Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion in chaos after landmark legal ruling that signage is UNLAWFUL

ULEZ Misery begins: www.thesun.co.uk/motors/23682...
LONDON Mayor Sadiq Khan’s hated ultra-low emission zone was in chaos last night following a landmark legal verdict.
Scaffolder Noel Willcox - hit with £11,500 in penalties - won a ruling that key signs for its sister scheme are not lawful.
And he believes his win paves the way for others to fight charges when Khan’s Ulez expands to cover the whole of Greater London tomorrow.
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[@hugolafhugolaf]

The UK is such a joke now.

[@magpies77]

Massive joke

[@666evo666]

England is such a joke now* There fixed it for you mate.

[@shanepatrick641]

I agree it’s an embarrassment! I ought to move country really.

[@StevenHarper-fj3ft]

This is exactly why I left the uk 6 yrs ago and never been back since that country is a laughing stock world wide

[@jimmyskyblue6057]

@@bobs_1429Couldn’t agree more, people that say they’re moving country because of the way the U.K. has gone, obviously have not traveled. I’ve lived and worked all over the world and the U.K. is not that bad in comparison. I agree it is being run into the ground by lunatics, but so are other countries, Canada, US, NZ are all being run by Headbangers.

[@SuperWayneyb]

We have an M.O.T every year and emissions are tested, if you have a valid M.O.T how can your car be legal for the road but then get fined for driving it on the roads?

[@paulmartin9194]

That would actually be a good point to use in any case against this

[@colintawn3535]

@SuperWaneyb An Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle is one that uses low carbon technologies and emits less than 75g CO2/km from the tailpipe. This is a different standard to the MoT test for emissions.

[@gillps5130]

​@@colintawn3535 MOTs are necessary to drive your older car legally. If it's legal to drive according to UK law how can a tin pot foreign mayor upstage it? Lawyers' answers welcome.

[@SuperWayneyb]

@@colintawn3535 That is exactly my point, this should not be allowed. The science does not add up, and will cost lives and livelihoods and need to be fought and eradicated as well as those who implemented it to be held accountable and declared unfit for public office.

[@ollylappage2595]

@@colintawn3535 The amount of CO2 is not what defines a vehicle as being exempt from the ULEZ charge. It must be Euro 6 (diesel) or Euro 4 (petrol) compliant. It can certainly emit >75g CO2. It's about reducing pollution caused by NOx and fine particulate matter.

[@BanjoPixelSnack]

There should be the option to turn your car around before you pass into the ULEZ zone. If there isn’t that option then they’re essentially forcing you to get fined. So many people would stop and turnaround if the signs actually said £12.50 charge for driving over this line.

[@Austin-cx2xe]

No there shouldn’t. No "low" emission zones should exist at all. Especially when you have the government using cars, planes, and all sorts of high emission vehicles with no sense of responsibility.

[@25242824]

They put the sign on a one way dual carriageway with nowhere to turn around, so by the time you see the sign you cannot turn around, you're basically kettled into the area, it's a con.

[@roofingcontractors3349]

We're worried about everyone health in London but if you pay £12.50 we don't care about every body's health 😂 makes no sense

[@eastwood978]

The same rules in the existing ULEZ reduced the use of older more polluting vehicles presumably due to not wanting to pay like increasing the cost of cigarettes' discourages smoking.

[@nauxsi]

It's a nudge to motorists to tell them the direction of travel in 5 years time and to adapt and start transitioning mentally and then via choice of transport.

[@scottb9669]

Yeah I mean there's probably a good reason your name is "roofing contractors".... Not the sharpest tools in the shed, if you'd excuse the pun.

[@Grimm66613]

If you live outside London but have to drive in 5 days a week. That’s £62.50 a week. £250 a month. £3,250 a year. Now you don’t seem to think that’s a lot. So if you want you can send me £3,250 every year. I won’t say no.

[@roofingcontractors3349]

@@scottb9669 sharp enuff to be awake unlike you sitting there drinking your soya milk strumming ya boyfriend

[@chamatsprayart2283]

The corruption stinks... Even with a court order they harassed him...

[@weekenddelight2489]

Disgusting, I hope people al start retaliating and fighting back

[@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072]

SAD thing is you cant afford £2,500 well move out of london IM REALLY pleased they have brought this ULEZ in well done ,, so bloody sad that people are complaining ,,, get another car they are starting at £2,500 for a 2016 Ulez 6 car

[@DMC888]

The audacity!

[@faceit8622]

@@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072 not everybody can afford to get another car u bloody idiot. People commute on daily basis to London for work and not everyone can afford it

[@pennylane5404]

Khunt thinks he’s unstoppable

[@mrgrumps3062]

Everyone should should fight to get refunds for any fines they have paid.

[@mrcomment6035]

I remember, I once missed a turn and went straight into London. And literally SO many roads have either the LEZ or the ULEZ. Instead of a modest hour-long drive it took me 3 hours to manoeuvre around London to not once get into a low-emission zone. I had to do 180 on the roundabouts, drive through one-lane roads, roads under construction, get stuck in traffic jams, get off and on the ring road, etc. And that was all past midnight! Another problem is that sometimes they don't place them at road entrances, instead they display the signs further away, at a point of no return.

[@jleath1201]

All that driving caused extra pollution. 😂

[@brendanj1124]

to cut emissions maybe instead of changing the culture of every city just boot out the politicians creating the cultural changes haha. then ULEZ will go with the politicians because nobody will enforce it?

[@freedoms-bv4gt]

😂😂

[@Kwerkmoder]

ULEZ is just another tax on the motorist with absolutely zero interest in reducing pollution from cars. If they were serious in reducing pollution from cars then they would ban cars entirely from London. What they are saying about ULEZ is that you can drive into London in your non compliant vehicle and pollute the air as you did before but we are now going to charge you 12.50 for the privilege. As I said, it’s just another tax on the motorist.

