SAITEK X56 RHINO: FIRST IMPRESSIONS

[@ableponce8599]

Old video and years later still really helpful. Like always @frooglesim huge thx for such a really well made and informative video.

[@4IN14094]

Some day I wish Froogle have a chance to review some of the VKB sim joysticks

[@SVgamer72]

Great review! I recently purchased the X-56 to replace an aging CH Pro Throttle with a flakey mini-stick, and I am very happy with the additional features found on the X-56 throttle. I even set aside my VKB Gladiator Pro and TM Warthog sticks to give the X-56 stick a try. While it isn't nearly as premium in feel as the aforementioned sticks, it is more than adequate with regards to precision and functionality in games (IL2:BoS and DCS specifically). The X56 really is a great value for the price.

[@AusFlightSimmer]

Awesome in depth review Froogle. Thanks!

[@davidhack1974]

HI Pete,I know you've got foul weather over there but are you showing a frooglesim News this week?

[@NavyGuy2OO7]

I have had no issues with my X-55, I love it, just wish the wrist plate were adjustable, but its not a deal breaker for me.

[@b747400bcf]

Love the studio setup! Cooking with Froogle next?

[@chrispenny3596]

hi froogle mate ive been with you from early fsx untill i went xp11 and you p3d i have always watched and still do your vids and have purchased so many planes scenary etc having listen to your words on them but in this vid i have just purchased x56 and the game i never heard of before elite dangerous which ihave also now got its amazing game your my guru thanks froogle ,,, ps active sky now xp11 i have it they will inprove on it i know but orbx too so many turning to xp11 wish you could do some more xp11 flying happy new year mate and thanks again ...

[@sebc43]

Thanks Froogle for this review! I'm a proud owner of X55.. and I'll always remember your vid about "unsticking" the joystick...Memorable experience (*still laughing) , quite usefull! Since then, my joystick is performing as new and I don't feel the need for upgrading to X56 ;) Still thanks for your vids! Keep it up bro! Cheers

[@TBGHaze]

Will you at some point do a video on some VKB gear? I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear about their Gladiator joystick!

[@BollocksUtwat]

So basically Saitek continuing the trend of making me wish I'd bought 20 X52s to last me the rest of my life when they were basically new and $30 on craigslist.

[@tomwunder3557]

I do realize this is an older review but as I just ordered an X56 it is timely for me. Thank you, your discussion of the device should prove useful when my new HOTAS arrives. Other reviews I have seen were from strictly space game types and while apparently you are into those as well but I trust your opinions from all of the flight sim videos of yours I have seen. Maybe I should check out some of those space games. ;)

[@sherrattpemberton6089]

good vid. disapointed they didn't swap out that single stage trigger for a two stage trigger - this was one of the main reasons I upgraded to the warthog flight stick

[@Onlygloo]

Excellent review as always.

[@mesillahills]

Got one, plus a Rift and a 1080. Not used the Rhino yet. I have also not tried the Rift on FS yet. I am wrestling with what reality really is. Is it very realistic hardware and 4K, or is it crappy resolution with depth immersion ? One really neat trick however is to watch FS videos in VR's FREE program called BigScreen. By defining a big screen out in space, warping it to be very concave, and then pulling it in close to your nose one can create very realistic looking cockpit side window views with a necessity to turn your head in order to see them. Warpage is not noticeable. Also, tower views can be made to look much more realistic by pulling the view in because you have to turn your head as an airplane lands or takes off down the runway. Watching FS videos in BigScreen may be the subject for one of your videos. BigScreen has emerged as a major player with it's social connectivity and first to already incorporate "Touch" controllers which ships December 6th in volume. There appears to be money behind BigScreen. Touch controllers may be a game changer for all FS in VR.

[@hydrohornet558]

Do you still recommend Vaseline to fix the stickyness in the joystick over time??

