[@Nevae_696]

It’s beautiful

[@cameronbosch1213]

I mean, it's angered pretty much EVERYBODY on the internet and has a FAR lower audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes than critic rating (normally shows and movies have a higher audience rating than critical rating and if they don't, it's usually not by THIS MUCH). I swear, if somebody at WB or CN swindles the creative rights of Ed, Edd, & Eddy and tries to reboot it, we riot.

[@davidofthenorth6531]

Whilst playing X-COM: Enemy Unknown, I was also listening to this review. I heard the sound of Velma... punching open a trap door(?) at 6:28 and thought the aliens had just kicked down the door to the room I was hiding in because apparently they use pretty much the exact same stock sound clip! I assume it is some public domain stock sound effect called 'door_forced_open_7.mp3' or something lol!

[@NewCanada]

It's still annoying when characters get race swapped or gender swapped. At that point you're just better off making a brand new character. Instead of leeching off already established characters.

[@HH-lo7jw]

At this point, Norville is his own new character, but the dude needs new friends. Like honestly, he needs completely new friends.

[@sharkodile22]

Like maybe a dog or something. Perhaps a great dane that for some reason has human intelligence, loves snacking, and has a heart of gold, though admittedly is a little cowardly. Eh, probably a bad idea.

[@HH-lo7jw]

@@sharkodile22 They said the new show doesn't have the rights to Scooby so probably not.

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

I don’t know much about Norville because I haven’t seen the show, but from what I know it looks like they managed to make Shaggy boring

[@brandonlyon730]

You can pretty much say that with all the characters in this show, remove the names and designs of the main characters and most people would never know this has anything related to Scooby Doo in it.

[@sakod1az]

@@funnyvideoguy3216 Norville is Shaggy sadly. :(

[@youre75waterandimthirsty76]

The thing that annoys me about Fred is, that he was the hardest character to mess up imo, his formula has been done before. Hell, a recent character from an adult show that they could've taken inspiration from is Brett from Inside Job. He's the perfect, loveable Himbo that still gets his moments and is a cool character. It's not hard, those characters have been done before, HOW can you mess that up

[@eljoel89]

Nope. Can't do that. Good adult animation doesn't activate the outrage cycle so we (Netflix) have to kill it. Now prepare for That 90's Show...

[@homerman76]

@@eljoel89 Velma was made by HBO, though, so yeah... 🤔

[@MrMViceroy]

Exactly. Also I love Brett. I'm going to miss him the most.

[@mipha8795]

You mess it up by not doing that formula at all; He's more of a punching bag than a character it feels. This was so originally its own show before having Scooby-Doo plastered on it for recognizablity.

[@BrightWulph]

Fred in this "Velma" show ends up being sympathetic, even though they're trying to do the "toxic cis white male" cleche with him and his family. Also the double standard annoys the hell out of me, like it's OK to body-shame a teenage boy, but it's thr biggest sin to body-shame a teenage girl. 😑😐

[@PebkioNomare]

About the race swapping. When I see older characters getting race (or sex) swapped, I'm not particularly bothered by the actual change. That's just appearances. But the race swapping signals two things are going to happen: One is natural and one is meta. The natural thing is that the person is going to adopt some new culture that doesn't fit the old show, so they're *also* going to be changing the show just to accommodate the new identity of the characters. The meta thing is that people tend to get lazy with the writing when they have a convenient "you just don't like it cause racism/sexism" defense. It doesn't *always* work out that way... but it happens often enough that even just seeing an older character with new skin color (looking at you, Little Mermaid) makes me roll my eyes and assume it's going to be terrible. If I were to just see a new IP with a darker-skinned person, I wouldn't just assume it's going to be bad because they have dark skin. Same with a female-led IP. It's, specifically, the race/sex swap that makes me react that way.

[@blueflare3848]

I completely agree with you. It's such lazy writing, which means that most of the time it's going to be awful. I'm a woman, and even I roll my eyes when I see writers gender swap a character. That isn't good representation. If anything it's an insult. I would rather see them create a completely new character that's just as interesting, important, and compelling as any other character. Make them their own person with their own goals and values. That's far more effective.

