3 REASONS WHY We Have Madhabs | Ep. 2 | Debunking Madhab Myths with Dr. Shadee Elmasry

Episode 2: Why do we need Madhabs? This video answers questions regarding the 3 reasons why we need them.
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[@irslan3469]

Beautiful lesson. This discussion is central to the identity of Ahl al-Sunnah, and these videos will greatly influence the normative discourse in the West on the practice of Islam.

[@akram5865]

God bless Shadee ElMasry and the team! beautiful lecture!

[@abdulhafeezoyetunde2599]

AsSalamu ‘Alaykum, very informative mashaAllah!

[@muhammadyusuf007]

Clear and concise mA pls keep these coming iA

[@AzizRahman1]

Maa shaa Allaah this was a beautiful explanation. Looking forward to the next video on this topic.

[@Shah_Khan]

Many many thanks to Shaykh Dr Shadee Elmasree and @SafinaSociety . This is really great work and need of the time.

[@UnderBaseBeatz]

Got to love Dr Shadee and Safina Sociey - thank you, JazakAllah Khayre everything explained so clearly. 💚

[@antonydix7201]

Alhumdallah, beautiful lecture. Clear explanations, i dont understand why some of these comments differ from this clear explanation

[@sayedtalhahusainipeerzade]

Much needed series

[@fatumasiraj3988]

SUBHAAN ALLAH 😊 VERY WELL EXPLAINED

[@MusaKhan-ie4cq]

What an awesome series تبارك الله

[@TechSyndrome]

amazing! I've had these questions for years.

[@TechSyndrome]

forgot to say شكرا جزيلا

[@abdullahkhan-qk3lk]

Priceless...

[@jack-xf8qm]

Absolutely amazing and phenomenal.

[@TechSyndrome]

agreed 100%!

[@TravelingPhilosopher]

Madhabs are just the legal epistemology for our Sharia. Ma Sha Allah

[@turboparadise]

Great lesson but somethings up with the sound, the last word of 1/3 the sentences you say get eaten up. Cant hear it.

[@ave390]

I really like Dr. Shadee Elmasry's outfit, what does it called?

[@Saudea]

*All I know is that I take the advice of the prophet given to the Bedouin about Iman and worship not completed but simply prayer your salaat and fast in the month of Ramadan.* *If you are able your Zakaat and hajj.*

[@PolatBarkinPekbak]

BārakAllāhu Fīk Ustāḏ 🌹

[@talhahm8]

Jazakallah Khair for the video. I guess the question that may arise is, what is the benefit of Allah SWT allowing for variation in his religion as opposed to having say just one Madhab? Would this not have lead to less disagreements etc

[@redman1300]

It is a blessing in practice and an intellectual blessing. The Ummah will learn how to respect each others disagreements and will keep using the mind in discussion with each other. Just like Allah has allowed the different languages and different lands and people to exist. It is from his mercy

[@Jennfriel]

Allows some flexibility in Islam. We aren’t all the same and we’re not robots. On the other hand when it comes to all the major issues, the Muslims are all in agreement on those. The sahaba differed at times in how they understood the revelation. How could two billion of us today understand every single issue in exactly the same way? Another benefit I also think of is that it keeps us learning. Which in turn keeps us realizing how little we know. Which in turn keeps us humble seeking more and more guidance from Allah swt.

[@mikhan5191]

Why did Allah SWT create different races & tribes & languages when just 1 would remove disagreements? The answer is in the Qur'an!

[@SafinaSociety]

it is a wisdom as people have different needs

[@DhikrDose]

We all agree on the worship of Allah alone without any partners in His worship and that Muhammad is the final messenger and have good thoughts of his companions. The rest is open to interpretation which is natural not sure what else you'd expect

[@TheGreatLakeRuler]

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[@suryaniahmadsarji5808]

So even if hadith sahih but need to look at context yes ?

[@TheArizePodcast]

100% Context is necessary. this is why hadith are not learned through books but rather through isnad (chain of narration). Some hadith are even transmitted with actions associated, ie every narrator repeated the action of the prophet while transmitting the hadith

[@alminafirman5168]

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[@RayOfHope8]

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[@hakman327]

JazzakAllahukhayran love Safina society and shaykh dr elmasry great fan of your work. I got a question of the terms you used. Aren't the verses muhkam and mutashabih? I thought mutawattir hadeth and quran verses are quati and ahad hadith thann?