[@tonyhaynes9080]

When they bring in the charge per mile that you drive, will they drop this stupid ULEZ fine? Will they reduce the amount of road tax that you pay? Where will the money go and how will it be spent? Many questions been asked about the proposals they are trying to bring in to hammer people driving in the inner M25 area.

[@jamesking1883]

How could they possibly ban cars entirely? Brain dead comment. Peasant trying to understand large scale problems that require high IQ.

[@curtisj2165]

It's acceptable to pollute.............as long as you pay £12.50

[@annother3350]

@@tonyhaynes9080 When they bring in?? No, we need to m ake sure they dont bring this in. Petrol is already pay per mile

[@Kwerkmoder]

@@curtisj2165that is exactly what they are saying with ULEZ.

[@barryrice7647]

It is a shame he didn't take TFL to court for intimidation causing stress and anxiety, sue them for not abiding by a court order, chasing him just shows it is the money they want.

[@Ty-pw3fq]

Agreed. I wanted to add for peoples awareness. Yes money helps these tyrants, but the main point is to 'make an example' of Noel to simply scare others. I think TFL's relentless pursuit towards Noel was a clear indicator that the move was more political. Have they had made an example of Noel, it would of sealed the loophole to warn off others and this report on the sun wouldn't of even come to existence. This is a blow towards Sadiq and more people like Noel who has discovered these unlawful acts need to show balls to stop this bs going further.

[@grime_garage]

He should take Boris Johnson to court because ULEZ was his idea.

[@blitzchaserjzx100]

Yeah it's BULLYING..

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Boris Johnson was the man who wanted ULEZ . It was Boris’s idea initially to introduce it. Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge.

[@alansalter1836]

@@grime_garagewell there is a point not defending Johnson but he never brought it even though it was his idea khan as instead

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Another good point is by the time you can see the sign, your already getting charged. It's not like you can stop and turn around to avoid it. Frankly it should be obvious, paint the roads blue or something to show where the zones are lol. Not that I think the law should exist, but it needs to be really obvious if it does.

[@crysis4real]

He is so right. All the signage and ULEZ needs to get scrapped !

[@illegalopinions4082]

This isn't a legal loophole. ULEZ failed the public consultation, it should not be implemented. The fact this man has to engage in gamesmanship to stop Khan doing what he has no right to do is a poor state of affairs.

[@willieckaslike]

Going against public opinion has been the norm in Democratic Britain since BLAIR took Britain into a war neither the public OR the British Security Service supported. But because the idiot BUSH told him to mobilise BLAIR immediately did so !

[@Right_is_Wrong]

Londoners support ULEZ by a factor of 2:1

[@illegalopinions4082]

@@Right_is_Wrong If that were the case UKEZ wouldn't have failed it's public consultation. It not only failed it once, but twice. Don't waste everyone's time with your inane lies.

[@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it]

@Right_is_Wrong if you lot are willing to vote for Khan then you deserve what you get but don't dare to claim to care about the working class again.

[@alexfrench3748]

​@@Right_is_Wrong Source.

[@ceismulcastle]

Everyone that has been charged should put in a claim for the payment plus interest plus any costs

[@terryliversidge5290]

And compensation for stress 😊

[@michaelgeorge4193]

100% claim you fine back from TfL

[@curtisj2165]

A class action lawsuit would be the way to go

[@Nickle314]

Why did the judge adjourn the case? They knew what the appeal was, and they couldn't be arsed to turn up.

[@sercanserj7804]

I might aswell sue them for the cost of my car and claim they forced me to upgrade or pay. Free car wohooo

[@jfilm7466]

If you are unaware of where this zone starts and all of a sudden you are in it with no way of getting out without being charged... Under Contract Law is it not true that there was no meeting "meeting of the minds", therefore no contract and any subsequent fines or charges will be null, void and neither legal or lawful?

[@marcturner5809]

It’s money grabbing, that’s all it is, I hope more people fight against this. ULEZ appears to just be a double up on the Congestion charge, they are treating us all like mugs, it’s disgraceful

[@rh9280]

This is a wicked trap for new visitors to London. I stayed at a friends empty flat just inside the new zone for three days. After I returned home I got £80x3 fines. I was so angry I couldn’t face appealing so just paid. I regret that now. I remember seeing a sign saying ULEZ 1.5 miles ahead, but don’t remember seeing an actual Zone sign. It is a scam. The pleasure of visiting the Wallace collection is now permanently spoiled for me. I will not go to London again.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge. Know the facts.

[@drp9542]

The new expanded ULEZ zone doesn’t start until tomorrow, so presumably you mean the original ULEZ zone?

[@akacocox6114]

​​@@christopherwhittaker2620what are you waffling about? Nothing you have said is relevant to their complaint, absolute pillock.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@drp9542 Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge. The wilfully ignorant gammons are so in denial or are so ignorant of the facts regarding ULEZ. Get a f.grip you pearl clutching hypocrites.

[@joparish1037]

You could always use public transport, drive a compliant vehicle or pay the fee? It’s not rocket science…

[@Phil-bc2sd]

If the elected government of the uk cannot overrule a city mayor THEN EITHER THE LAW NEEDS CHANGING OR THE MAYORS NEED TO BE SCRAPPED.

[@gjonno]

Agree. The Mayor of London has far too much power. SK does not give a **** about Londoners, particularly the working class who he should be helping. Shame on him!!!

