What If Death Was Permanent In Dragon Ball Z?

[@SaiyanMotion]

5:34 - I didn't say this but think of the Kame House Reunion as a reunion to remember krillin and roshi by Bulma and Goku.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Cool

[@omegavaltv4894]

The prophecy of the super Saiyan god wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t possible but Whis would look for the other 3 saiyans being Tarble, Broly and Paragus but Paragus is not pure of heart, Broly can be debatable we’ll just say Goku Gohan Goten Videl Tarble and Broly makes Gohan the super Saiyan god

[@hugoarthurgaming]

You forgot the fact that there were 6 for the ritual. 3 on Earth goku, gohan, goten and on vampa pragus and broly and somewhere else vegetas brother. And also goke knew kaikai and when berus whold throw the hakai ball on to earth the whold teleport to supreme kai and then they whould try to go to all species to train and they whould encounter granola and the dragoballs there and they whould wish for imortality and to be the strongest

[@SaiyanMotion]

@hugoarthurgaming i mean this is just hugely wrong. Paragus isnt pure hearted. Beerus wasnt even willing to let them look for tarble orginally when they for sure had another saiyan and they dont even know abt broly. Goku doesnt know instant transmission in this story and shin and beerus' jobs go hand in hand, theyre literally partners, shin isnt turning on beerus.

[@hugoarthurgaming]

​​@@SaiyanMotion but whis whould have tolded beerus about the other Sayings and goku whould have been interested to learn the teleportaion ability of the kais and if elder kai unlocked both gokus and gohan potential i see no reason why whold shin not teach goku the kai kai and so he chould have just teleported to get to vampa and tarble and videl whould have been pregnant but I belive that goku whould mention the dragon Balls but since they whould not have them they might use granolas dragonballs since whis knows a lot about the universe and it whold track and find a namekain on planet cerial. Or gohan whold just teleport out of planet earth with goku and goten and beerus whold think that he might have killed them. And also beerus whas so intrested in goku becouse he defeated frieza he might just go to broly since wish whold know about broly being stronger. Also gohan after not being able to turn super sayin against frieza to being equal to super sayin blue kaioken 20 goku in one year of training. And so imagine having a strong Base form and also training for 4 years with there potential unloked they whould be at least super saying God level. And also the potara fusion since elder kai or suprem kai chould have tolded them since king kai warned them and so elder kai chould have done the same. And if the earth food whold not beat beerus gohan and goku impress him enoght to not destroy them especially without God energy Thats how i see it at least

[@evanatorextreme1065]

When you realize that Goten was so insignificant to the plot that he wasn’t even conceived.

[@SaiyanMotion]

He was 😭 Bro js can’t do shit in the buu saga without trunks lol

[@----S.]

​@@SaiyanMotionGoten only purpose in life is to create Gotenks. He was not usefull for anything elselol

[@ilkin589]

I wish it wasnt like that

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

The grim reality...

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

Well here's the thing, prior to his introduction to Goku, he destroys half a planet for having half good food, it was only... Too greasy, from what I recall. Earth, having the best food in the universe, stated on multiple occassions by Whis and Beerus, plus having the strongest mortals in his universe, the only ones he can foist off his duties to since Frieza died... I don't think he would blow up the planet or kill Goku. I don't think he'd train him in an attempt to get the SSG, but I don't think he'd blow up the planet with the universe's best food, either. Put it this way: Mass-produced, bargain bin Earth food, is better than Universe 6's best food, and Beerus has had competitions with Champa over their respective universe's best food before. Which is a damn good reason, for Beerus at least, to keep Earth around. I think this story realistically ends when all the universes with low mortal ratings get erased by Zeno, since no Tournament of Destroyers would occur to attract Zeno's attention, since Goku wouldn't be on Beerus' planet to suggest it. Theoretically, this could mean Champa finds all the Super Dragon Balls to wish U7 Earth to his universe, behind Beerus' back, but it doesn't change the fact that U6 also gets erased.

