Sabre Analysis with Jeff Spear - Seoul SMS 2019 - GOLD - Oh KOR v Szilagyi HUN

[@paull1839]

I wish FIE commentary was that good

[@Abahrelgazalia]

[this is Jeff] In fairness to the FIE commentators, they don't get to pause to talk, jump around to go back and look at things, skip downtime when we don't have anything to say, etc., the way we can. Which is why I think there is a place both for videos like these and the normal FIE commentary.

[@williammcalpine2718]

Abahrelghazali I agree I just wish they added more commentary about distance and tempo control so newer fans can feel more connected to the strategy and thought process of the fencers. Maybe do in-depth analysis during body chord and weapon changes. And at the beginning of the bout explain the fencers strategies and school of thought.

[@jaeminchoi6756]

Love these pls do more

[@redramsamerset2709]

These are such great videos

[@jeffreyliu7390]

great job, great bout

[@russwarhammergateway152]

Great analysis guys :)

[@joeyboy69]

Thanks for that. One of the best. Can you take some suggestions? 1. Dumb it down a bit. Explain more. If you use a french fencing term, explain what it is. 2. I know you’re not professional, but you can’t just watch a point and both say “Oh. Oh” (the expression, not the name). 3 how about some more personal insights or stories from Jeff. E.g, maybe a comment on the coaches. 4 Couldn’t hear the bout but it seemed like you guys could

[@CyrusofChaos]

Visselfeldvebel We will not be dumbing it down. This is the level that we talk about fencing with each other and we are basically just having a discussion while a bout is going on. But if you have questions about specific aspects I am happy to answer them in the comments. What French term are you talking about? Sure we can. Like I said earlier this is a discission and not every touch is interesting enough for us to have a comment about We had decided before the bout that Jeff wouldn't be discussing that much about his own experiences. A lot of the time these guys don't want to give anything away that might hurt them later and I don't want to do anything that might jeopardize that or people may decide not to do this type of video with me on the future

[@Abahrelgazalia]

[this is Jeff] As noted, this is us having a discussion about the bout and sharing it with interested people. So on (2) If we exclaim excitedly about a touch that's because we thought it was awesome and are stoked to see it! We are doing this because we love fencing and sometimes those emotions just take over. On (3), thank you for the feedback. I'll keep that in mind if we do this again (and I'd like to, I enjoyed it). I'm not entirely comfortable sharing my inner thought processes quite so publicly, though, so things like my comment on the momentum transition at Oh's 3rd touch or talking about him blasting through my parries may end up being the most I will end up saying on that topic. Thanks for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@joeyboy69]

Abahrelghazali thanks to you both. I think I was asking about Moulinet but it turns out wikipedia has a whole fencing glossary so I am good. Not looking for inside strategy....maybe something like “Oh took me out for kimchee one day” or whatever. I guess you guys are just talking. I was looking for an audition to announce fencing for NBC in Tokyo from Cyrus😉

[@Abahrelgazalia]

@@joeyboy69 Ah, well, sadly I've never been out for kimchi with Oh. I'm actually not the most social at competitions so I don't have many stories like that, but I'll be sure to include them if I do have some!

[@oletreeman5187]

Whos going to the Manchester foil tournament about in 2 months

[@donaldbadowski290]

About the Korean bouncing attacks. So once you have ROW, it is a given you don't have to commit the arm, like it or not. But we did expect a commitment of the foot. The footwork could be small and slow, but it had to be continuous. And if Fencer B, on defense, attempted an attack in prep, and Fencer A stepped back to avoid it, it was also a given that Fencer A lost ROW wen stepping back, but immediately gained it back when Fencer B failed, provided Fencer A started committing the foot to the attack again. So the Koreans started the bounce, and when they first started, they were still coming forward, a little. But you could not say that they stopped moving forward when both of their feet were in the air. And of course as soon as their feet did hit the ground, another bounce. So referees were hesitant to call them in preparation, or attack No. Then the Koreans took to bouncing straight up when they pleased. On occasion I even see them bouncing backwards, as if to avoid an attack in prep, when no attack in prep was evident. The result is now no commitment of the hand or foot, and still no one is going to call them in preparation. I'd like to remind everyone that until the 70s, foilists had to commit the arm to an attack, something that was an actual threat instead of an implied threat. Then (from what I heard, I wasn't a fencer then), an Italian did the unthinkable and pulled his arm back while rushing forward. Opponents didn't know what to do against this, backed off and got hit. And foil was never the same again. See the similarity? Understand I am not knocking the Koreans for employing this bouncing. But I do think referees have to take a more critical look at it. A bounce straight up and even backwards should not be considered a threat, implying an attack.

[@CyrusofChaos]

Donald Badowski this is the way it is right now. It came from the short timing when it was so hard to attack that the philosophy was "do anything you have to do to get your light on". Even though the timing has gotten a bit longer the interpretation of this action hasn't changed yet. Maybe it will eventually, give it time

[@donaldbadowski290]

@@CyrusofChaos , it was my understand at the time (2003?) that the shorter timings were meant to lessen the decision of the ref. I recall when I first watched the DVDs I ordered, showing the world championships, I couldn't understand why the refs were calling attack, counterattack when both fencers appeared to do the same thing. Now I think we've all adapted to that. Yes, I understand about turning the light on, a more liberal interpretation of what constitutes an attack, hand over foot and foot over hand, etc. But the basic understanding is that the fencer has to do something to lose right of way in order for it to pass to the other fencer. To my mind, bouncing straight up is akin to standing still, and bouncing backwards is akin to retreating. That is what I mean when I say refs have to take a more critical look at the bouncing. Refs do get intimidated, even the best of them. For instance, let's say, as a ref, you are OK with a fencer bouncing forward instead of a more traditional advance or forward jump. You give him the touche as he completes his action. Now he bounces straight up and his opponent sees this as his opening, and commits his own offensive action, Two lights. OK, you called the bouncing forward an attack, and now you check yourself, not wishing to appear inconsistent, about calling the fencer in prep because he bounce straight up. And a precedent is set.

[@dayofayanju9021]

Is Szilagyi a bad match up for Oh?

[@GreenHatFencer]

you haven't clipped that touch??? what's wrong with you?? 🤣

[@MathfortheFunofIt]

Vannak itt magyarok?