SAIGA 12 part 3 -Mags

[@Lambo-fe6bf]

The goofy smile after shooting everytime is priceless

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

😉

[@qtheqman3341]

That steel 10 round magazine is just awesome! Will have to try one out !

[@SuNnYaAsH]

Why he give funny looking smile after firing shots🤣😂 he look alike of guy in myth busters

[@chrispagington5330]

Thanks a lot great video I thought I was the only one that had to file down the magazines to make them fit proper

[@restoredpilot5654]

I love how he uses the same background music that Jangbricks used for his hero factory videos

[@IronChefNC]

Toilet looks like aftermath from taco bell

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Mike Belcak Hahaha! Yeah I’ve had some Taco Bell like that😬

[@MartianBuddy]

Thx for making this video, needed a reference like this!

[@stephenschultz9901]

1:53 Coffee came out my nose. Love it when folks don't take themselves too seriously 👍🍻

[@kevincorrigan1754]

finally someone answered whether the promag 10 rounder is the exact same as 12.. i thought it was but i couldn't for the life of me figure out how that makes sense haha.. duh, its because of gun laws.

[@michaelbrooks3220]

This is an amazing series Max, thank you for making these videos. If you don’t mind, I have a question. I’ve seen a lot of debate of Saiga 12s vs Vepr 12s, and the general consensus is that stock Veprs are better than stock Saigas, and therefore a better purchase. This is compounded by the fact that the Saiga, which I believe is already more expensive, has to have a crap load of modifications done to have all the same features as the Vepr 12. But what about military-grade Saigas, the ones that have never been built, then taken apart and rebuilt in order to conform to US importation laws? In other words, what about the “true” stock Saiga 12? The two biggest advantages the Vepr 12 boasts over even those kinds of Saigas is a vertical magwell and an unregulated/self-regulated gas system, which makes it supposedly fire low-quality rounds more dependably. The problem with both of those things, to me, is that the gas system results in a loss of velocity, which would not only cut down on power but range as well; and I’ve seen videos of people cycling 200 Walmart rounds in a row from Saiga 12s as fast as they can with absolutely no issues. No failures to feed, no jamming, etc. Also, I’ve heard that the rock and lock AK mag system, while a bit more awkward at first, is actually more reliable than a mag well for various reasons. Also, I recall seeing a torture test video of the Saiga 12 where three were dragged through watery mud, shot twice, then put back in the watery mud and ran over with a truck, and shot two more times and ran flawlessly. Now, obviously if you modify the Hell out of either one, both would be just as good as the other since they’re essentially overall the same gun but with various differences. One thing I saw you say in a previous video is that you think people only prefer the Vepr 12 because it was designed from the start to be a very civilian-friendly weapon, while the Saiga from the start was made with military use in mind, so when it comes to using lower-grade civilian ammo and just wanting to use a gun for fun, the Vepr 12 is more likely to outshine the Saiga here in the West without mods. So, in your opinion, which of the two do you think fulfills their intended role better? The Vepr 12 definitely seems more ergonomic, but the Saiga 12 was designed to be used for life and death military action and even had input from Kalishnikov himself. So that in mind, it seems like the odds are against the Saiga 12 in a US civilian market, but as a military shotgun, it seems like it would run better in its intended role than a Vepr 12 would in its intended role.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Michael Brooks I think you summed it up beautifully. The Saiga 12 was first. US import laws wreaked havoc on people who wanted them in the original military config. Plus high brass rounds are expensive and tiring to shoot so people often come to the conclusion that cheaper ammo would be nice to be able to shoot through these and make a lot of mods that the Saiga 12 was never really designed for. Along comes the Vepr 12 designed for the civilian marketplace and for most people that settled the issue. Personally I prefer the Saiga 12. It’s a simpler shotgun (like a Glock pistol) and I think that’s an important distinction. It’s the only one that was originally designed to be full auto capable and personally I feel more confident rocking and locking those big, heavy mags and drums rather than hoping I hear a click when I insert a straight pull type mag. It’s all just personal preference but I’ve noticed more competition shooters who actually use shotguns of this type used the Saiga’s when they were more available. Not as much now because they are getting rather rare. And I suppose knowing that makes me appreciate them also. I have three Saiga 12’s: -My first one I converted myself and feature through most of this video -an unconverted (sporter config) featured in the beginning of this video and - a model made in the original military config imported without any alterations. (My favorite) I’ve wanted to do a video about them for a while now but KZbin has removed all my monetization and is doing something in their algorithms that cause all my new videos to get virtually no views and my subscribers don’t even get alerts anymore so I’m not sure I will be putting my effort into making videos on this platform anymore. 😔

