POWERING ALUMINUM EXPEDITION SAILBOAT FOR ENDLESS ADVENTURE (AND APPLIANCES) - Ep 216

[@SailingJibsea]

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[@mindebrolis9582]

Probably my comment will just get lost somewhere, but guys we love your content and your personaloties. We always wait for your videos and are partially living pur dream through watching you. We are so stocked about your new boat and wish you all the best on your journeys ❤❤❤

[@bobcapen1682]

Have been watching you two since leaving Canada and going down the river((s). You have developed into a sound complimentary team that communicates well with each other and with us as viewers. Thanks for sharing!

[@SailingJibsea]

So glad to hear you’ve been along for the ride and thanks for the kind words!

[@maritimetees2315]

I have a similar setup with LiTime for over a year with no issues. I will recommend one change. This comes from Nigel Calder. Put all the batteries on a bus bar where they are linked instead of on the posts. The batteries will draw better. They have proven this over time, especially with lithium. It will mean you will need to crimp new cables. I have their ac to dc charger, and that works great. I also have their mppt and dc to dc charger. I put an on/offswitch on my dc to dc Charger because I have a nice solar array, and I am in sunny California. I just didn't want that stress on my alternator all the time.

[@SailingJibsea]

Good to hear positive feedback on them after a year. And yep I did mention that in the video as a better way to set it up, after I had already installed mine.

[@maritimetees2315]

​@SailingJibsea, sorry I was typing when I saw you putting on battery posts.

[@SailingZigZag1]

I am at 18 months on LiTine 6-100ah 12 volt mini batteries and they are working great. I am amazed with how much room you have on your boat to store all the kitchen stuff and the battery compartment. My Jeanneau 49 is short on storage spaces especially for kitchen appliances. I am going to try to copy your built in tool box if I can find a space.

[@grabasalad5945]

@@SailingJibsea I agree with @maritimetees2315 the effective cable length is different for the batteries as they are connected post to post. If you have 4 batteries with 3 interconnects then charge from battery1 to 4 has three times the resistance than charge traveling from battery 1 to 2 whereas connecting all 4 batteries to a bus bar using 4 cables of the same length for both positive and negative will mean that the distance from any battery to any battery is the same ignoring any resistance in the bus bars. I'm only at 12:43 at the moment but I assume you cover all exposed terminals with insulating caps so stray metal tools cant cause inadvertent arc welding moments... Great content though...

[@HopeOfJoe]

OMG 😱 This will be fun to cook and live with. Thanks for the list and the confirmation my so many other followers ‼️ Saved this episode as a reference for when we outfit our boat. See you next time. ✨🌊💨⛵️⚓️🏝️👙🌞✨

[@bigriggs22]

We put 920ah litime on our sailboat. Been working great last six months, the difference is massive!

[@annaherlinger6316]

LOL finally someone who has as many appliances on their boat as I do. No rice cooker, but we use our microwave! Enjoy!

[@concherover]

You can never have enough power... Great Video.

[@broadz3199]

So excited for (as I have no doubt you both are) the two of you! So much fun getting new toys 😁

[@svStargate]

Love these boat refit series.. how about making a removable panel for isolating the batteries from engine heat, so you can remove it if needed in higher latitudes? Also, I’ll encourage you to install a busbar, and wire each battery individually to it. Main reason is that you can fuse each battery individually, which is highly advisable for lithiums…. You know why!

[@KeriSVLateLunch]

Love my induction top on board so much! Highly recommend getting the Lazy K induction cooktop mat to put between your cookware and the cooktop to prevent the pot or pan from slipping at a rolly anchorage. Have fun with all your new gadgets and amp hours.

[@SailingJibsea]

We will definitely look into that Lazy K mat! Thanks for the tip!

[@paulhenry8174]

Love the stick blenders! The food saver will get tons of use. The induction plate is fast and efficient. Good choices one and all love the built in adaptability.

[@davidnichols147]

Travis, nice set up with the new batteries. Love of new appliances Steph, real sweet.

[@jesuschrist-alphaomega]

Great educational video. I was really charged up when I saw the topic, You make it real easy to power through to the end . the whole episode is electrictfying 😅😅

[@wadeterheide8873]

Love your Vlog! You might find that an instant pot takes the place of your rice cooker and pressure cooker while being more efficient and versatile, plus it would leave your induction stove free to do other things. Love the new Aluminum sail boat!

[@SailingJibsea]

We used to have one of those but wanted the stove top pressure cooker to be able to use it on both the induction cooktop and on the gas stove :)

[@haydenwatson7987]

With all of those electrical gizmos, you should have installed four 460Ah batteries. 😉 It looks like your batteries are in 4d cases. I was able to find 460Ah batteries in 4d cases and you will love the increase in storage.

