London’s Ulez battle: blade runners, dinosaurs and conspiracy theories

The UK capital's ultra-low emission zone charges the drivers of more polluting road vehicles every time they enter the city. But since the Ulez was extended to the whole of London by the city's mayor, Sadiq Khan, the backlash has become increasingly ferocious.
Self-styled ‘blade runners’ are waging a campaign to cut down Ulez cameras, activists wearing inflatable dinosaur outfits track and block mobile vans and protesters regularly turn out to drive anger against the mayor and expansion of the scheme. While many protesters hold legitimate concerns about the Ulez expansion, the Guardian’s Richard Sprenger discovers that conspiracy theories are never far from the surface.
London Ulez averts more air pollution than that caused by capital’s airports, report shows
The Guardian view on London’s low emission zone: doing the right thing.
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[@malc.s.5373]

Whatever people's views on pollution, the poor are being hit again, whilst "leaders" continue to travel the world in private jets. Would be nice to see them set an example.

[@VVayVVard]

The poor... who somehow still can afford cars and gasoline. Actually poor people walk, use public transit or ride bicycles, and are not affected whatsoever.

[@mrmr4622]

The thing is, while you can kinda debate climate change, its causes and effects, the pollution is not a matter of opinion, we are objectively and explicitly polluting our air, water and soil which then gets to the food supply and affects our health.

[@Dcc-yk2lo]

Get a grip none of the people in this video are fucking poor.

[@garnhamr]

it's the wrong way to go about it

[@mral4381]

Mainstream news channels seem to tow the authoritarian line but rarely provide objective journalism.

[@debbiewright8452]

If youre rich, you can pollute, Guardian

[@mcihs2]

If you are rich you can do whatever you want, rules are for the peasants….

[@nektekket852]

And if you're educated , you might know what you're talking about. I ❤ ULEZ

[@88ST3V307]

​@@nektekket852I suppose you mean 'University' educated? Ugghhhh.. 😒

[@micksroversmg558]

@@mcihs2 Aye exactly laws are too keep rich rich and poor poorer!

[@Ministry_0f_Truth]

@@nektekket852 You probably loved diesel too, back when government said it was more eco than petrol. Authority worshipper.

[@mikesarling4002]

They say we must reduce pollution but if you pay them £12.50 you can pollute as much as you like. It’s not about pollution is it?

[@seanhubbard6033]

Google the word "disincentive"

[@VVayVVard]

The fact that people are raising noise about this means that it's effective. Which indicates that it is, in fact, about pollution. As it happens, people tend to respond to incentives, even relatively minor ones.

[@riazuddin1761]

Your comment sums it up

[@dulcettonezzz8229]

@@seanhubbard6033google the word racket

[@Luzitanium]

is the same with plastic bags, but then most of the food is under plastic packages

[@AJTrain]

ULEZ is bizarre. How my 1.2 fiesta can be charged for being too polluting but a 6.3 litre Mercedes with a modified exhaust removing all catalytic converters is fine and free to drive in London is ridiculous.

[@Dragonaut111]

You can drive a Bentley Continental GT with a twin-turbocharged, 6-litre W12 straight through London and not pick up a charge.

[@BCrossing]

It's impossible to know about modifications (between MOT checks). And engines have got better. But fair point. Maybe anyone driving alone in a car that is more polluting than a 1.2 fiesta, even if it is a brand new supercar, should pay for unnecessary extra pollution of their unnecessary 9000 litre engine

[@NickArthfael]

Not sure if it's the case in the UK but the system for the low emission zones in France is f'ed up as it is based on production year rather than actual emissions. Just to give you a bit of perspective, my 206 GTi from 1999 has the same emissions (185 g/km) as the Yaris GR from 2023 (186 g/km). So why I can't drive to any city and the Yaris can? Once again it's the middle class and below that has to pay the price.

[@Military872]

Some Doctors are driving around in Bentley Continentals, big money in the Covid jabs and Big Pharma@@BCrossing

[@Luftkuhlt964]

Or all day in a euro 6 diesel is better than 10 mins in a euro 3 petrol

[@khalidacosta7133]

Air pollution in London is not a conspiracy theory. It's a disagreement on WHO pays for the cost. The wealthy person who pollutes the most or the people close to poverty who pollutes the least. We live in a world where the wealthy can use a private jet to go right into the centre of London but a pensioner with an old, small vehicle is charged £40. See the problem now? Even at the Teddington Action Group, which Khan used the data from to oppose a third runway at Heathrow, the study showed 50% of NOx was caused by Heathrow.... 10 miles away!

[@insertnamehere5146]

The rich would happily pay more if it meant getting the poor and working class out of vehicles and on buses and bikes. This would leave the roads empty for them in their expensive cars to cruise about

[@BauregardSenior87]

The metric of " pollution " will change to fit the objectives of whichever part of the Socialist Uniparty is pretending to be in charge at that given time. For me Pollution is the smell of weed smoke, the smell of animal feaces and large airborne dust particles like sand or sawdust. For an ideological leftist, pollution is anything that is the byproduct of people having any agency of their own life, so Co2, Nitrates, dust from clothing and shoes.

[@MrGhostTube]

Poor people live in the most polluted areas so there's that. The rich own more cars. Nobody featured in this video is poor. They're conspiracy theorist headbangers mostly.

[@monipenny408]

apparently that is the price for freedom and democracy, says the govt

[@MarkeyJester]

The air quality has been checked throughout London, independently, multiple times, from its bussiest roads, to its quietest parks, it's always revealed to be worse on the London Underground, but never on the surface. In fairness, I have no idea why that is, I'm more than happy to admit my ignorance, but to outright ignore these tests and pretend it's exclusively vehicles sounds very dodgy to me. My brother theorised perhaps it is the vehicles and the emmision gasses are seeping to the lowest places in London (which happens to be the Underground), but this throws away the greenhouse theory; for if the emmisions go subsurface then they aren't rising to the atmosphere. Really the only thing I can be certain of, is being gaslit into thinking we're exclusively the problem. Until this is resolved, and perhaps the bigger players take responsibility for their own involvement, I don't think I can blindly be played for a fool.

[@nosferatut9084]

People in the UK and Ireland need to stop voting for the Major Parties or this will never stop.

[@crackthefoundation_]

Same here, in America..

[@cloudbasenirvana]

Do you really believe they are voted in - it's us and them. The Left/Right - Red/Blue - Lab/Con serve the same anti-human tyrannical puppet master.