[@anncook1331]

Their lying all part of it taxing you in everything own nothing and be happy get them all out

[@infrasleep]

ALL the disasters of today-like a government being unable to over rule an idiot like Khan who is doing serious damage to London to idiotic "human rights" blocking murderers rapist and terrorists from being deported and useless NHS managers allowing a nurse to murder babies are ALL down to Blair.

[@yaboyj2191]

​@@gjonnoI'm curious as to which profanity word you used that has two letters?

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Exactly. How can the London Mayor be more powerful than the Cabinet. Cabinet don't care because its totally irrelevant to them, as they get chauffeured in anyway, like everything with the cost of living, no irrelevant to them

[@orchidhouse297]

Where is the provision for turning around and going back instead of continuing into the ULEZ, or to stop to consult a map?

[@PClem59]

its all about control of people's lives

[@victoria5043]

Well done that man! Reminds me of all Covid fines that were thrown out. Basically illegal.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge.

[@seanmaccionnaith3458]

They should ban foreigners from cooking curry. Its the fumes from this crap that is causing most of the problems in London.

[@shanyebyt4899]

​@@christopherwhittaker2620save your breath

[@JoeEbitDa]

@@christopherwhittaker2620 Also this the title is wrong the case refers to the LEZ signs not ULEZ, these signs were first put up by BOJOs administration in 2008

[@markthoughtswithukrainemas2072]

I fully support this IM REALLY pleased they have brought this ULEZ in well done ,, so bloody sad that people are complaining ,,, get another car they are starting at £2,500 for a 2016 Ulez 6 car

[@turnbull321]

Who would have thought that money can clean air. Amazing

[@dudebro3250]

That's government supremacy for you.

[@bbrs925]

Well money can build hospitals and fund operations. It can create oil wells and pollute the air in the first place. So why can’t it clean air? There’s a sugar tax in Scotland to tackle obesity and diabetes and guess what… it works !

[@markhackett2302]

Who would have thought making air quality out of cars a harder requirement would clean the air in the region. Amazing.

[@IEH_]

Do you think this simply in everything else in life? It’s called a disincentive. Same way if you park on a double yellow line you get a £60 fine to disincentivise you from doing it.

[@memyself1566]

It appears to be a unique filtration system - where the filtration medium filters its way into people’s pockets somewhere along the line. Truly a miracle of modern science and technology.

[@user-cr1gy9ng5j]

More citizens like this guy needed 👍👍👍

[@stefanpuxon]

Up the common man. Thank you for your efforts, sir.

[@gherkamum]

Its just a tax by Khan, he needs to go....

[@r1273m]

..to Islamabad, he can sort out the pollution there!

[@magpies77]

WEF puppets

[@grime_garage]

ULEZ was introduced by Boris not Khan. No different to when Boris wanted to close Uxbridge and Ruislip police station when he was mayor then when Khan became mayor and was going to do it Boris was suddenly outraged as the new MP for..... Uxbridge and Ruislip!

[@magpies77]

@@grime_garage and wasn't he a WEF puppet?

[@Big-T-]

Khans is just a finger puppet. None of these politicians have any loyalty to their country/people anymore it's all about the people they do business with.

[@jedjones9047]

Do people actually believe khan's doing this for their health 😂😂😂😂

[@StinkingBishop]

Remarkably, many do. Insane isn't it.

[@ganndeber1621]

He is doing it and everything else he does to intimidate white people

[@jefftodd621]

Must be from travelling on the Tube then; PM2.5 pollution levels there are 9 times higher than standing on a street in the middle of London.@@bobs_1429

[@visiblekoment]

So what are your thoughts? Why is this being done? I agree with you, but wonder if I agree why.

[@icewallowcome4955]

source? ur brain doesnt match mate@@bobs_1429

[@panayiotiskyriacou3235]

Brilliant well spoken and well done you for speaking out. 👍 It's the same with speed cameras there should be a speed sign on the camera it's self. The same goes to all roads we use to be well signed for every one to see. It's just all about stealing from the poor working. Next they will be creating areas for people with bad breath and clean breath and they will put a charge on it there will be a breath test area. It's all money making never use to be like this. 😤😡😤

[@TheCardargo]

It’s disgusting what they are doing to make money, not just the ULEZ but the streets near schools fining parents for dropping there kids off or picking them up. Some parents don’t have time to walk the kids to school then back home to drive to jobs that are a fair distance away, or are single parents with more than one child but have to go to a school a distance from where they live. Funny how the MPS will have drivers take there kids in and nothing happens because apparently there exempt !!!!! Absolutely disgusting!

[@timmasters1195]

Probably shouldn't have kids if you don't have the time or money to raise them properly

[@TheCardargo]

What? Your message makes no sense what’s having kids got to do with fining parents trying to drop their children off so they can go to work ? If you don’t have the money and time to raise them ? Eh ? What ? Lol , if you haven’t got the money to fined people don’t have kids , is that your message?

[@timmasters1195]

@@TheCardargo I mean, I wouldn't expect you to understand it given you think the ULEZ system is designed to make money.

[@TheCardargo]

Lol Bore off .

[@timmasters1195]

@@TheCardargo drive safe in your van champ

[@duncan649]

Well done Noel. Calmly and carefully demolishes Khan's cash grab with his articulate and knowledgeable presentation. Tradesmen like him are the lifeblood of our country. Thank you for standing up to this bully.

[@shuggiemcg1]

Awful reporting yet again! It is not khans ULEZ it was introduced by Boris Johnson and then he also forced its expansion on Khan when he said he would with hold the boroughs funding if he didnt expand it!

[@awakeningEmpath]

they should erect scaffolding around the Town Hall & other clandestine TFL offices & bunkers to block them in

[@grahamw56]

This foreign bully. Which fools are electing these foreigners to run our country ???