[@michaelbrooks3220]

Max Headspace9mm Awesome reply my friend. I’m very sorry to hear that. I’ll try to help out as best as I can by sharing your videos in forearm groups. I think the folks over on Saiga 12.com will love some of your videos.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Michael Brooks Thanks! Your words of encouragement mean more than you know😎

[@jonathancolby9179]

Love the toilet playbacks!!! And the good I do and reviews

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Thanks! Glad to hear!😉

[@MrMnmn911]

Damn dude. You unload those 12 gauge rounds like a bat outta hell! Good strong shooting.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

MrMnmn911 Thank you sir! Love me some Saiga 🤠

[@MrBrad777c]

Wicked video that somehow slipped by me. That was a boatload of fun!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Brad I am so glad to hear that! There’s nothing like an old video enjoyed by a good friend!

[@MrBrad777c]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm Oh yeah. This one had a ton of comedy I enjoyed.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Brad C thanks for the encouragement. I would love to put this kind of effort into my videos again but I’m really lucky if any of my new videos makes it to 1,000 views no matter how hard I try even with no monetization. I feel like I’m in KZbin prison.

[@MrBrad777c]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm Yeah same here. My base is much smaller than yours but I felt it just as hard. All my numbers were cut literally in half over night and started slowly going down over time while Trump in office. They took it out on us.

[@JayPoo1321]

I've heard they don't make the MD Arms 20 round drum anymore. I own 2 of them. That whole filing to fit thing is no joke. Got mine to fit perfect. Pain in the ass to load though.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

JayPoo1321 Yes in that way the ProMag is better. But I can also appreciate the simplicity and ruggedness of the MD Arms drum. I guess that’s why I have so many different kinds. They all work well in different ways.

[@lhenkhantus2588]

The Saiga-12 is my favorite shotgun! And the Stevens DB

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Lhenkhantus Me too. It’s the only semiauto shotgun I own.

[@Projektor912]

So.. What setup?

[@NCmtnDweller]

Will the 10 rounder steel mag function in the new Panzer AK12 ?? If so what's the name of company? thanks

[@gruntspy44]

The "snatch" music lol

[@josearellano5778]

Awesome video boss man‼️

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Thanks!😉

[@fredely1972]

great video but the music is a little to loud and annoyingly repetitive, but loved the content!!!!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

fred Ely Thanks for letting me know. It was one of the first on a new editing system. It’s pretty rough I admit. I’m learning. 😎

[@davesmith1771]

I got me one finally. It rocks.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Congrats and good choice! My favorite!

[@bbigrocker1]

ROFLMAO.....You're a nut!! Nicely done!!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

bbigrocker1 Thank you sir!😎

[@gangstar8652]

Yo Max safe from England, you good? Man that's a sick weapon for home defence and I've only got to the twelve mag normal birdshot crap!!!! What about a fox cartridge? Size 4 here, 00 over there I think? Ah shit, he's only got a barrel cartridge!!!!!!!!!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Gangstar #1 The funny thing is these guns were designed in Russia as a war machine. They handle buck and slugs like they are easy. But people over here get one and realize that buck and slugs are expensive. Then they decide to convert them so they can shoot low brass cheap loads. Go figure. Mine runs great on anything. Hey, great to hear form you! Thanks for stopping by😉

[@GoodFellaAtxSS44]

I've been having a lot of problems with my ProMag 12rd drum. Every brand I try in it fails to cycle. Does anyone know of a way to remedy this problem? Thanks ppl

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Promag is the one company I’ve had problems with. But they have excellent service and guarantee. Just send it to them and they will take care of you.

