Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev speech at India Today Conclave 2008 - part3

India Today Conclave 2008 - Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev (Yogi, Mystic & Spiritual Master) speech about SESSION: Is Spirituality Relevant To Leadership?.

[@metofind]

Hindus and Muslims now have one thing in common they disagree with Javed

[@pinifernia]

Javed makes sense :)

[@sas1573]

He ONLY MAKES SENSE FROM A SENSORY LEVEL BEYOND THAT HE IS NOTHING (LIKE U CANT SEE ULTRA VIOLET RAYS BUT THEY EXIST)

[@youbrajkhand7969]

Javed is fool dog man

[@youbrajkhand7969]

Javed is a real pig

[@itrieditman]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@parasprodigy]

Javed Akthar was so close minded. Sadguru was not saying don't use your senses, he was saying that we must transcend the senses. Maybe this a bad example, but it's like saying use the ground of the runway to make your aircraft airborne. You can lift yourselves above the ground. He was not using there is no ground, or don't station your aircraft on the ground. He's just saying that you're an aircraft, don't limit yourself to the ground, you can lift off from the ground and reach higher altitudes, something like that maybe.

[@abhimanyu2713]

+Mr. P hahaha .. while trying to give an example you actually realised that Sadhguru is really saying dont rely your senses ,your mind !!

[@vindukur100]

what do u mean transcend your senses. u r as low in intellect as this fraud guru who is an obscurantist at best

[@parasprodigy]

@@vindukur100 tere bas ka nai hai yeh! Tu lollipop kha...

[@minddeveloper7216]

Ye he said it in his video

[@usersri1238]

On a lighter note, Sadhguru: E = mc2 Javed: That is impossible. E = E The confused lady: Not sure about either, but e = e :-) Having said that, it is not necessary that everyone should understand everything. If you need to know something, you will get to know. You can ignore others and proceed on with life. I will pretty much blame Sadhguru, to have accepted to this meeting. Obviously, he was the odd man out in the entire crowd.

[@j.k.yogesh5624]

😂

[@Anitosh135Goswami]

what an explanation !! superb👌👌👌 I'm going to use ur explanation somewhere..✌️✌️

[@khalidrahman8251]

Jaggi uncle never advocated Einstein's equation.

[@karetisai5748]

This is not correct comparison

[@pavan.k24]

Science repudiate religion in every aspect of its view so science is far away to deal with religion

[@parvathichandramouli]

Sadhguru, you should choose your audience! it's like asking a noble award winning scientist to teach kindergarten kids about quantum physics! they are happy with their spirits in hand, they couldn't care less for spiritualism...

[@abhimanyu2713]

+ch0c0latem00n But sadguru said he does not know anything. he is still seeking ! he did not even explain what he is seeking . that makes him intelligent enough to win a Nobel prize. or is it because you have a bias , Sadguru is talking about GOD so you are taking his side. Its not a theatre or drama crowd, its not a school parents crowd. The people there are invitees who are mostly people who have achieved a lot and are successful in their fields. They are mostly intellectuals. So they understand what is being said. Of course you are right that Sadguru can choose his crowd, the pot bellied, uneducated fraud businessmen who throng to Asaram Bapu's ashram.... if they had been here ..they would have clapped for Sadguru and not Javed.. coz that is their IQ level, nobel prize winning !!

[@Marck1122]

+abhi manyu You must be the biggest moron if you Sadhguru talks about God.. It clearly shows your agenda, why you come to every page of his and put your stupid comments which are blind lies..

[@abhimanyu2713]

+abinashdeepak i think i should concede that title for u buddy.. coz u think he is not talking about GOD... i know for u GOD is not spirituality ...spirituality is exploring inside us which is something we cant understand but Indians understood it thousands of years ago.... apparently ... Indians knew infinity and they knew about it as they were exploring inside themselves ... Einstein knew everything although he was not Indian but he became intelligent after he met a few Indians who explored their innerselves .. Newton was stupid he did not know anything .. all scientists from west became intelligent after they read and understood Vedas... unfortunately Indians dont understand Sanskrit...!! .so we just keep complaining that western scientists stole our ideas and created everything and we could not do anything although we had all the ideas for thousands of years !!. Yes Sadguru is not talking about GOD .. he is talking about spirituality, Indian spirituality... it is not GOD but it is our innerselves which we can explore and we will know Infinity, all mathematical theorems, precession of equinoxes, Wootz steel, etc.. these things cannot be developed by a rational mind but a spiritual mind .. Galileo incidentally met an Indian and then stole the idea of telescope .... Darwin met an Indian and wrote the ..On the Origin of species..... Even Stephen Hawking did not know anything until he read the Vedas and then wrote his papers on Black Holes... Jayant Narlikar ... the Indian scientist is stupid he does not believe in Indian Vedic astrology.... also does not attend the Indian science Congress as he thinks it damages the reputation of good scientists although this Congress had great ancient Indian inventions discussed recently like vimanas going upto planets in space !! Tesla realised spirituality and invented so many things as he interactd with Swami Vivekanand who did not invent anything .. as he was Indian... Prafulla Chandra Ray another stupid Indian scientist ... he believed in Brahmo Samaj and not Hinduism !!! also Meghnad Saha the famous Indian astrophysicist whose ionization equation opened the door to stellar astrophysics and was worthy of Nobel prize which he did not get... even he was dumb Indian as he was a self-proclaimed atheist .. He had the same agenda as me !! Somehow Indian scientists,writers, etc don't understand spirituality which is science but people who never came near scientific study even at college level like Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev understand completely how spirituality knows everythig that science has ever known !!!

[@yasheeldoddanavar]

exactly. point made.

[@antonlavey5381]

+ch0c0latem00n There is no -ism here and neither is there spirituality. It is just being with yourself and experiencing "all of 'it' ". It meaning the existence and the cosmos. Engineering youself to experience the inward bursts of joy and life, the vibration that happens within is inner engineering..

[@indianmilitary]

German Quantum Physicist - Hans Peter Durr I've studied matter for 35 yrs only to find out that it does not exist (In other words, matter cannot be perceived in the form we see without consciousness) . Exactly what Hindu sage Adi Shankara said in 2000 BC - that "everything is maya". (Adi shankara was the proponent of Consciousness philosophy after deciphering highly coded Vedas)

[@HegdeDeepak]

kashsoldier You are a validation of the ancient philosophy that when you study anything - spirituality, science whatever you can reach the same realization. My salutations to your wisdom!