[@jimdavitt1169]

Hi Steph and Travis, another great vid indeed. With the batteries, the AGMs are very heavy. Perhaps you could wire up a 12vdc starter circuit with the new LI batts and keep a small travel jumper as a backup. I like your videoos so much and especially how super clean you keep everything. You guys are amazing, and fun too. Thanks for the vids. Stay safe. Slainte!

[@gsftom]

Great video. Enjoyed it.

[@SailingJibsea]

Glad to hear it!

[@stevemacmillan2116]

Great video. Sweet set up there Trav.

[@lacfilms8345]

Whoops. Not the word you wanna hear, as a crew member from your Captain. Same thing applies from your Dentist. Appliances matter - for personal creature comforts in remote anchorages. $29.95 seems to be the starting price point if you're interested. So long as that battery compartment stays cool with some air flow - with quick cut off option & fire ext. close by- mission accomplished Travis.

[@Matt-e4x]

Air Conditioning is the biggest power eater, since it runs the most, in the warmer climates.

[@jonathanscott550]

Nice video and for sure you'll be off grid sufficient.

[@SailingJibsea]

Yep! We’re getting there.

[@johnlang150]

OMG, Travis, you put a "O" ring around her her fingers ( and a BEATUIFUL NEW RING) and she is spending all your cash already LOL, well Stef is a caught so let her spend LOL or are you spending all Stef's cash LOL.. Love the Vid's guys, can't wait to see your next voyage . wish I knew your were in town during the summer could have gotten you free dockage (MYC) (etc) which I think in your first vid you stayed just outside on your first vid..

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Instead of having a low temperature cutoff, use a heated battery. Many Lithium Iron Phoshpate batteries now have heaters to maintain performance and allow charging in lower temperatures. No one wants to roll over. Please secure the batteries. Always fully cover all battery terminals. Having them exposed is dangerous; among other things, a fire hazard. Same with the bus bars. Agree with the other comments: bus bar with equal length cables to each battery is the correct way to do it. Without that the batteries can get out of balance.

[@lucverbeeke3311]

Travis, i am installing a li time upgrade myself and was very surprised you mentioned you would not use the 12V/12V booster from li time as it was not an isolated one. However as I see you have a common ground for your engine and alternator and housebank? So why not using the Li Time booster?

[@MsDenisejoyce]

Travis you can look into a starter battery .. it's called Skeleton SnelStart 12V.. it is an ultra capacitor that gets fed by the house bank and the third stud goes directly to the starter and it weighs 20lbs .. I have used it for years and now Together with my Epoch batteries.

[@pmacgowan]

Normally the low temp cutoff is to prevent charging when too cold (which can dammage them), you should still be able to use them with a reduced amperage though

[@Briguy28ca]

It must have been an arms day!! lol

[@DVolvoguy777-x7o]

Travis, that’s a nice and tidy install you have there sir. Well done. Stephanie, you got a washer dryer yet? Great vid and good on ya for getting over the 50k hill! On the way to 100K!! ❤

[@DVolvoguy777-x7o]

On that note…. Travis the new He-Man… “I HAVE THE POWER!!!!!” Nice job on the lithium install!

[@brownnoise357]

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[@damcc806]

I may be repeating what someone already said (I didn't read all of the comments) - - - when you are running the power through an inverter (120v) then you calculate amps by dividing by 120v not 12v as you did. Just trying to help. So the amps for the espresso machine is 11.25 amps not 112.5 as you calculated.

[@SailingJibsea]

We’re coverting to amperage draw from our main power source which is a 12 volt DC power.

[@donaldhoudek2889]

You mentioned that each of the battery connections between batteries are the same length, but you did not mention if the cables that go to the boats negative connection and the systems positive connection are also the same length? Great video

[@chrissterba501]

Really liked this video. Nicely arranged batteries, connections, and controllers! Looks like artwork honestly! I also really liked the breakdown of the appliances. Sounds like you hit Black Friday deals in Panama as well as Amazon. I recently picked up a Roto-Q 360 (manual, wind up rotisserie; no power). I'm hoping to use this in my smoker to do Duck this Thanksgiving. If you have any recommendations on brine, rubs, glaze, please share (unless secretly withholding for the Jibsea II cookbook:-) ). Wish you both happy upcoming holidays!

