Saints Row Is A Buggy, Soulless Mess

[@Indigo_Gaming]

This feels like one of those "Amazing Unreal 5 Remakes" of your favorite game that video game websites love to write articles about, but somehow went on to become a full game, without any idea of how to build a compelling story or why the originals were so beloved.

[@JonnyHorseman]

Volition hired "this man"

[@HHTwice]

@@JonnyHorseman yeah, Diversity Hires lmao

[@JonnyHorseman]

@@HHTwice they use unreal engine in any way they can

[@JonnyHorseman]

@Lucas Gonzalez same

[@ainbo9022]

That's like all modern day media

[@VB-92]

If game companies go down the "It's okay, we'll just fix it after launch." route, then wouldn't "It's okay, I'll just buy it when it's a fixed and fully functional product." be the go to attitude for consumers?

[@Noperare]

People still buy games on release? I wait at least 6 months for the patches, maybe an year to get it 50% off.

[@Uncle.Grapes]

@@Noperare hell, some idiots still pre-order games, DIGITAL games that will never run out of stock

[@MrNegativecreep07]

It should be, but people will always pre-order because they have to have the new product.

[@SgtZaqq]

@@Noperare every time a AAA game appears on Steam available for pre-purchase, it's in top sellers for weeks...

[@USBEN.]

You think too highly of us humans.

[@EchoTheWorld03]

Saints Row and the developers have gone to a point where it's literally the "How do you do fellow kids" meme

[@RangerxTurbo]

Well that's what we get for never having the same original devs

[@Ronbotnik]

@@requiemagent3014 are YOU high? thats literally what he said

[@dun0790]

You'd think as a prequel they would take advantage of a specific time period but I can't tell what era this is meant to be modern mixed with 90s?

[@gialy1]

I still rembember the streaming with signs written "We are doing this for you og fans" " we love you guys" on it. and then call them gorillas on twitter because they don't appreciate the new game.

[@dudemanjones11]

Have you seen the mission where you have to get out of bed and toast the waffle? Its painfully obvious that the devs are trying to be like "uhhuuh look at this haha we're so quirky and relatable right guys"

[@weeboo9726]

I love how saints row 3 and 4 predicted the series' own corporate downfall. They were self aware enough to know a new game every few years wasn't a good thing

[@01What10]

They were right. Every franchise that pumps out the same game with a new coat of paint is always going to give diminishing returns. It's better to come up with something new and fun than continue to repeat the same formula again and again. Don't get me wrong, I've played plenty of those kinds of games like anyone else. But at some point- you can only play the same game over and over again and be left wanting.

[@SocksRocker]

For me, it was when the devs started giving people shit for being skeptical about the game, that instantly worried me about how the remake was going to come out.

[@deviction9314]

When did that happen ? I’m genuinely asking , if it happened then yeah I agree that’s shitty of them

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

Yeah, when devs start to be arrogant, you know they've fucked up and know it. Typical illness suffered by people who think they are always right.

[@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241]

How does it feel having all your favorite developers retire and be replaced in the company by a new generation of young devs who have absolutely no fucking clue how to make a game? Because that's what's been happening to almost every company you loved.

[@K3vyB]

@Mcheetah Don't equate those fucking wastes of space with the rest of us, most of us millennials are working on games right now trying to resurrect the golden age of gaming philosophy of game design, but the amount of red tape and worthless social science cunts that are in the way sitting in positions of influence in most companies are just too much, we're in dire need of an implosion so we can get rid of these shitheads and games can once again be made by gamers, for gamers. It's absolutely infuriating how people with 0 care about gaming weaseled their way in, a lot of that is due to SJW pressure and other such nonsense by shrieking minorities.

[@LeonLein82]

@@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 it really is though. Look at the folk behind Watchdogs Legion, GTA remasters and Mass Effect Andromeda, all of the devs are how you described and those games turned out pretty shitty

[@skog2963]

"The Netflix adaptation of Saints Row" is the perfect description from what I've seen

[@eddychaosofpain244]

😂😂😂😂😂 let it crashed and burn This my saints row third and 4 2 and saints row 1 need remastered by thqnordic it would be great again,

[@mrburns366]

Amazon prime.. 😄

[@saloz9483]

When I saw the characters they gave me watch dog 2 vibes. So the netflix quote aint off. Who thinks these are fun characters to be around.

[@Ozzianman]

@@saloz9483 WD2 actually had some effort put into the characters, they were likeable enough despite the sheer contrast in personality and the shit they do. WD1 the better game tho. Saints Row... This is an insult to Netflix Adaptations, this can't be compared due to how shit the characters and story is.

[@saloz9483]

@@Ozzianman Cant agree. WD2 characters were cringy and annoying. I wanted to actually choke them all out. It seems like this Saints Row has that same problem

[@soggysalami9120]

"The Saints' legacy ends here - not with a bang, but with a whimper." Killbane's words couldn't have aged better.

[@jamesduncan6729]

Spot on man, spot on 👍🏻❤️

[@supergamer1122]

It ended with saints 2 after that it was just blah

[@vash_the_stampede6570]

@@supergamer1122 Bro SR3 was a banger too stop it

[@vash_the_stampede6570]

Killbane foreshadowing power 100%

[@jamesduncan6729]

@@vash_the_stampede6570 Trigun is sick, bro 🤘🏻

[@dorbei]

It's games like these that make you understand why the retro gaming scene has been thriving so much in the last couple years.

[@NayrAuhsoj]

Yeah, pixels are a lot easier than actual graphics lmfao

[@luichinplaystation610]

Because they where videogames first and foremost

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@@luichinplaystation610 This really feels like Ride to Hell/buggy Cyberpunk 2077 version of Sunset Overdrive with Saints Row brand name slapped into it.

[@The-Anathema]

A while ago I was wondering if I had just become cynical and jaded or if old games actually were better (for example by focusing on being fun games first and foremost instead of trying to be "addictive" skinnerboxes whose sole purpose is to squeeze as much money out of you as possible), but I'm fairly sure it's that new games just suck for the most part.

[@goldbullet50]

Haven't bothered myself with new games for years...

[@Freyar]

SR2: "There's no statute of limitation on murder!" "Why the fuck not?!" SR3: Making all the money because cash is king and they're too good at it. SR4: We're the good guys. Well.. At least not as bad. SR: "Ah no, our student loans, lol Twitter!"

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

I still can't believe the whole premise of this reboot is to pay off student loans. Like who came up with this shit?

[@UncleSev]

@@TheyWantMeGone69 Besides the writers being talentless hacks with ZERO experience, I will say a bunch of woke wankers who hate the previous games

[@kneeofjustice9619]

@@TheyWantMeGone69 someone with student loans.

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

@@kneeofjustice9619 exactly

[@ES315]

@@TheyWantMeGone69 Someone who spends too much time on Reddit

[@bobby_c07]

What's funny about these soulless "modern adaptions" of a pre established franchises, is how they don't even nail the new "thing" they're trying to do. Alienate old fans, and don't even create something good enough to warrant new fans. It's amazing.

[@WllKiedSnake]

That's because these new fans don't buy the games being aimed at them.

[@UserName-tv1sy]

Only hipsters are playing this game

[@jjjmadness8306]

That's pretty much the problem with all these "modern adaptions" they take what people love before and butcher it, completely miss the point of why people love the original and end up alienating everyone due to how terrible. It's all so tiresome.

[@ThaRajaTrilogy]

Man it will always be goofy kids who will just buy a game cause of the name and not just buy but pre order and these companies know that so it’s screw the adults with sense and target the goofy ones I hate the state the gaming community has landed in and sadly the way these new age gamers move it’s only gonna get worst ppl think it’s a flex to pre order when it’s ruining the quality we get in our games

[@axt2]

@@WllKiedSnake this is what happens when you make a game to cater to twitter bots. When are companies going to understand these aren't real people and/or a minority of people who are arguably mentally ill and certainly not going to play your game anyway.

[@aquariuskudo]

The fact that EVERYONE saw this coming is hilarious lol.

[@ThisUsernameSystemF-ckingSucks]

@@Elatenl some people literally enjoy watching paint dry.

