Sajam Reads Domination 101 pt. 2 | "On Cheapness"

streamed June 24, 2020
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[@iliakatster]

Meanwhile Justin Wong: "You gon' learn!"

[@pottedplant37_]

That's one of my favorite fgc clips lol

[@XLNC_YL]

Ever have someone tell you that using the C Stick in Smash Bros. is cheap? When using part of the CONTROLLER itself, not even a strategy, is called cheap, you've gone too far.

[@Magus12000BC]

Try using the C-Stick on the Gamecube port of CvS2.

[@thisistherun4015]

The C stands for cheap

[@Adderflail]

Cheap starts with a C, C-stick starts woth a C, can't explain that

[@landoncore92]

@@Magus12000BC that shit is super fun hahaha it was the only way I could play as a kid.

[@deadfr0g]

Are you referring to the Gamecube’s big yellow Cheese stick? Because I’m lactose-intolerant, bro.

[@Cezkarma]

I remember thinking I was slick at fighting games because I only ever played against my friends. I thought I was godlike, unbeatable. Then I jumped online in a few different fighting games and struggled to get a single win for weeks. That was honestly the most humbling experience I've had.

[@larseunic]

This is an important phase yeah

[@Kilesfactor]

Bruh, this “honor” thing even goes outside of fighting games now. Just a day ago, I fought someone on the Starcraft II ladder where I won with 12 units doing the most brain dead shit ever. And his response: “I won because I played fair”. Fucking funnest shit I’ve seen that day.

[@heinokunzelmann8967]

It goes even outside of gaming, ever heard of the Bushido code of honor. Japan was the land of scrubs back in the day

[@jimbo5266]

@@heinokunzelmann8967 Sorry to be an "aktcuallyyy" guy, but Bushido was not an ancient Japense code. It was actually created by a Japanese author (who knew more about Western Culture than his own) who wanted to give Japan an equivalent to the European code of Chivalry. Only later was it re-adopted in WWII, when the Japanese government started using revisionist history to create patrotism for the war. Source: www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/ I know this is an essay comment, but it's a very interesting misconception, and it's largely due to Samurai moves and revisionist history. In reality, there were Samurai battles where the winner was decided by someone defecting. And Samurai themselves were hardly honorable. "The way of the Samurai is Death" was coined by Samurai in a period where they had desk jobs far away from any battlefield.

[@jojak0512]

@@jimbo5266 damn. Is anything in history cool or is all that made up?

[@jimbo5266]

@@jojak0512 Well, I think the deception itself is more interesting than if Bushido were real. In fact, I think a lot of interesting events in history involve hoaxes or lies.

[@jimbo5266]

@Hunter Rayna Pretty much exactly. I think there are a lot less badasses in history than most people say, but there's a whole lot more funny stuff, that people avoid because it makes them look bad.

[@Fulldre]

I remember getting into fighting games in '09, and one of my friends was complaining about fireballs. Another more experienced friend just turned to him mid match and was like, "figure it out." and proceeded to just space and throw fireballs for like 4 matches until his opponent discovered neutral jump walk is actually a thing to consider.

[@naejimba]

My older brother learned how to do a fireball before I did when we first got SFII and he instinctively used it over and over. When I asked him why didn't he try anything else he said: if it's working, why would I do anything else until you learn how to beat it? So then I learned about timing and spacing on jump ins because he was too predictable, and I would often would just use fireballs myself to stale mate and frustrate him and force him to make a move. So he learned to vary his timing and strengths on fireballs, and about timing and spacing on his own jump ins to get in on me. I learned how to DP first to counter that, so then he learned how to DP to counter my jump ins, etc. etc. Classic Ryu Ken rivalry and it makes me sad he doesn't want to relearn how to play them with me now that we are adults. There were no real guides (other than the commands for specials in the instruction booklet) and it was the wild west. Neither of us cared too much about winning or losing since we were learning and trying out new things (but I'm not gonna lie there was some salt). You get bodied over and over by what seems cheap in the process. It was AMAZING to have someone close to my level to grow with, but you can emulate that same thing by just doing something "cheap" over and over with a new player. You can even give them hints or different options to deal with it to make it less frustrating. Describe "bull dogging" and have them practice it until they can get close enough to stuff a fireball with a normal. Next let's try neutral jumps. Now try jump ins. See how I could sweep you? You were too close to jump forward and should have neutral jumped. See how I was able to DP you? Your timing was off because I could recover in time. Etc. Getting bodied is the only way to learn, you just have to reframe it as a problem for YOU to solve instead of something the opponent needs to change.

