Sagrada Review - with Tom Vasel

[@DiscoCokkroach]

1:06 - The most non-controversial component drop in Dice Tower history.

[@cyndanetierney6449]

Tom is right about people just stopping to look at this game. I backed this game on Kickstarter because I stopped to watch people playing it at Gencon last year. And I'm super happy with it.

[@gfshurts]

Note to any other colorblind players out there. The dice are quite a challenge. The Blue/Purple are very difficult for me and the Red/Green isn't easy to distringuish. I really wished they would have made a few minor tweaks to make it more color blind friendly (black pips on the Blue and Green dice would ahve been easy). That said, this game is gorgeous and plays well with 2, 3 or 4 and with ages 8+. My kids really like it. When you choose which window to complete at the beginning of the game I would always recommend a 3-4 point window. That means that you can focus on scoring more bonus points due to the goals rather than just trying to get dice that fit.

[@joachimschoder]

Didn't think of that. But it is an important thing to think about, especially for open game meetups. Thank you!

[@ethanl9656]

I would recommend replacing a color or two with solid white and/or black dice. It won't look as nice but the contrast will make the game more playable

[@Kalel0042]

Thanks for the comment. Was considering picking this up but was worried about the colors so your comment made up my mind. My blue/purple vision is abysmal, so this is a deal breaker for me. I wish more companies made an effort to accommodate colorblind players. Ticket to Ride is an excellent example. Most people probably don't even notice the symbols on the cards, but those are essential to my ability to play the game.

[@pweir2005]

replace the dice with any color you want..dont blame the company for your faults

[@Zagardal]

@@pweir2005 I hope you're consistent and blame yourself for being an ableist ass

[@texascpa]

Just one rule miss, you forgot to mention that each empty spot in your cathedral is worth -1 point at game end.

[@ericspeek]

One of my favorite games I Kickstarted. The game has simple mechanics, but it is so much fun.

[@colinsmith6480]

according to the rulebook you can place diagonally adjacent as well, you infer it must be orthogonal adjacent

[@andrewhorne2150]

Should have added a shattered glass sound as you slammed the gavel down just to add a touch of realism :)

[@richardscales9560]

certainly looks like a good game to have in your collection to cover the gateway end of things

[@smoothcriminal28]

richard scales I like the way you worded that lol.

[@richardscales9560]

any intelligence shown is purely accidental

[@kumanight]

Just bought it today and tried it solo - played in just 15mins. Fun quick game, excited to try multiplayer

[@lufia22]

What a beautiful box.

[@AnthonyFrancisJones]

Excellent - thanks for this!

[@itint]

This is the best homage to the Catalan Cathedral Sagrada Familia! Nice game.

[@NickDavies75]

Looks nice. Kind of like a "next level" version of Blueprints.

[@ulyssesbautista2920]

Does anyone else just get goosebumps when everthing is tossed on the table?

[@dddmmm21]

Kinda reminded me of a simpler more colorful version of Castles of Burgundy

[@pedro15305]

I think it wasn't clear in the video, but when you use the tools for the first time you spend 1 favor token, and then spend 2 every time someone wants to use it again, it doesn't escalate. Also they give +1 point at the end of the game.

[@duketranslucent3rd]

According to the BGG overview video there's a solo variant, too.

[@ThYr0N]

If I'm not mistaken that Cathedral in the box is la SAGRADA Familia the masterpiece located in Barcelona by Gaudi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia Looks cool the game and being inspired by a monument in my city is tempting!

[@gfshurts]

Yup, that was the inspiration for the game.

[@TheNickBasso]

Lluis Fontanella wow do you want a cookie? 🍪 I mean no offense... But it's pretty famous 😌😂

[@ThYr0N]

Nicolò Basso if someone that doesn't know the monument checks the link and knows about him I'm happy. You eat the cookie don't worry. I guess you're from or in USA and know from experience that everyone there knows the monument super well.