[@richlee509]

I hate Khan and Johnson

[@gs425]

Sadly it was boriss plan originally. Not that it makes it any better

[@rich8761]

how about illegal policy enforced by unelected WEF

[@wolfnipplechips]

Don’t forget the lizard people.

[@garywalling4341]

And unelected Prime minister and everyone employed under his jurification.

[@bobjames6622]

@@wolfnipplechips Don't forget to lick their boots while you're in the dirt grovelling to them.

[@rafrick]

​​@@bobjames6622lol bet you're leading the revolution against them from your keyboard 😂 keep that mental gulag of yours furnished. would rather live and die in ignorance than spend my life living in a mental gulag awaiting an imagined gulag down the line

[@WideCuriosity]

Enforced ? Surely only the national government can kowtow to such groups and enforce their instructions in law.

[@peterdavis5220]

I live in Cornwall and am aware that the new Ulez zone encompasses Greater London. All I have heard in the press and on media is that if your car is not Ulez compliant there is a charge of £12.50 a day to be paid if it is used in that area. On Thursday 19 October I had to take my 15 year old daughter to Heathrow in order for her to fly to Germany to represent England for a Gymnastics competition. As I exited the M4 motorway I saw a sign saying Ulez zone ahead. It was dark and raining heavily ( wipers on double speed). I drove to the Premiere inn hotel and dropped her off then rejoined the motorway for my journey home. I was unsure if I had entered the Ulez zone but had seen no signs or markers to indicate that I had. On 31 October I received a Penalty Charge Notice for use of my vehicle in the charging area without paying the appropriate charge. I would gladly pay the £12.50 to use my vehicle in the zone but the Charge Notice was demanding £90? Perhaps because I live a long way from the area I was not aware that the Charge had to be paid before entering the zone or shortly afterwards. The signage was very poor or non existent, how am I expected to know when or if I entered the zone? There must be thousands of people who visit the area every day who are in non compliant vehicles unaware of the boundaries of the zone and the method of payment. I feel that this is totally unfair and unjust and needs to bought to the attention of the general public!

[@leakoe3797]

Peter-reply Thats disgusting I'm so shocked Feel sorry for you

[@Arwar555]

Good guy..well done taking them to court.

[@user-qn2tn9ue5g]

How can they send bailiffs when the ruling went against them ?

[@awakeningEmpath]

different courts moving the goal posts between them

[@trevorcampbell4952]

Because tfl are crooks

[@shanebrennan4657]

Corruption against the average working class man.

[@carlbland68]

yeap they hate white working class people @@shanebrennan4657

[@randomeyes]

making the rules up as they go along to suit themselves... @@awakeningEmpath

[@rich8761]

if it was intended for good, it would provide alternatives instead of hitting small businesses and workers

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge. All Boris’s idea.

[@Aubury]

Heath and the planet come before the ICE..

[@Wheres_the_money_lebowski]

​@@christopherwhittaker2620I think this comment of yours might be the most pointless comment I've ever seen.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@Wheres_the_money_lebowski really ? Why’s that ? Because it’s true. What a surprise. A Tory who doesn’t like the truth. Go look it up. Boris introduced ULEZ. Fact. Get over it.

[@bbrs925]

Guess what - they provide a scrappage scheme! It applies to all Londoners. You get £2k for scrapping your car and up to £11.5k for scrapping your van or minibus. So how will it hit workers… In fact, I just did a quick check on Gumtree and found a ULEZ-compliant Renault Scenic for £750 - quid’s in!

[@ryanhannah1643]

I drove from the midlands for an event at the Copper Box last July. I'd never heard of this charging zone until a debt collector showed up at my door over 7 months later. A £700 charge for entering on the Friday, another £400 for leaving on the Sunday. They took every penny I had saved purely because I had no idea I had to pay for driving on public roads.

[@Fred-hunt]

hi mate, you might have problems getting your money back, however seeing this video gives me a pretty good idea of how to go about it, put a couple of feelers out to lawyers or your local council to see if there's a response. good luck

[@brendanj1124]

@@Fred-hunt you bet the money just goes to more war an military expenditure. dont want to mention that part. maybe just get a film that obscures your license plate.. they don't deserve this level of control an snobbery over us

[@Toneman2840]

The press must be made aware of this!!

[@stephanblack4558]

If every one refuses to pay the fines then the paper work will back up for years in government offices.

[@michaelgeorge4193]

100% like a blockage in a toilet.... Flush that hit out

[@ianhill4585]

' Bog' (sorry couldn't resist) down the courts in cases, and run the bailiffs ragged chasing the fines payments. I'm sure we could set up some" flash mob anti bailiff push backs".i believe there are already groups doing it....

[@grime_garage]

Great Idea, Hopefully this will also help all those boat people the last thing anybody wants is the government to get the home office claims sorted

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge. Fact. It was always Boris’s idea. Let that sink in you clueless ignoramus

[@MrSmithington]

People can’t think for themselves nowadays

[@spotastar]

Sadiq Khan’s, to reduce toxic air by expanding the ULEZ to greater London will not work. He doesn’t really care about toxic air quality and here is why: - He has already made the toxic air far worse since he has introduced the LTN’s which have increased the toxic air on the main roads because we are forced to use them as there are no other alternatives, especially during rush hour. The roads are now grid locked with traffic moving at walking pace and the fumes are getting denser and not dispersing. LTN’s need to be reopened as it is causing more damage than good. Among all this, the mileage in vehicles has also increased due to the fact that we are forced to go the long way round to get to the required destination - all accumulating to even more emission being emitted! Bravo Sadiq & team. - The health for pedestrians and children as they walk along these main routes to get to stations, schools, shops is deteriorating. Even the drivers inhale more fumes when we are stuck in stationary traffic. This is really aggravating and makes no sense! - Cycle Lanes: Should not be taking up an extra lane of the roads, large pavements could be divided into two for cyclists. - The introductions of 20MPH roads are also a problem because emission fumes don’t disperse quickly and the air is getting even more polluted because of the need to drive in lower gears. Sadiq’s statement: “It is to reduce toxic air pollution” is clearly not accurate and is making matters worse. The situation is getting extremely out of hand and something needs to be done to stop him from ruining our climate even more. He should resign and Londoners should vote for someone who will make London a greater and more desirable place to live in. There needs to be a more logical and strategic plan that is well thought. Vinnie Lauda