[@SafinaSociety]

By transmission, all of Quran is mutawatir, but in terms of the meaning, there is qati, zanni, and mutashabih.

[@Hrabns]

Why not simply go back in Ibn Abbas? Wasn't he given perfect knowledge of the Qur'an by the Prophet (pbuh)?

[@trappedinexistence]

when muslim "scholars" reject sahih ahadith it's accepted but when normal muslims do the same thing it's kufr, rejecting the prophet, destroying the sunnah, hating islam, etc. do the scholars have the holy spirit? are they prophets we have to obey no matter what? not only that but normal muslims are told to accept every sahih ahadith from different hadith collections from different scholars. the same scholars that didn't accept sahih ahadith inside those hadith collections that normal muslims are told to accept. so one the one hand you're telling people to follow the scholars but on the other hand you're telling people to ignore the scholars. I guess it's another mystery like the trinity. I'm not even going into the various contradictory ahadith and the highly questionable statements by hadith collectors like imam ahmad who said if a hadith is not inside his musnad it's considered wrong. now this doesn't mean you have to reject all ahadith like some madmen out there propagate. but it does show that this topic is extremely problematic despite "rigorous muslim scholarship" that went into it.

[@RusselKabirTR]

What are you talking about? No scholar rejects Ahadith. They might derive ruling from a different Hadith, but they don't say this Hadith is wrong or the Prophet never said or done something like this. They just accept some different Hadith or actions of a Sahabi assuming the teaching was changed or abrogated DURING the time of the prophet given another Hadith or action of a renowned Sahabi. And we know for a fact that their derivation of ruling can be wrong. So we don't believe they have holy spirit. Now what Usul or methodology a layperson uses to reject a Hadith? Are they rejecting it because they have a better proof? Or are they rejecting it because they don't like the ruling or the ruling is inconvenient to them? Accepting all the Sahih Ahadith as true and deriving ruling from them are not the same thing. When deriving ruling from them, you have to set up a methodology to determine as best as possible what the final teaching of the Prophet was. Haven't you watched the video at all and wanted just to utter some nonsense and hatred against the scholars?

[@TheArizePodcast]

They don't reject them, they just contextualize them. So all sahih hadith arent taken 100% literally if there is evidence that contextualizes them in a different light

[@pakiblood5677]

Salam. Why not just follow the hadith that's the easiest for you. Why not mix and match to what's easy for you? If imam malik says if you bleed, ur wudu stays so a hanafi can just follow that? Or if u dont like growing ur beard just follow the shafi way? Each scholar had his own argument as to why their way is strong so just follow any???

[@user-hj4ym7ug3h]

Nobody follows a madhab Qait'iyan to where *all* of their opinions are sourced from, but what you are not understanding is that the madhahib are not about difficulty, it is about rationality, You might look at what Imam Malik says about why you can have your wudu while bleeding and think it's not rational, another might think not.

[@explanationforeverything]

‘Abd Khayr reported: Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “If the religion were based upon one’s opinion, one might expect the bottom of the leather sock to be wiped instead of the top. I have seen the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, wiping over the upper part of his leather socks.” Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 162 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani عَنْ عَبْدِ خَيْرٍ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ لَوْ كَانَ الدِّينُ بِالرَّأْيِ لَكَانَ أَسْفَلُ الْخُفِّ أَوْلَى بِالْمَسْحِ مِنْ أَعْلَاهُ وَقَدْ رَأَيْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَمْسَحُ عَلَى ظَاهِرِ خُفَّيْهِ 162 سنن أبي داود كتاب الطهارة باب كيف المسح

[@SafinaSociety]

This is a different kind of "ray" than opinions about the meaning of the verses. For that Allah said, "They listen to the speech then follow the best of it" meaning the best understanding of it

[@explanationforeverything]

@@SafinaSociety Most of the Quran contains ayāt muhkamāt that are clear as Allah calls his Words مبين. Yes the Quran contains Ayāt mutashābihāt but that opinions can arise from but that is the minority, and the differences in ‘ray’ in the Quran is minuscule with the Salaf compared to they all agreed upon, being muhkamāt from Allah رب العزة. As Allah عز وجل says: هُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۗ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ

[@explanationforeverything]

Madhaahib are definitely valid. What we must not to however is have تعصب with it. When the evidence from the Quran and the Ahaadith is stronger than what the Madhhab taught, it should be left. Taqleed is dangerous for none of these a’immah, even with their mountains of knowledge were ma’soum (infallible). The only Ma’soum in terms of major mistakes is our Prophet صلی الله عليه وسلم and تعصب is only permissible for him After Allah’s command تبارکه وتعلی as he commanded us to obey him.