[@TheMetalCorpser]

@@Elatenl *Some people Saints Row games were niche as they were even for the better previous games. This will flop and it'll be quite hilarious when that data comes out.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

@@Elatenl I've seen people "enjoying" Battlefield 2042

[@blanddull6881]

@@Elatenl not enough to make another one, this is gonna kill the series lol

[@peepsbates]

That one meme of a guy squatting over a plate where someone asks "What are you doing shitting on my plate?" And r/Saintsrow being like "WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S SHIT IT'S NOT OUT YET"

[@realkaibr]

As a 20 year old, to clarify the dialogue on this game feels like all the WORST comedy from 2010-2012.

[@ChrisSealy1997]

It really does feel exactly like that I much prefer the cops and robbers parody of SR1 and SR2

[@TheSoulGage]

If I'm a part of Gen Z, then this is ain't it.

[@mongrel_97]

it's so bad. it's the same in watch dogs 2, and i actually love that game. if the characters were just shy of 20 years old then yeah ok it's normal to be irrational, goofy, etc. but the characters in SR2022 and WD2 are all in their mid 30s. irl gangsters are lucky to reach 21! i know it's a tounge in cheek game from day 1 but you dont just wake up in your 30s and suddenly you're a hardened criminal it's just shit character writing.

[@kingsleycy3450]

The advancement in graphics technology led to the detriment of graphics artistry. All the game worlds look the same these days. Soulless is really the right word for it.

[@Souldestroy199]

Funny considering this game looks like ass

[@crawlingchaos2811]

Used to be realistic now its overwatch fortnite style big titles hardly ever innovated visuals

[@theoutlawking9123]

Exactly, they think because these games nowadays look great that they don't need to play great!

[@austinbatton4849]

@@crawlingchaos2811 and you virgins hardly ever come up with an original comment, just crying about the same shit

[@EyefyourGf]

Advancement in graphics?where are they in this game?no really the game looks worse then gta 5 which came out in 2013! Gta 5 shits on it hard in every fkn aspect,these developers suck balls,never had pretty or interesting game or good gameplay.

[@WraithOfMan]

As soon as I saw the interview with the devs saying that it was The Current Year and that the humour and tone of the old games was "problematic", I knew exactly what to expect out of this train wreck.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Problematic lol. That's the whole idea. Can't stand this stupidity...

[@thelostone4303]

Problematic... to people too stuck on Twitter to bother playing video games in the first place.

[@legojay14]

Problematic elements? The hell are they on about. One of the main characters of this is literally what my black friends consider a stereotype in himself of a Poindexter looking black kid who is over the top nerdy. That's not "progressive" to them. That's just pandering to people who like stereotypes that claim to be positive

[@DamienDarkside]

The old games let you choose who you wanted to be. It didn't matter that the protagonist was a fat woman with a male British accent that walked into a club with only a towel and a baby bib, we're here to fuck bitches and get money. Meanwhile Johnny Gat takes hold of his Asian identity and doesn't back down from anybody, while being with one of the biggest female stars of his time. Pierce Washington was an amazing black man that you'd actually SLOW DOWN IN A GANG GAME TO HEAR OFF TONE SINGING FROM because you and your best friend were genuinely having a fun time, incredibly smart and talented. Shaundi literally went through a whole PTSD arc after being a girl who fucked around for drugs, then she reclaimed her own identity and sexuality for herself and became the strongest girl in the Saints. I highly doubt the new "diverse" characters could hold a candle to the nuances and complexity of The Saint's. They're problematic because they're reflections of humanity, and we're not exactly the most balanced form of logic and emotion. Played for satire and given great roles.

[@MyAramil]

But. . . that was the point, it was over the top and made fun of everyone.

[@Shmurph]

The protagonists being younger didn't ever really bother me, but it somehow never occurred to me that we'd be dealing with writing from 30-40 somethings who have no idea how 20-somethings actually behave and thus end up with the same out-of-touch dialogue that plagues young adult television.

[@motherurck7542]

The studio hired a bunch of millennials when they were making this game. Shit, I just realized millennials are 30 to 40 year olds...

[@grindcoreninja6527]

@@motherurck7542 Yeah, I'm a "young" millennial and I'm 28.

[@Chamiliatic]

Right? I'm 23 and we don't act like this at all.

[@aleigor450]

@@Chamiliatic I'm 31 and I don't imagine 23yo are acting like this. The whole phase of hashtags and social media is really 10 years old now, almost has been.

[@voidishprattles4319]

Yeah I honestly just wish they'd write about people their age even if it didn't make sense just so the characters can be a little less god awful.

[@yurisei6732]

I saw the HP bars and immediately knew everything I needed to know. Those are looter shooter / live service / gear grinder HP bars. You don't do them in anything else unless you don't know what you're doing.

[@NayrAuhsoj]

You can turn them off. What a weird thing to judge a game on in the first place, these comments are ridiculous

[@patrez8384]

Yeah you can turn them off, but that doesnt remove the bullet sponge from enemy headshots where you pump whole mag to the fucking head and enemy is still standing.

[@dontspeaktoelectrohead1491]

@@NayrAuhsoj So if I shit on your doorstep but you wear a blindfold, does that mean you won't step in said shit when you walk outside?

[@chinossynthesizer705]

@@dontspeaktoelectrohead1491 no because he walked through the back door

[@dontspeaktoelectrohead1491]

@@chinossynthesizer705 Ok but the pile of shit is still sitting on your door step and the longer it stays there the harder it becomes to remove. Nice fail at a gotcha though

[@RanmyakuIchi]

I halfway expect a scene in this game where a pair of Gat's shades land on the protags face, they look in a mirror, and say "Not in a million years"

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

🤢 🤮

[@Necrosian]

I hope you step into a puddle with socks on for reminding me DMC exists.

[@baroquechevalier8516]

You just hate it because he's not wearing shades!

[@absolutelyflawless8094]

I also half expected in the credits of the game, it shows a extra scene of one of the developers flipping off the player as they ride on a skate board.

[@mark-gj4mb]

Hey at least the DmC reboot actually worked on launch lmao

[@senbontorii2680]

If they made it a story about a bunch of kids in their late teens, early twenties, who were enamoured by gangs, and they form their own thinking it will be like the movies, only to realise the hard way that it's actually really brutal and nasty, that could have been a compelling story. But this is just sad.

[@DimkaSulegnaa]

That straight up would’ve been great. Have them be inspired by the SR3 version of the saints and they walk into stuff that you’d encounter in the first two games. That type of plot can write itself.

[@YakuzaWu]

“But muh student loans”

[@B3rten]

I don't know if this happens in the game but this is my few cents to your suggestion. They get enamoured by gang life seeing it on tv (movies, series and music) and video games. They get so disillusioned by how it actually is that they think it's easy money and take a go at it. At first things go alright, they are small fish in a big pond and haven't caught any attention yet. Simply selling drugs or something, nothing too big (no murders yet). But eventually they get jumped by the (or one of) the gangs of the city. One of the original crew dies and this serves as a reality check for the crew. Slowly but surely they become the desensitised killers like the Saints in Stilwater and Steelport. Perhaps at the ending of the game one of the crew say they are going with a couple of the gang to start up a new set in a different city. The pc drops the person of at the airport and as that person walks to the terminal the camera pans up to see: "Stilwater departure 5 mins."

[@JimmyKilmister]

Basically Goodfellas

[@GlareanLiebertine]

@@B3rten based af

[@c.9345]

When you alienate your core audience, openly call them haters for having concerns, completely abandon the theme of the franchise to try and please a new audience that are never pleased with anything, implement cringe dialogue and overused outdated humor, rush the product out before it's even finished. You get what you deserve 🙂

[@2emo2function]

That's literally every saints row

[@AnthroGearhead]

The fact that the devs have no regrets, really shows what the world has become

[@ElPatron42069]

You know what's sad, Rockstar is doing the same thing with GTA 6 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@AnthroGearhead]

@@ElPatron42069 got solid proof where the game is in making ??

[@HypnoChode74]

@@2emo2function not really difference is that past games didn’t pander to weirdos an freaks on twitter.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Honestly, Saint's Row IV would've had the most excuse for reality breaking physics since it was basically the Matrix. The super jumps reminded me The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction.