[@vijaysimhareddypalvai]

Btw,apart from the video and related to your comment. You got some information wrong. Adi Shankaracharya isn't of 2000B.C. he's very much A.D. guy

[@akshaybhalekar2054]

@@vijaysimhareddypalvai - veda was there From Anno Domini AD brother....

[@shanblues7257]

And what do you wish to conclude? That Shankara new modern physics? Shankara was a great man, but to utter the absurdities is denigrating Shankara. Shankara would have been proud of what physics and science have achieved in these years. Earlier there were a thousand theories. It's not difficult to make such theories. But today we have evidence to prove and disprove certain theories. We have equations. We can predict variables using these ideas.

[@kabitabhaumik5829]

@@shanblues7257 And yet we get new theories and the search goes on.

[@JayKotek]

It is a shame Javed Aktar making attempt to insult whom he don't like.

[@barnaliadhikary9421]

Jay Kotek then read the comment section... Same is being done to Javed akhtar himself and that is shameful too. He is being insulted by the people who don't like him. He is being shamed for putting his opinion and even the audience are being shamed for for agreeing with his opinion. Is this anyway democratic????

[@ranme3638]

He always tries to do that and exposes himself as a selfish self centered ... dimwitted man..wherever he goes he spoils the show with his selfish ..no knowledge .. arrogant attitude

[@atulsingh-bn2pr]

What else can he do😊😊😊😂😂😂

[@saju3791]

Just the way you're describing he's showing you the same point. Even to some extent He agrees with Sadh Guru but Saadh Guru never agreed to any point of his statement even though Javed Saab is right. In PK there was a message I loved which is if a crow sits on the tree that's normal but when the crow wear a tie we looses our mind. Same thing is doing these gurus and mullas. Wear some fancy cloths and talk in very fluent english we loose common sense. I am talking about the vast majority. No matter it's Sadh Guru or Zakir Naik.

[@pyarelalsahoo8111]

Spirituality today is like a night club for the rich , a super market for the middle class and a feast for the poor🙏💯🙏

[@hsr139]

I am yet to see this master of all Javed Saab to discuss and debate with Mullas..

[@hsr139]

+GuruJi fully agree with u

[@SYLVESTER897]

it's true. religious duality hidden in him.

[@MithunKumarc]

+GuruJi yes

[@zikrullahkhan5917]

Hindu always hindu hi rahega. Ye naam dekhkar judge karte hai.

[@zikrullahkhan5917]

What you all are showing in comments. All Hindus are supporting an idiot baba.

[@UselessGuy-v5h]

I saw a video where javed akhtar was crying for money.......

[@Dream_hunter_077]

I saw a man crying for food outside a temple.

[@UselessGuy-v5h]

@@Dream_hunter_077 Yes, that's because temples are run by the government. Temples owners do not have money to feed themselves. How are they going to feed people. Churches, mosques, and Gurudwaras are run by their own people and they keep all the money. Its because hindu people not showing interest in temples peoples are crying for food outside temples. Shame on people like you who do not fight for it. Instead you are ready to abolish the temples from our country. Wake up !

[@Dream_hunter_077]

@@UselessGuy-v5h you said - shame on people like you who don't fight for it .(for temple) It means building temple is the solution for Starvation ? Worshipping Durga is solution for Rape. ( At every 16 minutes , one rape case occurs in India, 89 rapes per day) Remember one thing- God/temple will not do anything. If you want food, you have to work for it. If you want good marks, you have to study. If you deserve it, you will get it. God can't give it to you. And remember - I will never fight for temple/dharma/God. You can say- shame on you. No problem.

[@UselessGuy-v5h]

@@Dream_hunter_077 Temple were never meant for Gods! Those who do not respect their roots are the ones who struggle. Temples were meant for one's well-being. Rapes happen not because of gods or temples. If you want to destroy temples then you should destroy all mosques and churches as well! Do you think i am a fool who think we are dependent on God to get things done! Right now, most Indian people have forgotten their roots which were never about Gods! And even if you have good marks, you won't get a decent job. You need to be smart and witty to get the job. An average street boy is making more money than you intellectuals doing 8-10 hr shifts.

[@UselessGuy-v5h]

@@Dream_hunter_077 Moreover, If temples are free of govt then they can at least give Bhandara for the poor for free! No need of fake charity organizations when you have temples that can do that job of feeding to the poor. This creates a social structure for everyone's well-being. Our dharma is actually one of the boldest. WE don't tell our women to hide under a burqa. It's very open-minded and it's not a religion. it's only the invaders who had made us think negatively about our own temples which were never meant to be like that.

[@dr.manjushree]

Salute to Your intelligence and specially Your patience, Sadhguru!

[@dr.manjushree]

+Host 123 Yes... I believe in fantasies. Because that will help me in exploring the new dimensions of life... Being a science seeker, I should see beyond what's present in the world now; otherwise after a decade or two, the world will b the same as it is now. See..if u were born a 500 years back...and tell people about the concept of mobile, internet... they would call it a fantasy..and will advise you to be in your limits. But Sadhguru is trying to tell people that increase your perception and make the evolution. So believe in your fantasies...

[@dr.manjushree]

+Host 123 Yes supernatural demons and angels exist...which were not (appreciated) previously. Am not saying this for just believers; am saying this for inventors.... just believing is different thing n trying to explore is different thing. Previously, Those who just encountered psychological problems in people said its because of some demons...but those who tried to explore it found that its due to chemical disturbances in brain...let's say this "chemical disturbance" as undiscovered demon... likewise...Pathogens..Radiations.. are also the demons.. ( No matter what layman thinks how the demons look like.) Angels, Gods are the creations in human mind who tried to feel secured from the demons..using as pills for their problems... I personally feel that all the fantasies are created in human mind either as per the need or as per their problems. Trying to explore these things will surely satisfy our curious minds and create evolution... Sadhgru is trying to say that human mind has tremendous power to imagine and explore...but most are wasting in just survival...like animals..

[@dr.manjushree]

+Host 123 first of all, you must understand the meaning of words like Yoga, Time travel, Bhutas...which Sadhguru wants to tell. and About evolution. ...cant you find any evolution in general people in last 20000 years?? and evolution in yogis...Sadhguru is the great example....for that just take a look at his lifestyle. He is like us... He never encouraged to go farther from the path of logic and science. Don't compare him with any other yogis...I doubt you dont know much about him. As much as I know about him, he is not trying to impose anything on people...he just wants to share what he had experienced which he found as the most beautiful...

