The New Batman Adventures: Everyone Missed The Point

[@MechaMike]

Despite being mixed on some of the design changes I always thought TNBA had some really solid episodes, I had no idea it had such a mixed reputation.

[@jihadthegeneral]

Me either. I loved it for the fact that the characters grew & evolved. I just hated how sparingly Nightwing was used & a few of the character designs.

[@adriantheabstract]

I really liked it.

[@blueblur2273]

Objectively TNBA is better than BTAS - The action is better - The characters have more depth to them - Less censorship - Dialogue is better - Interaction between characters are better - Better pacing - And yes for the most part the designs are better and more sleek.

[@donjon1179]

@@blueblur2273I won’t say any of those are better than BTAS but they’re just as good

[@PettyPrinzeJr]

That's because you were probably a kid and now these are grown ass adults complaining about saturday morning cartoons. Over the Edge is a fantastic episode, and my favorite among both shows.

[@micahrutland9021]

I loved Batman TAS...but I also really loved the Batman/Superman hour. Where one Batman and one Superman episode were shown back to back. That was always a delightful hour of television.

[@VALonYouTube]

Are you referring to Kids'WB! or Cartoon Network? 🤔

[@jordanwright2072]

@@VALonKZbin Kids' WB

[@VALonYouTube]

@@jordanwright2072 Gosh, I miss those days when we still had physical WB Studio Stores across the country. 🤩

[@micahrutland9021]

@@VALonKZbin yeah, I guess I am. Been a long time. I loved Batman as a kid, and still love him just as much as an adult.

[@caryslan5890]

I have always viewed the New Batman Adventures as a bridge to Justice League. Batman: The Animated Series focused on the Batman Mythos alone, with the idea that Batman was the only active hero. Superman The Animated Series introduced a second major hero to this world, and introduced other heroes like The Flash, Green Lantern, and Aquaman showing that Batman was not alone. The New Batman Adventures brought Batman into this expanded universe which also showcases him working with characters outside the Batman Mythos. It also sees him extend his partnerships beyond Robin by working not just with Batgirl and Nightwing, but other heroes like Superman. This sets through stage for Justice League where Batman not only works as a partner alongside other heroes, but forces the Dark Knight to tackle the more sci-fi, mythical, and magical aspects of the DC Universe. Of course, this was not planned out at the time, but when looking at the shift in tone for The New Batman Adventures, it makes sense if you look at it as a bridge towards Justice League .

[@TheShop90sKids]

Me too. If anything reruns of The Batman Adventures is what got me back into DC right before Justice League aired when I was in middle school. I was born in 90, so the BTAS was out when I was still a toddler so I obviously didn’t appreciate it until I got older but, Cartoon Network showed mostly reruns of Batman adventures. So I could never hate on it.

[@TheNotoriousPunk3709]

I agree, very well said

[@KnarfStein]

It helps that the art styles were all overseen by Timm, lending another layer of cohesion across the different series.

[@isaiahyinko7182]

@@TheShop90sKids you were born in 1990?

[@TheShop90sKids]

@@isaiahyinko7182 yeah

[@Storyograph]

I remember being very annoyed when they changed up the art style the day "Holiday Knights" aired. But now looking back, I'm glad we got a pretty solid "Bat-Family" show, with a few episodes that could stand up with TAS any day. That one when the girl finds out she's Clayface... I was about Tim Drake's age when that aired. I wasn't expecting to be that sad on a Saturday morning...

[@skrappothemonster1436]

I just recently rewatched TNBA a few days ago and man... that episode hit just as hard as it did the first time I ever watched it in 2005.

[@InternetRodent]

Batman’s personality shift works when u think of it in context with the entire DCAU as a complete arc

[@5keeper7ful]

The new style was changed to be more in line with Superman TAS, which started in ‘96.

[@mateusnogueira7340]

The best thing out of TNBA for me is the flashback from Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. Thats the real conclusion of the show and its a masterpiece

[@brandonholloman6835]

That too !

[@shriderrad4123]

but thats isn't TNBA, that's Batman Beyond which arguably was more in tone with BTAS

[@meursault7030]

Absolute banger

[@darrylbrian]

That flashback scene blew my mind the first time I saw it. So epic !

[@skrappothemonster1436]

I still consider *Growing Pains* the most heartbreaking episode in the entire DCAU. TNBA is so underrated...