[@johnsheppard5257]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm what if I've already filed the back to make it fit? Nah I'm just kidding,if I have any problems I'll do what I always do,file of a teeny bit of the follower in the mag just enough to reduce friction.

[@werunguns]

Great channel, just subbed!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

We Run Guns Sweet! Thank you!

[@АлександрПупкин-ж6ю]

Best anti zombie Russians gun😊

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Александр Пупкин I hope when the zombies come that the Saiga 12 is nearby. And plenty of mags.

[@slidinsidewayzproductionss7906]

if you notice he is not using any cheap walmart rounds bird shots that why it runs flawlessly. great vid but i want to see some cheap ammo ran through it to see the real failures.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

I could do that but why? This is a military shotgun that is designed for heavy loads and battle destructiveness. Not skeet shooting. So the random stuff I shot was a bit higher load than junk Walmart but it wasn’t expensive.

[@slidinsidewayzproductionss7906]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm you are right but if u want practice to get use to it why spend god loads of money to get a hang of the-fire arm. I get it i have a Kalashnikov 12 tactical it seems in order to go to the range and use range rounds u need to modify the fore arm to shoot lesser rounds usually u modify to go up not down. But i know for a fact your fore arm cycles perfectly because of the hi-grade rounds. Seems to be some of the shot gun fire arm flaws. Just saying other than that nice vid almost seems like your sponsored most people who are not when they advertise they show the good the bad and the ugly side of things so the viewer gets a full scale of what they are getting in to. Just my two since no offense but most people watch youtube to learn and try in most cases if they watch ur video and go buy one they will think its junk how ever watching youtube before i even got mine i got a reliability kit which is why they make a reliability kit because realistically a shot gun should shoot what ever round u out in it given its a 12 gauge. But seems 12 gauge mag fed fire arms have this flaw. And most viewers will want tonsee that flaw before they just become first time buyers thinking vid is accurate and dont go to the range and load it up and out up for self defense using a normal 12 gauge round and it jams after first round. Due to insufficient gas issues with low bras rounds!!! Just saying but i like the vid either way. Honestly gets more views. But someone else’s ignorance from not doing more research could get them killed especially say this video was the only one on the net showing a smovely running shot gun/ fire arm and the only thing doing that is particular rounds. Not just a gas setting that was made for those lesser rounds! But again cool vid! I liked it! But i Know 😂

[@MatthewCherry]

Great job!

[@josemurillo1974]

Ive got a cheetah 12 that takes saiga magazines i just got a md 20 rd drum and for some reason im getting failure to eject spent cartridges the drum locks in place btw can anyone please help????

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jose Murillo I don’t think there’s any problem with your drum. Usually failure to eject is the result of either a poor extractor or the bolt not going back far enough to eject or not going back forcefully enough to eject. My first piece of advice would be to try some higher power ammo. Slugs would be best because they tend to create more back pressure in the gas system and are usually some of the highest power loads out there. If you still don’t get good ejection after this let me know.

[@josemurillo1974]

Max Headspace9mm Hey thanks for replying ill try to get some buckshot and slugs and ill let you know how it goes i was just curious as to why i only had ejection problems with the drum and not the original magazine

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jose Murillo Drums must run much higher spring tension in order to move all those rounds quick enough to keep up with the demands of a lightning fast bolt. Try just putting a few rounds in the drum and see if it works as well as the original stick mag.