[@telx2010]

Democracy is just an illusion.

[@lorddoosworth8175]

Need to stop voting full stop. It's two wings of the same bird. Mass non-compliance is whats needed IMO.

[@jimadam6706]

There's only 1 systems we just get to pick which one makes them the most money just in different ways

[@ricardo1e93]

Uk almost feels like china in someway. The thirst of control via cameras in insane.

[@bw1376]

It totally does when Khan is being chauffeur-driven around London in a £400k armoured Range Rover.

[@mwd331]

@@bw1376name a single senior politician that doesn’t?

[@bw1376]

@@mwd331 I remember a time when it was safe enough for Boris to cycle around London. Khan has now really has made himself an ememy of the working people that Labour are supposedly meant to represent.

[@AMPProf]

Just say I love the king the ministry is correct. And all will be forgiven! ...... wtfahhhhhh

[@1954Antony]

It won't be a social points system, it will be called Carbon Credits, but it will achieve the same objective - control.

[@tonyjennings8199]

If 95% of vehicles meet the ulez clean air standards - why have this massive expense of a camera network to monitor all the vehicles and to charge the 5% who are unable at this point in time of buying a new car? WHY???

[@cloudbasenirvana]

The enslavement of the human race - AGENDA21. EV designed to fail from day one. Once all ICE vehicles are gone the EV power network will go down and EV ends so all forced to travel on public transport - only travel to timetabled places at timetabled times and only carry what you can physically hand carry. This was all planned a very, very very, long time ago.

[@tilerman]

Just look at the money coming in from those 5%, now imagine when 100% pay, thats whats coming.

[@robbailie5878]

Because in a years time it will only be 90% once they move the goalposts.

[@_______-]

Road pricing. Pay per mile.

[@paulyflyer8154]

You really haven't been paying attention have you.

[@Beatlefan67]

If my car passed its MOT on emissions but still gets £12.50/day for this ULEZ nonsense, it makes no sense!

[@duncanbananatyne3890]

It is because your car spews out too much crap in the first place.

[@alex-E7WHU]

​@@duncanbananatyne3890 bit like your mouth then.

[@Anonymous-gf6ob]

@@duncanbananatyne3890 why let it out on the road then? My car puts out the same emmissions as an early transit van (which is a lot, more than 4x4s), but it's Ulez compliant. My dads - for reference - puts out about 1/8th less and isn't Ulez compliant. Where is the logic in this whole thing?

[@bruhbruh2290]

the pollution is worse on the london underground than the busiest road in london rushour.@@duncanbananatyne3890

[@landmark4928]

Don't dragons spit flame

[@stepchicken3238]

A Guardian 'reporter', not biased was he?

[@pauldavies6037]

Oh not much LOL

[@cabbage681]

and a DEI hire to boot.

[@Ministry_0f_Truth]

He's boosting Guardian's ESG score 😂

[@mariemccann5895]

A ripple will get exemptions from just about every motoring charge there is, so what is his interest anyway?

[@davidgardiner4720]

Ooh, someone doesn't agree with my misinformed and paranoid nonsense so they must be biased!

[@pauldurkee4764]

The Guardian really doesn't have the moral authority to comment on what ordinary people feel or do, they are not even what you would call journalists. My advice to the people of London, don't be pushed around by anyone.👍

[@rjflores438]

The Muswell Hill Mung Bean munching Middle Class Mafia doesnt care about normal people!

[@user-ce3qd4bu6p]

A more positive approach would be to plant the right type of trees and foliage which cleans the air. Many people would pay a one off contribution for this. The guardian journalist is focussing on the cars and overlooking the delivery fleets which pay £100.00 per day, which then gets passed on to the consumer. Hence paying more for less in the shops. The whole ULEZ, 20mph limit, LTN policies were not thought through by the think as far as their nose Labour politicians. Labour = high taxes

[@pauldurkee4764]

@@user-ce3qd4bu6p If you are able to identify lichens, you will find them growing all over city trees. Why lichens, they are an indicator of the air quality, where I live in a city, the trees are full of them.

[@cloudbasenirvana]

@@user-ce3qd4bu6p All part of Agenda21 - this was all planned a very long time ago

[@Monkey_slapping_keys]

The piece is fine and the journalist did a fair job, get over it.

[@johnshaw4140]

The ULEZ zone completely ignores the environmental impact of huge production of the number of new vehicles needed to replace those that already exist , completely insane

[@micksroversmg558]

But big business makes more money when small businesses goes bust and poor people have less money more debt and less jobs! You will own nothing be happy in ya 15 min zone eat zee bugs not meat world becoming a asylum as loons run it for far too long!

[@crackthefoundation_]

Also this.

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

You are missing the point. Unless those new vehicles are manufactured INSIDE LONDON and polluting LONDONs air, then they are irrelevant. But that's also beside the point, because if you believe that anybody anywhere is making one single extra car just for ULEZ London, then you have reached a spectacular level of delusion.

[@nchlspro]

How is that irrelevant? Because it's poor people in another part of the world that has to mine all the toxic materials to produce batteries? Do you know how much of the UKs electric generation uses fossil fuels? This hits the poorest everywhere.

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

About half of the power in generated from fossil fuels and only 3% from coal. 20 years go it was about 95% fossil fuels and 40% coal. Which shows which direction we are moving in. And yes your point is irrelevant, because Those materials are going to get mined anyway as part of the direction humanity is moving in. NOT because of ULEZ. NOWHERE. NOT ONE SINGLE PLACE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET is stepping up production because of ULEZ. It is happening regardless of ULEZ. But thank you. Your sheer ignorance has opened my eyes to the low level of intelligence of those protesting against ULEZ.@@nchlspro

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

ULEZ scam is obvious

[@EliteCombatProductions]

so was the vaccine one but alot of people still done it.

[@cloudbasenirvana]

@@EliteCombatProductions - On UK Govt website they called the devils spikes - "An Experimental Clinical Trial" right through the $cam until the UN/WHO change the definition of a vachz which was after most had been spiked then the UK Govt replaced all the "An Experimental Clinical Trial" quotes with vachz

[@seanhubbard6033]

I see you're also a fan of people being killed by vehicles. Cant take you seriously.

[@seanhubbard6033]

​@@EliteCombatProductionssure it was you tit

[@dadsquatch79]

It's amazing how restrictive the UK is.