[@Johnlindsey289]

I cried as a teen

[@Russellkobaly]

Thank you I kept waiting for him to talk about it

[@blytheguy7510]

I was always able to accept the change between styles because it was building towards a larger shared universe. TAS wouldn't have transitioned as well to a more streamlined style. I still say that was the coolest Scarecrow we've ever had. And the fact that they got veteran horror actor Jeffrey Combs (Reanimator, Frighteners) to voice him was icing on the cake. I actually met his brother when I briefly worked at a liquor store. I know the show took a slight dip in quality as far as writing, but the creators had a lot on their plate and it paved the way to better shows. After that was Batman Beyond, Justice League, and JL Unlimited. Those were stellar shows. Still the best Justice League ever put to screen in my opinion. TNBA may have had a couple of missteps, but they were mistakes I feel they learned from. Regardless of anything, the body of work they produced between TAS and JLU is some of the best animated shows we've ever had. They still hold up over time and it's still great for all ages. When I'm old and gray, I'll probably watch those cartoons.

[@largefactory]

Facts, Justice League still has my favorite portrayals on any screen of Superman and Wonder Woman

[@akilbrazier1421]

I rewatch all those shows from time to time and they literally never get old. Holding up is an understatement.

[@dinloud.3887]

@@largefactorythe first five minutes of the first episode of the first season has possibly my favourite Batman clip…

[@largefactory]

@@dinloud.3887 - I’m gonna have to go back and rewatch now 👍

[@dinloud.3887]

@@largefactory I’m a bat-freak, but watching it again and again still gives me that really good feeling you get when a show captures your imagination perfectly… part of it might even be because I anticipated the JL show so much, but that bat-focused opener was so far beyond and not what I’d been expecting…

[@alexandrefrauches132]

For me TNBA is both the bridge between Batman TAS and the larger DCAU as well the bridge between BTAS and Batman Beyond. In the first case, it shows Batman's wolrd evolving, going from this grounded noir crime drama to more fantastic sci-fy side of Batman. Instead of fighting mobsters, Batman is now having to deal with more super villains, mad scientists and other weird opponents. On the other, it shows the beginning of Bruce losing his humanity to his Batman persona, cleary a result of Batman spending so much time fighting this monsters that, by TNBA point, he's finally suffering from burnout, no longer showing the same level of emotions as before (all this represent by Kevin Conry, whose voice slowly loses it's distiction each series). He's just a stern vigilante focus is only on the mission. All this lead tos Batman becoming the Old Man Bruce from Batman Beyond. No longer a charismatic billionaries, just old man alone living in his mansion, with batcave full of trophies and memories from his past life.

[@1775adam]

Joker's design is not good for this phase. I always maintain thay his Justice League/Beyond Return pf the Joker flashback look is the best. World's Finest is one of the best crossovers.EVER. It's still the best Batman V Superman out there. All the crossovers w the Supercrew were fun and you could tell the writers and actors loved doing them.

[@feralstorm]

For me, TNBA was a show with higher highs, and lower lows. The stuff that worked was very strong, but things that didn't hurt more. It makes sense in the context of updating for a new network and a more shared universe with Superman and later Justice League. I do still mostly prefer the more grounded nature of the original BTAS, where the fantastical and super-powered stuff was usually technological in nature.

[@largefactory]

Double Talk is absolute fire, one of my favorite Batman episodes, Batman sleuthing around by himself is always a plus

[@Johnlindsey289]

One of my favorite episodes

[@MarvelKnight-tw9hb]

The new Batman adventures is really great the scarecrow was amazing in it I wish there were more seasons!

[@brandonholloman6835]

Yeah I wish there was more episodes on TNBA as well because it looks way better !

[@felipevillamayor7524]

"Old wounds" is the best Batman episode ever!

[@chris_t2020]

It's the worst due to the characterization of Batman. Over the Edge is way better.

[@felipevillamayor7524]

Bear in mind that "Old wounds" is narrated by Nightwing, so Batman characterization makes sense

[@TreFKennedy]

I respect your perspective, Almost got Em is Gawd tier

[@richardabia9735]

@@TreFKennedy Yes ! Almost got em is the best episode honestly

[@DARTH_COMiX]

Agreed. After "legends of the dark knight" and "over the edge", old wounds is my favorite TNBA episode.

[@duhdeedee]

This video put into words why I always thought TNBA seemed like a watered-down BTAS - it never even tried to pull off the emotional punch of episodes like "Heart of Ice" or "Baby Doll". However, BTAS may not have done justice to "Old Wounds" or "Never Fear"... I only wish they hadn't completely trashed Riddler.

[@supreme84x]

TNAB is a different show. It just exists in the same continuity. Just like Static Shock, Batman Beyond or Justice League are different shows but in the same continuity. When I was a kid, I viewed it as the same show, but after the end of JLU, I am able to look back and recognize the distinction. It then allows me the ability to appreciate it without any of the disappointment.