[@ElephantoGaming]

Nice video thinking of getting this myself

[@sonicwingnut]

I'd consider one of these depending on how much more I get into games like Elite Dangerous in VR - I recently got the T.16000m HOTAS setup for the princely sum of £80, but the throttle movement isn't great even after re-greasing it. I did manage to add a centre point to the throttle with some magnets that works amazingly though. Those flick switch buttons and other layout looks great but I heard bad things about the gimbal on the joystick. That said the T16000m has an issue where the twist axis drifts off to the left and is really annoying.

[@chrispenny3596]

froogle this ok for xp11 flight sim thanks

[@ryaanbeg]

wow very nice review froogle u have convinced me to get it thanks !

[@liamhuckle5826]

froogle now that you have both the x-56 and x-55 which one are you using as your daily driver- in other words which one do you prefer to use?

[@tonyreyes8544]

Is there any other color option? I like the color design of X55

[@kazimir8086]

How about last impression?

[@HighFlier757]

Froogle, great video as always. Do you think you can do a video on how to tackle the Canarsie approach onto 13L at JFK? It is a challenging approach and it would be really great to see someone like you do it, especially for those too afraid to fly into JFK on vatsim.

[@rivvur]

would you recommend one of these for P3D? like an a330?

[@SirToby1076]

Bought my X56 at christmas, so far it works fine, only a little squeak in the upper right which I don't hear ingame because I usually use a headset.

[@p165711]

No mention of the new owners Logitech although I do not expect they will have had any input re the QC yet and any products in the shops today will still be Mad Catz quality. Ergo I will stay away until I know the QC has improved.

[@kieranlarking667]

Does this joystick have force feedback?

[@ryoohk]

when my x55 died they replaced it with a x56 and i love it more then my 55 but i hate the thumb stick on my joy but love the one on the throttle. also i do have some drift but just raised the deadzone

[@robertmitchell3780]

Here we are, a year later, and Logitech has a "new" X56, with supposedly all the build issues worked out. Any chance of a new review on this one? No one would do it better...

[@Presbiter]

The new one is still crap and way overpriced...mostly plastic.... Save 100 bucks more and get a warthog, its metal and will serve you decades.

[@kendil22]

@@Presbiter The shell is metal but the insides aren't. I had to open my throttle to replace dead switches in the first 6 months on my warthog. And the Joystick is all plastic inside. It'll last longer than the x-55 and x-56 by several years but it won't last decades. The good news is Virpil bases work with the stick so you just buy a virpil base after a couple of years and when your warthog stick base fails.

[@Hoekstes]

Hi Froogle, do you have any experience with the X-65F? Thanks!

[@P3ter777z]

What is your opinion on shaders in p3d?

[@flightpowersims3299]

Thank you for your review, it was great.

[@robainscough]

That's a little odd, what's the point behind having variable lights if it was setup to be used with VR where you can't see the device? I believe Logitech bought Saitek, which I think is good news for Saitek. But having to set a "null zone" for the main flight stick is definitely a show stopper for me. Appreciate the review, provided exactly what I needed to know.

[@theavreefguy3777]

I feel like it's pointless to have customizable lighting if your going to color the thing bright blue

[@jenevivelancia3012]

the movement friction on the throttle is by design. the x52's did it, the x52 pro did it, the X-55 does it, the X-65 doesit as well. it's so that fine movements can be achieved, while it will loosen up when in a dogfight. (100%-0% throttle transitions)

[@hubinsc]

Just got my 56, I like it a lot but the stick spring clicks a bit. I like the stiffness of the throttle, gives it a "real" feel.

[@Flightsimmovies]

That mean you need to return to saitek?

[@The531Ghost]

I had the same issue with the sticky throttle during my review I wrote for CombatACE. I assumed that because it appears the mini-joysticks on the Saitek Website are supposed to have a programmable twisting axis, they don't. They do twist, they just don't do anything when being twisted. Programming software hasn't really changed since the X65. You still have to calibrate the throttle in Windows as it's not available to be calibrated in the H.U.D. nor are the mini-joysticks on either the stick, or throttle. Anywho, your mileage may vary.