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Fair point

[@dexocube]

At this point, a game being finished at launch is like a work of genius or something

[@jaysonovo4778]

Right. Gotta say, it's the internet and online gaming that screwed everything up. I love online gaming as opposed to single player. But by the ps4/Xbox one Era, they reliled on everyone having internet, so they can't patch broken games. To fix old games way back in the day, they needed to send out new discs, or just accept their game is trash.

[@BoleDaPole]

I'd rather have a buggy game at launch and fixed within a year rather than devs being forced to work long hours just for our sick sense of joy and entitlement. Crunch isn't cool.

[@aniszbd]

@@BoleDaPole As a customer I want full non-broken games for the $60 I spend on it, how the devs make it is not my concern, it's on the devs and their publisher. Although I don't think this is a game for gamers, but for those blue-haired freaks on twitter.

[@Mi1kMan-9266]

Seeing Elden Ring launch pretty much finished genuinely shocked me considering we've had back to back unfinished games

[@UserName-tv1sy]

@@BoleDaPole wtf did I just read holy shit

[@roys.1889]

Eli being a reference to Kinzie is hilarious. Eli is the kinda person Kinzie would bully.

[@canislupid2466]

Or probably just shoot out of sheer disgust

[@Drone8900]

Yeah they aren't really all that comparable out of 'nerd with glasses'. Kinzie was a nerd but she was also insanely pragmatic and paranoid. She was also a bit of a sexual deviant.

[@satanism_rocks]

even Matt would bully him

[@oneshotw1z630]

Even Donnie had more testosterone than most characters in the reboot lmao

[@morganfitch8325]

@@oneshotw1z630 Fucking Josh Birk did. How the hell do you manage to not only make a character more pathetic than Josh Birk, but an entire CAST of them!?

[@ashesx773]

"Looking like people who don't play video games but still gets offended by them". Thats some bars dude. Great line. The reason this game and many others have been completely ruined

[@AFGuidesHD]

Well as Todd also said "sometimes it doesn't just work".

[@jakesoros2376]

Great to see you here man.

[@IamaPERSON]

@e sup trash

[@Jxcksonn]

Yeah just right before he shot that kid off the dirt bike..

[@woopdashoop9860]

Ayy the based man here

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

“It just works.”

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

I think the fire hydrants are supposed to launch you as like a jump boost but the water doesn't spawn so it just looks like you just fly up.

[@IamaPERSON]

@Lamlela Matsiliza can you help flag the bot?

[@IamaPERSON]

@@bad1080 no, the one with the link.

[@adams6473]

The water doesn't spawn? That's news to me

[@HoLDoN4Sec]

its not quite like that. my assumption is that its supposed to work like fire hydrants in GTA4 did, water starts going up and when you go over it the water would lift your car up slightly. i think in SR2 the same sort of mechanic with fire hydrants was also used. this is definitely a bug, both in terms of the water textures not showing up and in terms of the broken gravity physics of this game causing anything that goes over a hydrant to shoot to the moon.

[@LactoseFreeCappa]

"Smells like, privilege in here" That's all I need to hear from a protagonists mouth for me to never touch this.

[@abstr4cted496]

Straight sjw gutter trash.

[@TheRealLetharos]

Fragility detected

[@musicology3552]

@@TheRealLetharos it's basically a "bigot sandwich" situation here. The writings on the wall and I know for a fact I'm not the target audience for upper middle class self hating white dude with a women's studies degree.

[@hunterkiller1984]

But..but..Muh DiverSty...Muh Ebil Capitalizm.....

[@cassidy8307]

I'm a leftist and even I can't stand the "woke" stuff like that. Really cringe and out of place.

[@AidanDownes_KH]

Still love the fact they gave us saints row 3 with the deluxe Edition almost if they knew we’d rather play that then this soulless mess of a game.

[@XradicalD]

I remember everyone being VERY skeptical about the game direction (being a reboot without the original cast, and SPECIALLY the kind writing they were going for) and the devs being like "Nah you're all crazy, it's going to be great!" and well here we are. I can forgive bugs and glitches to an extent but honestly the writing is just awful. I'm not saying 3 and 4 were masterpieces or anything but it had actual fun moments. 1 and 2 had a serious tone and portrayed gang violence with a level of seriousness. I think Gman saying this is the "Netflix version" of Saints row really hit the nail in the head: a souless adaptation of a beloved franchise with questionable writing and decharacterization of the cast. Honestly a damn shame, maybe I'm getting old but I don't think I can handle any more "Borderlands" writing in games anymore.

[@Laneous14]

I mean I played The Third like 5 years after release, but was that riddled with bugs when it first came out?

[@drakkenmensch]

They wanted to be timely and they just ended up so far behind the times.

[@purple7filth]

I think they just need to flesh the game out more with a DLC for each of the characters, hopefully even a next-gen release for the ps6 eventually! I know if we all beg Volition they'll invest even more money into this franchise to share it's bountiful boon to the world! I'm positive everyone would give them the money if they invested even more of their money into this game they just need convincing.

[@BunnLilah]

Lol to be fair, did you expect the devs to say "you guys are right, this thing we've been paid to work on for years is gonna suck"? Of course they're gonna say it's good regardless of the actual quality. Other than that though, you're on point. Borderlands 3 is such a good game from the looting and shooting but I play it with the dialogue volume on 0...it's that bad.

[@decarus834]

@@BunnLilah Well they could always roll back on to that one saying "if you dont have anything good to say, then dont say anything at all." like most good devs. but im leaning into the "they are to far deluded" camp at this point as they are really wanting to piss off thier fans in a weird twisted way, so who knows.

[@DinnyForst]

"Haters Gonna Hate" they said. Pretty much this direction of design want fans to hate even more. Sad to see another franchise went downhill just to chase wacky trends or to be over the top.

[@Celestialnighthawk]

No one ever said that😂😂

[@BoxingDawg]

@@Celestialnighthawk Saints Row official twitter page said that, why u dumb?

[@Badguy292]

@@Celestialnighthawk They did though, look up the developer's response to backlash over the teaser. "Hater's gonna hate" is pretty on-point for paraphrasing it.

[@xxprototypexx5056]

@@Celestialnighthawk yes they did actually. They called everyone who didn't like the trailer a hater.

[@SuzukiCabs]

@@Celestialnighthawk do you live under a rock?

[@imkirbo3094]

"If a gang member in a Saints Row game looks like someone you could beat up in real life then something's gone horribly wrong"

[@sartorialdriver6528]

Why are the other Saints gang members fat?

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@digifalc0087 The original Saints Row was great, featuring Johnny Gat, nice graphics, the gritty city of Stilwater, character customization, and hip-hop music, but the flaws is the lack of female player character, less humor, the gameplay being more like GTA: SA, and frame-rate issues. Saints Row 2 makes the original even better, female player character, humor for gameplay, darker tone for story, less GTA gameplay, and dual-wield weapons. The Third considered to be nothing like the first two games (more humor, Steelport, and the changes of Shaundi's appearance) but still had Johnny Gat and Shaundi, as well as more customization options (except clothing, which downgraded). Saints Row IV had super-powers and had alien-invasion story which feels out-of-place for a Saints Row game. Agents of Mayhem is Saints Row as a Crackdown game, but suffers a buggy launch. This game is really nothing like Saints Row and takes place in New Old West-setting with Idols being a rip-off of Sunset Overdrive's Scabs, the player character models being also ripped-off Fortnite's, and even had new characters that past games' characters doesn't return, but at least more customization than past games' customization.

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@digifalc0087 Saints Row 2's graphics looks weird compared to the original; instead of keeping colorful visuals with massive lighting effects, here being washed-out, downgraded lighting effects, and the shade of blue/green (Taxi being yellow-green instead of yellow-orange in the original game).

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@digifalc0087 And yes, Saints Row 2022 reboot is more like Sunset Overdrive and Fortnite but in the New Old West, with Idols being a rip-off of SO's Scabs and even one of the preset Boss looks like it came from Fortnite.

[@maniisteadycreepin1876]

@@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher there are female characters protagonist and antagonist.

[@Kastrenzo74]

"We're only interested in quality games, we wont sell crap games" - Tim Sweeney on the Epic Games store

[@goshkakoshka2902]

Yet I saw this game advertised for pre-purchase on EGS!

[@kaydee66781]

“We won’t sell crap games. So about some NFT and crypto? We’re cool with that, unlike that loser Valve!”