[@rajeshsinghbaghel9231]

thats why we love sadhguru

[@JohnDoe19991]

@@dr.manjushree Time travel lol .... Sad guru is just a con man with empty words . Baba Ramdev can claim to be the master of Yoga not Jaggi boy .

[@sobiaakam5506]

i am a Muslim and i respect sadhguru g a lot. i am a spiritual practitioner as well. SIR dont strike your head with these stupids. spirituality belongs to practice so it never comes in normal intellect.

[@nitinjadhav7676]

Very right ! spirituality is not a thing to explain it is a thing to experience !

[@murliashiya8243]

Yes

[@shivamkumarrai9687]

Sadhuguru replayed him at 29:50

[@nirmalasoral8843]

When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.Even god doesn't propose to judge a man till his last days, why should you and I?

[@sunildevgan5026]

You are right

[@gurjitjaidka6664]

javad Akthar is like a rationalist who merely depends on his mind which is filled with the thoughts of others..He is at the first step of the ladder which leads to infinity.....He is not willing to move ahead.He is bound by the five senses.. It is sad he does want to break loose of the five senses and the mind controlling him.He should open the window of his limited room and feel the existence at least to some extent.

[@diagoldy8583]

well said!

[@ddigvijay26]

Thankyou for saying this.. This is what in my mind and you said it beautifully.. 🌼

[@SoumenMishra123]

Which other sense would you use other the 5 senses that normal people have?

[@Agyaat_]

Javed is a 80 yr old kid.

[@princemathew9070]

+jobanpreet singh randhawa hhahahahahah cant stop laughing

[@Princedemars]

+jobanpreet singh randhawa Yes, he is! Kids explore.Old hags just stick to their safest, profitable positions.

[@nero11352]

Kids can lern something new but he is in total denial of accepting anything else which he doesn't know..

[@AM-te1ff]

Kids are innocent .. do not compare Hutiya with kids

[@spectrum1909]

@@Princedemars Lol old man once a kid and had explored!

[@kekek9436]

Everytime they targeted sadhuguru and get humiliation of being fool themselves

[@minhajahmed2391]

Why people invite javed with sadhguru, Jawed is no where even closed him, I am not being biased here I am saying it just because I know sadhguru,

[@ashishashishhalwai_1581]

@@gaurav7215 i know him

[@PseudoSapiens]

😂

[@MrUttammaru]

Javed needs to clear slate before writting. He is talking on very low level.

[@MrUttammaru]

Oh I see, perfect trick

[@pramodkumaragrawal8426]

और सतगुरु का तो लेविल ही नहीं है. सारा आस्था पर टिका है.

[@Inc752]

Sadhguru explanations are really awesome!

[@ulagurajeshu2126]

The lady is vomiting what theory she learnt., the poet is prejudiced, guilty and insecure, ..and the realized man shares words of wisdom.

[@rahmis123]

heahah jaggi is the most stupid man..making you fool

[@nageswararaoparimi5462]

Yes, Javed akthar has Very constipated sense of perception... And not even one sensible question asked either by audiences or others...Everybody trying to form conclusions that they don't know and they are not ready to agree that they don't know

[@no22sill]

ghanta.. jaggi is a good businessman and an intelligent guy.. but dhanda karna hai toh baat ki jalebi toh banani padegi

[@PAPUOO1]

Wow

[@no2religion650]

Spoken like a true jaggis follower of faith

[@Marck1122]

Indian rationalists are so funny. They think they are 'scientific' and their idea of science is Newtonian science which is 400 years old. Einstein's concepts have disproved most of Newton's physics and today's science is grappling with Quantum physics and is unable to move forward due to its fixation with matter.. This matter is what these so called indian rationalists are arguing as 'science'.. Indian spirituality understood infinity centuries before any westerner could even think of.. Spirituality and science were never opposite in India as against the west. This is first thing that all Indians should understand. They are just intermingled.. FInally, those who think Javed makes good points, watch the video of Sadhguru with a real neuroscientist David Eagleman

[@harshitverma5346]

to know who makes a better point among javed and sadhguru..why should i watch video of sadhguru and some neuro scientist? I will watch debate of javed and sadhguru and clearly javed makes a stronger point.

[@sujitv.7200]

@@harshitverma5346 That means you didn't understand what Sadhguru said!! What Javed is saying.. I used to say the same things when I was in Highschool. I'm an Atheist for your information and I follow Sadhguru. If you want to know who makes a strong point..first you have to understand both the sides. Then judge. That's why watch his videos. You will find the meaning behind his words. You will find out for yourself that he isn't like those religious gurus who promise to take you to heaven and preach nonsense stuff for money. Understand and judge!! Have a nice day.

[@deepu__]

Sadhguru soon will get exposed

[@ashutosh1361]

@@deepu__ yes of course with geniuses like you and Javed hahaha

[@dhirajsrivastava2622]

Javed akthar is a idiot I do not know why is he invited into such forums of which he has no idea at all

[@rajnirana1064]

Javed akhtar talks very much shit.Sometimes he doesn't know about that Satguru is a great man with lots of wisdom

[@daminigupta4109]

guruji as calm as always...

[@pradeepjhenry]

When that conman gets exposed what he can say?

[@deepu__]

Bcoz he do not want to get insulted more by akhtar

[@walkwithlenin3798]

He has learned the art of acting. But he is pissed off inside.

[@aryashine4293]

@@walkwithlenin3798 u seemed to pissed off even here. 🥴

[@aryashine4293]

@@walkwithlenin3798 nd judging someone on preassumed notions. Btw tell me the name of cllg where he learned acting? ☺

[@venkateshkorvetha8754]

🙏🙏🙏In my views he who is capable of understanding the concepts and perception according to Sadguru, is definitely can achieve liberation.........we all are with several limitations which makes us not to know that ultimate goal of every living existence is one and only "LIBERATION"......My Great great pranam to great Mystic SADHGURU🙏🙏🙏

[@sumanhudait3610]

Javed Akhtar should review the comments at least once ... little learning is dangerous thing !