[@TheNickBasso]

Well if you don't know the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona you probably aren't even interested in boardgames... Or at least this is my opinion. People who enjoy boardgames or at least a certain kind of them are usually smart and have some good general knowledge and when they don't know a thing they make a search on their own (so hard in our times typing on google Sagrada, you don't even need to write Familia and you'll immediately get the wikipedia page... and umh I think you can easily think that the game was inspired by that specific church by Gaudì) ... Said that, I'm not from USA and I've never been in USA and actually I think American people don't know much about our geography, but yeah maybe they know about monuments because they want to visit them (since they don't have many), I can see your points, but I'm from Italy and I'm sure they would come here before visiting Barcelona... Ok I take the cookie thanks and I also add another information... I've been in Barcelona plenty of times and usually I also take a walk around the Sagrada Familia... on Av. de Gaudí, slightly north from the Sagrada Familia there's even a Boardgame shop :D See you

[@TheNickBasso]

I just wanted to be polite xD honestly I think that if you don't know what and where the Sagrada Familia is you can go to fuck off... maybe I'm mean :D and that "If I'm not mistaken" at the beginning of his comment really gave me cancer. But again, I'm a piece of shit, I'm totally aware of it ;)

[@kennygoodenow6505]

I haven't played Roll Player, but the basic concepts remind me A LOT of Rolling America/Japan. This seems like that "next level" of that concept.

[@christines2787]

So... not being nit picky, just wanted to make sure that I understand the rules... was the yellow 3 placed illegally?

[@Katskii]

Yes, it was placed illegally due to the purple 3 above it :) He was just trying to quickly show completion of the row for the scoring.

[@christines2787]

Awesome. Thank you. What a neat looking game! I think that my tweens would enjoy playing it

[@gaucholaw1]

Kickstarted, waiting for it to arrive

[@Jukejointjeze0n]

It looks like the box is a bit large, but other than that, the game looks gorgeous. Good looking out, Tom. Ill put it on my list.

[@davideliberatori2147]

ciao, come sempre splendido video, un dubbio come si conteggia l'obbiettivo delle diagonali colorate ? grazie mille.

[@ibanezhaze]

Me: Should I subscribe to The Dice Tower ? *Dice Tower: Approved!* Me.: Hell yeah

[@darknessorc2484]

whats that game in backround is it rom denis ron denis or what pls tell me

[@searose6192]

I can’t wait until my kids are bigger so we can play this game! I still have some young enough that those pieces would end up eaten😮 up side of waiting is hopefully it will be less expensive by then

[@xshadowscreamx]

still pricey

[@Keyh]

I winced when I saw the gavel come down. Tom loves playing with people emotions using his disregard for boxes

[@VotreDjPocail]

in 5:15 there's a mistake. You don't put a 3 on the purple, because you block yourself for a 3 beside the blue 4. End of game I made a house rule it's -3 pts for each empty spots, which gives you a hard choice to fill your space. Because -1 pt is nothing and we wouldn't care if it's empty.

[@dcnole]

Any idea why this is listed as a 14+ age game? Seems like it pretty clearly lines up with games that would normally be rated 8+ based on game complexity.

[@gfshurts]

To avoid all sorts of legal requirements from countries all over the world due to the small parts.

[@clairvoyantmole8668]

+dcnole On boardgamegeeks, it's rated as 8+ by the users. They usually do a pretty good job in voting for appropriate ages, complexity and number of players. I always stick to that instead of what's printed on the boxes. Pegasus is going to release a german version during the next months. I wonder what they are going to print on the box.

[@14stockfan]

In many countries you have to have very stringent testing done on products marketed to anyone under a certain age, often 14 (also costs a pretty penny, no surprise when bureaucrats are involved). Many hobby items are labeled this way because of this, but people under that age can easily still play with or use the item.

[@rblc86]

What happens when you are stuck and have no place to put more dice ? And its round 7? (i.e)

[@carlatate7678]

When you're stuck and can't play, your unplayed dice go on the round track with the final die and you will likely end the game with open windows, which will deduct 1 point each from your score.

[@Rezmason]

It's like someone made a dice game out of cardboard GeoSafaris!