[@matthewweiss8579]

This is new gaming in a nut shell. How do games that came out in 2004 more polished with more things to do. These games are given so much money to make these games and it never lives up to the hype.

[@dawsynasay4841]

Games were easier and cheaper to make compared to now. Back in 2004 developers didn’t have to worry about money grubbing corporations and more expensive systems that require a great deal of time

[@maksympawliczek4601]

Did we all forget about driver 3

[@Jesusluvz]

They emphasize too much on graphics over anything else.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Thats some devs these days, they just dont care.

[@marcotontodonati347]

@@dawsynasay4841 games weren't easier to make. theres a lot of things that didnt go into it like heavy graphics and expansive open worlds and stuff but the tools needed to make games are much more refined and accessible now considering the amount of nearly constant improvement there was from the 90's to the early 2000's. so yeah its not that it used to be easier, its mainly jusr corporate greed and lack of understanding of the medium

[@OrgaNik_Music]

"How this thing got past testing is anyone's guess." Just like every time this phrase gets uttered - the testers most likely knew all of these issues but the suits decided to push it out anyway.

[@BoredomandVanity]

To be fair, it is a good phrase.

[@livanbard]

same way as the gta definitve

[@sweptay]

Makes me wonder what the original February release date would have been like if they pushed it out then.

[@AlexDMC]

No this isbullshit, some one programed the rain this way in the first place. Hundreds of games feature rain so they knew what it should look like but still choose to make it this way to begin with

[@Athasin]

Bold of you to assume they had testers.

[@axson8]

Devs: The humor and dialogue in games is problematic and needs to change Also Devs: adds incredibly gory kill animations where you stab people multiple times before stomping their heads in.

[@HankJWimbleton-v1m]

Ironically, they also changed the name of the car-tuning garage from Rim Jobs to Jim Rob's and shortened Freckle Bitch's to just FB's, yet they also kept the innuendos at the donut shop for some reason.

[@TouchscreamPresents]

Remember guys Murder is good Showing boobies and calling women bitches is sexist and awful

[@Lyaagato]

also.. mc decide to curse something like cow testicle for no reason and out of nowhere

[@DustinBarlow8P]

The Original Saints Row team, contracted Gang members to give them pointers on what being a "Gangta" really was. I read an article that one of the gangsters was went to jail in the middle of production, so after getting insight on the life, they put his pay on his commissary in prison. Now that is taking pride in your craft. Sidenote: I would pay every dollar I will ever earn till the day I die, if I could see the remakes team go interview Hardcore drug dealing/ gun running gangsters!!!!

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

That's amazing.

[@ChannelNotFound]

Similar thing in 25 to Life.

[@Volvith]

"Eli is a nod to Kinzie" Kinzie would bully him with heavy ordnance. You know i'm right.

[@winster32]

She would fucking shoot him. Like no cap no regrets just DEATH

[@flow185]

kinzie would have not let him rest for a second

[@chesterstevens8870]

Let's be honest; even SR2 Shaundi would bully these lolcows.

[@kdelfino1767]

Hell, Pierce could fuck them all up, and that dude is a damn pansy.

[@Archeronus]

Its an insult to have them in the same sentence

[@headman82]

Whenever a developer/publisher is attacking the fans, it’s a sign that tells me to not support the game. I don’t understand why they think they’re gonna sell millions of copies being disrespectful

[@NexFromHell]

And they've been doing that since before saints row 3 came out

[@dislikebutton2462]

because these devs are most likely fresh out of college and have a false sense superiority

[@tezwoacz]

@@dislikebutton2462 people who develop games and people who manage them are completely 2 different groups. Generally people who develop them are either "fresh out of college" or og software engineers and artists, and people who manage them are usually financial advisors, lawyers, accountants or some other completely unrelated to gaming professions.

[@xBoMb4x]

What did they say?

[@headman82]

@@xBoMb4x Volition pretty much just deflected the fans concern and called everyone “haters”. I suggest looking into it yourself if you’re interested

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

"Every row has its saint" - James Saintsrow, 2022

[@SpeedKing..]

You win my comment award

[@jerrysmith8814]

That was the moment I sainted

[@BionicmanJCD]

It's sainting time.

[@KENSHIROez3260]

@@BionicmanJCD "Stand back, I'm goin to saint row"

[@dontspeaktoelectrohead1491]

God when he sad "It's Saintin Time" I really Sainted my Row

[@Beef3D]

what really baffles me is how new games seem to always have a physics engine each more worse than the previous one.

[@alejandrobagg2591]

Red dead redemption 2 was the oy game that evolved their physics it seems :/

[@TylerMBuller12]

I think most games lack a proper physics engine which is incredibly important. This games physics engine is dog shit.

[@SpecterVonBaren]

They somehow have worse physics than games like Goat Simulator or Totally Accurate Battle Simulator which are DESIGNED to have goofy physics.

[@Vinnisaurus]

They're all made for defined graphics but gameplay wise they offer static and canned animation and physics, just look at a lot of ubisoft open world games. Horrible.

[@amuroray88]

@@alejandrobagg2591 red dead 2 felt a lot stiffer despite the better physics. I had much less fun fighting or horse riding in 2 than 1

[@Nightweaver1]

How does it feel to live long enough to see all of your favorite franchises go down in flames?

[@troodon1096]

Oh this franchise was already dead. This was just a failed attempt to resurrect it.

[@qx4n9e1xp]

GAYTV, Saints Road, CoD Fish, Battlefeel, what else?

[@alleosussquirt8041]

Destroy all humans is still strong.

[@DoingTheBestICan]

@@qx4n9e1xp Halo

[@crakz5088]

Gta and red dead aren’t dead

[@muscleman125]

How is this even saints row? Saints Row 2 was literally incredible, arguably better than GTA at the time. I remember spending the weekend hunting the easter eggs with my cousin in SR2. We used to gather homies to follow us into a plane, then fly the plane into a building so one of the wings broke off, and try to emergency land with just one wing and save the homies. Or not

[@ransacked]

Read comments sections and read how many people compare it to gta that's how we ended up with saints row in this state.

[@adams6473]

Because it's the Saints 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@isgodreal1337]

I used to pick the WW2 plane and make dangerous landings on top of buildings and the stadium, it was awesome and I developed a proficiency in flying planes I never had in any other game.

[@ghostlegit]

Saints row 2 was never better than gta. Stop the cap

[@Gatorade69]

@@ransacked No, It's compared to GTA because the very first game was a GTA rip off... Then they went in a more absurd direction while GTA went into a more serious direction. They were competitors. They are both open world crime games and that's why people compare them.

[@El_DennisTheMenaceShow]

1:13 the developers took the “don’t Take the game too seriously” too seriously

[@GFMarine]

Can't wait for the inevitable media articles of the game devs blaming "toxic gamers" after crapping out another soulless dud of a product.

[@m.a.k.dynasty4504]

Actually, most media articles are in agreement that this game is bad, except for Polygon of course.

[@GFMarine]

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 Give it a few weeks for the rage bait articles to come out.

[@GatorMilk]

Funded with your tax dollars btw

[@joebrod]

I'm sorry but I cannot wholeheartedly believe that the three main characters could ever be capable of killing anyone

[@RebelGirlLayla]

They look like the ones who'd be avocating for gun control and cry when being shot at

[@guffingtonreal]

ok

[@jakesoros2376]

I would believe them to be absolutely capable of killing someone, but not for profit or to take over gang territory. Rather, these characters strike me as the types of people you might see in Portland or Seattle, who create some delusional political reason to cause violence to someone.

[@Mateus_Carvalho]

I could. But accidentally, like via food poisoning or something.

[@genghiskhanxxx5276]

@@jakesoros2376 elderly people who voted for orange man

[@MiguelWARisGOD]

Amazing how the developers wanted to create characters that would be more relatable and end up going with hipsters.

[@glitch200]

SJWs and wokesters only create self inserts.