[@beyondcomicstv]

Don't forget Batman the Animated Series was inspired by Max fleischer's Superman which was also confirmed by the editors at DC Comics who I was blessed to meet back in 1990 at Sotheby's auction in preparation for the upcoming animated series

[@dieseltyme]

As a 10 year old I was just happy to get new episodes and kind of liked the small redesigns. Also I was the right age to enjoy more Robin, Nightwing, & Batgirl

[@elenadirectorofmiiss7942]

I remember the episode with the little girl and Clayface being one of the saddest episodes I saw at the time…

[@kyleco9149]

Batman's new design in TNBA reminds me alot of the frank miller batman design the black and grey color scheme and the muscle, While the original design had the blue and grey motif which was reminiscent of adam west Goes to show how bats developed from empathetic and compassionate to alot more stoic and darker

[@thebebop321]

i loved how this series also allowed for a new future batman in batman beyond to be created. it felt like a natural next step that i didnt know i wanted or needed. bruce wayne is batman, and i never liked the idea of anyone else taking that mantle, except for terry. it just worked

[@odog3964]

Another animated show that drastically changes its artstyle is American Dragon Jake Long

[@danthemanbardo]

I think the Nightwing episode old wounds really made that season a notable one that season a notable one. I actually consider it my favorite episode of the whole series

[@Hynotama]

Honestly I never saw this season as so incredibly different than the animated series. The essence is still there. The only nitpicks I had were that Riddler should have still worn a suit (though that perspective might have been influenced by the Arkham games, in my mind) and that joker should have had a bit more color.

[@jaredgarcia8638]

I liked the show. It was helping lead to the massive DCAU, alongside Superman The Animated Series, and Batman Beyond

[@cheddarcheese7928]

What’s strange to me is that in the 90’s Spider-Man cartoon, Spidey wasent allowed to punch anyone(ordered by the FCC) since it was a kid’s cartoon..But those same rules didn’t apply to the 90’s Batman animated shows..He was always cracking people in the mouth..I would’ve thought the same rules would apply to both shows being they were on roughly about the same time

[@1775adam]

Different censors. In Batman Animated, Bruce Timm talks about how the WB let them be more violent. Fox Kids did not. So in the final season, they got the opportunity to be darker, and the WB allowed it.

[@darthbigred22]

Wasn't he always swinging into people with a double kick anyways? That's gotta hurt more than a punch

[@MatthewPrower]

they're side-swipes; much less brutal than the ones he pushes on guy gardner

[@jayco9214]

Tbh other than the look. TNBA is perfect as a continuation of btas. Honestly it had just as much darkness and story telling and I really don’t see how it feels like a”different show” I watched it as season 4 of btas and right after it. It was great.

[@dancinswords]

I like that Robin design a lot more than any other I've seen

[@omniframe8612]

The design had to change due to licensing. Fox owned the Batman TAS license and WB picked up the contract after BTAS ended. From a merchandise point of view WB needed the show to look different so they could sell toys and merchandise under the Kids WB brand

[@blueblur2273]

Actually the designs were changed to keep animation consistent with Superman TAS when being animated overseas.

[@robertrogers074]

​@@blueblur2273what you mean animated overseas ?

[@blueblur2273]

@robertrogers074 Bruce Timm team could sometimes be overloaded with work. So they hired an outside company over in Japan to help them sometimes. So when they would be swamped with things to do, they would have the team in Japan animate for them.

[@omniframe8612]

@@blueblur2273 that too.

[@omniframe8612]

@blueblur2273 Much of the series was animated by Korean and Japanese studios. Bruce Timm and his team did character designs and storyboards but studios liked TMS and Dong Yang handled animation of the series

[@teeswaga]

I wouldn’t commit to the art style change indicating a whole new series. American Dragon Jake long also had a pretty drastic art direction change yet continued the story line.

[@Anubis-hl6wh]

this season had some incredible episodes. This was used to build that bigger animated universe. This led to batman beyond, justice league & etc. They explained everything in this season. remember this wasnt on fox kids but switched to the wb. different studios different designs

[@Wazzap47]

Came here after Alex Lennen gave you a shout out and I gotta say, your presentation is fantastic. Good stuff man, I hope this channel grows for you.

[@bornimusic]

Awesome video. As a lifelong Batman fan I deeply appreciate your essays. Thank you 🙏🏾

[@SalazarKnight]

And thank you for writing!