[@frannyp46]

@dadssquatch. We are very law abiding, queue forming, well mannered country and the system knows this. We should learn more from our French counterparts only 20 miles away across the channel.

[@imstupidbut]

@@frannyp46bruh uk people stab each other

[@RealFemale69]

Pollution laws are the opposite of restrictive, your pollution causes disability and death, which is far more restrictive than blocking pollution

[@mactep1]

fr

[@JCTBomb]

They are going to tax you for breathing one day, and call it “unregistered air consumption” Keep up the good work friends!

[@petermiller1041]

I’m sure Ben Elton wrote a play about that in the 90’s - called Breath if I remember rightly

[@englishdavemk1]

this guy is such a wipe...but he works for the guardian so im not suprised

[@salkoharper2908]

Don't think he's ever had to drive a delivery van/lorry full of medicine, food, clothes or building materials before. These people live in such a bubble, I think they truly believe every 'White Van Man' could do all his deliveries on a Lime Bike or some other dippy nonsense. They live in La La Land.

[@yeetyeet7070]

London has more cameras than Beijing.

[@jjr1728]

And yet ethnics are exponentially stsbbing each other over postcode wars.

[@lenmarfox2947]

That's correct we're the most watched country in the Western World.

[@Crimson34533]

...and more crime!

[@yeetyeet7070]

@@Crimson34533 especially white collar lol

[@weepz]

ULEZ does not stop old polluting cars driving through London, if this was really about air pollution they would be banned outright, no questions asked.

[@joeysplats3209]

If they were really serious they'd ban all the bloviating politicians and worthless bureaucrats. Instead they attack the poor and middle-class, making them yet more dependent on worthless, bloviating puddles of loose dookie.

[@Dcc-yk2lo]

Whats it about then mate?

[@weepz]

@@Dcc-yk2lo how to extract the most amount of money fron hard working people, without directly telling them, we as a government need as much money as possible so you are unable to live your life's comfortably.

[@Dark_Bandon]

But then how would the rich Tory voters be able to drive around their expensive cars? Just look at Nick living in his leafy suburb surrounded by greenery. If he had to live in some sh!thole flat in the center of London he'd be too poor to stand around on the streets all day complaining about a car he cannot afford to own.

[@BauregardSenior87]

None of it's been about pollution, pollution is just the brand name of a socialist super power currently running our government.

[@rjprivate]

We need David Attenborough to narrate the dinosaur humping 😂

[@gullfaks]

It’s good to see the people take action…

[@richbrice3299]

You can tell this guy works for the Guardian. He is so patronising! Air quality has improved in London as vehicles have become cleaner. Scrapping a million MOtable cars is not environmentally sound. I'm guessing you're not affected by this. Wake up Mr Guardian.

[@A190xx]

I suspect this is the furthest he has been from central London and he is probably upset that the comments do not support his narrative.

[@Super-id7bq]

There's nothing patronising about debating an issue with a delusional muppet who can't grasp the very simple concept that Co2 trapped in ice gets released by the man made warming of the planet through pollutants and greenhouse gasses. Took the dude all of 2 minutes to start going on about fifteen minute cities. If you don't want to be talked to like you're an idiot, grow up and stop being an idiot.

[@seanhubbard6033]

What's your science qualification?

[@user-fe1gb9uc1t]

@@A190xx i suspect you were raised by apes, but that doesn't make it true ..

[@Clembo]

​@seanhubbard6033 appeal to expertise. Cannot argue a point. Never went to a Critical Thinking class himself 😂.

[@MilesBellas]

NOBODY VOTED FOR SUNAK AS PM NOBODY

[@sassythesasquatch4425]

U sound like a moron. You dont vote for any prime minister, they get voted by the party and the party will appoint a representative. Lol. You vote for the party which votes for the pm.

[@Kiev-en-3-jours]

You voted for Brexit, you got it. You are on your own now.

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

Though I agree with the sentiment, nobody actually votes for the PM at all, its a technicality but an important one.

[@MilesBellas]

@@jhfdhgvnbjm75 People vote for the leader not the party. Compare Starmer to Corbyn.

[@Rosskles]

​@@jhfdhgvnbjm75 It's a pedantic one.

[@liamharis9246]

This isn’t about air pollution it’s about making money if it was about air pollution they would ban it END OF imagine if everyone paid £12.50 problem of air pollution would still not be solved but financially they have gained

[@seanhubbard6033]

If they banned it entirely you already quite insane ULEZ protestors would go absolutely nuts.

[@whocares264]

If everyone had an ev there would not be a problem.

[@bulletmog]

@@whocares264 right- are you going to start giving out free EVs?

[@rennerbike5022]

finally people waking up and taking action👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@FreFa-ch]

The problem is the governement allowing the sale of certain vehicles and after a few years banning them from the roads due to their harmful emissions. If those cars were not compliant with emission laws, they shouldn't have been sold in the first place. If they were compliant, they should be allowed on the road until the end of their life cycle.

[@evanfinch4987]

this guys got it all figured out! considered all possible cause and effect and nailed er down with such confidence

[@BauregardSenior87]

90% of the emissions laws shouldn't have existed in the first place. No one has been able to justify it without cherry picked, amended/fixed data or reciting the experts funded to agree with the government.

[@andysedgley]

And think of the waste and emissions involved in dumping serviceable vehicles and replacing them with new. It's scandalous.

[@patrickbass9957]

I take it that EURO 6 for diesels is the main problem

[@SheilaTitchener]

the government should buy them back!

[@trevorbryan9268]

Ulez is making mega money. People struggling are having debt collectors coming to their place. Shoplifting and crime is going up wonder why.

[@ebbeb9827]

because of 13 years of conservative government leaving our productivity, wages, and public services in the dump

[@mildlydispleased3221]

Good, the Tories have underfunded London for too long, all of the ULEZ money is to be reinvested in TfL. If you're selfish enough to drive a car like that, you deserve to pay the fine.

[@88ST3V307]

​@ebbeb9827 the conservatives in power at the moment are doing everything from a Left Wing standpoint

[@maverick5039]

@@ebbeb9827you forgot the big elephant staring these people in the faces ie BREXIT!!!

[@danielgoring1328]

@@maverick5039 The problem is Sadiq Khan. He forced through the ULEZ expansion as a tax on the poor using 'save the climate' as an excuse for it. Nothing to do with Tory's or Brexit.