[@changsiah2]

hater

[@Eagle3302PL]

@@Nothingforever192 Watch Dogs 2 characters were a shitty cringefest

[@changsiah2]

@@kennethdavidson6508 sorry I have blind rage and also secondly I just hope this I hope the franchises with the company fixed up themselves after this and everything else and I just don't want to see a dead franchise to be honest And I was hoping to reboot as well because I want Dead rising come back one day (yes I know it's Capcom but still and also have you not seen how the devil May cry reboot and and still we end up with devil May cry 5)

[@Laneous14]

If they were the villains of the game it would have been perfect. I would have driven a tank thru a train to kill them, too.

[@mn_twisted4319]

The golden age of gaming is long gone. Every now and then there is a diamond in the rough but most people are longing for remakes or remastered releases rather than a brand new experience.

[@tylertheguy3160]

And like that, the Saints Row series died. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

[@erso_returned2530]

Hasn't every new game died like that anyway?

[@KaneK1234]

@@erso_returned2530 Every single franchise there ever has been. Yes. There’s nothing to even live for.

[@Ticketman99]

Just like how Killbane said.

[@ghostsdragon9222]

@@erso_returned2530 according to KZbin yes

[@tennypenny8737]

@@KaneK1234 Christ who ruined your day today?

[@SynthLizard8]

I was genuinely thinking before release: "Ok, the game is going to be cringey, a bit by the numbers but the customisation, world space and mobility looks like it could be fun". Thank god I've become a jaded, hard-hearted SOB when it comes to game hype, I'm honestly suprised but not the least bit disapointed...Ok maybe a bit disapointed.

[@trashcan7594]

i'm sorry but the "jaded, hard-hearted SOB" part is probably the cringiest thing i've read in the past month but in all seriousness, i had about the same mindset as you, i thought it would at least be a borderlands 3 type situation (great gameplay and atmosphere with mediocre/cringey writing) but unfortunately the saints row reboot ended up being worse than we could have possibly imagined, here's hoping it gets better with patches, updates, etc...

[@baxterbunny4403]

@Denam it was good

[@giorgialadashvili4771]

I expected it to be bad, just not this bad. Volition is going straight to the bankruptcy and closure, I am afraid.

[@benn87]

I feel the same way. I don't let myself be hyped by almost anything anymore, at least as far as games are concerned. I have simply been disappointed too often in recent years...

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@baxterbunny4403 stop lying to yourself

[@OJC_yt]

Love it, these games are getting easier to call out more and more. You can see and smell the failure a mile away these days.

[@winlover37]

And each time you predict it you get a wave of naysayers. Love how quiet they get once the dud finally drops and is in fact a dud.

[@Ghost101]

It's even easier when devs start attacking its own customers. That's when you know the game is doa already.

[@Death-999]

Games aren't made by game developers anymore, they're made by activists, it's why there's so many extreme political views in them and the games are boring, buggy messes.

[@Austin-cr5zo]

@@winlover37 that’s so true.

[@winlover37]

@@Ghost101 Seriously. There are definitely assholes in the community, but lashing out at fans of your game in general just isn't a good idea. Especially when the stance you're taking is "I know better than you, shut the fuck up." I'm excited for when publishers and developers get back to: "Ok, what made people love us in the first place?"

[@leoslima8]

i fell in love with the series when i played the 3 ages ago, before the release of the 4 i even played the old ones. i feel so unlucky that after i became a fan all i got was sr4, gat out of hell, agents of mayhem(its painful to write this) and now this

[@rebelliouswitch1991]

I started on SR2

[@Kougeru]

As much as I love the Legacy of Kain franchise, THIS is the perfect example of why I don't want a reboot or anything besides a Remaster. We've been given zero reason to trust any of these companies with the franchises we loved.

[@changsiah2]

I don't think this game is going to kill off a franchise and and end-of-life Devil May Cry reboot To be honest and still get a fifth game yeah I do feel kind of true a bit but then again Devil May Cry reboot is good despite being divisive among fans also yelling franchise I need a wanting reboot one day is Dead Rising

[@KamikazeChinaman]

People still don't understand the great favor that Square Enix did to us by canceling that trash known as Dead Sun.

[@changsiah2]

@@KamikazeChinaman hater

[@changsiah2]

@Varsancton I just need to wait for a Dead Rising reboot

[@TheTimestreamer]

@@KamikazeChinaman Unno if it woulda been trash, but I certainly gave 0 shits about some rando stuck in a vampire's throat and wanted to know about Kain.

[@Creature665]

The Saints literally had a time machine.. A good reboot was right there, built into the 4th games ending.. and they just ignored in favor of tiktokers pretending to be thugs.

[@White_Tiger93]

They tryin' be me, I'm just tryin' be G And everything comes to da light you'll see Them boys in the dark baby I just shine I do it from the heart homie they just rhyme Damn, I missed OG Saints, I missed Carlos wish the reboot could done him better than this 'reboot' shit.

[@ChristopherPreece1999]

It’s been years since I played saints row 4 but if I remember correctly the earth explodes right?

[@Creature665]

@@ChristopherPreece1999 lol yeah

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@@Creature665 This looks like being as Ride Saints Row to Sunset Overdrive 2077 Fast & Furious Crossroads: The Cartel Retribution Train-Wreckfest

[@vlatkoiv1127]

Fun fact im 90% sure the only thing you really enjoyed about the game "Stop blocking me I've got to take a shit!" is from SR2 also. I've definitely heard that in another Saints game when blocking traffic

[@ChrisSealy1997]

In Saints Row 1 there is a pedestrian who says come on ive got to piss when you block traffic and there is actually a lot of unused pedestrian voice lines in the game it's funny

[@RaveSault]

They wanted to copy the vibe of SR4 so much that they completely missed the point of Saint Row's crew. They are Gangsters with a capital G, not some starbucks "kids" complaining about student loans.

[@ilyavolk5245]

When you said you're glad that the old cast is not in this, I completely agree. This is just sad. This game would have ruined our favorite characters from the previous games.

[@Death-999]

Fingers crossed the next SR game (if Volition will even consider another SR game after this mess) will have Gat and the crew come back and whoop their asses then we can pretend this never existed.

[@genmeriphoton7655]

@@Death-999 _Naaah,_ that requires an actually competent writer to make that kind of scenario work. Seems that Volition doesn't have that as of now.

[@Noname15514]

This could've been a successful retreat for us open-world fans after the bad news about what GTA VI is going to be.

[@SaihoAGoGo]

@@Death-999 "next SR game"? You think this game will do well enough to warrant another game? Nah, just let the series die and leave its corpse alone.

[@Death-999]

@@SaihoAGoGo ... If you read more than 6 words you'd realise your message is useless.

[@Muninnnr]

The Saints Row series suffers from the same writing issues as Borderlands. The games started out with a somewhat serious tone with some whacky undercurrents, and as the series went along subsequent writers haven't had any ideas beyond "let's crank up the whack". Over time, this caused the stories told to become worse and worse, as there was nothing to ground you in the world. Everything's just nuts. And with this SR "reboot", where they sort of tried to get back to basics after the insanity that was SR4 and Gat out of Hell, they still couldn't reel in the whackiness and just kept going. They could have taken the SR franchise in a new and interesting direction by starting off with a clean slate, but no, instead they brought us this... thing...

[@arrogantlyme3165]

This is so true

[@300IQPrower]

God if that aint the truth. You can even draw a line of BL1 and SR2, BL2 and SR3, Pre Sequel and SR4, and now this trash fire and the permanently muted BL3. It’s downright eerie in fact. First there was the most grounded entry with a drier wit than the rest, then one that relied way too much on lol-random humor but had some backbone to fall back on, then the (IMO) peak where the absurdities are balanced between tongue and cheek cynicism and callbacks to previous entries, and then you get the absolute worst where there’s all the annoyances of BL2/SR3 without any of that backbone because its all so by the numbers “random quirky lol” garbage.

[@Chedring]

Borderlands was never serious under any circumstance. Stop huffing.

[@sondersaga1366]

I think it’s because real life is so unbelievable and absurd now of days that it’s difficult for games to top it

[@SGFTI]

SR4 going full wacky was great though, Borderlands going full wacky has been corny.

[@Caine187]

When Agents of Mayhem is no longer the worse Saints universe game, we have a problem

[@changsiah2]

hater

[@4TheWinQuinn]

@@changsiah2 truther.