[@barnaliadhikary9421]

suman hudait neither Sadguru reads your comments.... Everyone is entitled to their opinions and experiences and realizations without the risk of being insulted or humiliated for that. But any comment section of any of Sadguru's videos where somebody has showed any different opinion or viewpoints from him are attacked immediately with abuses and tagged as "leftist" etc! Such video's comment sections are immensely filled with one sides bias, and lacks minimum open mindedness to accept other possibilities than what you think to be right. But look at the bigotry, so people have blamed javed of being less open minded while themselves being on the same side of the bigotry. Specially because he is a Muslim.

[@rdlizard5656]

@@barnaliadhikary9421 this thought have caused hazards in the whole nation.... If ur r educated be humble enough to keep religious views aside??

[@darshanddd1366]

The man is Javed akthar and his rubbish talks will never be understood anything of what is going on there

[@swetshah92]

javed will never understand the profoundness of sadhguru or for that matter of our ancient Indian wisdom.

[@RishabhSingh-rx6ep]

Swet Shah rightly said .

[@SaikatBasak]

Swet Shah someone who claims "Water has memory" and "just by looking at it you can rearrange its molecular structure" (speech at IITM) does not seem so wise to me. Sadguru claims that he is a skeptic and embraces the idea of skepticism then why is it a blasphemy to be skeptic about what he claims.

[@SaikatBasak]

haangpa Atheism is the absence of a belief in the supernatural. This is not a belief system. Atheists do not say that god does not exist. We say there is not positive evidence for it. Guruji needs to rethink what he says.

[@SaikatBasak]

So you have a problem with rational and logical thinking and what we perceive with our five senses. Let me ask you. Which of your senses do you use? I am happy with not knowing. I do not know why some people need an Icon in their daily life who they can follow with their blind eyes. I do not know why your Guruji says skepticism should be embraced but when his pseudo intellectual jargon in the target of skeptics, it is a blasphemy. Guruji seems to have moved many with his calmness. They should remember that calmness is the sign of both the wise and the fraud. And I do not need your wishes. Wish for yourself.

[@SaikatBasak]

Your Sadguru talks about many things, like "just by touching one can rearrange the chemical structure of water without changing its molecular structure" (at IITM). I do not opt for the pinnacle of wisdom. Take your diamond or bull or whatever you have to the moon. I don't mind. Stop spreading pseudo science.

[@susmitmukherjee5219]

Farhan Akhtar recited a poem of Javed Saab which was made part of the film called Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara.. In that Javed saab writes about the ocean and its silence: pighle nilam saa behta huwa ye samaa ---This ambience, like the pouring of melted blue... neeli neeli si khamoshiyaan ---This silence, colored in blue... Keh rahi hai ke bass ek tum ho yahaan ---They say to me - "You are the only one Here"... Sirf main hu, meri saanse hai aur meri dharkaanein ---Me, my breath and my heart-beat, that is all there Is... Aisi gehraiyaan, Aisi Tanhaayian, --- Such depths, such silences... Aur main.... Sirf Main --- And Me... Only Me... Apne hone pe mujhko Yakeen aa gayaa --- Now I Know that I AM.. So, Javed saab also came to know about the glimpses of the I AM in the midst of all the silence - when thoughts siezed.. Now when Sadhguru says to have experienced the same thing and says the nitty gritties of how one can deliberately reach & sustain such states of bliss Javed saab seems to have problems.. I dont understand why... many other poets, like Kahlil Gibran, Rabindranath Tagore have poetically expressed their own experiences of that "something" beyond.. Those experiences made them what they are.. not the words which in themselves have no life of their own..

[@vinodpillai8820]

+Susmit Mukherjee You are right Sir....It speaks of intolerance of one, whereas the other maintained patience....Hats off Jaggiji

[@praveenrai9452]

The wisest man ever I know in my life.pranam sadhguru.

[@jigarshah4009]

Reallly..😍

[@aszpposa3369]

Praveen Rai agree bro.. being a muslim.

[@Babarkhan-gn1ou]

praveen rai....how could u miss NITHYANAND?

[@ashutosh1361]

@@Babarkhan-gn1ou just like aayesha we missed

[@Babarkhan-gn1ou]

@@ashutosh1361 when u start judging a man by his name

[@DurlavRayamajhi]

sadguru really had it hard in his tarting days when he started to come up to into the world...the intensity can still be felt here because of the consecration of dhyana linga... he becomes calmer as the time passes..in 2018 no one can make him intense he is ever so calm,,,

[@AmberCanvas7]

soothing voice of sadhguru..making complete sense as always, awesome!

[@shivshakti2679]

He's really outstanding

[@Skandawin78]

sadhguru nailed it in his last sentence. Javed is just closed minded even to listen and discuss the possibility of what sadhguru is saying. we can only feel sorry for such people.

[@Skandawin78]

every fantasy which became a reality started as a possibility. be critical but not dogmatic.

[@lifeparticle2628]

bro!! for your kind information. ..i have seen ghost. ...and i should not prove you for that.....its all about experience man!! even i didnot belive in ghost !!! ...but now i do belive! ! just go and search. .. i am engineering. ..#electronic ......there is many possibility we still donot know....because everything you cannot find in youtube or google.....😂

[@DeepakJAT0007]

@lifeparticle yah yeah. You've seen the nonexistent thing, completely normal.

[@Firefive85]

People didn't understand a word what the Sadhguru said,This was one of the best conversation Sadhguru has had in such an hostile environment he was calm and composed I'm sure he strives for such events cause it make him grow it teaches him and all of us how to handle people who don't agree to your thinking and still be sure of your thoughts such clarity is missing in everyone of us and he proves why he is a guru blessed to have an amazing soul human or technology like you hate anger in the audience but love from us all.

[@ranjithsuccess]

Javed saab, Indians know that earth is round long long back and that why its call BhooGOL (Gol = Sphere) also the universe is spherical and thats why we called it Khagol. How do you think Indian astrologers have been calculating the movements of the planets along with Sun and moon with such a precision without knowing that earth is spherical and its moving around Sun. How do you think they have been calculating the timings of solar and lunar eclipses with such a precision with out this simple knowledge?