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

You do know it was Boris Johnson who introduced ULEZ into London when he was mayor ? You knew that right ? As for the rest of your long winded dribble … you are absolutely clueless. But yeah Boris’s was the first to introduce ULEZ. Try doing some basic research 👍👍

[@jdk_6159]

​@@christopherwhittaker2620 maybe read what was written... it was Sadiq that is expanding the ULEZ. She never says that it was Sadiq who introduced it. You seem to be the clueless one.

[@nauxsi]

@@jdk_6159 neither Boris or Sadiq khan would have brought this in if it were not for the Conservatives.

[@ginobragoli1448]

Spot on, hit the nail on the head here 100%👍

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@ginobragoli1448 how so ?

[@jamezday]

TFL will make you pay ULEZ but they still have Diesel buses and the dirty Tube air that is 18 x worse than street level, I don't see anything being done about that

[@JerGoes]

Surely continuing to try and enforce the 'charge' after a court has ruled in favour of the individual is contempt of court by TfL?

[@crazycressy7986]

So, from this date, back to when the signs were put up, anyone that got charged is intightled to a full refund

[@user-fd7vc9nw7r]

No, that’s not the way it works.

[@PJ-om2wq]

​@@user-fd7vc9nw7rhow about anyone who got fined for not paying the "charge"?

[@michaelgeorge4193]

Yes you should get a refund.

[@annother3350]

It's not a precedent setting case, so you woulod have to argue it in court but use tghis as an example

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Plans were announced by London Mayor Boris Johnson in March 2015 for the zone to come into operation in September 2020. Sadiq Khan, the subsequent mayor, introduced the zone early in 8 April 2019. The zone initially covered Central London, the same area as the existing London congestion charge.

[@garylongleyl5188]

It does not matter where you live if the signs are illegal they are illegal. Surely this is a case of fraud and bullying with getting money through menace. If everyone appeals it will crash the system, but claim for stress, money lost , paper work etc

[@spiderman01980]

The LEZ has been around for 15 years and signs are everywhere. I remember it because at the time, they wanted to target vans but then scrapped the idea and only targeted vehicles above 3.5t.

[@Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana]

Monday, September 11, 2023 ☁⛅☁ I admire Noel for taking these 7 tickets to court! 😀 And a judge agreed with Noel; he won in court! 👨‍🌾 The ULEZ clerks were still nagging him to pay them, even though Noel has a legal ruling against them; their signs are illegal! This shows you that Sadiq Khan and his crew only care about money. They are hurting and robbing from working people, but they just don't care. 😕

[@lw1zfog]

ukgovdotcon are the biggest bluffing blaggers around

[@sicknews5280]

I want a refund of ulez I paid

[@michaelgeorge4193]

Go after TfL for you refund 100%

[@WVerzoc]

Looks like he found them out. Good for him and shame on the TfL for continuing to annoy him even after the court verdict. He should have sued for harassment.

[@ushmush4074]

The signs need to actually state a charge and what the charge is, like a toll road. How else would anyone know what they're letting themselves in for? No number to call, no website listed, nothing.

[@stevekenilworth]

having in a duel carriageway it entrapment. same as a car park you are given time to park read the charges and T/C if not happy with them you leave. every zone when you get to it should have cost and a place to turn around because you cannot informed choose if it 10p yer but it could be £100 so charges displayed and a turn around place before the zone starts, if i do not see them i go to court and fight it

[@jayseabie215]

6 of the home county boroughs are not allowing signage to be placed on their land warning of the upcoming zone. No fines issued as a result of this will be legal and Kahn cannot do a thing about it 😂

[@bbrs925]

Ah well, guess it will start a mile further in. Point is, it’s happening. Can I ask - is your car not ULEZ exempt? Just trying to work out if you have an actual grievance or are just one of the ‘WEF/ 15 minute city’ conspiracy theorists. 😊

[@markryan3498]

@@bbrs925 lol the flogged to death conspiracy theorist insult that really has lost its impact these days, im surprised you didnt throw waycist in while your at it hahah "its happening" lol not if Blade runners have anything to do with it, i hear they are having huge success de-installing, one has to wonder if they will turn there attentions to the signs, as this will make penalties non enforceable if they are defaced or removed. 😊

[@MrEdrftgyuji]

​@@bbrs925The only conspiracy theory is glowbull warming.

[@ethanclark4663]

KCC are not gonna build any cameras either

[@OhSoddit]

@@bbrs925LOL - are you a deepstate troll? WEF 15 minute cities are hardly a "conspiracy theory" when you're living in one. Go take another booster and buy a box of masks.....

[@robinsanders5541]

That’s absolutely brilliant. Well done him. I’m in favor of a clean environment but the way the London mayor has implemented this ULEZ has resulted in a massive overstep of his authority and ability.

[@Fly_high138]

People are forgetting about shopping bag charges too. It wasn’t normal citizens fault to consume plastic bag/ shopping bag. It was government and businesses who already skinning us, so why we consumer pay the charges? Now uleze charges. Again not the consumer fault government approved and businesses made money so why we forced to pay or buy hefty prices?