[@user-hj4ym7ug3h]

And Nobody said otherwise. @@explanationforeverything

[@explanationforeverything]

@@user-hj4ym7ug3h Dr Shadee Al-Masry seems to believe otheriwse.

[@ahmedabdi319]

I respect the opinion of the sheikh but its stupid to follow someone or madhab when the sahabah or the early salaf have an opinion based on hadith or saying of ahlul hadith( Only Those who are Trustworthy of Hadith), there is a reason why Hanbali and shaafici madhabs are closer to the sunah followed maaliki, Hanafis are in offside position, weakest of them all, the further you are from hadith the worst you become,apart from educational process i dont see the reason to limit yourself in a madhab. Maybe when the issue is new, no quran or hadith to be found, then do taqleed. In aakhirah no one will ask you about madhab. But you will be held accountable when you ignored sahiih hadith for the opinion of someone....rem what ibnu abbas use to tell the younger sahabas and his students ‌ وقد كان السلف يشتد عليهم معارضة النصوص بآراء الرجال ، ولا يقرون على ذلك ، وكان ابن عباس يحتج في متعة الحج بسنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وأمره لأصحابه بها ، فيقولون له : إن أبا بكر وعمر أفردا الحج ولم يتمتعا ، فلما أكثروا عليه قال : " يوشك أن تنزل عليكم حجارة من السماء " ، أقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وتقولون : قال أبو بكر وعمر فرحم الله ابن عباس ، كيف لو رأى قوما يعارضون قول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بقول أرسطو وأفلاطون وابن سينا والفارابي وجهم بن صفوان وبشر المريسي وأبي الهذيل العلاف وأضرابهم ؟ . ولقد سئل عبد الله بن عمر عن متعة الحج فأمر بها ، فقيل له : إن أباك ينهى عنها ، فقال : إن أبي لم يرد ما تقولون ، فلما أكثروا عليه قال : أمر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أحق أن تتبعوا أم أمر عمر ؟ . ولما حدث حميد بن ثابت عن أنس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في تفسير قوله تعالى : ( فلما تجلى ربه للجبل ) قال : " وضع أصبعه على طرف خنصره فساخ الجبل " أنكر عليه بعض الحاضرين وقال : أتحدث بها ؟ فضرب حميد في صدره وقال : أحدثك عن ثابت عن أنس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وتقول : أتحدث بهذا ؟ فكانت نصوص رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أجل في صدورهم وأعظم في قلوبهم من أن يعارضوها بقول أحد من الناس ، ولا تثبت قدم أحد على الإيمان إلا على ذلكI respect the opinion of the sheikh but its stupid to follow someone or madhab when the sahabah or the early salaf have an opinion based on hadith or saying of ahlul hadith( Only Those who are Trustworthy of Hadith), there is a reason why Hanbali and shaafici madhabs are closer to the sunah followed maaliki, Hanafis are in offside position, weakest of them all, the further you are from hadith the worst you become,apart from educational process i dont see the reason to limit yourself in a madhab. Maybe when the issue is new, no quran or hadith to be found, then do taqleed. In aakhirah no one will ask you about madhab. But you will be held accountable when you ignored sahiih hadith for the opinion of someone....rem what ibnu abbas use to tell the younger sahabas and his students ‌ وقد كان السلف يشتد عليهم معارضة النصوص بآراء الرجال ، ولا يقرون على ذلك ، وكان ابن عباس يحتج في متعة الحج بسنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وأمره لأصحابه بها ، فيقولون له : إن أبا بكر وعمر أفردا الحج ولم يتمتعا ، فلما أكثروا عليه قال : " يوشك أن تنزل عليكم حجارة من السماء " ، أقول : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وتقولون : قال أبو بكر وعمر فرحم الله ابن عباس ، كيف لو رأى قوما يعارضون قول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بقول أرسطو وأفلاطون وابن سينا والفارابي وجهم بن صفوان وبشر المريسي وأبي الهذيل العلاف وأضرابهم ؟ . ولقد سئل عبد الله بن عمر عن متعة الحج فأمر بها ، فقيل له : إن أباك ينهى عنها ، فقال : إن أبي لم يرد ما تقولون ، فلما أكثروا عليه قال : أمر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أحق أن تتبعوا أم أمر عمر ؟ . ولما حدث حميد بن ثابت عن أنس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في تفسير قوله تعالى : ( فلما تجلى ربه للجبل ) قال : " وضع أصبعه على طرف خنصره فساخ الجبل " أنكر عليه بعض الحاضرين وقال : أتحدث بها ؟ فضرب حميد في صدره وقال : أحدثك عن ثابت عن أنس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وتقول : أتحدث بهذا ؟ فكانت نصوص رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أجل في صدورهم وأعظم في قلوبهم من أن يعارضوها بقول أحد من الناس ، ولا تثبت قدم أحد على الإيمان إلا على ذلك