[@The_Burrito]

My only problem with the X55/X56 is that despite my big hands it's... just not comfortable to use. My hand actually ached after an hour or two of play, and that was with periodic rests during breaks between levels and whatnot.

[@lovecchio420]

all i did was add a 1 inch thick foam pad as a palm rest of the stick and mines been fine......now the wires snapping in the throttle 1 year after i bought the thing is another matter.

[@The_Burrito]

Thing is, my hand is big enough to be able to reach everything easily, but I think it's because everything is so spaced out. I love the layout, so I went with a CH FighterStick instead. No issues since. I really miss the paddle switch, though.

[@richboy2307]

Haven't seen the whole video yet, but cool!

[@richboy2307]

So a few questions... what is your thought on the Logitech takeover/merger/purchase (not sure exact details) of Saitek and what do you think this means going forward for customers?

[@johnmoore9588]

Basically it means don't buy Saitek until they fix it. At the moment, Logitech haven't completely taken over support, so it's a bit of a risk at the moment.

[@richboy2307]

Yeah it appears to be the case so far. Transition has been slow. Hopefully once it stabilizes they will be taking orders again, coz boy do I need me some rudder pedals.

[@melgibbson8955]

I got this joystick based on your review. Thanx. Could you please tell me how to get this throttle work w 4 engines? Its frustrating to have only 1,2 engine on left to get the 747 going.

[@32keihin]

I just can hope Logitech decides to change the spring and washer system for other one smoother and more linear. Like the TM ball system but less stiff for the casual games.

[@32keihin]

***** Jealousy?

[@Arkaine_]

Hi froogle, i subscribed for exactly these kind of consumer advice. I'm planning on lining up the X-56 as a purchase probably in a few month's time. I am also aware about complaints about the build quality, specially the wiring. Would you mind giving feedback about the X-56 in a few month's time. After it has weathered hours of use and abuse ? Then I can decide whether to go for it. Cheers

[@MauricioMoura]

Why does your unit looks very beaten? Seems like the front paintings are beaten and would disappear with use. I take you have it for only a few days/weeks.

[@frooglesim]

That's just the design - I've had it months, but my unit is immaculate. Here's a shot from someone else showing the "weathered" paint scheme. i.ytimg.com/vi/k8-l2LLhemU/maxresdefault.jpg

[@pomaranc747]

Can you block the rudder twist in some way? It's a deal breaker for me, I just can't stand it. I don't understand why they have to put it on even expensive joysticks.

[@The531Ghost]

Yes you can, in the H.U.D.

[@pomaranc747]

I mean physically, I can't stand the joystick twisting, that's why I use thrustmaster hotas even though pretty much everything else about it sucks, you can block it off with the screw on that one.

[@The531Ghost]

Well then, physically, no, no you can't.

[@pomaranc747]

Oh well, I guess I should buy a yoke instead anyway :D

[@Gassit]

I have an X55 and its a non issue. The rudder spring in the X52 was very light so would twist very easily if you didn't lock it but the X55 and I assume the X56 spring is much heavier so you don't even notice it.

[@VariXx]

Coming from a x52 pro it looks like this has way too many buttons. I love it.

[@deskguy839]

The twist rudder on my X-56 went out after 4 hours of use.

[@fishergunner42]

tell me more

[@vcentral]

Hi froogle, I need some advice about controllers. I currently have Saitek Flight yoke, Pedals and a Mad Catz 5 flight stick. I am using Oculus rift CV1 and flyinside apparently. I am thinking of using joystick (due to work space issue). Which one would you recommend - X-56 or Warthog? Thank you!

[@donwald3436]

Could you measure the stick size? I use a X52 Pro with the hand rest on the lowest position. I had to return a T16000 because my hand wouldn't fit, the stick was way too small. Do you think the X56 would work for me?