[@k7y]

didn't knew Guardian was state controlled like the BBC

[@joebloggs9719]

As always the ivory tower guardian journalists are totally out of touch with the normal working public

[@rickdecko1096]

Why are the rich kids who run the guardian so hateful of the working class. The guardian is a example of every thing wrong today.

[@robertcoombes5444]

They just hate people who have to work for a living that's the guardian

[@janwhite6038]

It's because they are isolated, unaware and unable to think critically

[@macchiatomachiato]

the despicable liberal elite paper that despises the english working class

[@sbor2020]

The Guardian has been publishing for 203 years, so you shouldn't be short of several examples of how it is *_hateful of the working class_* . So go on examples ...

[@Ministry_0f_Truth]

Also, concerned about nitrogen oxides, when it was the almighty government years ago who told people to buy diesel instead of petrol. Every sane person already knew back then that diesels were much dirtier because of their high NOx emissions. But "intelligent" government did only care about CO2. Diesels produce less CO2, so hey, tell everyone to buy diesel! Toxic NOx don't matter. Well.. didn't matter until now.

[@akatheking82]

more dangerous particles in the underground...

[@garry226]

There’s no warning signs on any tube station , in 30 different languages to let the people of the world know that you are entering a highly populated area, that kids ride use to ride to school every day, no mention of that , The share holders wouldn’t Approve of such action!!! Money Greed corruption and lies.

[@JoeBlowUK]

If they were REALLY worried about air quality, why aren't they tackling the worst place... in the tube stations!

[@garry226]

Money!! Shareholders wouldn’t approve!!!

[@grifda]

While those that make the rules with the global 2030 cities fly in their private jets eating steak telling us we need to cut our CO2 emissions. Blade runners are the real heroes.

[@goclunker]

To add to your comment: aviation is completely unregulated and the BIGGEST polluter, but that is all swept under the rug

[@maxmaritime1206]

I see comments are being pre-moderated...whats the matter Guardian...afraid of real debate?

[@jakereevesward4562]

You seriously can't be that dim-witted if you think it's the Guardian, and not - I dunno - KZbin.

[@maxmaritime1206]

@@jakereevesward4562 It is the Guardian's YT channel, they have the option of pre-modding comments before publication or did you not know that? BTW, why the personal insult...? Always seems to be an insult and never the issue with many on the hard left.

[@stephnewman1357]

Yeah because let's not forget it's the "wokes" who silence everyone but not the likes of David Icke, UK Column, GB News and Farage though eh!!! Remember to keep living in the matrix under the chemtrail sky whilst zapped by 5g and using technology 😂

[@jakereevesward4562]

@@maxmaritime1206 You love straw clutching don't you, hard left lol - and no it's more likely youtube moderating it, as they have a tendency of doing that. If it was the comment section on the guardian website then fair enough.

[@shia_labeouf]

If you expect "real debate" in a KZbin comment section you are gonna be sorely disappointed.

[@lemdixon01]

reducing airpollution is the cover story to stop private car ownership. As the world economic Forum says ''you will own nothing and be happy''.

[@Unclenedi]

Too accurate ☝🏻

[@lemdixon01]

@@ninja-theory because its a bit like communism and the Communist leaders lived in luxury at the expense of the people suffering.

[@fredgarvinMP]

​@@ninja-theoryThey've got plenty of ways to make money.

[@tylerdodmusic423]

Then explain the scientific evidence that high air pollution in cities is responsible for 43 percent of lung cancer cases? I think you are just pedalling a conspiracy backed up by no real evidence.

[@QiuEnnan]

When did the WEF ever say that. And how does this stop private car ownership if 95 per cent of motor vehicles are compliant.

[@petercollingwood522]

London needs more Blade runner units. They're doing a great job. Well done.

[@heyabusa1]

Indeed they are.

[@davidcouzens]

Until you realise they are achieving little. Tax payers money will be used to replace the cameras they cut down, hurting "the little guy" even further. There is an argument they have been brainwashed by GB News and The Daily Mail its believing breathing clean air is a bad thing. If they really feel the need to do this stuff, they would be better to put a sticker on the cameras, rather than cut then down.

[@PerilousPaddy]

In a MOT the output of a passing car is 0.3 and after fitting s new catalytic converter my car puts out 0.02 which should exempt me from the zone charge however my car is not classed as classic despite being built over 30 years ago! I can't afford to change it even with the scrappage scheme.

[@musicbruv]

Buy a compliant car, in a few years the goal post will be moved and that car will no longer be compliant.

[@NUFCOfficial]

It's funny that the so-called Liberals are happy for there to be cameras everywhere checking if your car complies with something because it's in the name of the environment. If it was a different excuse or a party they didn't like doing this they would shout tyranny and fascism.

[@TheotherTempestfox]

Most people can't just buy a new car on a whim anyway.

[@stephenporter6005]

Musicbruv like when they told everyone to buy a diesel car

[@brendanroberts4866]

the nthe insurers triple insurance too - its why i left UK to live in 3rd world - far better off and decent weather too

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

These are the new turnpikes, not that the guardian would remember anything about those.

[@pauldurkee4764]

There was a rebellion in Wales against unjust tolls for travelling the highway, the Rebecca Riots in the 1840s. Men dressed as women smashed and burnt toll booths.

[@sunraiii]

According to WTW, about 40% of all people in the UK already live paycheck to paycheck. It's safe to assume that many of these households own older, less environmentally friendly, but cheaper vehicles. So why tax the poor and risk higher rates of homelessness?

[@nicholaspostlethwaite9554]

Anyone that can afford to buy, tax, fuel, insure, a car is rich. The poor do not move about so wantonly as they use public transport.

[@nydabeats]

The last quote said "95% of all vehicles seen driving across London on an average day now meet the ulez clean air standards". Then why is it still necessary?

[@mplewp]

Lowering speeds also increases pollution lol

[@Ministry_0f_Truth]

As well as having fat heavy passengers.

[@SheilaTitchener]

they're too thick to know that!

[@seanhubbard6033]

No it doesn't.

[@janwhite6038]

Surprisingly few snowdrops on the lane in Wales that looked white, as if with a snowfall, last year. I'm wondering if it's the 20mph policy that's reduced these flowers.

[@clivebrackstone1896]

Sean yes it does dumb ass for cryn out loud 😂😂😂

[@Pitstershedder7517]

We the most watched country in the world begin controlled

[@billienomates1606]

I used to travel from the M25 to central london on night shift for a number of year's to work, but if ulez had been operating then I would not have been able to afford the charges and would have had to look elsewhere. But where would I have looked, the simple answer is no where because I would still have to pay the outer london ulez charge of £12.50 everyday and for what work I could get it would not have been worth working. Something needs to change with the political elite and their tyrannical ways.