[@bibbyboxx2219]

Great video, I love your nuanced perspective on the show. There’s really a lot to like about TNBA.

[@Darqeside]

Keep up the great work. I'm really digging all this Batman lore.

[@krono5el]

Season 4 might have the best animation overall, what an amazing run.

[@Ksawarrior]

For me, what really lowered this show was how Batman was characterized. I didn’t like how cold and grim he was all the time, even as Bruce Wayne. I always like Batman to, with Alfred and his allies, have some humanity and warmth show through, that little Denny O’Neil heart. TNBA is still a good show. I just think it’s not a good sequel to BTAS. That said, I do think Bruce’s characterization bounced back by Justice League, which matches with how he feels more like the same character from BTAS when he’s around Superman and other major DC heroes from outside Gotham.

[@caryslan5890]

I always felt that Bruce's change in attitude was bitterness over the way things ended with Dick Grayson and the fact that no matter how hard he tried he was fighting a never ending battle alone in Gotham. Yes, he has Batgirl and Tim's Robin, but they were much younger than Bruce and were junior partners. Working alongside the Justice League allowed Batman to work alongside other heroes that were not just his partners, but his peers. This showed Batman that he no longer had to shoulder the burden alone and he had allies who were committed to helping him save innocent people and upholding justice. You see this in Justice League and Unlimited where he often jokes with Superman or is one of the few people to get through when he thinks Superman has lost his way. Or the episode of Unlimited where he shows tons of respect towards the Flash, seeing him as a hero. Being on the Justice League brought back Bruce's humanity which he lost after spending years fighting crime in Gotham. Which makes it even more tragic when the Joker cruelly takes that away by torturing Tim Drake.

[@guileniam]

​​@@caryslan5890but why end with Dick like that? I hated it as a kid they did that. NBA Batman is almost a different character. There's that BTAS episode Batman does an April fools joke with Alfred and its great. The new Batman would never do that and that sucks. Not to mention Mr Freeze? Two Faces poor arc, Selina. It just kinda sucks.

[@Rorschach97]

Agreed, I get that Batman is a dark character but in TNBA he felt too serious, he kinda comes off as a prick at times, I prefer the one more in the original animated series, he just had more character, felt more human.

[@Ksawarrior]

@@guileniam I can’t reconcile the Batman from Robin’s Reckoning as the same one from Old Wounds.

[@guileniam]

@@Ksawarrior agreed

[@nope5657]

One of my biggest pet peeves are the people who INSIST on separating this from BTAS. No, it's all BTAS. Just because art style changed doesn't mean it isn't BTAS.

[@montelhelem8707]

Yeah fr fr, the shows may look absolutely different from each other but they definitely are the start of the DCAU, people suck lol

[@goldenage]

I think that the show was great and that it took BTAS and STAS to the next level.

[@blueblur2273]

Completely agree. I have no idea what these fans are talking about. It completely refined the original series, improving on it in almost every possible way. - The action is better - The characters have more depth to them - Less censorship - Dialogue is better - Interaction between characters are better - Better pacing - And yes for the most part the designs are better and more sleek.

[@goldenage]

Yep, and I like that Batman became more brooding and dark. It was something he was wrestling with in the original series that actually got the better of him. @@blueblur2273

[@brandonholloman6835]

Facts

[@VALonYouTube]

Regardless of its flaws, TNBA not only brought us a more stylized consistency for the DCAU in The New Batman/Superman Adventures, it also provided us Batman: Gotham Adventures, one of the best comic book titles of all time.

[@moviereviews4life]

Okay, it's never been debated that The New Batman Adventures was a new series that took place in the DC Animated Universe. The reason the styles changed was because Batman: The Animated Series and The Adventures of Batman & Robin were aired on FOX Kids. After Batman & Mr Freeze: Subzero went direct to video that ended the style that was on FOX . The New Batman Adventures was aired on KidsWB alongside Superman: The Animated Series, eventually putting out a block called The New Batman/Superman Adventures after their crossover. They changed the style to better match the look of Superman: TAS. For me it wasn't jarring because I was there watching as it aired and just thought "Oh, it's a new style" I was never in the mindset that suddenly it's a new continuity.

[@bujilou]

Every time I see the batgirl redesign I think of the boxes of Batman shaped, macaroni and cheese I would eat as a kid, it's pure nostalgia

[@fiaschampion3379]

This is probably my favorite channel in all of YT. I've been following you since the beginning, thank you for all the hard work and dedication!

[@SalazarKnight]

Thank you so much for that!

[@PaulClipMaster]

8.4 is still a very high rating. You act like people gave it a 4 rating lol.