[@freeizzy8395]

Customers assure me they used to know were everything was until we moved everything around. Even through its perfectly ok to not remember were things are and have to ask an employee, they have to (idk) preserve their ego and feel like its our fault. Dispite our store having the same layout for the last 3 years. There is just a type of person who cant admit fault even when there is no actual fault.

[@ashtar3876]

How big does your ego have to be to have to feel superior to others by remembering where groceries are lmao

[@Kintaku]

I’ll never forget the time some one messaged me angrily calling me a “block spammer” in vanilla MK11… a game with the strongest throws I’ve ever seen. I laughed so hard. That was the first time I’d ever seen that insult.

[@Soapy_Papoose]

Those "honor" kids run rampant in the Souls series too.

[@bogeyt15games55]

I came from for honor where 90% of players are like that. Granted that game has some degenerate ass strategies and is not even close to competitive so eh

[@snapblack4516]

BogeyT15 Games Every once in-awhile I head back to that game and I’ve now realized the only reason, in my opinion, to really get through a fight in the game is to see the sweet ass execution in your sweet ass armor. Other than that it isn’t really a great fighting game experience.

[@NukeHP]

If you want to rile up Souls honorkids, start talking favorably about DkS1 backstabs. The fact that I still see that argument pop up after this long is mind boggling.

[@bennymountain1]

Scrub is universal.

[@rossanderson4156]

@@NukeHP as a member of the dks1 pvp community, backstabs here are beloved but you're totally right in that people will always cry about it

[@_Digishade_]

If you're getting owned by "x" thing, you need to learn why. Get in there. Do the work. Get good.

[@Jadedx_]

This is an essay on understanding the mindset of online Ken's, "Stop blocking bro and learn to mash DP!" Rage quit special.

[@Razertas]

Man, my friends are FURIOUS about me playing Ferry in granblue when i'm not even good at zoning yet.

[@MishimaTyler]

She’s not even good, she requires such perfect execution that if you allow me to push you to the corner at all you’re screwed

[@lrdalucardart]

Know the fells. She used to be better, but she wasn't broken.

[@meddlingmage23]

I played ferry and Zooey just cuz they were hot. But yeah I got a lot of hate for playing ferry, and I did know what I was doing.

[@MH3Raiser]

There are some things which are legitimately cheap, but the only way to know is to first treat it as if it isn't and exhaust a LOT of effort trying to counter it. It's not a short cut to actually find a cheap tactic, it's giving up after a long period of struggle. If you call something cheap because it seems to work well every time and just assume there's no counter, then guess what: it wasn't cheap... YOU were to 'cheap' to expend the effort to prove it was cheap

[@NihongoWakannai]

Yeah, it's annoying because there are the people who will just call everything that beats them cheap. But then there are the other people who think nothing can ever be cheap and everything is 100% fair all the time, even if a game is obviously broken and unbalanced.

[@MH3Raiser]

@@NihongoWakannai Exactly. At the end of the day, there are always going to be moves, tactics and even whole characters that are 'cheap' by the literal definition of the word: a low cost high reward option. Whether the amount of cheap things in a game is too much or the cheapness is too severe is simply a factor on whether you choose to carry on playing, but no matter where any of us go there will be cheapness. Because of that I personally believe the better skill is learning how to deal with cheapness rather than trying to avoid it, because it will always find you XD

[@mappybc6097]

"In the Usenet days idiots would argue for weeks and never budge even when confronted with overwhelming evidence" So, pretty much the same as in 2020 i guess?