[@stevewiles7132]

How are the new all electric buses going? keeping passengers warm are they?

[@andrewbravery5114]

I'm up for the dinosaur costume part!

[@raquetdude]

On 15 minute cities… they existed before they were called villages… vast majority of people want to be able to walk to get groceries or see a doctor. The restrictions about not leaving the area are insane and have no relationship to anything aside from articles that reference their own articles.

[@vegan_victory]

Go vegan. 🌱💪

[@Apexbossman]

I don't want to be trapped in my city forever sorry

[@G-ra-ha-m]

The WEF articles are theories are they?

[@stephenbrown4211]

Look at videos of Davos meetings that MSM won’t report. Go on I dare you

[@ChrisWalker-fq7kf]

But notice that these proposals talk about not just living but working within 15 minutes of your home. It's a small step from that to penalising people who have long commutes to "encourage" them to work locally. And bear in mind people often live away from their place of work because they can't afford to live closer.

[@MF22525]

It’s really comforting to see that so many people are willing to push back against tyranny. If we let this kind of thing slide, where would we be in 50 years? A century? They’d probably be taxing us for the air we breathe.

[@colinmartin2921]

The problem with getting rid of Khan is the population density in Central London, which trumps the lower density outer area, where nobody votes for him. Why was the Mayor given jurisdiction over the whole of the M25 area? You cannot blame people for protesting.

[@cloudbasenirvana]

UN/WEF - Khan is nothing but a (placed not voted in) F!$T PUPP£T for the C4B4L.

[@matchbox6597]

More chance of suffering a mugging or worse than air pollution in London

[@SheilaTitchener]

more chance of dieing from a certain medical intervention.

[@arkoudakafe]

Bring all the cameras down👏👏👏

[@davidvernon5798]

Make no mistake, this IS about movenent control, and its just the thin edge of the wedge.

[@nvelsen1975]

Please explain how driving a 1980's scam-van scamming people while poisoning 3 countries, contributes to your freedom? Be sure to include how you pay € 25 BILLION a year MINIMUM because that's just the Dutch cost resulting of LOndon's extreme pollution. Can you justify it, or are you just a selfish scammer who wants to increase his profits by not paying the costs of what he does?

[@YouTubeisOligarchy]

We all know who the Guardian guards, and it ain't the little guy! 🎶 "Big Brother getting stomped in Airstrip 1!"🎶

[@jackster285]

Ultra low emission zones today, no emission zones tomorrow. That's where this is going. It's just setting the stage for when petrol, diesel and even hybrid vehicles are banned from the roads.

[@aspanon1560]

sounds great!

[@treeaboo]

I mean yes, that would be the end goal eventually and that is the correct move (likely with exceptions for off-road vehicles). How you go about implementing that is where the issues have arisen.

[@johnshaw4140]

@@aspanon1560 sounds great if you happen to have enough money to buy an electric car and charge it at home , doesn't sound so great if you can only afford a 1500 pound car and live in a tower block

[@aspanon1560]

can get quite a few bicycles for 1500 quid@@johnshaw4140

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

Yes and? You talk as if this is some secret conspiracy. It isn't secret. The deadline for ZERO Internal combustion cars sales has already been set.

[@abc33944]

Gov just needs leave people alone ... thats what this is all about

[@stephnewman1357]

Go live in the woods or join a religious cult where they do live off grid out of the matrix...

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

Indeed. Those schools, roads, hospitals etc. forced upon us by those EVIL government needs to stop. Lets go back to living like animals with each person beholden to themselves and in constant fear of attack. Look to the failed states of the world. If you truly believe that is a better lifestyle then GO. Nothing to stop you joining those Utopias of freedom.

[@ronnieg6358]

A greater number of drivers are NOT changing to electric vehicles. The whole idea is going belly up !

[@bw1376]

We're currently seeing a massive decline in new sales, used prices and overall interest in them here in the UK.

[@trainman86trainstramsandmore]

because those drivers that didn't aren't thick as f*** 1. Electric cars are way too expensive to buy 2. they have a much lower lifespan than a petrol or dieel because they use BATTERIES 3. they are very bad for the planet to manufacture (mining the batteries, shipping etc) 4. because of their short lifepsan, they will get scrapped quicker and most parts have to go to landfill because they are not reusable 5. they can be written off MUCH easier

[@sedwarg]

Who wants electric vehicles? Car manufacturers and car brains. We need fewer cars on the road, not EVs.

[@w3w3w3]

on your bike then mate...@@sedwarg

[@sedwarg]

Yes that's rather the point isn't it. And I will enjoy not being charged £12, not getting to work with a raging temper, not sitting in traffic, not ruining the city for others. Glad you get it.@@w3w3w3

[@eiliannoyes5212]

Very bad doc, narrow angled. The meter inside the car is the cherry.

[@simoncollins6529]

People are sick to death of the constant surveillance and constant taxation.

[@stephnewman1357]

We'll go and live off grid as plenty of people do. Or go find a religious cult and join up with them as plenty of people do. Freeman of the land....

[@olivere5497]

... so why does this irk them, but they cared so little about the illegal iraq invasion or government spending cuts or the construction of the millenium dome??

[@1eltino]

I love seeing ulez cameras that have blown down in the wind 😂

[@MilesBellas]

Natual freedom has returned.

[@BrainfromSpain]

If they were worried about NOX emissions take a look at Copenhagen buses! a member of London assembly got it right when he said "It's like banning smoking in a pub unless you buy your cigarettes from me!"

[@RealFemale69]

What about busses? Sure 1 bus causes more pollution than a car, but without that bus 50 people would be driving cars which causes far more pollution

[@Sebastian-pc1qf]

The camras are all joined to a main computer, so it also a tracking device and can follow you . Big brother next expansion.

[@peterstanbury3833]

The real absurdity of ULEZ, in terms of the pollution claim, is that it covers leafy villages like Hawley's Corner in the North Downs that have little traffic, purely because it is inside Greater London, yet places like Epsom and Ewell that have FAR more traffic and are much closer to central London are excluded because they are not in Greater London. It is farcical that some quiet country village on the Downs gets ULEZ solely because it is inside a certain administrative area.

[@nvelsen1975]

All that trash does end up floating to Belgium and the Netherlands regardless, so why shouldn't it be taxed?