[@lancebaylis3169]

I truly think presenting it on DVD and Blu Ray as simply part of BTAS was a mistake. The show should have been presented as It's own thing. Maybe up to and including having it's own new title sequence, or perhaps even presented accurately as the Batman/Superman Adventures. Tacking it on to the end of BTAS does it no favors.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

Thank you!

[@Chaosic]

The episodes I like from the new batman adventures,mad love, old wounds,over the edge,legends of the dark knight.

[@jaredgarcia8638]

Though it should go without saying, Kevin Conroy and the rest of the voice cast gave their A Game. Though i miss your format, i understand the change

[@Lobopandilla]

Your channel is one of my favorites on all of KZbin, informative, professional, and steeped in a topic that I love. Ojalá más personas de la comunidad hispanohablante conocieran tu contenido. 🖤

[@SalazarKnight]

Thank you for saying that!

[@mufspro]

Great video explaining how it all works. Personally I like both versions. I don't want to choose which version is better. I just like both

[@noahbawdy3395]

I loved all the versions. They all had their own take. Which is fine. I mean who would have thought that Michael Keaton would've made such an awesome Bruce Wayne/Batman or Jack would make such a great Joker ?

[@MovieBuff757]

It's a shame that when people talk about this show, they don't usually talk about the episodes themselves. They just talk about the characters designs and that's it. I think the stories in this show are just as good as BTAS. Also when I was a kid I had a crush on this Batgirl/Barbara Gordon lol

[@richardabia9735]

TNBA had very amazing episodes and messages . It was a nice show. But, BTAS is art honestly. I wish they would have found a way to capture the BEAUTY and GRAND SCALE and NOIR storytelling while maturing and evolving in their creativity. TNBA is great but, Nothing can match up to the greatest animated cartoon ever. I am keeping an open mind but,... this is tough.... Art is art because it is drawn by artists . but... ART (and not just the animation style. The heart,soul,characters,feel but still always innovative) is ART. It is clear. It is obvious. The best of its kind. I don't know what to say.... BTAS is a Masterpiece. Because that is Batman. TNBA is very great.

[@Bardia006plus1]

this series is truly an underated gem.

[@SylentEcho]

The point was to make the animation more kid-friendly and get smaller kids into the stories. That's where the main sales for the toys happened back in the '90s.

[@BK-sh2pn]

Mad love was on TNBA. There’s no way it’s bad.

[@Sterlingl3591]

Kevin Conroy will always be Vengeance, The Knight, The Batman. Michael Keaton was instrumental for Batman. And Michael Keaton changed his voice when he was Bruce Wayne/Batman. Kevin did the same but on a much grander scale. Kevin Conroy is the GOAT of Batman. Rest in peace Kevin. You were an amazing human being.

[@joezar33]

Sad that their maybe no future inspired Batman TAS , well even if they did be weird without Conroy

[@richardabia9735]

It boils down to this. TNBA was not bad. It is a good show. And I love the positivity. But... BTAS is a MASTERPIECE. While the animators had to grow and mature, I wish they did it in a way that kept its beauty and did not just throw a masterpiece away.TNBA was good but growth should also mean becoming better. And I can 1000000% see BTAS Batman working with a Justice League team . TNBA was a great Batman cartoon. BTAS was a work of art. A Masterpiece. Animation at its finest. Even Bruce timm and co. Know that. That is why they said that "Batman : Caped crusader" (their new show) will be more reminiscent and look and feel like BTAS. TNBA is great, but BTAS is Batman .

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Favorite episode from this season and I think the entire show might be mad love. Second favorite from this season is over the edge. Edit: Oh and of course double take

[@DavidLorango]

The people who like TNBA are the same people who happily wore masks during lockdowns

[@Rschr101]

😂

[@dan88muwanga]

Traditional Cel Animation was used in BTAS - Computer Animation was used on TNBA , Batman Beyond,JL & the DCAU

[@darkwoods1954]

I liked it as much as the previous seasons. Some things were better, some worse. But I never got the hate for it. Shame it didn't get one more season as there was so much potential still there. Other than the animation style it wasn't that different.

[@BrianAwesome]

There really shoulda been one more season, of the Batman/Superman Adventures 😢

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

At least we got an AWESOME Firefly introduction and episode. Mad Hatter’s ‘mind-controlled circus animals’ episode and Scarecrow’s ‘Never Fear’ subway gas attack were good too (did they make that _after_ the Tokyo subway sarin attacks??) . . .