[@daniiii888]

Pretty sure Beerus would train Goku and he would get ssj god because it’s a prophecy, it will happen. So then the destroyer tournament happens and for the Goku black arc idk what would happen.

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

@@daniiii888 Except Beerus was skeptical of the Oracle Fish's prophecy, and only finally went along with it thanks to the dream he had. After meeting Goku, and easily defeating him, he's exceedingly likely to just give the ghost.

[@daniiii888]

@@GrammarNaziAUS the prophecy did come true originally, so it is definitely supposed to happen

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

@@daniiii888 Irrelevant. The important part is whether Beerus believes, and it's made abundantly clear that he does not.

[@daniiii888]

@ doesn’t matter. It’s a prophecy, it’s gonna happen.

[@rafaelferreira7408]

13:49 Just like that? That's sad, if only Goku spilled at some point that if they had the dragon balls they could've asked Sheron about it, that would light the bulb on Beerus head and he would tell Whis to search and collect the super dragonballs to ask about the Super Saiyan god or even just wish to instantly turn Goku into one since this dragon can do literally anything.

[@SaiyanMotion]

beerus didnt actually know about the super dragon balls until Champa told him about them in the universe 6 arc

[@richnjoroge3440]

How does that make sense beerus is millennia old and somehow doesn't have knowledge of these super dragon balls scattered between u6 and his own UNIVERSE!

[@SaiyanMotion]

@@richnjoroge3440 mf spends millenias sleeping

[@ceskydream2849]

@@SaiyanMotion cap he said in anime when he saw earths dragon balls that dragon balls are bigger or smth like that whxh implies that he knew about the super dragon balls

[@SaiyanMotion]

@@ceskydream2849 if you read the manga chapter where champs brings up super dragon balls beerus has no clue what they are. Js cuz he thought the dragon balls would be bigger doesn’t mean anything n (assuming he said that)

[@elvisluk1284]

Problem is, if they don’t get ssj god, then the fish guy’s future telling wouldn’t be there. Meaning beerus wouldn’t have known the ssjg meaning he would have never came there meaning the Z fighters and earth are safe.

[@jablue4329]

Eh, they can still become SSG if they're trained up as Gods

[@daniiii888]

Fish would tell Beerus he must train a saiyan to become the ssj god or something like that

[@Mr.Negative2004]

I feel like this ending could’ve changed with dragon ball daima and their dragon balls.

[@aiden463]

that's a great thought

[@Simo-d3t]

6:17 Goku let go of Raditz tail because he knew he could escape. When goku was grabbing onto raditz he mentions that raditz could cut off his tail and raditz said “you knew”. Raditz was bluffing when goku was grabbing his tail.

[@XxXQuickScoperXxXJoinTheParty]

Source?

[@Simo-d3t]

@ It’s in the Manga

[@overheatedfrost8947]

permanent death in dragon ball would lead to so many problems.

[@internationex-newwoly]

Well maybe it could go both ways with beerus. Goku and Gohan fusing might be enough to impress beerus so he lets them live, or maybe he'd enjoy earth food so much he lets them live. Futhermore Goku could ask to be trained by him?

[@Arcadia_warlic]

11:40 Possible he would escape from the grip faster meaning less time for energy to be stolen so it would level out. Suppose they would probably find a way to get Boo revived regardless, though. Feel they would probably use an Other World pass as with Baba to try and force the ritual. Might also find Tāble.

[@truthfulgaming996]

@SaiyanMotion This is an excellent and well-made video! It is definitely a very interesting "what if" scenario for sure.

[@SaiyanMotion]

Thank You!

[@truthfulgaming996]

@SaiyanMotion You are very welcome:). I often had wondered about this very topic because of how the story tends to not stick to death as being permanent.

[@Coley..]

So close to 100k congrats can’t wait for you to reach it

[@SaiyanMotion]

Thanks, I appreciate it!

[@Polomance862]

Sometimes I wish they adhered to a rule of death a single time. Everyone who has been killed can be resurrected once, but a second time assures their fate is sealed. Imagine how different things would be in DBZ if dying had weight. Rather than a temporary hurdle to overcome. You have only once chance to come back and afterwards; you're done.