[@abhimanyu2713]

+Ranjith Vadiyala .. bro.. Bhoogol is not a word used in vedas...its a recent word. Also no one has an evidence yet that the Univere is spherical as well. Also ancient Indians did not know of any planets beyond Saturn(shani) , this info was with ancient Egyptians and othre cultures too. Also there is no mention of any prediction of any eclipse coming true ..in any of the Indian manuscripts, be it vedas or upanishads . Also Indian astronomy never predicted eclipses before Greeks came to India. In fact vedang jyotish has totally incorrect science Siddhānta: Indian astronomy, is calculating the position of the planets and other heavenly bodies. Hindu calendar (Pānchānga) is created from that calculation. 'Siddhāntā Sirómāni' and 'Sūryā Śiddhāntā' are two main books on Hindu astronomy. According to this theory, the earth is motionless and it is not considered as a planet. Seven planets (Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) revolve around the earth. There is clear mention of astrologers in ancient China who got beheaded when their prediction for solar eclipse went wrong. Also predicting eclipses does not really require earth to be spherical

[@Marck1122]

+abhi manyu Very disingenuous to say that bhugol is a recent word. Aryabhatta used it.. it comes in Surya sidhantha by Bhaskaracharya.. It seems you have a motivated agenda here to come and comment on everywhere to prove ancient Indian things are not that good like the macauleys and missionaries did it..

[@Princedemars]

+abinashdeepak it was already known that earth is spherical during Aryabhatta, where he used the greeks knowledge of spherical earth. Pythagoras and his ilk promulgated this in 5th century BC. then by Plato Plato (427-347 BC) and Aristotle (384-322 BC) . So with the coming of Alexander these knowledge made way into Indian astronomy. Where Aryabhatta (476-550 AD), rightly, used his own methods to publicize the round earth theory, coining the term "Bhoo-Gol",but after, almost, 800 years after Plato. So, it is not good to lie in a world where religions are nothing more than idiots legacy for ignorance and stupidity.

[@abhimanyu2713]

the problem is that the moment these people talk of Vedas ..they assume in their heads that it was 50-60 thousand years ago .!!! and Arybhatt was a comtemporary of nerbivores dinosaurs !!! so we Indians knew everything even before humans left Africa ...if that theory is correct that is !!!

[@wasntme6780]

but the earth is flat lol

[@kishorenavani8814]

I don't blame anybody in the crowd including Mr.Javed Akhtar, because today even if Lord Krishna will come and dictate Geeta, each and every individual will take his own view on each & every sentence uttered, because no two brains are same in this world.

[@sudiptaganguly7533]

Sadhguru is right in his perspective but Javed Akhtar is also right in his perspective . It is the game of controlling the mind yours ours and others .

[@enigma533]

@@sudiptaganguly7533 just level of perspectives are different....Sadguru has highest

[@YoungKantian]

@@enigma533 There is no "level" to perspectives. All are equivalent.

[@sanjayshukla5470]

today I come to know dat Javed Akhtar is fool...

[@adsonnie]

sanjay shukla same here

[@krishnapal5590]

Before seen this I had lot of respect for javed. But know I came to know how fool he is.. I feel pity for him

[@LalitKumar-cu5iu]

sanjay shukla He's not just a fool, but also a fool who thinks of himself as very evolved.

[@user-wv9ir2nb2g]

Jawed need to lesson to sadguru talks simply on you tube befor he came to talke

[@priyanksharma1124]

Luckily i always knew

[@gamepilation7569]

I have never Seen anybody Other than Sadhguru who answers questions of People with such Calmness. Hats Off to Sadhguru who has taken up such Huge Responsibility.

[@RR-gy3kw]

I have never seen such a stupid (probabley corapted) country like India that believes to this idiot Sadguruji, that his wife intentionally lef her body?!?! This psycho murdered her!!!! Wake up?!?!??!

[@DipenPatel468]

chori pakdi gayi isliye calm hai

[@arunavatalukdar-qt9fx]

JAVED AKHTAR SIR IS VERY LOGICAL AND PRACTICAL ❤🎉

[@mishraprashant2011]

I really feel sorry for Sadguru to be surrounded by such an (some) stupid audience and two near to him. They are very far to understand what Sadguru is trying to say. I just remember a quote from Mark Twain "never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

[@hiban8600]

and its amazing and huge hope that people like you and me understand every words sadhguru speaks... we get the meaning behind and its because we truly love the god in us and we want to explore more inside us.

[@muadeb7270]

No bro...feel soory for these two fellows.who r not trying to accept and then realize the things...and continuously and intensionally insult him

[@rinchenwangdi3316]

MIshra Prashant that's ture

[@vikasarsid1299]

Sadhguru do not have any fear about insult and not desire respect, he also bliss even in hell

[@navjeetgaikwad9576]

Nicely said😅

[@Coccconutt]

Did Javed lose one of his sense organs? Ears? Or are they glued?

[@energythoughts4366]

Whatever views, opinions, thoughts one have we all have one common truth. The desire to experience bliss and infinity. We Hindus have this common desire. So we Hindus are one and united.

[@kumrajan1]

javed akather was loud n angry sometime crying also but trying to conclude eyerytime I am right, He was just trying to say whatever he has seen is only the right thing, but no one else. First learn to be calm, know to speak calmly, angry bird

[@abdullatifkhan4518]

Actually ; sadaguru would have given the reply like this .... " You have limited your mind in learning to English or Hindi only ; if you were open to learn some other language you would express your cheap poetry in that language .... that's the limitation of you and your mind. "

[@pramodkumaragrawal8426]

No, he is saying that because we have limited minds, you should leave thinking, and go to some Satguru like him.

[@AL-wc8oy]

@@pramodkumaragrawal8426 Sadghuru haven't said to leave the mind totally. It was one of his videos about Enlightenment where he said, being apart of our mind and body is a way to fully grasp the whole existence of the universe. But, it doesn't mean we'll ungrasp the kite from flying in the sky otherwise it will be lost forever. It is a matter of going back because our body and mind are attached to everything that is physical and cognitive, in order for us to survive. Pulling the kite's string will remain us existing - that's when we should use again our body and mind.

[@kamalchoudhury2834]

You think so? I don’t think so. Sad guru (as he is known, )and a lot of his followers only read the book not the paper on which it’s written

[@GaganSingh-cy5yk]

Not a single comment to support Javed Akhtar but he surely raised valid points Those can’t be dismissed he may not know everything but then who knows everything we are too prejudiced to see gurus view on anything absolutely right So sad ...