[@qtheqman3341]

Camera man sounds like Kermit the frog! 🤣

[@castorjones2455]

What ammo do you use? I have seen a lot of videos where certain loads do not work.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

When a Saiga 12 is new it is common to need to use heavy loads to get full cycling because they are designed to be a combat weapon. Mine has about 500 rounds through it and it now will cycle reliably with just about any load including target loads. But if you want results quicker you can get an aftermarket gas plug which allows fuller cycling on small loads. I don’t recommend drilling the gas ports like some folks do. I have four perfect running Saiga 12’s and they all run perfect without any Permanent mods.

[@kevinjones2303]

What about the 10 round promag stick. I got 4. 1 of the four worked right. 1 of them only didn't push up the last round. And 2 of them didn't push rounds up all the way thru. So I tried breaking them in loading and unloading..... the spring inside 1 of them shattered, and when I took the mag apart it exploded.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Kevin Jones Yeah I made the mistake of buying a pro mag too. Nice looking mag but didn’t even get one round in it. Apparently it was built out of spec because mine was too small inside for a shell to even fit. So I didn’t include it in the review. I’ve got promags for other guns and I’ve had no trouble. They must have made a bunch with problems and let them leave the factory before thy worked out the bugs.

[@kevinjones2303]

Promag's warranty replaced all my defective mags with ones that seem to be working just fine now

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Kevin Jones Thanks for passing that along. I will send it in. 👍

[@guerom1367]

Funny video bro.will all these mags work reliably in my lynx?

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Guero M The Lynx was designed to use Saiga12 mags so it really should. All these fit and work reliably in my Saiga12’s so you should be fine. And a detachable magazine fed shotgun is even more fun the bigger the magazine.

[@johnsheppard5257]

Ha that's what I got these bad boys for,I was like,"eh,whats the point of a mag fed shotgun if I only got one mag.

[@Gpac692]

Great video! Where did you buy the MDR 20-5 round drum and 10 round steel mag?

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Gpac692 The MD arms-20 I got for $99 on sale through Saiga-12.com. They go on sale like clockwork a couple times a year. The CSpecs steel 8 round stick I got from their website. Here’s a link stores.csspecs.com/saiga-12-gauge/

[@john17467]

You must of got lucky with your Saiga 12. I keep on having problems with mine so now it just sits in my safe.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

John Nygren When I first got mine I thought I had made a mistake. It only worked reliably with very heavy loads. So I determined that I would only shoot slugs with it and didn’t use it much. Many times I came close to selling it. It seemed like the most useless gun I had. One of the times I was planning on selling it I took it out shooting one last time and found that I actually enjoyed slug shooting and changed my mind. I started adding upgrades like a rail system and all the tactical mumbo jumbo you see in it now in this video. I got into hot rodding it and it soon became one of my favorites. Then I found more recently that I can shoot even low brass target loads through it. It’s now one of the last guns I would ever sell and I have a total of three of them in different configurations. Each one has a different personality and something special to offer. I suspect that these shotguns just need a prolonged break in period. I can’t figure it any other way. It still uses the original internal parts: no special gas valve or puck or spring. I actually think that may be part of most people’s problem with them. The Saiga 12 was designed for military high brass loads so that’s what you should use it for. Most people want to shoot target loads and cheap bulk ammo right away to save money. So they start working on modifying their Saiga 12s to that end but actually exacerbate the problem. If there’s one thing I’m confident of it’s that the Russians know how to make firearms. We just need to understand how to use them as they were intended.

[@anthonygrieco5790]

My father bought one years ago, had issues with it when shooting anything other than buckshot or slugs. Also there's a gas Port adjustment. Sometimes you can adjust it for different loads

[@bugatvofficial374]

Exellent gun.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Yes I love em too.

[@edwardscissorhands7550]

Call him the stop button

[@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122]

When 3 mags are not enough.