[@sedwarg]

"The stupid thing about the UK's agricultural policies is that they only subsidise people in the UK when others in Africa and South America struggle to put food on the table." Er yes, that is how borders and governance works. Genius!

[@mrhappyendland]

One person dead from pollution in London (per death certificate) since Sadiq took charge. 1000 murders in the same period. Guess which one Sadiq took action on?

[@monipenny408]

there is no money in pursuing murderers, no profit in it....ULEZ on the hand, kerching! rent seeking profit, simply install some cameras, and you get millions each month!! that is good money for doing very little.

[@pauldavies6037]

yes those are the real figures

[@simonh6371]

Must be more than 1,000 I reckon. Isn't it more than that each year? Like 3 a day on average?

[@Super-id7bq]

Sure and I've got some tartan paint to sell you and the 31 uneducated dorks who liked your comment. 3,600 to 4,100 Londoners die to pollutant related deaths in a year so what are you on about? And if you seriously think zero action has been taken against murders I don't know what to tell you other than to stop watching Rumble and touch grass.

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

It's around 9,400 deaths per year. With an additional £3 BILLION in extra spending required by the NHS to deal with other health effects of air pollution.@@simonh6371

[@jonthecont]

As a firefighter in Devon, I'm disgusted the fire service are going out to remove a bin from one! To be sent 9 hours after an old lady had been pushed to the ground in her home and left in a pile of piss and blood while we slept on station infuriates me that another service will agree to go to that!

[@zoidberg444]

The Guardian are scared because they have no power over the narrative any more. 😂

[@samcad-ho3ze]

It’s a total joke of a newspaper now. The fact it employs Owen Jones is all you need to know.

[@frdsg8350]

their ilk run the civil service and the courts.

[@freedomcontrolled6190]

Blade runners are the modern day Robin hoods of England 👍👌

[@simoncollins6529]

God bless the BladeRunners

[@oo0Spyder0oo]

The mayor, the pm and anyone given the job of running a town or country is meant to represent the people, not run along with their own schemes against their wishes.

[@cabbage681]

Go blade runners, thank you for all the hard work👍

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

5:02 and it's not like a politician has ever lied, have they? 10:30 nice underhand way to discredit and cast doubt, that was really well edited. 10/10

[@radiocrash]

Respect to the blade runners.

[@andyo1737]

You can get arrested for that.

[@radiocrash]

@@andyo1737 no you can’t

[@D00LEY356]

@@radiocrashYou can’t be arrested for destroying municipal property?

[@radiocrash]

@@D00LEY356yes you can

[@andyo1737]

@@radiocrash Not far off it though. If it was obvious you couldn't, you probably wouldn't have felt the need to write that seriously.

[@penburger]

You take a job enforcing this you gotta be prepared for the odd brick

[@penburger]

Just like being a traffic warden means nobody will ever like you

[@salkoharper2908]

Exactly. If you want to be a hired goon, working for corrupt politicians. You can't be mad when the locals hate your guts.

[@I_hunt_lolis]

"Your shitty 2.0 diesel pollutes too much" meanwhile celebrities are taking with private jets flights instead of driving for 20 minutes with their cars

[@MadBiker-vj5qj]

10:30 measuring particulate pollution from inside a sealed vehicle with filtered ventilation!?!?!? The results will be meaningless.

[@mcfrosty8739]

jesus wept.. if you think a flimsy bit of paper (which is what a cabin or intake filter is) will make any difference to the air quality inside then god help you. Why do you think when you get behind an old, smoky car you can smell it?.....

[@BauregardSenior87]

Measuring pollutant particles in general will be useless as the metric for measurement will change to fit whatever objectives the socialist ToryLabourDemGreen party has.

[@Cornz38]

No, you cant because most modern cars have HEPA filters. The only thing your comment shows is that either A: you own a 20 year old vehicle or B: you've never had it changed.@@mcfrosty8739

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

​@@mcfrosty8739be honest, how often are you behind an old smokey vehicle that you can actually smell? I would say it's very rare these days compared to 30 odd years ago when it was common. Why isn't the MOT used to measure emissions and the vehicles rated on that?

[@mcfrosty8739]

@@Google_Does_Evil_Now I'm sat here trying to understand why you've taken a snippet of my comment where I was trying to put something in to context in to some blown up thing haha yes it is rare but also does happen every so often and also they do test emissions but MOT's are once every year.. A lot of things can happen within that time span.. And cars aren't measured equally, a G reg Escort would never pass a Euro 6 level test which is what a brand new car would be tested to. Please, use brain

[@silverglen5632]

We get more pollution from car tyres than what you get from the modern combustion engine car engines. Please can someone take a note of this.

[@BauregardSenior87]

Let's ban rubber wheels, combustion cars, certain types of EV's and we'll all roll on rails built into the road that charge us as we drive. Or.... we can accept that nothing in life is perfect, cities will be less clean than the countryside, farms will smell different to the ocean, biomass hydrocarbon is the most efficient and readily usable energy source on the planet and batteries will always be behind and always be more dangerous and using anything, clothes, shoes, cars, tyres, AC, window cleaner, toothpaste, will have an affect downstream of our own habitats.

[@andysedgley]

Source?

[@JonM-ts7os]

Guardians scummy reporting tactics

[@lordcharfield4529]

Guardian. We all know how it works. We’ve seen the script many times……”we have no plans” becomes actuality in increments. Your patronising, bourgeois reporter is obviously defending the establishment, as the Guardian generally does these days!

[@A190xx]

3.7 million cars drive in London every day. In November 2022, the Mayor's office says 90% were compliant before and now this is 96.4%. This suggests 236,800 working and serviceable have either been scrapped or continue to be driven elsewhere. Also, the Mayor's report shows the expanded scheme might achieve a negligible 1.3% reduction increasing the life of an average Londoner by 13 minutes. The previous scheme expected a reduction of 37%, but the results showed a 3% reduction (on report suggests 20%), but air quality is improving annually across the UK due to other measures, such as improved car technology, so it is impossible to attribute the reductions to ULEZ.

[@jonathantatler]

If they were genuinely trying to reduce pollution then maybe some kind of regulation around the aeroplanes instead of penalising the cars traveling past the airports? It's only about the revenue generation $$$

[@MrGhostTube]

From the University of Bath: "Cleaner air in the city brought about by the LEZ contributed to a 4.5% reduction in long-term health problems and an 8% decrease in respiratory issues like asthma and bronchitis. Furthermore, it concludes that the LEZ and ULEZ have helped to generate cost savings of over £963 million in Greater London." Which is probably more reliable than the University of BS here.

