Cruising Almost DESTROYED Our Marriage!

[@sailawaymag]

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[@cruisingwiththe4bs]

Thank you for welcoming us along to the studio for this podcast, we had so much fun (yes I said fun and KZbin in the same context 😅) hopefully it gives a little insight into the world of cruising and KZbin and the fact it’s no walk in the park. Keep up the excellent podcast gents we have loved them all xx Rach xx😊

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for being our guests and being so candid. We're lucky to have you as our friends

[@cruisingwiththe4bs]

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[@TomandDomTravel]

Really enjoyed the honesty of this episode and how it can affect your personal life. Thank you for sharing

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching guys :)

[@sodiumlights]

Superb interview, thank you. Also, I wasn't surprised to hear Dan talking about the time and care he takes with filming ship tours. They are hands down the best on any channel.

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching and for leaving us such a lovely comment. It really is appreciated :)

[@EverAfterAdventures]

Such a refreshing interview guys, loved your honesty and openness about how cruising etc has impacted your lives x

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching Sam. Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@TravellingLightLisa]

Thanks to Tom and Rach @cruisingwiththe4bs for sharing this candid discussion and insight into your experiences as creators. It is a reminder that there are much more important things than KZbin. Just keep being yourselves and enjoy it. We have both said when the fun stops then so will we. As for the channels buying subscribers they cannot have any real sense of achievement or pride in building an empire on sand.

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching guys!

[@mtedwards]

This was a real eye opener! I'm not a new traveller, but I'm relatively new to the world of cruising (I've only been on a river cruise around Holland). I'm looking forward to my first ocean cruise next July. It's interesting watching vlogs from various KZbinrs, but I had no idea how competitive it was. I guess it must take the fun element out of it? Great interview, though.

[@TravelBlogJamie]

Very interesting indeed and some things here that do resonate with me, particularly the refusal of some cruise vloggers to condemn buying of followings just because they now realise their "good friends" are doing it. The hypocrisy of the "community" is real, as is the back-stabbing, the jealousy. I've seen and heard it. I have had so many lies told about me behind the scenes (even from people I would have once considered my friends), I just plough on ahead now and focus on what I love doing. By the way, I'm enjoying your interviewing skills / techniques and might I also add, in response to your comment about me, to be fair, you're nice blokes in real life too ;) Jamie X

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching Jamie, and for your flattering words ;)

[@Tulsa_Time]

Who's bad mouthing you?? Names! I want names! Nobody puts Jamie in the corner 😘 Just having a little tease🤭 kinda😉 Love you!❤

[@TravelBlogJamie]

@@Tulsa_Time maybe one day I’ll spill the beans 😉

[@kimmontague670]

Really enjoyed this podcast, frank and honest discussion from all! This gives a truly authentic perspective of the issues facing anyone looking to take this up as either a hobby or full time profession, well done to you all 😊

[@CruisewithSteve]

Great interview, lovely to hear the honesty and always enjoy the 4bs videos. Some of the cheating going on is so obvious even to me who doesn’t really use social blade it’s a shame.

[@abdvantage]

The lady's honesty is sooo refreshing, as is the honesty of the reality of supposedly making money while people forget the cost of cruises. People forget cruising is deemed to be for the few affluent

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching and for your support!

[@gerrymanning1766]

What channels are cheating? I need to know.

[@DanTheCruiser]

Great video! Couldn’t agree more about P&O, the P&O of 10+ years ago is no longer and can’t see it ever coming back! My memories of Oriana/Aurora when I was younger will always stay with me, they just don’t have the same feel or familiarity as they used to!

[@cherylemmanuel744]

I have just come back from Iona and I agree with you.

[@NorfolkEnchants]

Gran and I went on Britannia last year and it was dreadful, first P and O cruise and the last. So disappointing, I have been told to do the Fjords again but with Celebrity instead.

[@DanTheCruiser]

@@NorfolkEnchants 100% I’d consider Celebrity or Princess. Sorry to hear you had such a dreadful time on Britannia :(

[@ClaireD-bg8lu]

Thanks all, that was really interesting. I hope you do manage to find that happy medium, Rachel and Tom, which works for both of you. I would miss your channel if you stopped YouTubing. Thanks Sailaway Magazine for putting together this podcast!

[@lowdowntravel]

Very interesting,emotional and informative watch! As a minuscule KZbin channel we learnt a lot!

[@sailawaymag]

Glad you enjoyed it guys! Thanks for watching :)

[@cruisefraterpoultons]

Very interesting video, lots of topics covered and as a very small channel definitely learned some new things, for example KZbin cheats and the existence of social blade website. 👏👏 It was an honest & emotional episode at times which isn’t easy to lay it all out there 😍

[@sailawaymag]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching guys :)

[@cathyisgrigg1813]

I’m with you, I don’t understand giving up hard earned money to pay for someone else to go cruising.

[@NarrativeEscapes]

I agree about valid views and comments and people even saying you've made a change in their lives is the ultimate reward . I live for the handful of people each year who have said I changed their life in some small way (people bringing into solo travel) I have zero goal to make a living on KZbin and I would be very wary of having anything to sell or a set commitment to things like Patreon.

[@NarrativeEscapes]

The cruise vlog scene reminds me of the Disney vlog scene a decade or so ago. Hell, even some of those people transferred over post pandemic. All of what you mentioned has happened before and will happen again.