[@rajibsaini6820]

I am a student of Paramhahsa yogananda practice Krista yoga daily for last 10 yrs.what I found is my Five sense are enhancing day by day it's becoming more sharp...but at the same time it's under control..my will power has is becoming more stronger ,my emotion is well balance,I feel happy without happening any thing outside.....I was a rude guy I am not any more.because I trust my Guru...because I choose right Master..his methods are working..That's why I say Jail Guru

[@amitsharma4937]

You can't debate with Ignorant people, specially when He is a converted one

[@nirmalasoral8843]

Those who are quick to judge others are in a hurry to escape the brewing pain in their own minds.

[@rahulchawla4415]

I clearly understood what Sadhguru is saying. believe me or no thats what I have realised with my limited analysis and experience of things. which is that We are very much used to in using our senses (which are way more than 5 in reality) outward. We haven't spend anytime trying to understand how our body works. whatever is happening in our body is clearly not done by us, it is just happening by itself ? No not really, it is the second level consciousness (I call it) with which we are not connected, when we connect our outer consciousness to our inner consciousness, we can experience how our body is working, we can access that inner consciousness or that software or whatever you want to call it. that is only possible through meditation.

[@princemathew9070]

+Rahul Chawla :) true

[@alakhikumarsharma7669]

Every words sadguru spoke can be written into books.. amazing

[@user-xs9js7rj8f]

**When you are a blind follower.

[@faizankamal6844]

Lol actually all the things he say is either shit or stolen from other books

[@sugatabose3691]

Jaggi Vasudev is a fraud.

[@sugatabose3691]

Verbosity is not spirituality. Jaggi Vasudev is a fraud.

[@miramakwana1063]

​@@faizankamal6844 so like before 1200 years a bit of jews bit of arab culture some good words,limitation on woman ,sexslave mind ,and like that one religion emerged out ,which is corrupting the human mind

[@bakedcreations8985]

Good debate, questioning one another brings good fortune.

[@ravishekharsingh4531]

"Things I don't know, can't exist" is crown of Ignorance....❤️

[@softgrowl]

Believe in things beyond your senses without logic, evidence, witness, etc is what grifters do.

[@kabitabhaumik5829]

Did Akhtar say that?😂😂😂

[@surindersinghjamwal4035]

The worst thing I felt in this whole debate was idiotic conduct of JAVED AKHTAR. He is consistently doing this with Sadguru without understanding what Sadguru is trying to convey.

[@ag37005]

javed.. being an artist u have forgotten the art of listening..

[@rehbar2600]

Sometimes utter nonsense can't be tolerated and no matter how good and intelligent human being you're...you loose patience

[@kamleshlulla5303]

Jawed is a gone case he proxy radical Islamist he doesn't deserves to sit next to sadhgur

[@syyyyhnnnnmm.....jjhhghh]

@Menika Singh 😂😂

[@PradPramadeni]

Javed exposes stupidity in him.

[@syyyyhnnnnmm.....jjhhghh]

@@PradPramadeni *himself

[@jijeesh2006]

i would like to thank sadguru, who is great man and also understood the fact that other people on the stage didnot understand what satguru said. understanding sadgurus thought need higher inteligence and a broad mind. sadgurus speech is calm clear when campared to javed because he got anxious while replying.

[@rsrahulsutar1]

the level of intelligence of the crowd n javed is 0.0001 % Sadhguru's intelligence is unlimited cause of his open mind n reasoning ! n the third lady, her existence in the show is zero ..

[@babitamehrotra5733]

yessss!

[@khurmiful]

Yes intelligence is limited, and stupidity is infinite. And it's obvious that Guru has stupidity in abundance

[@rsrahulsutar1]

Khurmiful u are from crowd !

[@RKB192000]

lol!

[@SaurabhSaket61234]

Rahul Sutar your intelligence seems unlimited too. Congrats

[@saianshijethmalani7694]

Javed when you pondering from where you got this new word etc, you felt inspired, you felt something supplied the word when you needed it. It was supplied by your subconscious. Your subconscious is a warehouse of all your memories, thoughts and stories, but it's not just that. It's what your spirit is made of , your subtle body is made of..and your spirit moved and pick the word for you from the storehouse and supplied it to you. You see, it has a function. That function is to make you who you truly are by making attributes available to you at the right time and place. Your mind cannot do that. Infact your mind's capability is so limited that it'll easily forget what you ate yesterday. Your spirit or subconscious remembers stuff for eons on end.

[@kabitabhaumik5829]

This is good, but would Akhtar understand/accept it?

[@YoungKantian]

@@kabitabhaumik5829 He does not have to. Spiritual leaders and their followers are unsung idiots who don't have even a hit of self reliance or individuality. You only believe what's fed to you. I don't have to break to you that Sadhguru isn't half of an intellectual as Nietzsche or Kierkegaard. Sadhguru talks about transcending our senses to break from the limitations that encompass us. That arises a simple question, "Why?" If the entirety of human life is based on our senses and their perception, why should one transcend it ? If your senses are the only understanding to the world, one should embrace it, instead of trying to transcend it which could not even be possible. Jiddu Krishnamurti similarly says that anyone who attained enlightenment or allegedly "Moksha" cannot expect other people's belief. If one really believes in a concept like that, instead of listening to people, one should reach that phase and talk for themselves. All foolish hotheads in the comments are just talking from other people's experiences, are you even human? Because you sure don't trust your individuality, you want to reach "God". What a joke!

[@Kaal3339]

​@@YoungKantianwho said it's not possible to transcend after all we are all bunch of organic machine processing nerons and electrical impulses...one day we will able to transfer our consciousness in to other cyborgs or fully metallic machine....and you don't need basic senses for that just wires and wireless....

[@NarayanSubrahmanyam]

Sadhguruji, Having watched 100s of your videos, I exactly understand what you are trying to say. I also understand how difficult it is in explaining the experiential possibilities, due to limitations of language. I feel you shouldn't have accepted this invitation. I think none of the people present understood the core of what you are trying to say. This 'intellectual' Javed Akhtar is a school boy. His Chinese example shows that. The American lady is fine.

[@MrMontu1979]

one wise man and two idiots.... It takes a certain level of awareness and being straight with life to understand what Sadhguru speaks

[@RishabhSingh-rx6ep]

Abhishek Sharma rightly said .

[@shivaraml5692]

Abhishek Sharma The other two are just not reached the threshold of evolution to understand what goes beyond.