[@itsJoNada]

and in 2021, spoiler alert

[@zekrua4006]

@@itsJoNada looking forward to 2022 being the same way

[@sourcesauce]

lol

[@MastaGambit]

@@zekrua4006 2023, and it's still a thing :)

[@pedroscoponi4905]

One of the hardest things to come terms with is that people have always been people, they're just more _visible_ now XD

[@AkibanaZero]

Honor is such a butchered word. It's a combination of popular culture, misconceptions about warrior codes and "fight like man" ass-monkery. Sure, the samurai had a code to go by but once someone who didn't give a minuscule of a fuck discovered new techniques (look up Miyamoto Musashi, for instance) they had to eventually adapt. Imagine being a tribal person with a slingshot and a spear facing off against a colonist with a rifle. Honor was never about how you win. We just know of the people who survived long enough to preach it. Being honorable is about being a decent person, aka not-an-asshole. Like Musashi, there was nothing wrong with learning how to fight with two swords when everyone else was only using one. It's just called evolution of skill.

[@NihongoWakannai]

It's about creating a good environment for everyone. A videogame should be fun. If everyone just uses cheap-ass tactics against each other then no one has fun. You've sucked all the joy out of the videogame and turned it into a chore where you just repeat the same boring flowchart over and over to get a pointless win in a videogame that has no bearing on reality. This isn't a battlefield where we are fighting for our freedom and our livelihoods. This is a videogame and so many people seem to forget that games are supposed to be fun. Games that actually get proper balance patches for PvP are fine. But games that don't need some ground rules so the game is actually enjoyable and not a broken mess.

[@pedroscoponi4905]

Iirc, most of the samurai code of honor was about your psychological approach to a fight, how to be a good retainer, day-to-day nobility, etc. It wasn't really about "fighting fair". Again, iirc.

[@ScaredEz]

Aaah one of my favourite Seth article. My absolute favourite one in the series is Controlling Space. As someone who plays mostly zoners, its advice is something that I always think back on

[@deadfr0g]

12:12 Big Rollback is trying to take away our delay-based rights!

[@deadfr0g]

Go figure that delay-based supporters are very slow to accept change.

[@madafaka2666]

@@deadfr0g I guess it depends on the person, I myself prefeer Delay after having experienced both systems, my way of viewing it is that delay is way easier to adapt to than rollback: On delay, it usually doesn't change much, i just gotta adapt my button presses a lil' depending of how much delay we have. However, in my experience (Granted, may not be very big, but it is there), rollback has given me way more trouble: Moves that conect, but then don't, opponent teleporting around the screen, being unable to react to moves, even one time that i won but the rollback cut that part off. I can see why people may prefeer rollback, but I honestly prefeer Delay myself, it is just my humble opinion

[@Azmodeus87]

"You can give a scrub a Strategy guide, but you can't make him think." Seth Musashi

[@Dahras1]

Everything you said about how people think if they can do all the moves the pros do, they are as good as the pros is so real. Its basically the FGC equivalent of saying that Jackson Pollock is a bad painter because anyone can splash paint on a canvas. Yeah, true, but did YOU? Did you in the 1950'S? Same thing with people who say because they can do hard trials in SFIV they are as good as Diago. Well if that's true, enter a tournament and show it then.

[@vegaspony]

that's cool and all but Pollock does suck

[@vaderwalks]

@@vegaspony Took the words right outta my mouth

[@Payohloh]

For the record I actually did splash paint on a canvas, it’s not that hard

[@Copperhell144]

"Did YOU do it tho?" is pretty much the art version of "muh first speech" for bad arguments - if the best thing you can say about your art is that "Nobody else did it!" then your art isn't worth shit.