[@macsnafu]

The thing that bothers me about an animated series is how little it changes over time. Yes, if you have a great look, you don't want to tamper with that too much, but as you point out, the viewer (and the creators) can get tired of it over time. In a comic book, both writers and artists can change rather frequently, and while that can hurt the sales of comic where the readers liked a certain writer/artist combination, it also allowed for different styles and stories to be told, or for readers to find a new writer/artist they like. As an example of this in animated cartoons, when Scooby Doo dreamed meeting with other Hanna Barbara characters in a Mystery Incorporated episode, it switched to a retro animated style entirely different from the regular art style.

[@caryslan5890]

This is why I like anime, because things do change. The art style and story evolve. Take something like Dragon Ball, and you see a massive shift not just in the story or the fact that new allies and Villians are introduced, but the art style changes while characters like Gohan grow up. . Compare that to the Simpsons which still uses the same status quo as when the show debuted in 1989. Yeah, the art got better over time, but the family is the same age as they were over thirty years ago. But look at Batman in the DCAU. He goes from fighting mobsters and his rouges gallery with adventures largely contained in Gotham to going on adventures with the Justice League where he fights aliens, gods, magic users, and even a time traveler just to name a few The DCAU felt like an evolving universe and Batman is the poster boy for this since he was there from the beginning. You can see the universe evolve around him, change him, and there's tons of appeal in that.

[@darthbigred22]

@@caryslan5890 Dragon Ball seems to be it's own thing in fairness to anime, I've seen more shows where they just flat out end the series with a massive kill off than a show that grew up with the kids like Dragon Ball into DBZ. Simpsons and the adult cartoon shows following the Flintstones are kind of their own thing except King of the Hill which did age characters a little. I'd view those more as just sitcoms and they don't change much even with live actors. I think that's a lot of the issue is DC works best the more terra firma it is because ultimately Superman and Batman aren't above helping the average person. The X-men and Avengers are "heroes" that never actually help anyone other than themselves or the shadowy government they work for. When's the last time Wolverine foiled a robbery? When did Iron Man solve a murder? Spider-man is the only one helping the average joe of the big names out there on the Marvel side. It's weird to think Marvel got big because their heroes were more grounded yet in actual action their heroes are basically tied up in their own drama with no real help to anyone else. Gee wouldn't it be nice if Professor X would tell us the dark plans of the elites or maybe stop a war? Nah mutant civil rights, because God forbid maybe we'd help our cause more if Cyclops goes and blasts a cartel drug lord or maybe the Avengers go win the War on Terror? I know I know they gotta be villians clad in purple all the time. Prince must have been the ultimate villain in their world since he had more purple than Thanos, Apocalypse, and Magento combined.

[@SAsaiyajin]

Hey leave Prince ALONE😡🤣🤣

[@SAsaiyajin]

​@@darthbigred22RIP Prince, he was a massive Batman fan.

[@The_Phantasm]

Regarding the redesigns of a loth of the characters, a lot of the villains look great and some basically the same. Man-Bat (who only appears in the tie-in comics), Harley Quinn and Ra's al Ghul's look identical (if anything Harley looks a bit better in TNBA). Two-Face and Clayface also look basically the same just a bit adjusted for the new art style (although they looked a bit better in BTAS). I personally prefer the Catwoman and Penguin designs in TNBA because they are more comic accurate. Joker looks equally great with his Batman Beyond and JL designs if not a bit scarier (but his TNBA design is not good). The only characters I definitely agree look inferior are Killer Croc, Riddler, Ventriloquist and Mr. Freeze. Bane doesn't look great in either BTAS or TNBA. In TNBA he has a better outfit (minus the spikes) but in BTAS he has a better mask although it's still inferior to the the one he has in the comics. Mad Hatter I prefer his short stature and green attire in TNBA I'm not a fan of the white hair and the way they drew his face because he looked way older as opposed to his BTAS design. For Poison Ivy I love both her designs because they signify her character progression by showing her become more and more plant like as she sheds her humanity. And I think it goes without saying considering that pretty much everyone involved with BTAS and especially Bruce Timm hated Scarecrow's design prior to his TNBA redesign that he looked best in TNBA. Along with that Batgirl's redesign was possibly the biggest improvement. The gray and blue suit she had was okay but It did just feel like a clone of Batman's suit and even though I know that's the point in the beginning, the all-black suit with yellow and blue accents is so much more striking and memorable and is the one to have made more cultural impact.

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Dude, I just wanted to let you know, that you are the best comic historian I’ve ever watched. In my opinion, No one does stuff like this as good as you

[@SalazarKnight]

Thank you so much for that!