[@monipenny408]

these figures are totally pointless, it was never about pollution and more about raking in as much profit as possible.

[@ChrisWalker-fq7kf]

At one point the journalist claims that ULEZ helps with climate change. It doesn't. The emissions in question are not CO2 but other directly toxic gasses which are produced in much smaller quantities and do not contribute to global warming. It's really important to understand this fundamental difference. In fact replacing dirty diesels with cleaner petrol vehicles will increase CO2 output because diesel engines are more efficient and therefore emit less CO2. ULEZ is not a bad idea. We all want less toxic pollution. But the interviewee is right when he says that the effect of ULEZ is marginal and hit's the poor hardest. That's the problem. Khan rushed this through because he wanted it to be his "legacy" without properly consulting with people. He arrogantly assumed that Labour owned London so he could do whatever he likes. Given the current state of the Tory party he will get away with this. But he has created a lot of angry people in the process.

[@bramak6784]

NOx, NO2 are GHG, and in fact hard the environment and cause man-made climate crisis. ULEZ regards all emissions coming out of combustion engines, not only NOx.

[@ChrisWalker-fq7kf]

@bramak6784 ULEZ does not apply to all emissions from combustion engines because it doesn't apply to CO2, which is the main cause of global warming. CO2 is an inevitable product of combustion of fossil fuels - it is where almost all the carbon in the fuel ends up. Other emissions are byproducts of combustion and are produced in relatively tiny quantities (miligrams per km vs grams per km for CO2). However, unlike CO2 they are directly toxic to humans and the environment so even very small amounts are a problem. This is what ULEZ regulates, its aim is not to tackle climate change and we must not mix the two things up. N0x gasses can indirectly cause global warming (by producing ozone) but the quantities produced by cars mean this effect is negligible. Certainly it will be less than the warming effect cause by people switching from diesel to petrol cars which produce more CO2.

[@VVayVVard]

The point is to increase travel by foot, bicycle or public transit. Which will reduce CO2 in addition to gerontogenic by-products of incomplete combustion such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, small particulates and such. It's a necessary policy that is long overdue. He is commendable for being courageous enough to push the shift despite the friction. Nobody has the right to spread toxic compounds in the air, especially in densely populated areas.

[@ChrisWalker-fq7kf]

Sure, but we are talking specifically about ULEZ here. This targets a small proportion of car users with punitive charges. They are not trying to justify this as a way to reduce traffic (if they were then other car users would have a right to be worried that they would be next in the firing line). It's aim is to reduce toxic pollution by removing the most polluting private vehicles from the roads. This is a worthy aim. But the reduction in emissions is likely to be extremely small (maybe two or three percent). That's not even measurable. Khan cannot seriously portray this as an urgent measure. He should have taken time to consult more widely on this proposal. It was only the byelection defeat that forced him to increase the scrappage payments, he would have known that this was an issue if he had actually listened to the people of outer London. Ditto the £12.50 per day charge which is far too high and makes it look like a cynical money-making scheme. But Khan wanted to rush this through before the election.

[@jjr1728]

​@VVayVVard no. Only sportsball fans and inner city urban 'yoof' should be forced to walk or catch public transport. Also those poor people dogs Staffordshire bull terriers they tend to be ugly people that have those dogs

[@mujz12]

they say threatening behaviour is unacceptable but there threatening the people driving by making them pay ulez or the fine will keep increasing so who's really threatening who

[@nicholaspostlethwaite9554]

So stop breaking the law it is not difficult. Then you will not get a fine. Punishments for breaking laws is not threatening behaviour. Want laws changed? Vote for politicians who will do it. Warning there are few who are anti ULEZ, most want cleaner air cleaner rivers etc. and in London do not ever drive there.

[@andrewgowing9815]

It's about money and power/control. If we wanted to be really cynical, Khan would be delighted to have nothing BUT 'polluting' vehicles entering the ULEZ zone and each driver paying £12.50 per day...

[@mondem8756]

Agenda 2030, Agenda 2050

[@cloudbasenirvana]

Don't forget *_Agenda 2063_* - the rewilding of Africa, 54 african countries merged into a single sovereignless state by 2063. The population to mobilsed into resettlent zones. The UN allocated resettlement zones being UK. EU, USA. Africa to be a rather large safari park for the C4B4L and it's big game hunters, like old king $au$ag£ f!ng£r$.

[@seanhubbard6033]

Agenda grow a brain cell?

[@mondem8756]

@@seanhubbard6033 denial denial... It is easier to believe a lie that one has heard a thousand times than to believe a fact that one has never heard before. Robert Lynd

[@Cartoonman154]

@@seanhubbard6033 Anymore booting licking you might get cherry blossom poisoning.

[@seanhubbard6033]

@@mondem8756 It's easier to believe a conspiracy theory than actually undertake the effort to truly understand things going on. - Me.

[@justinrice8509]

This reporter, is a pretty naive chap!

[@wormwood6424]

If gov was so worried about cc they would have started with electrifying all public transport and made public transport more affordable.

[@Interdiction]

I hope the blade runners idea catches on and we get copy cats up north .

[@Coldfin9er]

Thought KZbin content makers had to declare sponsored content? This rather blinkered reporter is likely sponsored by TFL or Khan.

[@johnathandaviddunster38]

When i see king Charles, the crime minister and the houses of conmens using buses on a daily basis i will as well or if buses and the tube cost 25 pence a trip ...

[@tilerman]

The Mayor has 'ruled out pay per mile', yes, he did say that, but that doesn't mean he won't bring in pay per half mile or pay per 2 miles. It's all in the wording and boy can Khan and TFL twist words.

[@bw1376]

While he is chauffeur-driven around London in a £400k armoured Range Rover.

[@tilerman]

@@bw1376 He has to have some one drive him around as he's so small he can't reach the pedals.

[@bw1376]

@@tilerman Perhaps he should be forced to use the dirty crowded Underground that he is so keen to push people into using.