[@Pandaman64]

Not sure you can compare Not showing up to tourneys and taking a major to not being born in the 1950s. I'd go as far as to say comparing a competitive event to a solitary one is folly.

[@multistuff9831]

In the hftf scene there is an honorable way to play actually, and it’s more or less jp locked. Stuff such as vanilla iced meterless ub oki or jotaros 50/50 star finger oki (which are both inescapable and cost 0 meter to do and can lead to a round win because you guessed wrong on oki or simply got hit once by a stray 2a). The things they’ll do is stuff like not using loops, going for tech chase instead of oki, and much more stuff i can’t remember is seen as respectable in the community and the western meta admits that if our best players were to play against a known jp player, both using their accepted rules, the jp would win every time.

[@-dekoi-7268]

Keep reading articules like this one! Love this section 👏

[@lorentsenjr]

You should go through Sirlin's Playing to Win as well ^^

[@oh_gosh]

"Helps or ultimately hurts the game" *Mist finer wallbounce flashbacks*

[@Magicicada]

No no, see, it's fair because Johnny is hard. That's why there are only a few Johnny players because he's so difficult. Oh wait everybody plays Johnny and everybody can do his combos.

[@amircat1009]

GladiatorDood the hard part about Johnny is his mist finer cancels for his pressure and combos. not everyone can do them, they are hard. but after being a Johnny main for so long they come as second nature.

[@AkibanaZero]

I apologise for the comment-spam but this needs to also be said. "On Cheapness" is an article that never gets old for one simple reason: we never stop calling things cheap. The term actually changes its form but never its function. At some point in time, it morphed into "comeback mechanics" and "broken characters". We think that it's not the same because we give it a different name. But when we complain about something in the game that is destroying us, we are calling it "cheap". If it's intended to be in the game, then it's fair use by all.

[@alteredroot1541]

I can't help but feel that you did not read the article. S-Kill clearly states that a win button would be a cheap thing in a game. It does not matter that it is "intended" to be in the game and it does not matter if it is "fair" to use it because everyone can. It is still cheap. His whole argument was that cheap things do exist in games but judging something as cheap is a difficult and sophisticated judgement to make which is in the most cases made by people who do not have the necessary insight and experience in a game to really make a judgement like that. Thus those aforementioned players falsely label things as cheap that clearly aren't. Complaining about things in games is a necessary thing if the complaints are valid. Otherwise games will stop to evolve into better products.

[@AkibanaZero]

@@alteredroot1541 Is a comeback mechanic or a cheap character the same as a "win" mechanic? If both players have access to the same systems, how is it cheap to use them and win with them?

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

Nice, I've been waiting for this one.

[@broceedwin]

It would be good if Sajam can make a video about the book Playing to Win, it's an FGC classic and it expand plenty in all of these topics

[@dreadpiratekiel]

Best FGC content out right now. Thank you for being you.

[@noboty4168]

"You're not that far off." I feel like there's a story here.

[@AsteriskBlue]

Right? I wanna hear more

[@kanerigney6030]

Yeah definitely, give it up sajam!

[@thatoneloser9623]

ah yes everyone knows that the way to deal with a monster when you are a kid is to hold them at half screen with pokes to try to bait an air approach to DP

[@Silversk3108]

Once i start winning against sf3 yun, I stopped calling him a cheap character, but I still taunt yun players

[@meddlingmage23]

Yeah most people fear Jinei Jin, but the real threat is the command grab.

[@AsteriskBlue]

Chip KOs are wholesome and pure. And comebacks that avoid them are way more hype.

[@roadhoundd.]

There’s a reason why in MMA there are certain banned techniques and strikes. If you ever want to learn what to study for life or death situations, the banned list is a good place to start.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

I see Sajam, I like then learn.