[@HazeKasaki]

I disagree with Beerus coming to earth. The Oracle fish only got the premonition because it was something that was going to happen, it was fated. If there wasn't going to be a Super Saiyan God, then the oracle fish would not have a vision of it. Thus, no Beerus on earth.

[@semvermeulen7039]

Can they still win in the GT timeline?

[@mikedomingo1240]

at this point he would just go super saiyan 2:05

[@Nightmear]

this is a nice concept

[@robertomezzina9100]

Incredible analysis! I would like to point out only 2 errors: 1. On Namek Vegeta and Nappa would still have their tails. That changes radically the outcome of the fights because of their ability to transform into their great ape form wich gives them a 10x power boost (Vegeta having a power level of 180.000 would make him the strongest member in the Frieza Force). Still Nappa would probably die against one of the Ginyu force members and Vegeta could be defeated by other means (like getting his tail cut or Ginyu swapping bodies with him or Frieza killing him). 2. Beerus wanted to destroy the planet only because Buu made him mad. Since Super Buu didn't spit good Buu out, that would never happen.

[@theesteward9150]

The last part is assuming that Beerus even gets the premonition in the first place, considering that the conditions weren't right

[@Rhythmic929]

If you consider it, Beerus would have never known about SSJG because the fish mentioned it to him. However, since the fish is like a future teller, and this story is entirely different, the fish wouldn’t have told him due to the fewer Saiyans. But if miraculously, he still did, Beerus wouldn’t have destroyed the Earth because Majin Buu isn’t there to enrage him about the pudding. Since he would have been eating food at Bulma’s birthday party, I think he would have let them slide and maybe offered Goku to train him to reach this SSJG. Even tracing back to the Android Saga, if they were more cautious, they would have used the Dragon Balls to find the lab and destroy it before any development. There are many things you would have to consider when telling an alternate story. Regardless I still enjoyed this short alternate story keep up the good work.

[@harsh1784]

It's like dragon ball z without DRAGON BALLS 😨

[@Mikomillion]

remember when vegeta came to namek he already had a zenkai from the fight on earth , without coming to earth he would’ve lost to even cui, at the most dodoria would’ve pummeled him

[@zdenshadowdragonbyzideodi8819]

But what if after the events in Z, instead of leading into the events of Dragon Ball Super, it lead into the events of GT? The whole thing that kicked off GT's entire plot was that wish that emperor pilaf made in the first episode. Since the dragon balls don't exist anymore since Kami fused with Piccolo, that wish never happens and so Goku never gets turned into a kid, they don't need to scouer the universe looking for Dragon Balls, Baby never shows up on Earth, Goku never gets Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons never appear. Super 17 and the Hell fighters might still show up, but i feel like since, Goku, Gohan, Goten, Tien, Yamcha and Piccolo would have already gotten their potentials unlocked and since we've seen in Dragon Ball Super that the potential unleashed form can make someone Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Level if they trained hard enough, in theory, they could still beat Super 17 if they emplored the right strategy that was used to kill him in the original. Especially if one or more of the Saiyans unlocks the Beast form like what was shown in Dragon Ball Super. So, if you go the GT route, it will look a lot less gloomy.

[@nobafan7515]

I just realized, can they wish for immirtality? It would make protecting them a lot easier. Or would it be a problem for enma or something along those lines?

[@KingMB_XJ_Official]

This goes to show how important of a character Vegeta is.

[@jablue4329]

So, 10 minutes in we're already at Dragon Ball without Earth or Namekian Dragon Balls 😅

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

If the z fighters were much more cautious, then wouldn't they just wish to find the geros hideout 🤔.