[@AwaisAhmedPodcast]

I get a feeling that this series is based on Salafiphobia e

[@iqbalchoudhury8464]

The only problem is when people put action in salah is different. One particular group put too much emphasis on madhab even after knowing the sahee Hadith they don't put into practice when they are praying salah. Sunnah is something semi obligatory it has to be observed. Showing any form of disregard goes against the decree of Allah SWT which is extremely dangerous. Allah SWT Has Given clears instructions in the Qu'ran to follow His Rasool. One particular group is very reluctant to do, what they do, they always hide behind their madhab's umbrella. Salah does matter. As the Prophet peace be upon him said "pray as you seen me praying". Which is why all sahee Hadith in respect of all actions while performing Salah is to be acted. Other aspects of an individual's life are not very much vivid in every one's eyes. But salah is very much vivid therefore it matters.

[@human0_0skull]

Do you really think they don't know about those ahadith? The problem is who authenticated them and which explanation of these ahadith you follow.

[@redman1300]

The madhabs have books with evidences from hadith of how the Prophet prayed have you read those books or are you accusing the scholars of lying about Allah and his Prophet? If ur knowledge is limited to what you have read or know it doesnt mean they dont have evidences for their positions it means you should read more books from the 4 madhabs instead of reading one book that tells you how to pray claiming it is the only saheeh way to pray.

[@Sa7biUK]

Oh look an Indo-Pak pontificating on a subject he hasn't got a clue about. I've never seen that before. Bhaiya sit down, watch the video again and go and learn at the feet of traditional scholar

[@zisanmahmud4335]

Creation of Madhab is Bid'ah and Haram according to Quran and Sunnah. Allah forbade it. Rasul (SAW) forbade it. Rasul (SAW), his companions, Tabei never created Madhab. Non Muslims has Madhab. Muslims are not supposed to have any Madhab or sect. That's why Rasul (SAW) said among 73 group, only one would go to Jannah. Rests would go to Hellfire. Which one would go to Jannah? The one group who followed the ideals of Rasul (SAW) and Sahaba. And they never created Madhabs.

[@SafinaSociety]

Sects are deviations from explicit texts. Madhabs are interpretations of speculative texts. Sahaba had this even in time of the Prophet ﷺ. Look up the hadith of praying Asr at Bani Qurayza

[@omarabbasi2682]

You're following a madhab right now, except you created it on your own with 0 training. A madhab is "a way". I would rather come to Allah on the day of judgement behind Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Malik, or one of the mujtahid imams with the thousands of scholars from their respective madhab than coming up with my own rulings.

[@CEO786]

@@SafinaSocietygreat point

[@TechSyndrome]

​@@omarabbasi2682 this! the issue is we've become a generation of mujathid imam's! I'm going to take a screenshot of your post and pin it. as someone looking to have a child (please make dua for me and my wife as we're both anxious about it) I really don't have the mental space to spend time looking into rulings - I'd like to know the basics. Then, on more complex issues perhaps I'll look into what our great imam's have said. may Allah reward you for your sincerity.

[@TechSyndrome]

@@omarabbasi2682 also, who are the mujtahid imam's out of interest? is that scholar's like ibn Taymiyyah?

[@darryl6663]

I found you through Owen Benjamin I’m drawn to Muslin way of knowledge ,Where would i start on my journey?

[@najiuAhmed]

MashaAllah. I would say read a good translation of the Quran. I think a good one is “clear Quran” by Mustapha khattab.

[@najiuAhmed]

MashaAllah. I would say read a good translation of the Quran. I think a good one is “clear Quran” by Mustapha khattab.

[@sherifayantayo2873]

Assalamu aleikum you can take your shahadah to become Muslim by saying : Ash- hadu an laa ilaaha illa Allah, wa ash- hadu Anna Muhammad rasul Allah which translates to I believe there is no god except Allah and Muhammad ﷺ is his messenger.