[@notsogreatsword1607]

I advise anyone who hates zoning as a play-style to watch this and then watch Dragon playing Cetrion vs SonicFox playing jackie - its at evo or something. Sonicfox is fucking relentless and Dragon keeps up with him with his zoning. It just gives a great sense of how hard it is to zone out a player who plays smart and doesn't let himself get flustered by his opponent's zoning. The whole reason zoning gets called cheap is because so many people don't know how to deal with it and have never tried to learn how to deal with it. Instead they get angry and blame the game. At least thats what it seems like. That match had me on the edge of my seat and it got me looking at zoning for what it is - just another way to play that adds variety to a game. If you're into Star Wars I'd say it's like Obi Wan vs Anakin - defensive form vs. aggressive form. Outcome is a bit different though... oh and theres no twirling lightsabers lol.

[@richman6974]

What do you meen i shouldn't hit my opponent right after a knock down? I wanna win!

[@Neon-yj9xw]

The Guilty Gear scrub rants are gonna be legendary, since you can Roman cancel an opponent’s wakeup and get free oki.

[@flerphead]

Nothing feels better than being called combo spammer and block spammer

[@AndrewRKenny]

These are bangers.

[@eldiablosmurf]

your an absolute database bro thank u for so much good content to learn from

[@kylematthiesen4097]

Gold Lewis taking that chip damage to a whole new level😂

[@mattgoo]

i just picked up sam sho v special on ps4. anyone wanna teach me how to play (with "honor")? haha

[@JenTheTG]

Don’t

[@firehyphen1814]

Pick yoshitora and spam jump heavy slash

[@bruceleeds7988]

NEVER press Circle!

[@FahmiZFX]

Just Heavy Slash everything.

[@Azmodeus87]

Win using only kicks, and taunt at least once each round. :P

[@pommer2128]

I can't believe people played the original Street Fighter 2 in arcades and got the idea that it was supposed to be competitive/skill based given that it was apparently one of the first arcade games of its type and the American buttons+sticks are so ass, you can barely control the damn game

[@bruceleeds7988]

It's because US saw SF2 and immediately thought "Bloodsport" and "Karate Kid"

[@ellagage1256]

Broke : Motion inputs were added to give extra depth to the gameplay Woke : Motion inputs were added because you would accidentally do them jiggling the crappy stick

[@Rexory_]

Honestly I use to hate playing "cheap", until I realized that if they aren't smart enough to stop me, then it's not really my problem. I would knock someone down In SF and upon them standing up I'd just hit Sweep, and they'd fall down and when they'd get back up I'd do it again until I won, got bored, or they were smart enough to stop it.

[@CylonDorado]

The problem I think is these Honorable Players are louder and more widespread then ever.

[@level12fighter]

Is Seth calling LTG out in that article? /s

[@third-ratedude4234]

Idk, "l was blocking" sounds more like DSP

[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@third-ratedude4234 ltg saying "cheap!" fits tho

[@TheForhekset]

Throwing is cheap, special moves are cheap, blocking is cheap, playing the game is cheap you should just let me win. I can't believe people complaining about throws is still a thing, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. And in most cases you beat throws by attacking, so you can literally beat a throw with any button.

[@cenizen]

Thank you Sajam for the free audio book!!

[@tophernoferXD]

You and Max are literally the reason I continue fighting games. I might compete for the first time at an event here soon for strive for fun. Maybe I'll join a lobby sometime soon.

[@borederlands5387]

Bruh the rising thunder wiki page in the description gives me a 404

[@leaomarinho5023]

Man, the thing that gets me about these articles is how little they talk about non-capcom games. The fgc was really single minded at the time

[@Sage009]

We're talking about an era where only Capcom was making good games, so it makes sense.

[@bruceleeds7988]

@@Sage009 Capcom was Never the only company making good games, the were the company with the most popular game

[@theoya]

@@Sage009 This article was written after the release of Guilty Gear XX, Virtua Fighter 4, Jojo, and Melty Blood.

[@WaluTime]

​@@theoya Jojo was literally a Capcom game what are you talking about.