[@smdau03]

TNBA was always the best season of BTAS to me, some of the redesigns i wasn't a fan of, but for the most part I loved it and always looked it as a proper continuation of the other BTAS seasons, just an art change.

[@meursault7030]

Brooooo I had that same VHS and absolutely wore it out. I love the bit in the nightclub. The little kick to the head Batman gives Superman for no reason lol

[@mechajay3358]

TNBA has some changes that I cant fully agree with, mostly with the design of some of the characters. But overall I can give the show props for going into a new and interesting directions from BTAS.

[@drewb3665]

BTAS was aimed at adults while TNBA was aimed at kids.

[@d-manthecaptain1382]

What about Joker's Millions and all the changes they made to flesh out and improve that story? That episode wasn't just the same as the comic

[@ClarksCreek]

I much prefer TNBA to B:TAS. I prefer all of the TNBA character redesigns to the original B:TAS character designs with the exception of The Riddler. I find TNBA far more aesthetically pleasing than B:TAS. I was born in '98, so by the time I was born both B:TAS and TNBA existed, and therefore I didn't experience the jarring aspect of the switch occurring. I enjoyed playing with my TNBA-style toys more than my B:TAS-style toys, so as far as selling toys go, the TNBA changes worked for me in that way as well. If we're grouping TNBA in with B:TAS to rank episodes, while my #1 episode would be "Heart of Ice", the overwhelming majority of my other favorite episodes come from TNBA. #Batman

[@nohbuddy1]

I loved the crossovers with Superman though

[@pulsarstargrave256]

The statement that "...Batman TAS was more faithful to the comics than The New Batman Adventures" is in degrees of relativity. Example: In the comics and the 1960s live action series, Barbara Gordon was a college graduate when she first became Batgirl, not a high school student like the Betty Kane Bat-Girl! BOTH animated series made slight changes to "established mythos", which is why I enjoyed both. However, I do prefer the design work from TAS to that of TNBA!

[@julianrosas9134]

That Batman/Superman movie is awesome!

[@brandonholloman6835]

I loved the new Batman animated series I just wish ot had more episodes yhats all, but everything looked way better though !

[@DamonCzanik]

BtAS was a better show. New Batman show felt simpler, cheaper, more campy, less innovative and more kid friendly (likely mandated by the studio execs). The new designs were generally awful in comparison (except Scarecrow who was awesome). It still had fantastic episodes. It was a world that blended better with Superman. While I do enjoy the team ups, I always felt Batman worked better as a standalone. All these villains Batman struggled against so much are easily defeated by Superman. He could defeat all the villains in a weekend visit. Also the idea of a kid Robin is stupid. Comic history be damned. Placing a child in harm's way against armed criminals is fucking insane. What happens to him (and in the comics) is Batman's fault. There's a reason why we don't allow children to be police officers too. And putting him bright colors? I know they try to explain the bright colors in the comics, but it's still stupid. He's there to appeal to kids. But no kid has ever wanted to play Robin. We all wanted to be Batman.

[@chrismiller2276]

I was interdused into comics watching the Timm verse and grew up watching it instead of comics.I think if you're more of a comic book person instead of just watching TV it might leave you wanting something more, but I loved it all BTAS STAS TNBA Batman beyond. JLU

[@gregorykollarus8190]

Idk why I just love this season 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Mohamad-m7md]

You don’t know why ? Maybe because it’s GOOD specially when we were kids and also it was just more batman and I couldn’t say no to that

[@sdcard7129]

Personally for me, I really enjoyed the show. I didn't see much wrong with it, other than the lack of Joker's lips and eyes

[@Trekapedia]

I love The New Batman Adventures and feel like it gets a bad rap. If it wasn’t for Kids’ WB! and The WB saving Batman: The Animated Series, and bringing it over to The WB and Kids’ WB!, we wouldn’t have the DCAU and shows like Batman Beyond.

[@Blasto1998VideoGameNerd]

Batgirl is hot af in this show. Her long red hair, her blue eyes, her black lipstick, her gorgeous smile, her sultry voice, her slim/curvy body, her long/skinny legs, her sexy ass and she's a strong, independent, intelligent and badass woman.

[@dmsturgeon8762]

Half of the 4th season of the animated series had a different opening sequence and introduced newer characters, obviously the animation style was changed to appear like that of superman and jstice league, with a sleeker more modern style, as opposed to the 1940's style. Some of the character designs were also changed to resemble the live action appearances. The point of the new series was to show a batman who was part of a larger world with other heroes and darker subject matter. Over all both series are part of the same series.