[@CarloNassar]

I think it only works if the race barely plays a part or isn't some kind of major point. That's probably why there aren't nearly as many complaints about Birdie from _Street Fighter_ or Heimdall from Marvel Comics being race-swapped. I do agree with you about the meta thing and how people get lazy with writing.

[@wolf-_-demoness6842]

personally i dont have an issue with race swapping a character of any race but from what i've seen from people i know who have an issue, the issue with race swapping is it shows these companies dont know how to write a proper character of any color, that they need to rely on already established characters. No one cares that a character is black, for example, just make a new character , make new stories.

[@Dinoagent21]

I think the most unforgivable sin of this show is that they're four episodes in and haven't solved a single mystery. In many ways, I think that Brennan from Bones was the Velma show that we all desired.

[@ShadeofGaz]

@yes hey no one clicks on unsolicited links.

[@ryanmetzger2762]

I completely agree. Brennan was a smart and strong lead who solved mysteries but struggles to interact with people at times. Here, Velma is a total jerk who hates everyone and is honestly kinda of dumb.

[@kinghashbrown7998]

Honestly taking several episodes to solve a mystery isn't a bad thing. Infact i would argue its alot more compelling if pulled off right. I just think the problem is the writing is bad and the jokes are terrible

[@S386LWBNM]

"It's like a self insert of her OC"....That's because it is. Every series she's written for, she self inserted and acted for.

[@bentheturntableguy182]

4:39 You forgot Scooby Doo meets KISS

[@collinkeyser6827]

And The Crossover With Supernatural.

[@hckingking]

13:25 that grunt of anger. Never heard Saber do that.

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

The fact that Velma and Daphne kiss in the 3rd damn episode just shows the absolute lack of engagement even the creators have with this, like they themselves just want to have this done and over with. I’m thinking of Jimmy Neutron and how they spent _multiple seasons_ building up Jimmy and Cindy getting over their petty rivalry and eventually entering a relationship and how much more satisfying it was as a kid to watch them finally get together. I miss that level of long term story telling.

[@PlahaKumar]

Jimmy Neutron was a classic.

[@Envy_the_Darksider]

Oh yeah, I remember that. And I remember how them switching bodies helped start it too because when their friends were helping put them back in their original bodies, there was one trait that was convoluted and confusing where it was like "dislike of girls who dislike boys who dislike girls with (random trait) who dislikes boys with (random trait)." They got rid of that (it was obviously Jimmy's which made him keep up a barrier between him and Cindy) and after that Jimmy and Cindy actually started to slowly like each other in future episodes.

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

@@Envy_the_Darksider “Extreme dislike of girls who dislike boys who dislike girls who dislike show-offy boys who dislike-“ “TOO *_CONFUSING!!_* JUST THROW THAT ONE AWAY!”

[@g4mmalotus937]

I felt the exact same way about Danny Phantom! I loved watching their relationship grow, but even more so as they each developed as characters individually. Sam became much more than just basically a goth social justice warrior, she became a true ally for Danny and put her focus on the true greater good.

[@archmagos1436]

not to mention that kissing someone nonconsensually is a TERRIBLE way to deal with a panic attack1

[@fatemakhan3843]

Mindy grew up with rich parents, never worked a day job & was handed a Hollywood job through her parents contracts & influences. So when she wrote Fred as a spoiled rich kid with no soul. Yeah i can definitely see she's really writing herself. This is what we in the business call "The Projection" & a classic Freudian Slip.

[@Justin-pe9cl]

The real self insert character. XD

[@auro662]

The comment you copied and pasted is directly below this comment.

[@morganb8250]

Her parents were doctors in Cambridge, Massachusetts. This is not completely accurate.

[@fatemakhan3843]

@@auro662 Mm i know, that's why i posted here purposely. Because it turns out, that person who you & other thinks is the original comment poster, Turns out he/she also Copied My Comments 2 Days Ago Before Posting Here 🤭😆🤣.

[@Abrothers12]

Professional victims at work

[@phlojem285]

8:22 Someone I know watched the show and told me about this scene. They said it basically made fun of people who can't do 'Normal' things by themselves, due to disabilities. So this show is basically Ableist

[@shibathesamurai9893]

They’re really getting everything on the bingo card.