[@gangstar8652]

Yep, the toilet was dead after 3, that's a weapon. We can only have a three shot system over here, how would you like that my mate? Fun for ya?!!!!!!!! What bout a sawn stock some 9x36 shells as your primary room clearer? I'll ask a few of the lads,see what the concensus is ok mate. Nuff luv from Le Angleterre bro.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

I’m glad we have rights here. But there is a constant battle against a lot of powerful people who want to take those rights away! My hope is that you and yours will enjoy firearms rights too someday. We can dream...🤔

[@gruntspy44]

Wow that comp helped!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Vanilla Gorilla It’s an amazing product. Molot tank brake. Highly recommend. 😉

[@networkinc.6825]

Don't let this guy catch you on the pot😐

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Christ News Network Haha! That’s awesome! 🚽

[@taymerelane]

What make and model is that big ass comp? It really appears to make a difference. I'd like a comp like that that has IC choke too, do they make one?

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

It’s a Molot brake. And yes it works very well but also a new Saiga 12 kicks hard but after a couple hundred rounds of high brass it calms down quite a bit. That was my most “used” Saiga12 in my collection. I built if from the basic hunting configuration.

[@taymerelane]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm Thanks for your prompt reply. Will you please weigh the promag 20 round drum when it's empty? I'm trying to decide if it's worth the weight vs 2 my AGP 10 rns mags, which weighs 23.1 oz.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

@@taymerelane The Promag drum is exactly 2 lbs. empty.

[@taymerelane]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm Thank you again. That's almost the weight of 3 AGP 10 rnd mags, which comes to just under 2# 3oz. Your video looked so fun that I had to buy one. My Lynx 3 Gun 12 gauge arrived at my FFL today. They are made at the Norinco factory in China.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

@@taymerelane My favorite mags are the 12 round mini drums. Very compact, light and easy. JMO.

[@Sandra-mi8ni]

How many times did you do that before you realized a tarp was a good idea😂

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Haha! I always load out my trash so it’s what I usually do if the mess is going to be big enough.

[@veikkolehtonen9987]

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[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Veikko Lehtonen Hat something knave this since tango roger down and something else.

[@unequip3818]

Does anyone know any good saiga mag pouches?

[@juliancockrell3628]

What brand/model of re-dot sight are you using there? Thx

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

It’s a Sightmark reflex sight. I’ve got a couple reviews of it on my channel.

[@gruntspy44]

How many mags have you destroyed?

[@jacobstaten2366]

Is it possible to do a double stack 12ga magazine or does the lip make it difficult?

[@Matt-kw2he]

Mossberg makes them for their mag fed pump.

[@tsafa]

I need a replacement bolt-piston for my Saiga 12

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

tsafa Legionusa has them from time to time. The owner is a great guy and if you call him he will let you know when he gets some in.

[@tsafa]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm thanks!

[@johnsheppard5257]

@@tsafa fancy seeing you here tsafa.

[@TheRawPath]

Get you one!

[@jorgepinto3372]

divine for god pity that here in Argentina one should not have a weapon like that😥😥

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jorge Pinto It amazes me how versatile and powerful it is. Even here in America there are many who would rather we are limited in shotguns to small mags. Maybe 5 rounds or something like that. But violence with shotguns is extremely rare. Surprising to me because I think shotguns are potentially the most destructive close range firearm.

[@jorgepinto3372]

I was in the Argentine army and used the FAL, FAP and MAG caliber 7.62 and borwimg 9mm and obviously has other armaments I was in the engineers battalion 601 but I wish it was more armaments as equipment

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jorge Pinto FAL and Browning HiPower are legendary. Plus I’m guessing you got the full experience of select fire. That is something I wish were available to me at a reasonable cost. But no matter what we have we will always wish for more. 🤔

[@sSebSLPlays]

can you feed buck or bird shot with the comp on your saiga? I just picked one up and ordered a comp and Im not sure if I should run JUST slugs through it

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

I’ve shot every kind of 12 gauge though this comp. it’s been just fine. There is plenty of clearance

[@sSebSLPlays]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm sweet!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Sebastian Wheeler I’ve done tons of work and add ons to my Saiga 12 and that comp is by far the most important for mitigating recoil. You can see a huge difference between me shooting the first one without that comp and the rest with it. Also make sure to run in your Saiga 12 with about 500 rounds. It’s amazing how much better reliability and performance you get after that initial break in.