[@changsiah2]

@@4TheWinQuinn no

[@changsiah2]

@Billy Shears okay thank you and what's wrong with you a bit In all honesty I'm just hoping this doesn't accidentally kill all the franchise and and we get a fifth game eventually At least this company isn't greedy and giving out false advertising This game will just end up being like the devil May cry reboot I will end up having a fifth game at least

[@bromox13]

@@changsiah2 wtf the dmc saga had to go back to their foundations and improve what they had and not "innovate" from scratch or they will go down the drain

[@Deuteromis]

That bit about the NPC needing to go take a shit, pretty much is said in all the GTA games whenever you encounter one driving a car.

[@Smonkus_]

This reminds me so much of Dead Rising 4, and I think the only reason people haven’t made the comparison is because nobody even remembers DR4 lol

[@jetstreamattano4176]

I remember it... sometimes

[@exalted_space9224]

@Frosty Bur Sadly yes they did and it took the franchise with it... God that still makes me upset sometimes seeing franchisee die not with a bang but a whimper

[@3215-p5u]

@Frosty Bur Yes, dead rising 3 if you count off the record, and off the record if you count that re4 mod for wii. I don't know about this dead rising 4 this guy is talking about, it never existed as far as I'm aware, it was probably just a horrible nightmare he had.

[@MebXVII]

To be honest the game's physics are more realistic that the four main characters being criminal masterminds.

[@thecircleoft.e.d2121]

Who the hell thought hipsters were ideal for a crime gang?

[@Terranallias18]

@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 white people

[@sunsetman22]

@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 hipster developers, probably

[@King-Maelstrom-the-Esoteric]

They commit crimes before they're cool.

[@kristynaiken4467]

Why because they look young?

[@emeritus312]

To think that Volition promised to make the gameplay a breath of fresh air but went on reusing Saints Row 3 and 4's animations is way beyond me.

[@amuroray88]

Since the game is just a heavily modified saints row 3, they should have just made saints row 5 instead. I mean, it's been 9 years since 4 came out, why not just use the original characters?

[@tiopatinhas55]

They really reuse animations??

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@@tiopatinhas55 Yep, Fizzie of Fizzco looked at the similar art-style of this SR reboot to Sunset Overdrive and Genki looked at the same engine as SRTT, and then together they killed this SR reboot and Genki bring SR back to Stilwater and Johnny Gat!

[@tiopatinhas55]

@@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher damn, that's sad

[@OptiJams]

This reboot got me to rebuy saints row 2 on steam for £2 and fix it with the gentlemen of the row mod It's honestly such a great time down memory lane, i can't believe how long it's been since 2 released and it mixes the seriousness and silliness in the perfect way to me

[@wabbahoteb9604]

The whole issue with the characters is they're trying to make them "relatable" in some capacity, which for a psycho who drives on the sidewalk killing 20+ people just to get somewhere faster is just a poor idea

[@legeno2865]

Not necessarily, GTA is basically doing that since a long time to give you characters who show little remorse to kill people while also giving them great writing. Buuuuut it requires talent.

[@Salvatorez1980]

They’ll get along with Dio then 😂

[@JustFun-ho6qy]

​@@legeno2865 they are interesting. I wouldn't call them relatable, though. Big difference.

[@zander4529]

like marcus in watch dogs 2

[@SockyNoob]

I never played 2 or 4, but Saints Row 1's protagonist seemed to be somebody who was killing gangs to get shitty gang warfare out of the city. Not a hero, but maybe an anti-hero. Noble cause but with evil actions taken to achieve it. I don't remember 3 ever having much of a serious story.

[@DjPolo1897]

I think we have to give huge credit to the honesty of the developers, they showed us how horrendous this would be in the trailers and it was all true, we need more of this kind of transparency in the gaming industry.

[@Badguy292]

LMAO You're not wrong.

[@SuzukiCabs]

People still thought this would be good

[@DjPolo1897]

@@SuzukiCabs I know, I do get why to a degree as it was a great franchise and I think people were just hoping. Unfortunately as I said it was there to see all along and we all knew this, pity really.

[@SuzukiCabs]

@@DjPolo1897 but some of those people are still saying "wait till it's released "

[@Haplo699g]

Truth. I checked out when I saw they replaced the Saints with hipster douche bags.

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

Yep, just watched Skill Up's review and he was brutal. Never heard him that brutal before. Oh wow, he had that exact same bug with the cops on the bridge! You both had the same bug?! How tf was this missed in testing. 😂 Added in edit. Now watched ACG and he also had that same bug! Ffs that is bad.

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

@jbiehlable Ikr. So boring.

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@@FoxyFoxlyn Saints Overdrive 2077 Crossroads

[@kdburner7356]

i just want SR2 again man😂 i honestly fell inlove with that game, the vehicle customisation, the way the gangs worked and how you could complete, clear out and overtake individual areas and then eventually the whole of the map, even just buying booze at the liquor store/holding up any store i want😂 such a shame

[@bliczb8772]

You know, the whole day 1 Patch thing... I remember when SaintsGodzilla and Flippy (I think those were the two) played Agents of Mayhem a week before release. The version they were playing on was heavily buggy. So they asked Volition how's the day 1 Patch going... And Volition told them dead in the eyes that they were playing on Day 1 Patch.

[@kastle3322]

The series lost its charm on me when they renamed "Rim Jobs" to "Jim Robs" feels like the total opposite of SR2, where that game risked with some of its themes and dialog, this game looks like its playing it safe.. too safe

[@satanism_rocks]

yeah that game didnt have limits, you literally sprayed shit on a church

[@HypnoChode74]

When we’ll it be when these developers stop caring what some worthless piece of scab on Twitter thinks of them over an edgy joke.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

It’s a constant trend for many things of media recently and no matter if you dislike it, it’s becoming inevitable. Rockstar GTAVI is reporting to have the same fate as they remove the “Frat-boy” culture. Blizzard is making heavy changes on their games due to their own culture controversies. If you’re part from an IPO company, you can’t do anything creativity edgy or obscene, or the Internet will mull your price stock, not matter the ideology.

[@deusvultpictures6550]

@@lumirairazbyte9697 Fucking wokeism infecting everything. Twitter, Facebook and Instagram have ruined civilisation

[@manzanito3652]

@@lumirairazbyte9697 I remember when Rockstar's controversies where because of the content of their games. Nowdays it's because of the crunch they put on their developers or things like gta trilogy ;_;.

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

I'd like to mention that one of the selling points was customization. How good and advanced it was. They didn't add wear options, you know that thing gives saints row 1 and 2 more outfit options than GTA despite having only a fraction of the clothing options. Can I unbutton my shirt and show off my custom tank top and cool necklace? Can I turn my baseball cap around or cock my bowler hat to the side?

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Also no licensed music or jewelry customization where you can change where you wear the rings on each finger

[@kimkillillasfuq8212]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 no licensed music? Are you fuckin serious my g? Like that's for real? Because that's fucking hysterical

[@richardlionerheart1945]

@@kimkillillasfuq8212 saints row on a budget

[@imonke5303]

@@richardlionerheart1945 well if u look at the gunplay you'll see it's basically just a shittier saints row 3, and that was shitty too but probably funner than this lol

[@nickrustyson8124]

@@kimkillillasfuq8212 No there is licensed music

[@SuperPrinnyDood]

My absolute favorite defense I'm seeing about this game is " it supposed to be this way, That's the joke" To quote Yahtzee "Then why aren't I laughing?!? I retort."

[@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL]

The characters look like people actual saints would curb stomp to make a point.

[@hardboiled2987]

Hahaha real

[@ShawnFerrell]

Who actually thought this was going to be bug-free, have a good story, or worth the money? I damn sure didn't.

[@alalvarez7301]

Volition shills, Redditards and Industry plants.

[@Idfkwhyy]

This game makes agents of mayhem look like a masterpiece

[@Invidente7]

This is gonna make Gat out of hell like a masterpiece. But that was actually fun to play!

[@ericdugal8818]

Simps

[@Mattznick]

one of my friends is excited for this...........they never learn

[@lexgaming3550]

Hearing these game devs talk about capitalism like they weren't everything wrong with capitalism is beyond hilarious.

[@branpod]

Them and cyberpunk both have the same ironic hypocrisy

[@taags]

If they hate capitalism why are they not giving away the game for free?