[@rivvur]

Cool Pete!

[@quantomic1106]

Nice sink!

[@badnade4886]

Giveaway for you x55?

[@MrSearker]

Seems good. It is just what i expected from the incremented number in it´s name - A step forward from the X55. I myself own the latter and see no particular reason to "upgrade". The two new Joysticks seem useful but don´t cut it for me. Who knows - If i manage to sell my X55 one day without too much of a loss, i might buy the X56 (or whatever is the current model then).

[@williambenjamin785]

very informative don't have any space game controllers just might buy this one

[@n7275]

I'm sitting here looking at my X52 realizing how 2000s it looks...

[@petterson-]

How long did you have X52, and has anything broke so far?

[@ASbored]

@@petterson- im not him but no ive had it for years now and its holding up just fine

[@einherz]

hope they'll create x-66 with same principe as x-65 but with a little bit moving(optional!), just for some damper of sensors, actually that 65 force sensor is brilliant idea, and with that sensor you can use movable or not movable stick, cuz in any way that sensors will got force for response, and that sensors very best as unbeatable, and i have no idea why they stop use it and use that hall and resistors, i sure if you want create even force feedback joystick, thats stain transformers will just best of all, cuz can change dynamically as movable so soon response, if need, use materials with variable flexibility, if need force feedback with prevent any mechanical problems

[@zolitariglussey6302]

so AS OF TODAY the X55 is still your favorite?

[@Tomcool12337]

But i liked the green colur on the x55

[@jonhjfofs5959]

I still have & use a X52 Pro which Ive had for years & still looks better quality than both the 55 & 56.

[@raymondgoubet]

The good news are that Logitech Acquired Saitek in September: www.key.aero/view_article.asp?ID=10251&thisSection=simulation So, hopefully, build quality will be back in the future products.

[@stovepipesfsxguitarriffsch31]

ALL Y/T FLIGHT REVIEWERS. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take note. This is how you do a review or 1st impression video. Froogle is concise and to the point. He isn't rambling on how he has a runny nose or complaining about a fight he had with his grandmother for 10 mins before he gets to the subject at hand. Learn to edit. END! Thanks froogle!!!!

[@charliebrownau]

Might be interesting to note this joystick is USD$250 (amazon US + Newegg US) .............. Yet in AUSTRALIA at mwave it is AUD$450 , now the old current x55 is AUD$285

[@williamsternritter3214]

It is quite possible I will replace my X55 with 56 in time, however these are not worth over 200 imo. I got my X55 for just a little under 200 euros and for that price it's a solid HOTAS. But for 250, add a 100 and you have a Warthog.

[@gnurgl5157]

The build quality is horrible, all the x55 internal problems have rolled straight into the x56. A friend went through 2 x55's via Saitek's support and they sent him an x56... he's on his 3rd x56 in under a month due to rudder pot breaking, pinkie switch stops working, and throttle not working.

[@petterson-]

What HOTAS should one buy if those break?

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

They should fix the drivers for their Multipanel for P3d before making anymore expensive controllers. Siatek is terrible at providing functional working driver's and that in itself would be enough to stop me purchasing anything else with their name on it.

[@bencolliar6018]

You look like Murr from Impractical Jokers and Iniesta the footballer

[@armanbajwa6928]

froogle if you have a spare yoke or joystick can you donate it to me

[@armanbajwa6928]

please

[@TW19567]

Not interested in Saitek stuff any more. I had to have two X-55's because of poor manufacturing quality and it seems that hasn't changed. I've got a thrustmaster joystick now which is incredibly well made and sturdy.

[@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB]

X52 Pro camp here, raise your hand!

[@peterwilhelmsson4168]

*raises hand*

[@theavreefguy3777]

Hand raised

[@BBoyJD10]

Awesome video but please get a new mic

[@frooglesim]

Thanks - but this was the on camera mic and yes it has been replaced for upcoming videos.