[@TH-cl5be]

all the charges are unlawful even the dartford

[@tonyhaynes9080]

The charge for the Dartford crossing, was meant to cease once the cost of the project had been recovered. I wonder when it will actually cease?

[@ianhill4585]

Its another" cash cow". It won't end......

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Blame boris as it was his idea and he was the one to introduce it when he was mayor. But you knew that right ? Right ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@nauxsi]

@@tonyhaynes9080 at quarter past never. Same case will be made for blackwall tunnel...

[@nauxsi]

@@christopherwhittaker2620 It was Conservatives who brought in legislation that meant Boris had to.

[@blowduke]

If it wasn’t about money there would be low cost buses and tube and trains

[@annother3350]

It's not about money, it's about slowly getting all private vehicles off the road

[@IanM18]

But it's been proven that the trains and tubes pollute much more than cars and buses, mainly due to brake dust.....which WILL kill you.

[@GrossShorts]

definitely about the money, TFL is a business, run like a business

[@annother3350]

@@GrossShorts There is a plan to do away with private vehicles. It's part of the united nations agenda, and Khan is told what to do by the globalist elite, courtesy of the global parliament of mayors

[@bbrs925]

@@IanM18maybe so but there are FEWER of those and they carry MORE people. That’s how public transport works

[@turkg7217]

So if you fight for it until court you might win result " tfl illegal signs". How comes it has not been removed till then and what about people who still is being fooled and paying those charges?????

[@lateraldeano]

I live in Wolverhampton and have completely forgot about this. In 2019 I bought a compliant car to work in Birmingham. My car is now uncompliant. 😂😂😂

[@cyberleaderandy1]

No way id ever go near London these days. Its an utterly insane place

[@AutisticMorty]

Screw UK altogether. If you're in UK, find a way to get out.

[@TheKatesoule]

When i lived in the UK they removed lead from petrol and set up an emissions scheme.. They also kept promising better and more train/ bus routes to encourage ditching the car. Anyhoo, went back for my Moms funeral in 2011 and decided to use the bus to go into Birmingham City as my husband had never been on a double decker.....the bus I used to ride growing up was no longer, that route was scrapped so had to do a fair bit of walking to get to the alternate bus and oh boy it was filthy. We used the hire car after that for all journeys😅 Seems like its only gotten worse Edit: forgot to say, I was born in London and back in 2006 I was down the smoke and took the tube for 3 stops to visit an Aunt and it cost me over 10 quid....I thought that was mental back in 2006

[@simonelsey]

normally with toll roads you have costings posted....ummmm

[@Toneman2840]

For workers they should be exempt not for leisure use though!!

[@fmj8448]

It also forces people to take on more debt buying newer Ulez compliant cars, unless you’re flush with cash which most people aren’t

[@MegaJHaskell]

I believe 90% of cars are already compliant.

[@curtisj2165]

​@@MegaJHaskellso says Sadiq Khan. Not as if he doesn't lie is it?

[@ianhill4585]

So leave the other 10% alone, they'll go through natural end of life usage.

[@grime_garage]

The majority of Londoners rich or poor use public transport what Khan should do is just cut services in the Tory run suburbs. After all its obvious that if Khan gets voted out the Tories will suddenly find the money to fund TFL

[@frankspeakmore7104]

Even if ever car WAS compliant, they will find another way of charging motorists for example the weight of most electric cars are heavier that of a normal car, the roads need more maintenance because of the extra weight, you have to pay a charge. They need/want money from motorists in all cities.

[@terryliversidge5290]

These signs should be well before the zone with alternative routes marked if you want to miss the zone.

[@andrewdoran4572]

Absolutely correct....TFL just want the money.....the whole thing is a farce.

[@snsn7251]

Spot on

[@solentbum]

There are.

[@thefountainpendesk]

There are

[@BLACKSTARR2006]

So basically he just told tfl how they can charge drivers lawfully for free!!

[@richardcarey9121]

Time for TFL to refund all who have ever entered ULEZ for illegally charging.

[@ronpalmer1371]

How can one person cause such misery for so many, I thought we the public employ councils and government to carry out our wishes

[@gimmemore9709]

Unless you’re sadick Kant.

[@Derbster1981]

They are all WEF taking over

[@DMC888]

Mr Khan thinks he’s giving people what they need, not what they want. Vote him out.

[@jackperry2821]

Could you not say the same with people deciding to drive when they know it’s detrimental to air quality? Happy to sacrifice everyone else’s air quality because it takes 15 mins less to get to work, that’s being selfish imo

[@markorollo.]

I think you need to pay a visit to the Ukraine if you think this causes 'such misery' or Poland 1939, something my Grandmother experienced, you clearly need help to understand the actual definition of misery.

[@PhillipParr]

The way to do this isn't to penalise existing motorists, it's to phase out non-compliant vehicles by stopping producing them. Nobody expects to buy any product only to be told that there is now an additional charge for using said product; a business pulling that tactic would be taken to court for unfair dealing. It's bad enough that the Dartford crossing is a toll road - why? I pay vehicle excise duty and I pay tax on petrol for every mile I travel, adding random extra payment zones is weaselly.

[@eastwood978]

Diesel cars less then 9 years old & petrol 15 years pretty much all comply with the ULEZ so unaffected by it.

[@PhillipParr]

@@eastwood978 Indeed. I suspect this affects tradies with older vans more than anyone else.

[@juliepask2652]

I thought the Dartford crossing was only supposed to charge until the bridge was paid for, which it was,years ago - why are we still paying?