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Technically enough pure hearted saiyans did exist. Beerus should be a lot more chill since buu never ate his pudding. Just asking shenron, then teleporting tarble and broly would've been enough. But that's just my take. Beerus just getting bored and blowing everything up is a real possibility 💀

[@givenofuks222]

Technically he wouldn't come to earth anyways

[@lambeflores]

Gotta disagree on Beerus blowing the Earth up. He only got pushed that far because of Buu. He seemed to be content with Earths food and I'm sure either Goku, Gohan or Whis would have asked for training. They're not thebtype to give up until they find a way to go God without the ritual just like Vegeta did canonically.

[@jeddy2925]

5:15 wait I just thought about it… how??? If kami dies shenron is inactive. Was he just trying to persuade goku or did kami/the writers genuinely forget that?

[@jeddy2925]

I’m referring to the actual dbz manga panel here btw

[@SaiyanMotion]

yes he was trying to fool goku into killing Piccolo but Goku figured out that the dragon balls cant be used with kami dead so he didnt go through with it

[@jeddy2925]

@@SaiyanMotion figures. Thanks for clarifying 👍🏾

[@Medachod]

6:30 is false. Goku confirmed Raditz was lying in the manga. So that strategy wouldn't work at all.

[@rewriter789]

I feel like goku and gohan would fuse to become gokan and that would satisfy beerus

[@funincluded]

Trunks!? Bro if Vegeta dies on Namek, Trunks never exists. Gokurs heart medication wouldn’t make it back in time

[@ssjsal2159]

Realistically the entire series would be completely different. Characters wouldn’t be killed off as frequently

[@KadsNirvana]

I thought only 2 people could enter the Hyper Sonic Lion Tamer at a time?

[@TheStickCollector]

It would be worse than even the future timeline probably ever could be. No krillin, no piccolo, no z fighters besides gohan. Everything would be in shambles, -that's assuming even gohan or even yajirobe would be alive to cripple vegeta.- Well guess that makes sense but it would still applied if they did actually care about raditz.

[@Mintyicecream2]

Why would Bearus wipe them off the face of the universe if trunks is not there or buu is not there to make him mad wouldn't he but happy that they are so strong and whis would train them.

[@EvilSourMan]

What if Goku and Diddy got betrayed and trapped in the tume chamber?

[@fazglamgaming152]

I have feeling that the prophecy of the SSG wouldn't come to be meaning berrus would have no reason to go searching for Sayians.

[@SaiyanMotion]

well the what if isn't changing events that happened years earlier. The prophecy was given to beerus when goku was sent to Earth. We just changed the events that happened in between.

[@Tuskin38]

@@SaiyanMotionthe prophecy was a vision of the future, if that future never happened there would be no prophecy

[@DragonBall-Manga-1984]

it has nothing to do with the DBmanga

[@mikedomingo1240]

at this moment he knew he f**cked up 2:05

[@mrninja243]

Goku should’ve turn super saiyan especially since he knows Krillin is dead for good

[@Trap5656]

It's funny to think about even with Goku, Piccolo, Tien, and Yamcha all teaming up together against Raditz, but he still outclasses them all by a good amount. 😆 I mean King Kai's training is still there since Kami can go in-between the world of the living and the dead, but the problems are they need special permission to go, the trip on Snake way takes a good while, and they would have to worry about food & water because they are still alive. 👍 I don't think Beerus would destroy Earth here after getting a pretty good fight from Ultimate Goku & Gohan who most likely have been training together for 4 years now after the Buu Saga, and after eating the food at Bulma's party if Beerus still want his SSJG I would imagine Whis would just bring up the idea of training Goku & Gohan so Beerus gets the SSJG he wanted. 🤔 Anyways overall another really good what if, and looking forward to the next one soon. What if suggestion: What if Future Vegeta Survived? (A remake of this idea would be pretty cool seen again.)