[@bryanirwin5473]

Consider changing the DC side to 24v if you can do it easily. Much more efficient

[@Rob-r2s]

I've heard that lithium batteries have so many cycles before they go bad. If you drain them down to something like 20% or less than that is considered a cycle used. If you always keep them above the cycle than they can last forever. Is this basically true? Yes, I know that things don't last forever. I was thinking about getting Winston Lifepo lithium batteries like Sailing Life on Jupiter has. I'm not sure what model I'll get but what sold me on these batteries are their large plates inside the batteries. I think that they are one of the only companies that makes lithium batteries with large and thick plates which seem to be superior over other methods of making lithium batteries. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

All batteries have cycle lives. Lithium Iron Phosphate, which are now nearly universal in recreational marine use, have cycle lives in the multiple thousands of full cycles. As a practical matter, for a properly designed system, that's probably multiple decades of use. Other Lithium ion chemistries have lower cycle life but generally aren't used on boats. They also have significantly more potential safety issues. Which is also why they're generally not used. The cycle life also strongly depends on the depth of the cycle (how much energy is drawn from them before recharging). It's why a larger battery bank will have a longer life than a smaller one, for a given amount of energy use. And why it's better to charge more often, including from solar. Thick plates is an idea from Lead acid batteries, and doesn't really apply here. Buying cells directly from China is a bad idea since there are so many disreputable sellers of basically rejects. (Same with solar panels.) Stick with known western brands like Victron, etc.

[@MrAnthism]

what's the use of the dc to dc charger???

[@FlyMeAirplane]

You sure you don't have to have an air gap between the battery's for cooling?

[@wrobelda]

You may want to reconsider installing the batteries right next to the engine, it will most likely significantly reduce their lifespan and can potentially even cause thermal runoff.

[@SailingJibsea]

That’s the only spot we’ve got for them atm

[@pierremitham2964]

with LifePO4 its exceedingly rare that thermal runoff can even happen

[@wrobelda]

@@pierremitham2964 spontaneously, yes, but if you help it with abnormally high temps?

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

The word is runaway, and as Pierre correctly notes, Lithium Iron Phosphate are highly unlikely to experience thermal runaway. It's due to the chemistry and battery physics. Other Lithium ion chemistries can have thermal runaway, but those chemistries are increasingly uncommon in marine use.

[@sailpac]

I thought the cold only hurt when charging not discharging...........And why would they get that cold anyway when inside the boat?

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Cold climates like high latitude sailing. Many batteries now have heaters. I would recommend ones with heaters.

[@fountainvalley100]

You are kind of stuck with keeping a lead/acid battery for the alternator. Alternators self destruct if connected to a battery management system that disconnects the alternator from the battery. Which is what happens with lithium batteries.

[@grahamwoliter9649]

Did you bring into account your fridge and freezer.

[@SailingJibsea]

Yes we always have run a fridge and freezer so we were just showing the additional galley appliances we are now running with the upgraded battery system

[@rockylockhart7301]

Buying the right combination and components is confusing in my mind.. Since I am worried about price it is a little overwhelming knowing what exactly we will need from solar to wiring to charge controller output and bus bars to fuses etc.. In my mind it’s already together but reality nope.. Thanks for another great video..

[@rayb3117]

You are like s kid in a candy store Steph. Lol. We got this thingamabob for just $12 in Panama.

[@SailingJibsea]

😂😂

[@DanielTiffany-o8i]

It only takes a few bad apples 🍎 🍏 to spoil the barrel. My saying of the week. lol what it’s worth. lol 😂

[@EdmundRobinson]

Do you guys have a stray current sensor? Absolutely necessary. See what has recently happened to Gone with the Wynns channel; and that's not even a aluminum boat.

[@jimwilson4876]

Still a little bit confused with you amps, think a typical house receptacle is 15 amps and 20 amps in kitchens

[@SailingJibsea]

In a typical house you’re not running everything off of a 12v inverter like we are to convert AC appliances to DC amperage draws

[@peterbird8161]

I was always taught not to have lithium and lead acid batteries in the same space.

[@DanielTiffany-o8i]

You have too many toys 🧸.

[@SoItGoesCAL34]

Washing machine?

[@SailingJibsea]

The storage we have in our shower was built specifically to fit a Splendide but we’ve used it as storage for now…but maybe one day?! 🤞🏼

[@arthur4818]

Another channel that turned into one big advertisement.

[@jwyz1981]

Your amperage calculations are way off. You are off one decimal point. 1100 watts divided by 120v is 9.1 amps. Not 91 amps. 91 amps of power is huge and you could never power it on your boat.

[@Mechone11]

Not on the dc side the amps are huge

[@SailingJibsea]

I mentioned in the vid that I was referring to the conversion from AC wattage to DC amperage draw as we run everything off 12v

[@LaRussell-hd6ry]

Prior comment abou🎉t real amperage is correct

[@paulhunter4413]

That’s a serious amount of usable power . 900ah. With the agms you only had 210ah of usable power. You will have to keep an eye on them to see the recovery rate. A lot of power means a lot of charging. At a full 60a of charging would take 15 hours to charge from 20 percent to full. But lithium loves solar so every watt counts. I hope it all works well.