[@purehorsepuckey]

I think coulda been so cool to use 4 sided dice for the far more interesting and esthetic shapes triangles allow for. But looks good nonetheless.

[@KnakuanaRka]

david zerbst Yeah, triangles could make some interesting patterns, though it would be hard to make the tetrahedral dice look as pretty as these. Maybe truncate the corners. Heck, while we’re on this, maybe use octahedral dice (8-sided) in a hexagonal grid; that could be interesting too.

[@MrCDSTeacher]

Clear dice

[@BBHouseRodent]

Still Kicking myself for not backing this...

[@inuinuinuinuinu]

Same! I waffled on it too.

[@jonathanmcanulty5142]

Yeah, this review is making be slightly regret that choice also.

[@MichaelButlerC]

Still backing myself for not kicking it!

[@glehnmarc]

No you can't have the threes together. Oh dear...

[@KnakuanaRka]

Interesting review, though Watch it Played did a much more thorough and complete explanation of the rules here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnuvoZR9fbFrg7M And two videos showing an average game starting here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWfQiHZ6o8t_rcU Also, I honestly haven’t played this game, but there are a couple negative things I’ve heard about it: First off, as someone mentioned below, some of these dice colors can be tough for colorblind people to tell apart. You don’t even really need to sacrifice the visual look of the game; just put some black dots on the blue/green dice, and they’d be way easier to tell from purple/red! Second, I’ve heard some complaints that the personal objectives are too powerful, and out-prioritize the other scoring mechanisms (see Watch it Played’s two videos of them playing, where at the end, both players got over half their points from just the personal objectives). I also think they could use a bit more variation than just summing all the dice of a specific color. Third, one thing that’s personal to me, and just a minor irritant, some of the theming; specifically, the titles of the tool cards. I get the designers wanted to add to the feel of the game and show off their research, but it just ends up being random titles and names that have no logical connection to the actual function and throw you out of the experience. I mean, would you have guessed based on the names Eglomise Brush and Copper Foil Burnisher that the two tools have extremely similar functions? (The former lets you move one die in your pane ignoring color restrictions in your pattern; the other does the same except for shade restrictions.) And how does Glazing Hammer translate into “reroll all the dice in the pool”, or Grinding Stone to “flip over the die you drafted”? And so on for all the other tools. Considering that with the other titled entities, they gave mostly-meaningless, pleasant-sounding Italian phrases for the window patterns, and didn’t even try to theme the objectives, why here? Especially since it would be pretty easy to give some of these thematic titles if they weren’t so selectively strict about being period-accurate? Ie, the Lens Cutter tool (shown in Watch it Played’s videos), which lets you replace a drafted die with one from the round track, could easily be called something like “Salvage Searcher” (since you’re taking a die that went unused in previous rounds). Again, this is just a minor nitpick, but it looks like something that would consistently annoy me. Regardless, this still looks like a great (and beautiful) game, with these complaints being minor at best and something I’ll have to test when I get to play.

[@xshadowscreamx]

Rip Azul

[@MassEffectFan113]

I'm not kicking myself for not backing this because it will be available everywhere. It's just colored dice people, you can buy them in any store.

[@RonnieLunn84]

Sure, plus secret objective cards, table objective cards, tool cards, sheets for how you have to arrange your dice and how many favour tokens you get, plus a snazzy board to slide that sheet it into, all of which I imagine was playtested for balance.

[@MassEffectFan113]

/slowclap

[@GenghisWanghis]

MassEffectFan113 - agreed, it'll sell super well and be available frequently. I have a copy coming in to my local game store this week.

[@xshadowscreamx]

@@RonnieLunn84 still over $50

[@procapper6933]

$29.99 @ Target

[@gabiballetje]

This comes over as Roll Player Light ? BTW, I REALLY WANT ROLL PLAYER ! Why is this game so fucking hard to come by ? Why don't they even offer it for pre-order which would prove that a lot of people want it which would also give them immediate cashflow to get a large run started and would cut down on cost and get it done cheaper and maybe faster... /rant