[@iwillachivemygoal7956]

@@Princedemars abe haat

[@Phoenix-King-ozai]

Only javed is smart Sadguru is another deluded soul

[@Phoenix-King-ozai]

Princedemars pity but true

[@vijaybirajdar9298]

Both the speakers are experts to know in mind and it's millions of dimensions in a second I congratulate both of them ,questions are as doubts I liked this different views.

[@000Aful]

Such wonderful ideas and speeches. Please upload at least 360p videos. Even the face is not clear enough.

[@vibhorkaushik9769]

It seems Javeed sahaab is convinced that he knows all, that's why he can't think beyond what he already knows... Vasudevji was trying to explain that it's wise to explore new possibilities of living & experiencing life without giving away usual process...

[@MrSurajv3]

Javed is the Dung from Sadhguru story of Bull

[@himanshiteesha3224]

Suraj Varma ahhahahahahahha omg i laughed so hard

[@aman1245singh]

Suraj Varma hahaha nailed it dude

[@shraytawde1066]

Suraj Varma Hahahaha

[@avy5474]

Suraj Varma Holyshit😂😂

[@anileshani1814]

Suraj Varma

[@santoshkumar-sn8ff]

i can say that maximum no. of people over there had a wrong definition about spirituality or to be spiritual. The way Sadhguru defines to be spiritual is wonderful and extraordinary.spirituality doesn't mean seeking god.every body should know that.

[@indu13satish]

Sadhguru is very well at speaking the decorative words around "wat he calls exploring the inner world/space". And just giving hope and possibility of that inner space!! Hmm... I think he need to explain what should we do the get the mind to clarity of state that he is at. Is he at that state of mind really or just a practice of speech ? I don't know

[@imrankhan-nc4hl]

Sadhguru can't decide at a point whether to laugh or weep at the shallow wits of javed akhtar. The latter is exposed to have a superficial understanding. Not to speak of holding debate , he can't even grasp the dense ideas of great sadhguru

[@subhabratasarkar9219]

The old lady almost started crying in the end. 😂

[@gopalpedapallikar334]

Dear Sadguru, You are putting efforts to make the universe understand the spiritual technology, But only person who has currage to follow the process, can experiance the expanded ability. Yes many more have experienced and living with drastic improved life in all aspects.

[@praveeng4173]

If I was part of the crowd sitting there, i should have given a big YES to every word that Sadhguru spoke.

[@sahyadri1111]

Javed sahab is a lyricist,writer.These skills gives him very positive experience of life..His points of 'common sense' (modernity) are practiced by many today..But Sadguru's thoughts are perfect blend of modernity and spirituality.They have power to heal the minds of millions..Javed Sahab's words don't comfort my mind but I feel the peace when I listen to Sadguru..Just like Gulzar Sahab's poems!!

[@aquiline-m1590]

Spirituality is like afim, and is seems that it works well on you

[@YogeshRana-fg8jr]

Shall I name some spiritual people ... Mahatma Gandhi, Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs, PM Narendra Modi, Siddharth the Buddha, Abraham Lincoln, Nelson Mandela, Carl Sagan, Jim Cary, Ashoka the emperor, Abkar the great ... 10 years later we will add Sadhguru the wisest being

[@aman1245singh]

Yogesh Rana what about martin luther king and mother teresa

[@infinium_77]

Yogesh Rana Akbar?

[@golusingh13]

u missed president kalam

[@simik4981]

Also add asaram bapu, ma sheela, and other fraudsters

[@dubsmashbest6643]

Hii guyz I thought in comments i will see more people like crowd in this video But you guyz are amazing I m glad to see that there is majority of people who are commenting are aware

[@vishwakantsingha7689]

Really appreciate three great peoples are healthy discussing open our mind and learning more about different angles,

[@deeptipanwar3611]

mr. Javed Akhtar.. why am I here is not a pompous question... because this quest need not to have a highly dramatic pompous answer... even the simplest answer like raising my child as good human being is enough... moreover, i believe that in present times, such questions are need to be asked more than ever..

[@sangeetadasappa1947]

the guy with the yellow turban in amazing

[@BodhisattwaGuha]

+Sangeeta Dasappa Yes mystery is always amazing. It is mysterious how the cell phones work.

[@prateekgurjar1651]

Sangeeta Dasappa he is called jaggi vasudev

[@adityasengupta4416]

Yes he is sadhguru mystic yogi and multitalented guy when i came to know that he made adiyogi statue itself with his own hand without outsider help he design the whole adiyogi statue 😊😊😊

[@diagoldy8583]

Sadhguru, you nailed Javed with your last comment! There is no point arguing with people like Javed Akhtar. These are stubborn, narrow minded people who do not even try to seek new possibilities of mind and existence. Such people just need to be ignored.

[@hemavathibhat7172]

i like sadguru but Javed sir has good point. My Regards to all

[@lakvade4740]

I wonder how people have courage to speak in front of sadhguru like that ... If I see him, I think I will just burst in tears

[@puppieslove9652]

wtf . shit S G is

[@fighter7984]

Because you have not inteligence. Hadguru.

[@princeakhoon3831]

Amazing sadguru...siplendid..😊

[@dotlinker]

Mind is just data or Memory which is processed through experiences and emotions which you have over period of time and perform the actions based on its logical conclusions which it agrees to be True.

[@Innerexplorer67]

Our existence has many layers ( senses, body, mind, intellect, ego, consciousness, soul ) One must read Patanjali yoga sutras to understand the bigger picture of human and astral body. Mr Akhtar has a high level of artistic and intelligent mind and therefore is more identified with it but cannot perceive the universal consciousness which Sadhguru and many great sages have experienced!🙏💫

[@pinkpanther02031]

Its so true what Sadhguruji is saying, that is exactly what Javeed Akhtar is doing talking in limitation of this data,and senses. As I understand Sadhguruji is not denying senses and mind and intelligence,he is simply saying there is something beyond all this which if reached brings well being and is beyond limitations.

[@jahankavaasi]

Why Javed and that Women jumping to answer questions even though when questions are asked from Sadhguru

[@unknowntraveller3195]

respectful javed sir is on the boundary he will experience the way he loved his idea...its all about your capability to take challenge

[@jean-francoi4083]

this is why listening is a consequence of spaciousness. the difference is between using the mind or beeing used by it. wich one is full of itself. wich one has space for listening. should be clear. it is no a debate.