[@awakeningEmpath]

I guess the logic behind it is people respond to financial incentives, also a lot of us complaining about ULEZ & CC have also complained about congestion & pollution for decades, so for TFL it's a catch 22 with public opinion

[@WesleyJeggo-zi6pk]

At least dartford crossing is a fairer charge at 2.50. And free after 10pm. ULEZ is a rip off for anyone only going slightly within it

[@bmc9504]

Take it to court.

[@martyn6792]

This could blow in tfls face

[@HammersnBlades]

My Wife drove to LONDON to see a specialist (which turned out to be an overpriced disappointment) she then received a fine from a LONDON Congestion charge company for a silly amount of money. She never paid it and threw all correspondence in the bin when it arrived in the post. Eventually the demands stopped coming a year after she died of a stroke.

[@user-wf8wl8mc5c]

Well done mate 👏🏼

[@77oxf]

This isn't about money, it's about control. They eventually want to ban private car ownership. ULEZ is just about increasing coverage for TfL cameras.

[@affectionatepunch]

If that was the case they would just increase camera footage fullstop

[@randomeyes]

about money mainly i'd say.... same with the digital currency proposals.. yea control to a degree but deep down money

[@DZ-jm1my]

They do not want to ban private car ownership, what? Private cars still exist in the Netherlands and in Denmark, where anti-car measures are far more strict.

[@1ReasonableGuy]

I have a 15 year old diesel car that if I drive into London I will need to pay the £12.50. That car emits 180 g CO2 per km. I recently bought a new petrol car which emits 220 g CO2 per km. This new car can drive into London with no need to pay the ULEZ fee. Something has not been thought through with all this, obviously…

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

C02 is not the only pollutant!

[@TheModelator]

without going into too much detail. my wife had broken down on the A4 just outside the ULEZ ZONE for Heathrow Airport. The A4 where I was is not ULEZ. I saw my wife on the other side of the dual carriageway and took my first exit to turn around. Still no ULEZ signs. Around a week later I received a penalty stating I was driving in a ULEZ zone and had to pay £90. I spent more than a week attempting to contact them and finally found an email address only to be given a generic answer rejecting my claim. The reply to no signs at this junction quoted that they do not have to show signs at all junctions to save road clutter,,,,, This is a main entrance to terminal 5 Heathrow,,,,, So if there are no signs,,, and they do not need to show signs, how the hell am I supposed to know I;ve entered a zone,,,,,, just had another letter escalating the fine to £260 ????????

[@benblogsandgaming8933]

Don’t worry they will be quick to silence him

[@jwsonsdevelopmentsltd4035]

Totally agree with this, I’m from Oxford and recently got a job in London. Totally unaware that there is a charge until speaking to another staff member and then making me aware. Week later I get a fine, totally unacceptable! These signs don’t state anything about being charged

[@hoonaticbloggs5402]

Appeal the fine

[@warrengrant2992]

If every single person appealed then people could actually fight this... If everyone refused to pay up what they really gonna do? Chase up all these millions of people...

[@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768]

So...once you have paid the charge does your car not pump out fumes? if not what is the point really?

[@frankspeakmore7104]

That is such a good point. People are still dying from poor air, but Khan gets a revenue from it.

[@drp9542]

This is what bothers me the most about ULEZ and the congestion charge (and even parking charges, fuel duty etc.). If you can afford it, it’s ok apparently.

[@DC3Refom]

​@@frankspeakmore7104actually one person has died from that , there are people that ashma due to genetics or other reasons .

[@killernoob1000]

Its to fund TFL bus and Tubes. Khan wanted to hike the bus and tube fares during/after lockdown because the revenue was too low. So he went to government for help. And this is it, now London drivers fund, companies like Go-ahead, Stagecoach, Arriva, Abelio, Metroline along with many others. These are the companies that put in tenders to keep London buses moving subsidised by ULEZ.

[@millyrazzaq1616]

Brilliant man. Well done. ULEZ should be scrapped anyway. How dare the nayir if London rip motorists off. He should be stopped and here is at least one legal precedent, which ids what the look law is based upon. Go for the jugular and get this awful man stopped.

[@kamilianos]

this is so true. Not being a Londoner, I also got confused over the low emssions zone sings on the rare visits to London . He is right.

[@gillps5130]

Low emissions signs have been on the M1/M25 for years and for years were meaningless. As far as I am concerned they still will be.

[@mysticmarkthemagician5852]

How comes this has not been mentioned on the TV news

[@lolorick5885]

I was planning on going into central London I think around 2007, I knew about the congestion charge and started to do some research and I discovered that the congestion charge did not apply on weekends and also on street parking was free. So this is when I made my journey to avoid being charged for anything. Why is it that the ULEZ does not work the same way as the congestion charge?

[@sanacanacnac]

The air pollution at ground level has been recorded at well below the recognised safety limit - whereas air quality on the underground is something like over 4x the permissable exposure limit. That's what I read recently - a tiktocker posted with a hand held particulate monitor.

[@nockianlifter661]

Exactly right. Those signs mean nothing if you don’t know what they mean, or whether your vehicle complies. The sign could say gobbledygook because that’s all it means.

[@sanchoodell6789]

This guy should be hailed a hero!

[@darshanjayakumar2966]

being a labour supporter they have lost my vote and almost all the labour votes in my area...trying to implement this during hard times where people can't afford a new ULEZ compliant car is atrocious.

[@Joe-og6br]

The Tories forced TfL to introduce it. It was a stipulation for emergency funding during Covid that a ULEZ charge was brought in. So the Tories are being completely dishonest about something they've forced on London.

[@jonplatts7861]

Khan's own "independent" commission showed that there would only be about a 1% increase in air quality around the Ulez Zones. This is all about getting £ to prop up his failing economic plan. The worst air quality is in and around underground stations, however there has been no attempt to sort this out!!