[@urudjasurnetcher8805]

After defeating King Piccolo real talk would take place with the remaining Z-Fighters (Bulma included) especially after Kami reveals himself and why he looks like the Demon King requesting Goku to come to the Lookoutto be trained by him!! With Bulma present as well as Master Roshi moree reasoning and analysis would take place when Kami said he will remove Goku's tail before training begins!! Questions would be raised to Kami about where is Goku's people with tails that turn into giant ape upon seeing a full moon!?! Is he a mutant and where are Kami's people because they have never seen anyone onthe planet that look like them!?! Kami would explain that he crashed on earth millenias ago sustaining an injury causing memory loss of events prior! Kami would continue to explain how he witnessed Goku's spacepod come and crash near Mt Paouzu was retrieved by his adopted grandfather Gohan and when Gohan dropped the infant Goku into a ravine sustaining a Traumatic Brain Injury!!! Bulma and Master Roshi would exclaimed that whomever Goku is born of have enough technology for interstellar travel couldn't possibly turn into a mindless ape without being able to control it or else they would have destroyed themselves before obtaining intellect for space travel!! Kami would be flustered, in shock and slightly ashamed that he would cowardly seek to severely maim and debilitating a fellow alien traveler that suffered a TBI , only to remove his body parts out of fear because it's more convenient and both he and Goku are ignorant of how to control his transformation! The solution would be to gather the Dragon Balls and wish for full restoration from the TBI's with knowledge on what they are!! This would give them knowledge about Namek planet Vegeta, Namekian Book of Legend, Oozaru, Ikari, the name Kakarot etc... and prompt Kami to request from King Yemma and audience with King Kai. Upon reaching King Kai Kami requests the location of Namek and telepathically contact with Grand Elder Guru. Why not just wish for everyone (Z-Fighters, Kami and the supporting cast) to be eternally in the prime of their youth as immortals?!? Then have Kami train to level up to upgrade the Dragon Balls & the HBTC. Bulma upon realizing Goku and the Guardian of Earth are aliens who one came from a planet that has gravity gravity 10x's that of Earth and the other has the HBTC that has the same 10x's Earth's gravity would request their spacecrafts be brought to CapsuleCorp for her and her father to reverse-engineer the technologies to make new spacecrafts fitted with increased Gravity Training Chambets built in to train for their trip to Namek. Since they have Dragon Balls as well that have less restrictions and are always more powerful!!! The Z-Fighters would all load up in the spacecrafts for Namek, leaving youthful immortal Kami at the Lookout to train with youthful immortal Master Roshi. Grand Elder Guru gives them knowledge from The Namekian Book of Legend of The Legendary Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God Ritual and they all get their potentials unlocked!!! Upon the Z-Fighters leveling up on Namek training with Nail they would wish for returning after doubling down on wishes for locations of other Saiyans 💥BOOM 💥 Problems solved!😅

[@SaiyanMotion]

its just unrealistic and wouldnt happen. No one in the series every wanted to wish for immortality even considering threats like buu. So realistically it just doenst happen.

[@urudjasurnetcher8805]

@SaiyanMotion you are absolutely correcct that its unrealistic because this is a fictional animated story😅 But more importantly this isn't canonically correct stories they are fanfictions!! So what is realistic isn't under condsideration. What is under consideration is a Guardian of Earth that is too weak to Guard Earth???? Here's more realism: A mentally retarded alien and an amnesiac alien that is Kami (God) of Earth that both never seeks to find out anything about themselves, yet one consistently allows his body parts to be removed because it's a threat to others having no clue on how to use or control it, while the other allows himself to slowly grow weaker and incapable of fulfilling his duties while never questioning King Kai on what he is and where are his people, both posess spacecrafts and have knowledge of Bulma and CapsuleCorp but ignored that simple avenue for getting coordinates from the flight recorder!! When Vegeta was desperate to defeat Freiza and Freiza himself both were in search of the Dragon Balls for that specific wish, immortality!?! Kami initially brought Goku to the Lookout to replace him!! Goku is mortal and would age out much much faster!!! It's unrealistic to live as long as Kami has in a fog and not train or want to know your own origins!?! It's as realistic as knowing that your going up against threats seeking to k*ll you but you can't come back if defeated, but if you could stick around you can get stronger and more durable to be able to protect! That's more realistic than learning to sense Ki, using it to fly , enhance your strength, invulnerable to attacks from lesser power levels, disperse energy Balls strong enough to vaporize mountains or planets but can't use it to heal yourself or anyone else!?! Thanks for posting this fanfiction and for your perspective of my comment 🙂