[@sSebSLPlays]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm I'll have to do that once all the aftermarket parts come in and whenever 12ga becomes available again lol

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Sebastian Wheeler I hear ya.

[@shanelewis617]

A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND SLUGS!😎🚬❤

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Shane Lewis Haha! You said it!😉

[@joshbrowning5142]

Where do i find the c speck mags you are talking about nothing came up on google

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Josh Browning Try this stores.csspecs.com/saiga-12-gauge-10-round-steel-magazine/

[@joshbrowning5142]

@@MaxHeadspace9mm ok thanks man

[@alvierisolorio1791]

Oh shit you destroyed that toilet into little chunks

[@gatorbud22]

Those first 5 shots backed u up😂

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

GAT0R BUD Yes glad you noticed! The shotgun I used for the first mag demo was an unconverted Saiga12 with no muzzle brake on it. I’m so used to shooting my hot rod shotty that it always catches me by surprise when I grab the unconverted one. It pushes back pretty hard when you rapid fire. Just goes to show what a difference all those modifications make. I should have explained that in the video.

[@gatorbud22]

Max Headspace9mm lol true that. Nice video 👍

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

GAT0R BUD Thank you man! Have a good one.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

GAT0R BUD That would be great!

[@markwilliamson6002]

Control that recoil son!!!

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Haha! Yeah that always takes me by surprise. I have three Saiga 12’s. The one that shoved me back is Un modified and nearly new. They always kick hard when they are new and I rarely shoot that one so it surprised me a little. The other one I’ve had for years and I’ve got well over 1,000 rounds through it. It also has a Molot muzzle brake. It shoots like a dream as you can see from all the other demos.

[@markwilliamson6002]

Max Headspace9mm Square up your shoulders and tuck that stock into your shoulder notch, pull it in tight and......oh, but you know that! Great video, I subscribed.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Mark Williamson 😉 thanks!

[@30caliberliberty60]

So it doesn't shoot birdshot reliably?

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

30 caliber Liberty It shoots any power loads I put in it. I simply turn the gas knob to the #2 setting and blast away. I do that for skeet. Honestly the most fun for the saiga12 is how well it handles heavy loads. Amazing how much destruction this thing can deal with such little effort.

[@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122]

Stick mag is king. Drum mag is clumsy.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Internet Troll True. If you want the easiest to load and least bulky or least complicated then stick mags are definitely the choice. But I would say the mini drums are pretty close to being as easy and they don’t hang down near as far and they almost seem to disappear under the gun. They are my favorites for those reasons. The 20 round drums are mostly for competitors who want to minimize reloading. They are harder to load, heavier and more bulky. Much more costly too. But if you really need 20 rounds on tap they are the only game in town.

[@Psychfiend21]

What optic is that

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

A Sightmark reflex.

[@agf7destined424]

01.54 replay lol 👍 Nice!

[@Kiba69420]

When people say "Saga" it makes me puke a lil in my mouth, like when people call the SPAS a "SPAZ". Like, proper english says you should say it like the russians do... because Sai is "Sigh" not "Say". Rafael from ninja turtles doesnt use "Says" does it? No... They are Sais "Sighs". Unfortunately, the same people that say Saga are the same that will instantly correct you when you say "Clip" instead of "Magazine". How about we all say the stuff right, we have google... Magazine goes in the Sigh-guh.

[@Jagerarms]

The music is overbearing. Too loud and distracting.

[@typehere6689]

Tolerable through phone speakers at moderate volume. From that alone, I can probably tell it must be a pain to listen through earphones.

[@diggerdan4661]

FUCK YEAH!

[@ploppyploppy6554]

A good video thanks

[@porkyswelding]

some rounds jam some dont mags are less important than good ammo

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

crystal fyst I agree with that but I have found that of all the mags for all the firearms I’ve ever used there are more varieties of magazines for the Saiga 12 than almost any other popular firearm. And some work flawlessly no matter what shells you put in them, some are finicky and some don’t work at all. Making a detachable magazine fed shotgun takes tons of engineering to get things to work right. I just wanted to share what I’ve learned. I’ve gotten mine crazy reliable while many people tend to struggle with this weapon. So did I at first.