[@allembrace]

The defficiency of INDIA Today Organizing this lopsided conclave is glaringly obvious. On the one hand the SADHGURU is a profound human being with deep understanding and enlightened mind and on the other side are this lady and JAVED AKHTAR who have very limited ( or dismal knowledge) understanding about cosmos and human existence . INDIA TODAY should feel ashamed and should be reprimanded for it's role and lack of even right understanding and judgement . INDIA TODAY OWES an apology to the SADHGURU .

[@vinaysrivastava4317]

According to Javed Scientist should not launch Hubbel Telescope because 5 senses are enough to see everything. Even the far out galaxies... I didnt know as a great writer he would be so reluctant to go beyond your ow belief !

[@Princedemars]

+Vinay Srivastava Telescope is an extension of an eye, not a sixth sense. Telescope provides Emperical evidence based on data and our senses analyse it. Telescope doesn't sent any data in alien language, it seds the dta as it sees it.

[@LalitKumar-cu5iu]

V S Even the telescope enhances one of the senses that guru is asking to transcend.

[@gopali6378]

Sadhguru பாவம், நம்ம மாதிரி மக்கள் கிட்ட maatikitaaru,,, anyway this is true with all his life as he has to show the path for everybody even they don't have the capability of understanding him. 🙏

[@anupamwin]

Javed Sir, You are good only with your songs.Please let's don't try beyond that.

[@ranme3638]

No we actually tolerate he songs

[@sudhirmishra7837]

India today Please make an arrangement of discussion between javad and mulla. So that we able to know his capability

[@krishnachandrayadav.]

what the universe is beyond the experiences of five senses? why did not javed akhtar understand this? if he understand that he can do everything from five senses then he was also born with five senses at that time why did not he can write the songs?

[@monikasharma254]

लगता है India Today जावेद अख़्तर के घर का है वहीं decide कर रहा है कौन question पूछेगा। और कितना खुश हो रहा है जब साधगुरू से questioning हो रही है।

[@mukeshtiwari6414]

The fact of the matter inspite of reaching great height javed saab never understood the term spirituality and he even not understood what sadguru tried to convey.

[@vivekrohar9485]

jawed sir you rocked the concert. as it is evident from the response of the audience, who are fare more enlightened then the audience in other generic kind of gatherings. am your big fan sir. I am great admirer of Hindu culture which always held the reasoning above the ill founded faith. may you live long.

[@novu5547]

sadhguru is awesome 💐🌷

[@Lhagyal]

Sadhguru's point was; if we stay within the limitations of our senses; it might confuse us sometimes or it will keep us within that limitation. Example; if we hold someone's hand colder than ours, we will sense our hand is warm. And if we hold someone's hand warmer than ours, we will sense our hand is cold. So in both case our hand's temperature is same, but our senses are giving two different reactions. So; same as, there are lots of other examples, in where our senses are limited. If we seek and explore the other dimensions, our possibilities of knowing arises more. Otherwise it's gonna be same like, Mr. Javed Sir. His mind has already made a conclusion that Sadhguru is wrong. So possibility to understand what actually Sadhguru meant is closed.

[@shekar2158]

very nice to know views of great leaders spirituality

[@jatrana1]

love y0u sadhguru.

[@Sunny-rc3eb]

All the people i see in the comment section have already come with a prejudice against Javed sir, guy talks about rationality and using logic. Go ahead and solve global warming and global diseases with spirituality. Only logic science and rationality could do that.

[@SanthoshRajagopalan]

Being spiritual is being conscious to the highest level. Only being conscious can solve global warming. What have we done with logic? We're only making things worse

[@sudusj1902]

Science is The main reason in a way to global warming in the world. Becoz of that only the debris are here.

[@sainigagan5]

It's interesting to see how Javed is bringing forward a variation in interpretation and reasoning. I would say that the same is relevant to every discussion and especially to the spiritual ones. However, maturity demands that you don't keep stirring the pot again and again because what sadguru says makes enough sense to even the illiterate.

[@satyaranjansingh6252]

It is good that Javed sir is speaking this way . He is respected, renowned and imminent person and we can see that how hollow minded can even an respected, renowned and imminent like him be. He has revealed the stuff he has in him but at the same time there is stark presence of hollowness and he cannot come to terms with words like transcend visa -vis spirituality. He is objective but Sadguru is subjective . He is filmy and politik. Einstein who was great spiritual, politik and scientist, Excerpts from his writing work.-( God-escapes all book knowledge. Our bodies are like prisons, and I look forward to be free, but I don’t speculate on what will happen to me. There is a pattern in creation .Man, too, is more than flesh and blood; otherwise, no religions would have been possible and it is already printed. The basic laws of the universe are simple, but because our senses are limited, we can’t grasp them. The soul given to each of us is moved by the same living spirit that moves the universe. It is only man’s CONSCIOUSNESS of what he does with his mind that elevates him above the animals, and enables him to become aware of himself and his relationship to the universe.. If we want to improve the world we cannot do it with scientific knowledge but with ideals. Confucius, Buddha, Jesus and Gandhi have done more for humanity than science has done) . Einstin famous quote- Intutive mind is a sacred gift and rational mind is a faithful servant . There is mention of humanity ,soul ,spirituality. Politics in the above excerpts. Now viewers tell what different Sadguru was teaching as making his speech

[@kumrajan1]

Sadguru Rocks

[@jamesdsa2795]

Javed is using his senses and his mind, whereas guru wants everyone to listen him and not to use their own mind. That's it

[@greensnake7483]

😂 listen it again

[@zyzz3152]

Oh really 😏

[@preethishetty6179]

He is asking you to seek on your own , to know the true self beyond your mind ( which is accumulated data) . The whole yogic science is to open up a dimension beyond the physical ( mind & body ). Yoga is exploration not limitations. It is Javed who made up this conclusion that the guru said Dont use the mind , the guru actually never said it . It is a foolish statement becos it isn’t possible to not use the mind however you try . But he is asking you to not limit yourself to the mind which is just collection of Info / data . Which is recycled and used as per w situations . You must look his interview with scientists who study the mind .

[@gkumarkumar6827]

Study of soul and it's journey is called spirituality....until now we have no perfect tool to explain practically spirituality.....but it can be understandable by practice and knowledge......

[@pw8331]

The title seems apt because Sadhguru is the reason we are watching this. Not for a master class on inspiring writers, or thinkers who want to drop the Indian altruism.