[@whatifnidoking2229]

Get this man to a 100k he needs this boys and girls so please help him

[@SaiyanMotion]

preciate it king

[@whatifnidoking2229]

@SaiyanMotion just saying the truth bud

[@tallwoodsky9902]

8:35 I recall there being a minimum power level for turning Super Saiyan. So, Gohan wouldn't get it (neither would Goku when Krillin died). If he did, then he'd just one-shot the Androids because there's no way he's 50 times weaker than the other Z-fighters after a childhood of training.

[@SaiyanMotion]

@tallwoodsky9902 there’s no minimum power level. The requirement for SSJ is abt S cells, and it’s triggered by rage or it can be triggered by having a calmer spirit like goten.

[@statnerdperspective9063]

@@SaiyanMotionyeah no minimum. Goten and trunks got it while relatively weak.

[@good8619]

Whats the soundtrack at 1:27

[@nullisthewolf]

nice but a big problem: raditz although weakened when someone grabs their tail has stated to have enough power to cut his own tail off, someone would've died there and seeing as how gohan got angered from goku being beat down leading to him damaging raditz and in turn weakening him enough for a determined goku to get him in a full nelson to do the sacrfice, you could say that tien or yamcha couldve done it however if they were knocked out then goku wouldve needed to be the one, this leads to gohan being on their own, the heart virus not being known cause goku is not there, likely that gohan either goes to the past to warn the remaining Z fighters about the androids or all the way back to when goku was about to do the sacrifice to take raditz out himself and either training them himself or leaving to go to the point where the androids were a threat, that also leads to 2 potential outcomes: vegeta and nappa dont go to earth because they dont see any value in avenging raditz or going to earth because they learned of a person so strong that he died in a single punch. Likely that they would not go to earth because gohan would probably have destroyed the scouter in the attack to kill raditz and go to the point were the androids were a threat just to find goku having died and then going back to before that to bring the heart medicine and letting them prepare for the androids. alternatively gohan dies because he didnt unlock ssj however that is unlikely if he did survive, what is more likely is that it takes too long to go back and fourth so many times that he doesnt refuel the time machine in time so the androids get to him first and him dying or the vegeta going to earth situation with the planet being destroyed and gohan either suffocates because its a time machine or gets out of there and the same thing happens because how would he know what the hell happened and when (or he goes back to when raditz dies and stays there)

[@Screen_solar]

Where was it stated that he could cut his tail off while it was being grabbed? And if he could why wouldn’t he when goku grabbed his tail in normal dbz? He instead tried to convince him to let go, and you can’t just say “oh because he might’ve wanted to save great ape for later” because if he knew he was totally about to die he would panic and just get out of their anyway he could asap, but instead of cutting off his tail he begged goku

[@nullisthewolf]

@Screen_solar dbz Manga chapter 203 "Don't mess with dragon ball fans, they haven't watched their own show"

[@Screen_solar]

@@nullisthewolf I wasn’t asking in a rude way I was just genuinely asking I played dbz kakarot but haven’t watched or read normal dragon ball z so I was just saying

[@nullisthewolf]

@Screen_solar so you proved my point then, also sorry if that came out as rude it was more a joke

[@Screen_solar]

@@nullisthewolf it’s all good

[@gbdpro9350]

if buu is not there then there is no one to piss off beerus and goku and gohan giving him a good fight, I dont think he wouldve destroyed the planet, more so just leave without further contact with them

[@SaiyanMotion]

well since Goku isnt on king kai's planet, the first place Beerus goes to is Earth so he wouldn't get sidetracked right away. He would at minimum, find goku and ask him which wouldnt go the right way. I dont think buu contributes at all to beerus destroying Earth cuz he still wants to find the ssg.