[@damonlang1185]

What would be the typical price of it?

[@dylan5490]

Hi i'm new to all this sim stuff and i was looking at this would this be ok for a starter or should i look elsewhere

[@damonlang1185]

PowerNinja I would recommend the Saitek FLY 5, I have been flight simming for a few years now and I love it :)

[@The_Burrito]

As a starter? Fuck, no. $250 is a shit price for a starter joystick.

[@Slovenskimajzl]

I honestly don't understand how anyone with good intentions recommends SAITEK to anyone. SAITEK falls under the saying "BUYER BEWARE" because of their poor build quality and quality control in general. My X52 and X52 pro, a replacement for the first one, both exhibit the same flaws such as buttons which stopped working and joystick lighting that turns on when I press a button even though I have lights set to off.

[@JIMJAMSC]

I have no budget and have used the X52s since they came out. I am rough on them flying helis and fighters. 1st one I used so much eventually the rubber came off and then the pots started wearing out on the joystick. so I bought a second pair and still use the original throttle after 15 years. when the TM A-10 came out I gave in to temptation and it failed within 2 months. Ended up rebuilding it and after another fail sold it as "as is". Seeing that I cannot think of anything thats sold today that is better than 10 years ago, I would not doubt today's sticks are less quality.

[@Ahmedgharib898]

I’m paying from amazon for play dcs world f-14 & mirag &mig 21

[@MititeluRadu]

you know you are whacking a advertisement clip when they call an overpriced, low quality HOTAS a success

[@wikikomoto]

i think i'll stick with my warthog

[@charliebrownau]

Shame you cant ask them at saltek why Australians have to pay AUD$200 MORE ?

[@paristo]

Now after Logitech has acquired Waited, I dream that Logitech will release successor to G940 with fixes for some more common problems, and new features like a extension tubes and individual units on USB as sales. That HOTAS was/is still the only FF one for helicopter pilots. It just makes so nice to have the magnetic trimmer to lock cyclic to its position for hands free flight. X56... I don't get the coloring. It is so childishly done and just ugly. Really like the plain look that CH has and their build.... But they don't have a dual throttle (split) or some of the needed mini-joystics in stick or dual-stage trigger. VKB HOTAS starts to look far more promising, if they get FF versions and some fancy helicopter collectives as well out. Full metal, no centering sticks and extensions etc. But looks like now focusing to simple WW2 era aircrafts.

[@RealVENOMous]

Yup, my 55's have horrible drift. So much in fact that ive stopped playing Star Citizen. Flight Sims aren't much better and now the actual stick is loose :(

[@bocco1551]

"Very Successful X-55" yeah right....

[@tniadul668]

Similar with Logitech G940

[@Molo9000]

Still too much money for too much plastic and no twist lock. If you are going to spend that much on a stick, you might as well go upmarket and buy something that lasts longer and feels better. Eventually you will want to upgrade anyway and regret not having spent the extra money to begin with. All peripherals are kind of like that, be it racing wheels, joysticks, pedals, even monitors or keyboards. Either buy something cheap or something really good.

[@papawsgaming8762]

I decided never to buy this product after checking out NUMEROUS complaints of internal wire-breaking issues causing buttons to stop working. Beware

[@leinsters]

X55 taught me one thing, never ever purchase a Saitek stick. Absolute junk that is sitting on my shelf and was replaced with my old $30 Cyborg3D (which is far smoother but lacks buttons). The throttle on the other-hand is really nice. Support is non existent, programming it is remarkably frustrating - save your money and go with another brand.

[@SamFarley098]

I hate the blue!

[@senseidekkers5618]

Compatible with No Man's Sky?? Just kidding :)

[@Malcolm701]

Hmm, that joystick looks very floppy... not much good is it. The Thrustmaster system of using magnets to centre the stick is the most reliable and in my experience works flawlessly. You don't want a stick that doesn't have any resistance to move out of centre.

[@TheJetwayLife]

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