[@jlit1618]

never shot 5 round, never shot 8 nor all the other rounds you boast. so your leaving rounds in the chamber????????

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

J LiT What’s wrong with that?

[@zangana3052]

Isnt that Persona 5 BGM? lol

[@edwingallardo5992]

President really beautiful that shotguns full automatic weapons powerful weapon really nice that gun"?

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Edwin Gallardo It’s as fun to shoot as it is destructive🤠. Great weapon. Fun too!

[@greasycamthulhu7587]

20 ROUNDS!!!! shoots 4

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Hey I shot a lot of rounds that day. It was an expensive video to make. But I’ve shot all my equipment many many times and was just revealing my findings so people could make an informed choice on their magazines. I think any more would have been redundant.

[@mrbill1683]

why don't you listen to the music volume compared to your voice? you are drowned out.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

You are correct. This is a really old video from back when I still had a lot to learn. Actually I still have a lot to learn but that particular lesson I’ve learned from the mistakes in editing this video and now my videos aren’t like that.

[@nawabAli-iy2tl]

Your gun name

[@jacobstaten2366]

Saiga 12 I thought.

[@moneyshot7775]

Just how do you know which mags will wear out first and which ones will last the longest? Metal doesn't always outlast polymer. Russian doesn't always outlast American or Korean. Sounds like assumptions and guessing on your statements and predictions.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Money Shot You are correct to some extent. No, I haven’t worn out all these mags but I have worn out a lot of mags and what I’ve learned is that there are two causes for the death of a mag; Breakage and wear. Mags that have internal steel molded into the polymer will not die due to broken locking lugs. This is the reason quality mags are made that way. A magnet can tell you if your polymer mag has steel in the locking lugs. Springs rarely break but I have seen it happen on cheaper mags imported from countries which are making them cheap for the civilian buyer. Springs can also lose their tension over time if the metal is poor quality. Now as for wear that has to do mainly with two things; the abuse the user gives it and the material out of which the mag is made. Some polymers will actually rival steel in durability. But bottom line I simply base my analysis on my own experience as well as observation of many shooting friends and people I talk with. It’s not hard to get an opinion out of people. And in the gun community there are plenty of strong opinions to go around. There is also plenty of poor quality products which aren’t mil spec but look that way to the casual observer. So I agree with you. My opinions are those of a guy who has used and worn out a lot of stuff and knows and talks to many others who do the same. Take what I say with a grain of salt as you should with anyone in a KZbin video.

[@moneyshot7775]

Please don't misunderstand me Max........I wasn't doubting your statements or assessments one bit as I'm very familiar with magazines of all types as well as their components, design, and countries of origins and we all have our basic common sense rules of thumb and/or "in theory" guidelines and rating systems which are all formed and based on a good bit of fact and truth as history has proven however.........I will even bet most of your ratings and assessments are accurate and correct and I as well as most of your subscribers and other KZbinrs as well would just love and appreciate it if perhaps in another 6 months or a year if maybe youd do a follow up video OR......if you've already ran into issues or total losses with any mag or drum......maybe just drop an update or review. I'm familiar with guns and love AK platform rifles but I'm actually new to the 12ga AK platform having just bought 2 new SDS Imports Lynx 12 after doing lots of reading and research and talking to credible SOT guys and I'm now in the process of accessorizing and rigging them out. In fact.......my Promag 20rd drum just showed today (MD has shut down and replacement parts dried up as well since you made this video.....they didn't last long did they? Even with such a good product and reputation...) but regardless.......I do certainly appreciate your video and apologize if I came off as rude or ungreatful .......as that wasn't at all my intention. Was just an observation Max.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Money Shot Hey no problem. I think it’s good to question the method one uses to come to their conclusions or recommendations. Some get products to review and I would assume there may be a bias when this is the case. I don’t. I don’t have near enough views for manufacturers to bother with. But doing a follow up to this video is a great idea! Thanks for that. I will be glad to do that. People seem to have a lot of trouble with AK platform shotguns and I am thrilled to be able to help make the learning process easier because it’s worth it. So much fun and home defense to be had from these. I nearly gave up in frustration with mine. Now I have three and love them. Once you’re hooked, you’re hooked😉