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

@@SaiyanMotion Well here's the thing, prior to his introduction to Goku, he destroys *half* a planet for having *half* good food, it was only... Too greasy, from what I recall. Earth, having the *best* food in the universe, stated on multiple occassions by Whis and Beerus, plus having the strongest mortals in his universe, the only ones he can foist off his duties to since Frieza died... I don't think he would blow up the planet *or* kill Goku. I don't think he'd train him in an attempt to get the SSG, but I don't think he'd blow up the planet with the universe's best food, either. Put it this way: Mass-produced, bargain bin Earth food, is better than Universe 6's best food, and Beerus has had competitions with Champa over their respective universe's best food before. Which is a damn good reason, for Beerus at least, to keep Earth around. I think this story realistically ends when all the universes with low mortal ratings get erased by Zeno, since no Tournament of Destroyers would occur to attract Zeno's attention, since Goku wouldn't be on Beerus' planet to suggest it. Theoretically, this could mean Champa finds all the Super Dragon Balls to wish U7 Earth to his universe, behind Beerus' back, but it doesn't change the fact that U6 also gets erased.

[@Mactested]

great vid

[@SaiyanMotion]

thank you!

[@kevinsimpson9876]

Wouldn't Vegeta and Nappa use the power ball against the ginyu force if they were getting stronger on namek I could see them reaching the point of beating ginyu in Oozaru, they also never lost their tails due to not being on earth.

[@Normal_user_coniven]

Actually, before revivng that man in the start, the first revival so far is granda Gohan. Also, the 23th tournament maybe will have Yajirobi in it replacing Krillin. Also, why did you erase Goten from the Buu saga?

[@Jonathanortiz-q8l]

He never came back fully, just for the day.

[@magicfish8213]

Oh he was there. He just didn't do anythinv to nustify being mentioned

[@TrevorCook-s9r]

Can’t they achieve super saiyan god without the other saiyans? Didn’t vegeta do it by himself by training?

[@Ducklolly]

So basically everything goes to crap without the Dragon Balls reviving people

[@Berlinh2]

i understand the appeal of this concept however i don't think dragon ball would be dragon ball this way

[@contato1134]

13:30 WRONG, Beerus wouldn't go to Earth, since Goku never kicked Freeza ass

[@SaiyanMotion]

he was still looking for saiyans he just happened to go to goku first cuz he killed frieza. No reason not to go to Earth here.

[@ValtAoi_Glazer]

Beerus was original just gonna go leave earth but got angered by fat buu. Without fatbuu i doubt hed get angery enough to destroy the planet so theyd probably last till zeno decides to erase everything

[@SaiyanMotion]

I disagree. Beerus went to king kais first and stayed on target, fighting goku. But since he goes to Earth FIRST he doesnt get distracted and would talk to Goku first still. And you know how goku is, he would probably try and start a fight for fun anyway. I dont think buu effects the overall objective, beerus wants to see ssg, so hes not gonna leave without seeing it.

[@ValtAoi_Glazer]

Well just have supreme kai get in the way by telling beerus about there heroic act of killing majin buu and saving the universal

[@humanityfreedom5335]

I have a few disagreements. First Vegeta and nappa will never find out about the dragon balls so namek will be safe unless frieza decides to conquer the planet. Second I don't think Gohan will be twice as strong as goku in the buu saga I believe gohan will be slightly stronger then Goku in the buu saga. Third Beerus won't destroy the earth. The god vision might not happen. Even if it did. Namek dragon balls will still be around. Vegeta and nappa will most likely still be alive. Broly and his father is alive. Also Beerus only got upset because of buu. Without buu getting beerus upset earth will ne fine.

[@swingsucksGD]

it’s simple the series would be completely ended by the android saga

[@dogma06]

Dragon ball can’t read, Goku didn’t let go off Raditz tail, because he was merciful or anything. He did it because Raditz could simply cut off his tail

[@ducksaregood788v3]

you could just wish they never died lol

[@SaiyanMotion]

defeats the purpose of the video... and they wouldntt do that lol.