[@branpod]

@@taags “rules for thee but not for me”

[@IlyasToriyama]

@@taags Having concerns or being against capitalism doesn't mean you are against buying and selling. Not defending the game or the devs obviously, but buying and selling aren't products of just capitalism mate. I know it's a gotcha statement but it doesn't even make sense.

[@Диего_де_ла_Вега]

They are against capitalism because they knew they would all need unemployment benefits after the game is released.

[@pz7510]

"Stop blocking me, I gotta take a shit!" is actually really fucking funny, it wasn't just sleep deprivation

[@bimmer8602]

Lol. Especially when's its actually happened to you in real life.

[@bibbicus3942]

I found it hilarious too, but am also sleep deprived at the moment. Can't be sure.

[@bimmer8602]

@@bibbicus3942 damn I'm sleep deprived too. I hate it. Went to bed at 11 pm last night and didn't sleep until 4 or 5 am

[@bibbicus3942]

@@bimmer8602 running on about an hour and a half in the last 48. Ugh.

[@abelq8008]

It's the delivery that makes it so good.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Wow. This makes Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing look functional.

[@dansilvers8052]

Watching this I have some theories about the physics. Remember how in Saints Row IV the car driver AI was specifically designed to be extra wacky because it was a simulation? Well if the animation, combat, and other systems were copied directly over, seems possible the car physics was too, without taking into account that this one isn't supposed to take place in The Matrix.

[@darkpersona1462]

That makes way to much sense

[@tantona9315]

The cars handle well in this game, unless you drive over a hydrant and get launched.

[@dansilvers8052]

@@tantona9315 Well I meant specifically how the AI seems to go out of its way to crash into each other and glitch out and go flying even without a hydrant's help.

[@tadeo517]

I'm not sure but I don't think you can just copy and paste AI coding from totally different engines, I might be wrong tho

[@slvrcobra1337]

@@tadeo517 What he's saying is that its NOT a different engine, and I'm inclined to believe him. That would explain the cartoony jank, the reused assets, the stale gameplay, and the horribly dated graphics.

[@connordorman117]

Honestly removing edgy humour was already enough to turn me off. It was a staple of the franchise. I personally prefer 1 and 2, 2 being my favourite personally as it blended story and comedy seemlessly and delivered both laughs and hard hitting moments, but all of them had that tongue in cheek edge to it. Rim Jobs being the mechanic shops name always made me chuckle. I'm sick of watering this shit down.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

Man I could use a rimjob rn. My trunk is broke :(

[@FoxyFoxlyn]

2 is my favourite too. I played that again recently. Good times.

[@shark_byte_clips]

@im calling saul mr goodman why did you reply with an air fryer potato wedge tutorial?

[@shark_byte_clips]

It was weird that they changed the buff/sexy saints npcs into weak fat soyjaks

[@chronicle7329]

@@shark_byte_clips bots, it's an invasion of bots that has been ongoing for quite sometime now.

[@canaldecasta]

The "it just works" gag when this game is buggier than whatever Bethesda game I've played is peak current AAA industry

[@Badguy292]

True.

[@ashleyjohansson230]

dont worry its not released yet because its an epic exclusive, its just in beta now and will be fully functional next year when its on steam....unless its a permanent epic exclusive like tony hawk 1+2 remaster was.

[@adams6473]

Buggier then ever?? How come I haven't experienced these bugs then? 🤔

[@coredetta]

@@ashleyjohansson230 bruh beta?? You can play the whole game, sifu is an epic exclusive and it's not bad as this

[@Soulie81]

Yes! I been saying this since the first trailer! The world really does look like one of those "what if this was made in Unreal 5" type demos. It feels devoid of any sense of style or character. The lighting just feels... sterile.

[@s1ightlypanda]

How Volition can save Saints Row. The next game starts off with the old crew brutally murdering the new crew and then it's an actual Saints Row game. Fixed.

[@genghiskhanxxx5276]

I was literally just about to say johnny gat killing them all with his bare hands would be a small redemption

[@KopperNeoman]

As long as you're playing as him.

[@rixille]

Yes, they beat up the nu-crew and kick them so hard they land on a martian mining colony run by Ultor.

[@outpost206]

There won't be a next game. Volition was already deep in the shit when Agents of Mayhem flopped and if the negative word of mouth surrounding this game affects sales like I think it will, this will be the final nail in Volition's coffin. And they brought it on themselves.

[@RGBtheRhinoOverwatcher]

@@outpost206 This is really Ride to Saints Row Hell of Sunset Overdrive Crossroads 2077: The Cartel, because the art-style looks too similar to Sunset Overdrive and the gameplay feels like Retribution.

[@jorah76]

This game feels like it was made for the people who play video games in TV ads

[@casualsex4195]

or play Handygames

[@King-Maelstrom-the-Esoteric]

OP made a 100% accurate comment.

[@matthewmosier8439]

I have a saved photo of an ad for Xbox which featured a bi-racial girl, a girl in a head scarf, and one other person, then a lone typical gamer type of guy as the ad's models of gamers. The people responsible for advertising know next to nothing about the actual people who play the most video games. It was like seeing an NFL ad on Disney+

[@HankJWimbleton-v1m]

It feels like one of those fictional video games that people would play in movies or TV shows.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

There was some junk in the older games, but I don't remember it being this bad. One of my favorite SR2 moments is my car suddenly becoming allergic to the road and ending up on the roof if a six story building.

[@TXFDA]

There was jank, especially in SR1. But it was still fun. I mean, look at Fallout and Elder Scrolls. Both are INCREDIBLY janky. But they're still a ton of fun to play. Same goes for SR1-4 (and even Gat Out of Hell to some extent). But the SR reboot just feels like some indie dev tried to make a SR3 clone, and didn't really understand what made SR3 fun to begin with.

[@playathesaints9599]

@@TXFDA SR1 jank was tied to the Xbox you were playing on. Play it on Xbox 1 and it is virtually glitchless (ignoring multiplayer)

[@Jo-Wilbe-Dina]

Subtitles: *exists* Saints Row: *dives over bar*

[@OrthwormJEB]

The writing was on the wall was the moment Voilition went on Twitter to defend this game after people reacted to the game's first trailer. That's when you can tell this game was going to be a disaster. Not only that, I didn't know the game was set to reelase this week and be an unfinished mess. And goddamn! The lines from these characters made me wince with disgust! I wanted to rip off my headphones and facepalm at the amount of times "Capatilism" was mentioned. Glad I have no interest in this thing they dare call Saints Row.

[@gialy1]

"We are making this for you og fans ❤"

[@fuzzywuggzy506]

This game is for all the comrades out there who own nothing but Apple products, drink $16 iced lattes from StarBucks and study CRT at the most _prestigious_ university in the country while unironically screeching about redistribution of wealth.

[@HomekittyL2]

@@fuzzywuggzy506 and you know that they see this as a real edgy game, so wacky and zany

[@rafterman5072]

Yeah, the characters and by proxy developers are bitching about capitalism, and then turn around a sell a shitty, broken mess for $60.

[@Fanatic808]

Who would’ve thought ham fisting politics and the word capitalism into basically every single conversation would idk turn people away.

[@en3myspott3d54]

And suddenly SR4 looks like a masterpiece

[@amuroray88]

I didn't get the hate for saints row 4. It's a really fun super hero game thats pretty funny. Sure, it's not saints row 2 or 3, but a third GTA clone would have gotten pretty stale

[@humbertodurancas]

For me, the best Saints is The Third, but Saints Row IV is a masterpiece that parodies science fiction and alien invasions

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

I liked sr4.

[@the757general2]

@@amuroray88 Saints Row stopped being a GTA clone with the 2nd game

[@rickrogan2355]

To me SR4 will always be a Masterpiece. Just pure, simple fun.

[@br070497]

I love the irony of a a game dev company which by definition is capitalist writing in shitty dialogue dunking on capitalism and completely missing the mark. The more woke people get the dumber their ideas are.

[@AlexDestroyerOfEarth]

Did the same shit in tiny Tina, which is even more ironic is they aren't just capitalist, the companies that employ them and the companies that own those companies are Uber rich with some of the scummiest monetization practices ever realized within capitalism.