[@plasticwrapcharlie]

This issue doesn't affect me directly, I am not English nor do I live there, but it really honestly gets tiresome when the solution to public health problems and the like is to tax the average person and heap financial disincentives on average people instead of asking the corporate giants to shoulder the responsibility. Like tobacco and sugar taxes, it has (partially) achieved the desired effect only while dealing heavy financial injuries to the addicted, i.e. people who cannot make the choice to change or have extreme difficulty in doing so. Instead of barring the import of large German and American petrol-fueled vehicles or assigning large penalties to importers and dealers who traffick in such vehicles, instead of heaping financial disincentives on oil companies, the governors know that those powerful entities will engage in a drawn-out, expensive struggle against those measures which will also be hidden in large part from the media. Alternatively, they could tax the ever-living piss out of average citizens knowing they haven't got the means, time, or organization to resist through official channels, meaning they have to engage in extralegal resistance, and we have to be tough on crime, don't we? Today they're cutting down cameras, tomorrow they'll be setting fire to the houses of Parliament, right? And another thing, I'm as disgusted by climate change/global warming deniers as most Guardian readers, but you have to admit Nick's got a point there. The guys up top, from the MPs to BP to the BBC, have been knee deep in so much shady shit so many times that skepticism is the intelligent approach. The public's trust in authority figures is eroded, and reasonably so. They don't need to have a formal conspiracy, they don't need a villain's board meeting like in some comic book. They have all gone to school together, learning the same shit from the same people for hundreds of years or longer, and so they all have the same goals and principles, to consolidate wealth and have an exclusive club AND YOU AIN'T IN IT, and if it all possible they're gonna find a way to make the little guy either build it or clean it or pay for it. Anyone who blindly trusts authority figures is either stupid, naïve, or is burying their head in the sand because the truth is just too much to bear.

[@garry226]

Well said.

[@mattharvey515]

Conspiracy Theory = something which will soon become an accepted fact

[@Ed.E]

been saying for 40 years climate change is a myth but look at our weather

[@hotelmario510]

That's not the generally accepted definition of a conspiracy theory

[@e33d90]

@@hotelmario510 he didnt say it was the definition

[@jec_ecart]

No. Ulez itself is the Conspiracy.

[@bluesky4733]

Can they please start ripping speed cameras down as well

[@seanprice7645]

huge respect to these people. imagine if everyone was a pushover, completely trusting of the government. we would be walked all over. these men and women are the checks and balances of society at work. keep strong brothers and sisters across the pond.

[@andysedgley]

I live on a narrow street with no off-street parking. Unless an electric car can be charged in 5 minutes, I can't plug in at home without running an extension cable to wherever I can get parked, so how do I get away from ICE?

[@peglor]

Simple (According to them) - just buy a house with proper parking. I'm surprised you didn't think of it yourself 😛.

[@sammydemon666]

Maybe don't buy a house built for 19th century peasants?

[@mactep1]

@@sammydemon666 and do you reckon he should do that?

[@Bomberman66Hell]

​@@sammydemon666Like most houses in London?

[@Yournotwokem]

@@sammydemon666your some posh freak probably from a village near cornwall.

[@coolbreez773]

Heathrow is London's biggest polluter. The average areoplane uses as much fuel on take off as the average motorist does in one year! No ULEZ for aeroplanes though!

[@mildlydispleased3221]

Surely you aren't this stupid, are you?

[@Garfie489]

Mayors office has no control over Heathrow.

[@billyponsonby]

Lots of ULEZ equivalents in aviation including taxation.

[@coolbreez773]

He does. Heathrow is part of his mandate! @@Garfie489

[@coolbreez773]

Responses deleted , why? How? @@Garfie489

[@sandpiperuk]

I've worked in air quality for 45 years and this expansion of the ULEZ to rural Greater London will not make a measurable difference to air quality. QED.

[@robertperring4194]

This has nothing to do with pollution and everything to do with Tfl nearly going bankrupt during Covid. It is obliged to recover the money. The shameful thing is they are going for the poorest people. I support all those involved in the civil disobedience and hope they elect someone who will remove these monstrosities.

[@kieranb7047]

People always say real poor people can't afford to drive so ulez doesn't affect them. But those people are thick. Things like ulez keep poor people poor. Constant taxing and fees demotivate people from bothering to work hard because the harder you work to better yourself, the more punished you feel. Imagine grafting to find a job and then realising in order to maintain that job you need to buy a car that's going to take a quarter of your wage to maintain and run, then you lose your benefits so have to start paying your council tax and rent out of those wages. By the end of each month, you are tired, stressed, have no time for yourself and are absolutely skint. Where is the incentive for people to work hard when they can sit at home with less stress and have their bills paid through benefits. The system is a joke and it's designed to keep people in their place and stop us from ever achieving financial freedom. People like khan have the personalities of domestic abusers. They know they are not fit to be leaders and don't have the ability to inspire others or lead by example so they maintain control through lying, gaslighting and emotionally draining people so they don't have the energy to fight back. A lot of successful people have the same narcissistic mindset and that's why they achieve positions of power. Defiance is the only way to stop people like khan. Blade runners are humiliating him and making people see how weak he really is and how the people have the real power to decide how we live. We need more Roobin Hoods in the world.

[@Kizron_Kizronson]

And yet those same people, like you. Are happy to whine about the ones that DID work harder, that DID better themselves. Living proof that what you claim is just BS.

[@kieranb7047]

@@Kizron_Kizronson were exactly have a moaned about people who work hard?

[@quantisedspace7047]

Fifteen-minute cities? You can't go outside that 15-minute boundary ? Where!on earth did /that/ come from ?

[@A190xx]

A 15 minute drive in London is about 1 mile.

[@schtormm]

conspiracy theories, they saw some things from councils, some thinktanks and some cities about that style of urbanism and they took it to the extreme, mixing it with other theories like "agenda 2030" and the theories about Covid

[@r3dp1ll]

The WEF

[@tommyze]

These systems are ridiculous. In Barcelona exists the same scheme "ZBE" . It strikes me as a ridiculous scheme. Rather than target the vehicles belonging to people who, for one reason or another, perhaps can't afford an upgrade to a new car. Why not target those driving around in ridiculously large 4x4s by themselves; this is surely far more detrimental to the environment. Is it not also more environmentally frinedly to maintain an old car rather than just churn new cars off the production line? Why not charge everyone a smaller standard fee- 1 Pound per day? This would surely be fairer than just charging one group of people an extornionate amount of money

[@Zoco101]

Hypocritically, London allows big black diesel cabs to contine functioning with no charge. They may continue until they are 12 years old. So ditch your efficient petrol car that doesn't quite pass the requirement, and when you are desperate to get somewhere, ride in an old diesel cab instead. This is the message.