[@JoLiKMC]

Okay, but… let's pretend _Super_ and _Battle of Gods_ don't exist. What would happen after the Buu Saga, then? Same as it ever was? Follow-up: What would happen in _Dragon Ball GT?_

[@SaiyanMotion]

if BoG doesnt happen, then they wait around until zeno erases them because the TOP was a chance for them to save themselves, zeno was planning on erasing all the universes except the ones that didnt participate because of their higher mortal level. As for the follow up, gt isnt canon.

[@JoLiKMC]

_"GT_ isn't canon", says the guy who uses Super Saiyan 4 Goku as his icon. _I_ see how it is… 🙄

[@ssjsal2159]

And frieza still alive lol

[@whybari]

wouldnt opa begin a z figher because he iws filled withv rage

[@joannaandrade395]

i do feel beerus would let them lose and maybe even invlove them into fusion and the two fused would be above ssj god goku for sure and i feel gohan and goku would train for ssj god powers and gohan wants a new path of power but him learning god ki would make him a boost anmd i do feel goku would get ssj god and blue with gohan even being stronger so no golden frieza arc happends and we skip to the u6 saga and i think gohan would be able to learn beast why a normal gohan with no god ki{ less potinioal} meaning with god ki and with more training that would get gohan and goku in u6 saga the uv team will be oku gohan picccolo and tien and they would fight and i think the goku vs frost and i think goku vs frost will be goku cause base level goku will be well enough to beat frost and he fights and bets everybody until hit the two wpould clash and i think goku will win and with no kaiok would have masterd ssj blue and beats hit and they would still wish for a new earth and the top will begn i feel the goku black arc will never happend and the team will be goku gohan piccolo tien and i think they would go around looking for gighters and beerus will find frieza and they would train him although he would be weaker meaning they only have 6 fighters so with yamcha u7 would be really bad so but i feel that beast gohan with a better masterd ultra insinct will win the top and they would still win and i feel they would want all there frie4nds to be alive cause the super dragons can kill zeno so they can revive anybody and its a happy ending

Wouldn't Goku unlock Super Saiyan from the deaths, meaning he never dies to raditz cause if he does bye bye and since deaths is permanent this is bad in dbs and dbz

[@Screen_solar]

You could argue two things about future gohan for why he was so weak 1. He didn’t know how to properly train but in this what if he was trained since birth so he would know how to properly train 2. He was wasting time trying to train a weak future trunks and obviously you won’t grow much when fighting weaker opponents but in this story he’s training himself only In conclusion I think future gohan in this what if would be able to push beyond his limits and beat the androids, maybe not getting ssj2 but still

[@JorArg-c7s]

This shouldn't pass the saiyan saga, Android saga most

[@Noob1234ololol]

Early 1 hour ago

[@DJMTheKing21]

All of your stories of db are just one offs and sad endings it’s really boring

[@SaiyanMotion]

I think I’ve had maybe 2 bad endings. Not every what if is gonna end happy. Especially not what if death was permanent lmao.And they’re one offs because I don’t like to do parts. It’s not needed. If a story is long I do an hour long video instead… but if it’s short I’m gonna do a 15 minute video. I keep my what ifs realistic, not gonna pull out SSj4 limit breaker to fight beerus 🤷‍♂️

[@Sole_x_animations]

I DID NOT enjoy this.

[@NewBestBroCentralKing]

Ok

[@Miguelitoedits1]

Good for you

[@Isuckatanime-pw5cn]

Make yours to enjoy 😊😊

[@magicfish8213]

You should report this KZbinr for wasting your time.

[@Sole_x_animations]

@magicfish8213 nah, the story was interesting just don't feel right having everybody dying before the real shi happen.

[@imsocentral2872]

I like this

[@the_sam_strong]

But Beerus only was going to wipe out Earth after Buu made him enraged and to motivate Goku to do his best during their fight, initially Beerus was going to leave after he found out there was no super saiyan god on earth. Also I doubt that Frieza wouldn't have tried to attack Earth if he was still alive in all those years. His empire would have expanded like crazy and eventually he would have come across Earth and try to conquer it.