[@timwhale9434]

Hear hear. Let's not forget, the air quality in the London Underground is proven to be over ten times worse than the official good air quality measurement of 10 on serious professional air quality measuring devices. Whereas, on the street level in the busiest of traffic at the busiest times, the same meter struggles to get over 3, indicating giid air quality. Sadist Khan is chair of the C40 group of mostly Neo-Communist Mayors of big cities around the world, so Khan is trying to demonstrate his power to the other Mayors in pushing the UN and WEF led Neo-Communist system of digitial control in the name of scientifically corrupted faux religion of climate change. Khan has to be stopped, shown the door, and thrown in the shoo marked UN WEF fraudsters.

[@shanepatrick641]

I totally agree! But the idiots in London keep voting for him! Absolute madness.

[@Gary-hj2lc]

London Underground has never done me any harm so to infer it causes harmful pollution is just more nonsensical scaremongering

[@timwhale9434]

@@Gary-hj2lc Well said. I used to use the underground network extensively over many years, and it never affected me. Of course, this further means in reality the street level air quality is even less of a problem for the people as it is over 19 times less tham down below.

[@bbrs925]

Lol I read this as ‘neo-con’ - but saw you’d said ‘neo-communist’ !!! Hahaha, as if you thing that’s what the WEF is about. What a cosnirpact theorist. Amazing, turkeys voting for Christmas. If only you understood class struggle better.. communism might actually help you.

[@eileenemmins5875]

No you’re right but it’s still 10 times more polluted than traffic

[@susan9188]

£12.50 is not a deterrent, it's saying an unsuitable vehicle can pollute if you pay! If Khan was genuinely serious and cared about people's health then he'd ban the vehicles outright and not use them as a cash cow. I live in outer London, just 200 yards from the Kent border and many carers I know have had to scrap their vehicles, use public transport instead which makes their working day, and the time they reach their clients much later. Outer London isn't like central London. Some areas have no bus service, some only one bus an hour. If anyone votes for Khan next May they must be crazy!

[@mikewilson9969]

Since Ulez came in the traffic on the roads has got crazy and closing all the side roads and putting cameras made it even worse a journey that takes 10mins is 25mins now. Stand together and march to mayors office

[@wolfiemum461]

The scary thing is that they can enforce this and send in bailiffs ect In Northern Ireland bailiffs are illegal and I believe this should be the case in the UK

[@vtechead1]

So those paying money are still chugging out fumes, and those that are compliant, are also still chugging out fumes. What’s the point ? Fumes are still being produced ! The only way to reduce fumes in London or any big city is to pedestrianise the whole city !

[@ericwilliams2317]

And bring it to a grinding halt presumably? What I don't understand though is why I'm nearly 64, and am as fit now as I ever was - despite having lived near busy roads most of my life. It's funny really, why when the air is supposedly so terrible , they allow the London Marathon to go ahead each year, don't they realise that they'll all be dead within a week!!!!

[@toonarmy8524]

Your argument is flawed, years ago there were coal fires and actual smog which was detremental to health . Even with all the cars and traffic now its nowhere near as bad as the smog days. Cars are 30 times cleaner now than 50 years ago. It has also been proven the air quality is NOT bad in London.

[@PJ-om2wq]

"what's the point?". The point is that TFL was bankrupted by Covid.

[@Gary-hj2lc]

Oh yes that'll work

[@bbrs925]

@@toonarmy8524 no… it’s been proven that air quality IS bad in London, that’s the point.

[@dh7314]

If only London had an extensive network of public transport and underground trains 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@danielelkin995]

So will they be refunding all those people that have been hit with these illegal charges? Not likely and that’s the problem with government, no accountability for their actions.

[@illavisions]

Up most respect to everyone out there cutting down the cameras

[@takeapictureitlllastlonger5768]

Over 300 cameras already removed by citizens. :)

[@DavidGirling]

This may be a silly question, but if you only get charged when caught by a camera at the edges of the zone, does that mean that provided you never leave the zone you can drive round all day every day without a charge?. Also I saw a video the other day that was about a man who bought a right rust bucket chucking out fumes all over the place and registered it with the DVLA as having Transport for London as the registered keeper so all his fines went to TfL.

[@23hublock1]

No...so it must just read the number plate and then anything after a 24 hour period pick up that number plate again and charge again. Otherwise residents would pay once and if they stayed in the zone, never pay again. So many people will quit London to move to surrounding areas outside the M25...only for ULEZ to expand more...and more....and then more. For TFL to not even make it clear that it's a charging zone says it all...they have designed it for fines - and you still have to pay the charge too on top of the fine. The revenue generated will run into billions....in a very short time. London has just been ruined...completely this time.

[@jonnyanderson2271]

There should be adverts everywhere in the UK about ULEZ 😞😕

[@Bethankful214]

Totally agree 👍

[@astorrian6247]

This is exactly the kind of ACTION that is needed in order to challenge these unwarranted money making rackets by Mayor Khan and his office. This gentleman was given a fine of £11,500 in total! Enough to break a small business or bankrupt an individual - its insane! But he didn't just moan about it, no he decided to do something constructive about it and he won the day not just for himself but potentially for other motorists. When the man in the street decides NO, enough is enough we can all benefit.

[@timbunker4529]

Also there is warning at distance ie the Dartford Bridge is signed a long way back. It tells you to exit the M25 at next junction to not be charged for crossing.

[@andreiaugustin3809]

TfL’s implementation of the ULEZ is disastrous

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Is the Mayor gonna slap another £12.50 on the London Underground. Because that must be 10x worse than the overhead. He don't mind that because your using the London public transport