[@cathyisgrigg1813]

I love her honesty, and her regular life and family come first. Sweet woman❤

[@rachaeljones4681]

So many valid points and loving the honesty. Made me laugh out loud when group cruises weee mentioned. Done one and will not be doing another it was a total shambles. We went and did our own thing to have fun 😂

[@MainesOwn]

17:30 I am not aware of a Patreon for Emma, btw.

[@sailawaymag]

Emma Cruises defiantly has a Patreon. Would you like us to add the link for you?

[@MainesOwn]

@@sailawaymag Thank you very much, I will just ask her, she did not list it on her YT-Info, so I assumed ... wrongly, I guess. Thanks again!

[@sistersontheseas]

Another great podcast episode! We still can’t believe you didn’t stay overnight on Queen Anne 😅

[@TomandDomTravel]

😂😂

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching! Yes, I can still remember your look of utter disgust that we weren't, Laura ;)

[@anndunkerley6639]

Interesting discussion. Speaking as ‘just a viewer’, I wasn’t aware of this ‘cheating’ before. It has no effect on me though. When I watch a vlog and like it, I’ll watch another from the same channel. If that works for me too, I’ll subscribe. Finding that vlogs are poor and the channel has a disproportionate number of followers, has no effect on my view of vlogs in general on that topic. Good luck guys. Keep up the good work 💪

[@WendyKoek-e8x]

I love watching ship tours and glad that the couple you are talking to are doing ok all the best to them

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching. They're doing well and are in a much better place :)

[@WendyKoek-e8x]

@@sailawaymag that is so good to hear great news 😊

[@michaelhardy2327]

Good video , refreshing honesty

[@sailawaymag]

Refreshing honesty is what we're about. Thanks for watching :)

[@CruiseLife22]

I love youtube as a hobby bui it does take over a little with editing time. Great show by the way guys with many valid points.

[@sailawaymag]

It really does. Anybody that thinks video editing is a quick thing has never done it :)

[@richardparmenter188]

My biggest bugbear with bloggers is they change from their roots or they become irrelevant to my needs. If you find a winning formula just stick with it. Many end up becoming caricatures of what they started out as. Or the start bringing family members and the channel suddenly becomes a family blog. Of course things evolve but it should be a natural progression rather than forced Ben and David get a bad rap as they are seen as being negative but I trust their opinions over many as you never get the feeling it’s a paid promo vid. They stick to what they do religiously

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks for watching. We used to have respect for Ben and David, but that all changed when they were supposed to come on the podcast and backed out the day before as they weren't prepared to answer questions honestly, including "what is there least favourite cruise line and why". We got the impression that they don't want to rock any boat which could stop them from getting any free cruises from cruise lines. We also found them incredibly arrogant and pretentious when we met them in person. How they are in their videos seems to be an act.

[@richardparmenter188]

@@sailawaymag oh.. interesting. 🤔

[@karenparry367]

That was really interesting. Thank you. I had no idea about the cheating that goes on. I agree with you about P&O. We went on Arvia a few weeks ago after a break of 14 years and couldn’t believe how much it had changed and deteriorated. We found the experience stressful; everything from booking evening meals, quality of food, staff ratio to finding somewhere to sit outside in the day was hard work. Whilst it is cost effective as a family and I can see the attraction I would prefer to pay more and be happy. We really questioned the whole cruising concept and whether it’s for us. For the future we are now considering something like Azamara, even if we have less cruises. Regarding cruise vloggers I now prefer those who only upload content after their own cruises as it’s more meaningful. The weekly uploads by some vloggers just blur into one. Good luck to Sailaway and the 4bs x

[@DeborahHealey-m8w]

God I love you 2 how honest you are don't understand why people give thier hard earned money away for for other people too go on holiday so why do the bloggers say this has been paid for by themselves when it's money ftom the patrons

[@carolr9301]

I’ve enjoyed watching the cruisingwiththe4b videos. You make enjoyable videos. I hate reading the comments that are personal and really rude. How do you cope with the faceless trolls?

[@cruisingwiththe4bs]

Hi Carol, firstly thank you that’s lovely, as for the trolls it does affect me (Rach) however you just have to have a witty response and move on, some ppl just have nothing nice to say 🤷‍♀️

[@TravelwithUsLynnePaul]

@@cruisingwiththe4bs I (Lynne) am like you Rachel, I can deal with constructive critics but take it so personally when people are just nasty, rude and dismissive. The way I deal with it is to sit for a while and read through some of the lovely positive comments we get and that makes me feel that it’s worthwhile doing.

[@cruisingwiththe4bs]

@@TravelwithUsLynnePaul yeah definitely think that is best way to deal with, most are just looking for a reaction. Hope your both well

[@cathyisgrigg1813]

I just subscribed.

[@sailawaymag]

Thanks Cathy :)

[@JP-sj5zn]

God, if i came across “youtubers” people videoing, bloggjng or whatever, I’m afraid they would be on the receiving end of some sharp dialogue. I would be there to enjoy my cruise/holiday - NOT to see some jerks ruining the peace - thinking they are bloody Steven Spielberg. Cannot stand these people (or any others). ALL TOTALLY PRETENTIOUS👎🏻

[@sailawaymag]

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