[@thatclassic2896]

Nice video bro

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

that classic Thank you sir!😉

[@kamimayo8283]

Lol

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[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

El Sea Thanks for the input. Many times I’ve wanted to remaster this video for that reason. Early editing learning curve.

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[@jonathonblack3063]

Proper positioning will keep you from being stepped back. Silly video!! Like for children or something. Weird.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jonathon Black Did you notice how for the rest of the video I was able to pound out 8-10 shots of high brass at blazing fast speed with no noticeable recoil? The first Saiga 12 was an unconverted one with no muzzle break and the rest were my converted competition Saiga12 with a Molot Tank Brake. I did that to illustrate the huge difference a little modification like that can make. I have 3 Saiga 12s so I’m pretty familiar with them as well as how to manage recoil. Thanks for watching.

[@jonathonblack3063]

Max Headspace9mm Oooh Horse shit! Tell that to those not trained. You did not lean into it, standing straight up. I can run OO buck in semi-auto no comp with no issue. Again, lie to those who don’t know better. Un-subbed, you just demonstrated you are full of it.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jonathon Black Wow! Sorry to trigger your anger issues. Have a nice day.

[@jonathonblack3063]

Max Headspace9mm no tolerance for silly people pretending to be authorities on a subject. Pathetic to not just admit you weren’t positioned correctly before firing ur whatever

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Jonathon Black You are correct that you have no tolerance. You seem to be way too angry about a video on the web. Yes I agree I was not positioned correctly. Why does that make you angry? If you watch all the other shots I took in the rest of the video you see I do it correctly so why focus on one time when I don’t for whatever reason. Clearly you can see I demonstrate that I am capable of firing this shotgun effectively so why do you feel the need to blow your top about the time I don’t and act like I’m a criminal for doing so? This is kind of a crazy conversation, don’t you think? I mean seriously, tomorrow or a year from now will this really matter to anyone? Is it worth having a bad day over or thinking I’m a terrible person because once out of ten times I didn’t lean into the shot? Listen, I rarely shoot my unconverted Saiga12. It usually takes me a bit by surprise how much more recoil it has compared to my converted ones. So it pushed me back a bit. There I admit it. You win the argument. Am I forgiven?

[@fracturedhearts3734]

Like clockwork every time I get the cash to get a 20round drum cfire is out f stock...

[@fracturedhearts3734]

Could any of those be made to fit a SAS-12? I can get six rounder's but I would like a bit more.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Fractured Hearts I am one of those kind of guys who likes to figure out how to do stuff like that too. They are a different rock n lock system and I don’t know if they can be modified in some way to work but I do see a possibility that you could take a Saiga 12 stick mag, remove the spring and cut it near the top and join the bottom section mechanically to the top section of a SAS12 mag that has also been cut. Then you would create an extended mag that would lock into the SAS12. This procedure has been done many times by competitors who just want more capacity. I bet it would work but you would need to buy two mags to get the high cap mag you want.

[@fracturedhearts3734]

I made a 7 round out of two "3" round mags. . If I told you how I did it you would not believe me. Not sure I can hook up a two "5' rounder's .

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Fractured Hearts Haha! Well, how will you know till you try?😆

[@fracturedhearts3734]

Very true.I will give you a holler 1f it does.

[@fracturedhearts3734]

""UPDATE"" One 5 round and one 3 round magazine and One AK 30 round mag makes One 10 round SAS-12 magazine. Puts duct tape rubber bands staples and epoxy putty.