[@MrSonicDoctor]

I'ma start calling scrubs goombas.

[@Bobafettea]

Sajam should make his own domination 101 article

[@SupermanSajam]

I don't think I could write anything this mean

[@kholdkhaos64ray11]

@@SupermanSajam Everyone has the Akuma in them. You have to channel your inner hatred of Twitch chat and Twitter into written hado

[@meddlingmage23]

Look, cheapness just means your opponent hasn't adapted and punished your cheese

[@JagoShogun]

Honor is just people online gaslighting eachother to think there's only one way to play. If it's in the game, and not hacking, it's part of it.

[@tbc1880]

How early I am is truly cheap.

[@tmanfit]

Lol I had someone dm yesterday that "I was blocking too much and I was cheap for doing so", I tried to tell him thats just good fundamentals but those words fell on deaf ears... Can't save them all

[@mr.madhatter5538]

From a casual standpoint. Personally fighting zoning Characters is not fun. I don't call zoners cheap, but i do 1 game and done them online on the regular.

[@LunkLanguage]

I do feel like that depends on the game you're playing. I hear the competitive meta in NRS games is zoning. Meaning It's both annoying and the most effective competitive strategy. I think it's fair to call that cheap. On the opposite end of the spectrum in SFV I think it's all right to call akuma cheap. Turns out regardless of archetype. Strong characters have cheap moves that's why they're strong characters. But as a more competitive player you still gotta learn to deal with it. Instead of disregarding it entirely as a "dishonorable" tactic. And refusing to accept personal inability to deal with the strategy.

[@dj_koen1265]

If a game feels cheap i dont bother to get better And i think a lot of people feel the same way

[@rpgtimefire]

Do scrubs not realize blocking 90% of everything in mixups and neutral is godlike.

[@TheShayminGamer]

Received a message after my opponent RQ’ed in DBFZ that read: “All you do is block you stupid bitch”

[@Brass_Heathen]

I'm on the fence with chip damage. It works in tekken but a lot of games do need it.

[@greenshadow131]

The reason it works in tekken is because of how strong lows are. There are unseeable low and mid pokes that make up for the fact that blocking has no chip. If a game does not have this concept, then it needs chip

[@bruceleeds7988]

The WORST thing Capcom did was take chip out of SFV

[@Copperhell144]

@@bruceleeds7988 ...chip damage exists in SFV, what do you mean? They only took out non-super chip kills.

[@raics101]

@@Copperhell144 And it was probably a good call, it brings in a decision element of "Do I spend all my resources that I might need in the next round to close this out, or am I confident enough to do it normally", and it can be pretty hype when the guy with no life left manages to block some pretty impossible shit for the next 30 seconds and ultimately takes the round. Being able to die while doing an armor move with no life left was also a good decision, I think, even though making urien's vs1 entirely useless when in that situation probably wasn't ideal.

[@decapvada]

Wise man once said, the first round starts at the character selection screen

[@PAPALIKO]

This articles should be rename “I don’t give a fuck about your feelings” article 🤣😂😅 Man the good old days of the FGC, where having emotions would get you killed.

[@MADSVPERVILLAIN]

s kill is just boomer sajam

[@Jaynesslessly]

you can not tell me hulk spamming his rush move and jump S with lariat and drones with online lag isnt the most brain dead thing to fight against

[@agaed7676]

I think zoning is not very fun to play against but it is not easy I will get mad at Ice Climbers zoning me with blizzard but I will never claim to be able to half of what they do

[@El-Burrito]

I remember getting hate mail on PS3 injustice cause I was beating a guy using the same jump in max damage combo over and over. He called me out for not doing different, less damaging combos.

[@niwona_]

Wait didn't James Chen make that MvC2 Gamefaqs doc?