[@FunkyGhostHD]

@@AlexDestroyerOfEarth Honestly since when have anyone took anything that even *remotely* involves Randy B*tchford seriously anyways? Man's a clown and he always has been. I know for a while he hasn't been involved with the gaming side of Gearbox but he somehow still has the audacity to show his face at some events as recent as the latest Gamescom a couple days ago. He is a human clownfiesta and honestly at this point, he should cut his losses, retire and beat it to underage girls (as he does apparently), in his home. Maybe some people has a soft side for Gearbox because of their earlier titles but at this point with everything that came out about him and his certain associates, even from the era when they were making decent games and the stuff that went on during their developments, with the toxic culture that surrounded the company and finally their butchering of Aliens Colonial Marines because of their greed and incompetence should/should've been enough for people to just stop following/enabling his bullsh*t. Can't believe people are still buying games from them especially after how they released a glorified DLC as a standalone game, spitting on peoples faces. Yes there was a try at reviewbombing at start bu then fizzled out really quickly. People have been "cancelled" for far lesser offences and this f*cker's still out there thriving. Yuck.

[@lutherheggs451]

I love the low IQ brain dead people who constantly cry about everything being woke, when they're literally just so dumb you have to wonder how they actually manage to remember to breath in and out. It has nothing to do with being "woke", it has nothing to do with "SJWs".....It has literally EVERYTHING exactly the same as the first 3 games while having some mechanics from 4 thrown in.....The character stereotypes are EXACTLY the same as they would be in the first 3 games, the only difference is they took out LMFAO dildo bats that the low IQ love, the 30 something criminal types and made them 20 something hipster zoomers... Hipster zoomers doesn't mean woke, the majority of people who constantly cry about woke, generally don't even have the slightest clue what woke actually is...anything involving da wemonz, da peoplez of colorz or yung people doesn't suddenly mean woke

[@C24242]

Everything you said feels dead on from what I've seen. I contemplated getting this but given how messed up releases have been lately and how quality writing seems to becoming absent in games, I held off. The characters seem so incredibly dull and sanitized for people who decided to start a gang to get outta debt. If they wanted to go the amateur route and have a bunch of college kids take desperate measures for the first time in their lives, they could've at least made it feel like you're starting from scratch and clawing your way up, which would pay homage to the first game and this game is tangentially related to it. But they took the easy-happy-go lucky route and rounded off any edge this game could've had.

[@axxlh]

I think the "heist" missions where all you do is wait in a car outside the place you're robbing really sum this game up.

[@JonCom3dy]

Wait what!

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

How can you rob a place if you don't do anything?

[@axxlh]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 basically you're just the driver, you pull up to the spot, a crew of A.I walk in, after some time they get back in the car and all you do is drive away.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@axxlh Meh. Sounds unexciting.

[@axxlh]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 exactly

[@alioth2021]

My problem with this game's humor, and really most game's humor, is that it wants to appear lowbrow and offensive without anyone being offended because that would be bad.

[@MyAramil]

But the strength of the saints row series is its low brow, gut punch anyone and everyone, even that kid in the wheelchair, Hell specially that kid in the wheel chair. They took pot shots at republicans, democrats, army bros and the list goes on.

[@grom4818]

@@MyAramil No, you have a monument here to why your humor is bad, accept that you aren't funny. "Series" don't even try.

[@onaroad2riches736]

I am scared for gta 6

[@will_the_warlord8913]

Shutup

[@Blackhawks19_xx]

@@onaroad2riches736 same. I’m pretty much reserved to the fact that everything I love will become trash sooner or later.

[@Anonymous-Wolf]

Can we just appreciate Brilliance of Saints Row 2 , apart from the Missions and Activities that Game Will let you play as a Taxi Driver a Medic a Troll tuck Driver. If we count the side Acitivity you can be a Cop and Body guard of a Celebrity. New Saints Row is a Disgrace to the Original one and The Peoples who Worked on it. I still remember that radios will announce clothing discounts in the stores and inform the pedestrians about Grand theft. Pedestrians also had more life and random evens like in RDR 2.

[@KingAir90Pilot]

Saints row 2022 : "CaN wE TaKE A hyBrId? yOUr caRbON foOtPrINt alWaYS maTTeRs" GTA 4: "After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul."

[@theharlequin7280]

I played every Saints Row game since 2 and had a blast with them. Saw the announcement trailer for this when it came out, didn't care and until now didn't even know the game has been released. My indifference was well placed - this looks absolutely dreadful.

[@curseofamadking4269]

It hasn't come out yet release in7 hrs

[@Death-999]

I've played since the first one, I still vividly remember the first one even though I haven't played it since it came out, it made me become a fan of the series.

[@willy_b_coyote]

“Well who didn’t see that coming?” -Stan Marsh

[@JangianTV]

Love Gman including snippets of his own playthrough commentary. More of this please!

[@GuntanksInSpace]

The little snickers he lets out when something incredibly silly happens is gold!

[@OCDFarming]

I miss the good days when games were enjoyable, addicting & aesthetically pleasing. 2018 feels like 10 years ago in the gaming world.

[@emma6648]

Fortnite battle royale

[@EneTheGene]

2018? You serious?

[@steve7745]

Lmao what? The golden age was 05-12, 18 was well into the downward spiral toward the current rut we're in

[@superdrinkingpepsi]

They'll be saying the same thing about this decade in 10 years

[@maxifernandez1760]

The cast looks like they grabbed the Watch Dogs 2 characters and gave them a purple paint job. In WD2, it make sense to be all skinny and not so intimidating, because they mainly stay out of sight and are not usually exposed to great firefights, they don't need to strike fear or handle huge weapons with tons of recoil. In this game, where you literally build a gangster empire and spend most of the time shooting at other gangs, having characters that intimidate so little or don't look serious at all feel like they don't belong at all in here

[@sterling7]

The characters in WD2 didn't offend me. Your Mileage May Vary, of course, but these... preening, smirking hipsters, spouting hashtags... Are supposed to be the people I want to spend fifteen to thirty hours with? I'm pretty sure even when I was still a twenty-something, the idea that the designers thought these people were even a funhouse-mirror version of me, their target customer, would irritate me right out of a sale.

[@gaalanonim4503]

The thing is, you can fix the bugs, physics, the amount of ppl on the streets, add new guns or new missions, but you can't fix the story. For that it's too late.

[@Killtime1013]

0:47 lol, it is a weird and sad thing for me to live and see every game franchise I love either get cancelled (as in no longer continued) or turn into buggy soulless messes.

[@abadenoughdude300]

Sadly it's not just gaming. Movies, comics, tabletops, everything goes to shit because "get on with the times, boomer" or something.

[@RowBlanka]

*buggy soulless woke mess.

[@ZootedZeep]

@@abadenoughdude300 I'm fairly certain the issue is just capitalistic greed and game companies pandering to investors. These issues can and do lead to the wrong people being in charge of IPs that they dont give a fuck about. That is the downfall of us all (not even just games but the world itself.)

[@glasgowwill7061]

@@ZootedZeep facts

[@changsiah2]

I don't think this game is going to kill off a franchise and and end-of-life Devil May Cry reboot To be honest and still get a fifth game

[@dannya1854]

6 months later and just about all of these bugs still exist.

[@grease_monkey6078]

due to the company going bust its no surprise

[@Saulbreadman]

And new ones ☺️

[@TheSilentWalkerz]

Lmao I looked on the Microsoft game store and they were selling this game for $60 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 wouldn’t even want to download this game for free

[@jordanadams7168]

I loved Saint's Row 2, the story was intense, it had a perfect mix of seriousness and craziness without feeling like a "lol so random and wacky" thing, characters were really good and likeable, the world had variety and the npc's would be doing different activities making it feel more alive

[@lenol0315]

i REALLY miss that game, still waiting on a patch for the steam version

[@RedKincaid]

I totally dig why people like three, but two was absolutely the peak in my books

[@therealpopculturepizza]

Don't forget all of the side content like being a fireman or ho-ing. Little touches in enviroment and the world make it infinitely enjoyable and add to the comedy I haven't seen anything from this reboot and I already knew it's going to be another "Giant open world that is actually empty"

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Was thinking of getting that one for my Steam Deck. It's only like a couple bucks

[@Databat123]

@@chiarosuburekeni9325 Do it, for a couple dollars you get some fun that repays you in hours of content.