[@MoldMonkey93]

The word has definitely changed. You only ever call something cheap now BECAUSE you're a good player that understands the system of your respective fighting game. If something has almost zero answer or counter (Unless you pick a particular char back) and goes against the general meta/playstyle of the game, you can call it cheap because you've actually tried all the options.

[@MoldMonkey93]

Recent example would be Knee crying for Leroy nerfs.

[@MoldMonkey93]

If you check the stats in USF4, the "C" stands for cheap and not chip.

[@PlagueFather]

NRS community should read this..

[@brningpyre]

I have so many friends that watch TI and claim they're better than the DotA pros winning millions of dollars. So many friends that yell at the players in a hockey game that make "the obvious wrong call". People will complain about "CHEAP" defensive passing formations in soccer/football, and blue-line traps in hockey. People constantly over-evaluate themselves in every field, and insert themselves into everything they watch.

[@Bowizzles]

Aris wrote that article 😆

[@tkpipo]

I'm so ready to learn from the FGC historian Sajam :)

[@Bounty2223]

SRW represents!

[@jbulletc]

Vanilla Deadshot's zoning in INJ2 honestly was cheap though. The zoning was so broken that spamming trolls were literally beating pro players on ranked. Let's not pretend that cheap stuff doesnt exist.

[@r15835]

Personally, I think a game shouldn't kill on chip when blocking normals and special moves. The player should be rewarded to a certain extent on making right calls to block instead of panic mashing, or trying to deal more damage by extending their unsafe combo. It SHOULD kill when blocking a super move with no meter, or non-just defends.

[@malcovich_games]

Chip kills are totally earned by the aggressor. Because if only the defender played better that round, they won't be put in a position and life total to get chipped out. P.S. Not saying games that don't allow chip kills are bad. It's just a different design philosophy. Just referring to playing in games that allow chipouts.

[@blackneotheone2978]

The ltg Memoirs

[@blackneotheone2978]

Vega off the wall attack in st over and over is cheap tell me im wrong 🤔

[@Brass_Heathen]

Sajam, your scrub is showing. 10:17

[@dj_koen1265]

He is just stating the obvious but with a snarky tone At first I thought he was just a salty elitist but upon reading this article i noticed that he is just saying things that make a 100% sense But in that case I already knew and understood the point he was trying to make So that makes me wonder what the snarky tone accomplishes if it just distracts you from the point he is trying to make Insulting people is a great way to garner attention But a horrible way to ensure that people will listen to what you have to say even if they are trying to sift through all the negativity especially when that negativity is not directly related to the topic

[@dj_koen1265]

And i know why he did it But i still disagree with it

[@texteel]

the only honor I ever demanded was in dark souls pvp. I would rage at anyone who tried lots vs 1.

[@SuwakoMoriya]

And then the players who call "cheap" to everything reach the devs, and thus, GG Strive is born.

[@Sheenulus]

Nah, in GGST, things new players would call cheap run rampant.

[@SuwakoMoriya]

There always will be something to call cheap

[@Neon-yj9xw]

Suwako Moriya that aged well, the new Roman cancel mechanics are gonna piss off so many people day one

[@SuwakoMoriya]

@@Neon-yj9xw They aren't exactly new, they were in the beta and the presentations before it.

[@tanyaharmon6739]

LTG

[@BoostedBonobo101]

I think the best Fighting game to showcase the whole 'simplicity for the sake of simplicity making a game bad and FILLED with actual cheapness' problem is BlazBlue CrossTag. That game has shown me how NOT to make a fighting game. They literally just ignored all the shit to make a fair and fun game to sell a god damn cash grab. Really hope this sort of thinking doesn't become a norm in fighting games. Would honestly love more Fighters like UNI or Guilty Gear.

[@madafaka2666]

How come? I don't know anything about the game, so I'm curious, what things did BBCT do that are actual cheap?

[@redwoulf1310]

Ty sajam for removing the r word. We on the ADA appreciate that.

[@FilthyGrandma]

When did Seth Killian was Nietzsche of fighting games