[@hereitcomes3912]

There are some connections between those two, and there are some differencies. Imo, they wanted to start a new show, but in the last second, they decided to stick to the good old material, which has been proved that works. So it was kinda both. A new show, and just a rewamped new season at the same time. With the official answear not bein answered for a long time. And than, even after that, it still kinda looks uncomfortable. As if they switched the serious nolanverse with kinda burton visuals and literally danny elfman theme, into the snyderverse. Dang ! I just realised what happened ! Flash must have been messing with the reality again !

[@tgif1345]

While I didn't get to watch this show as often as I would've liked as it didn't air here in Canada on a channel that I had access to, I've seen a ton of episodes since then thanks to the DVDs I own. That's another reason TNBA gets lumped in with BTAS. Warner Bros. chose to not only market the DVD release as part of BTAS, but also included it in the complete series DVD and Blu-ray boxsets for BTAS. Luckily the DVDs, and I'm assuming the Blu-ray set, allows you to choose to watch the episodes with either the BTAS theme or the theme for The New Batman/Superman Adventures so you can choose to distinguish them from BTAS.

[@GTVNewsForGamers]

Actually, this and BTAS both aired on YTV throughout the late 90s and early 00s. Though, you might be younger than me, or not had access to cable, so...

[@tgif1345]

@@GTVNewsForGamers We didn't have cable from 1993 to 1996, so I only had Global for BTAS, and while I did watch YTV at home again from 1996 right up until early 2000s, I don't remember BTAS reruns, or TNBA episodes airing on YTV during that period, nor do I remember seeing ads for either on there. I watched tons of other shows like Pokemon, Digimon, Animorphs, Radio Active, Sailor Moon, and reruns of The Odyssey, so maybe TNBA was on there at a time, like really early in the morning, or super late at night, because I was in bed by 9 pm every night because of my younger siblings. I also don't remember Batman Beyond airing on YTV either.

[@griffinkelly8694]

Wait, some people actually think this is a completely different show and continuity? I understand BTAS to NBA is kind of an anomaly, but the latter is a continuation of the former just with a different art style. Both iterations fall under the DCAU and connect to other shows like Justice League. I think of it like Peter Jackson's LotR vs Peter Jackson's Hobbit --- same world, even if the aesthetics and tone don't entirely mirror each other.

[@shanksmare8]

I'm really enjoying your videos, and I'm curious as to what microphone you're using to record your narration?

[@SalazarKnight]

My mic of choice is the Rode PodMic. However, there's also a lot of editing that goes into the voice over to make it sound the way it does. Thanks for writing!

[@The_Phantasm]

Personally I don't really agree though that TNBA and the rest of the DCAU doesn't reach the heights of BTAS. In fact I would say that in a lot of ways they far surpass it. For example I would say that the two-parter episode Wild Cards are the best Joker episodes in the DCAU. Another example with Joker is in Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. Having seen almost every single appearance of Mark Hamill as the Joker in every medium he has played him, I can honestly say that Return of the Joker is Mark Hamill's best ever and most terrifying performance as the Joker. Not to mention that they really benefited from having overarching story arcs specifically in JLU like the phenomenal Thanagarian arc, the Cadmus arc and lots more. Don't get me wrong BTAS is phenomenal and iconic but I think it often suffered from being a bit too formulaic. I don't hold that against anyone since they didn't originally start with the intention of expanding the universe but they definitely evolved with their storytelling and mature themes.

[@DaniG._.German]

I figured the series, changed because Bruce Wayne changed. TAS Wayne was a meek, brown suit yellow shirt, type of guy, similar to Clark from All Star Superman. Whereas TNBA Wayne is a no nonsense business man, similar to Luthor. Maybe Grayson's absence hurt Wayne, like in the comics, as a result Batman got angrier. Batman stopped appealing to the criminal's humanity, more focused on locking them up instead of rehabiliting them. Joker and Riddler became more cartoonish to oppose Batman's overly stoic nature. Catwoman lost interest and flirted with Nightwing to make Batman jealous. I recall Mr. Freeze exploding on an oil platform, so that would explain his mental and physical change. I think Wayne found a way to cure Nora, I guess Mr. Freeze was sad that he couldn't be with her, much like Hohenheim Elric. Meeting Superman proved to Batman that he isn't alone, that the mask isn't a burden, it's an honor. This philosophy expands between JL and JLU. I don't remember when Batman time travels and meets his old self, that's when. Batman interacting with Static reminds me of TAS. I was born in the 90's, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Static Shock, Batman Beyond I watched it all, back to back. I'm glad the series changed, there's no way Bruce Wayne would remain the same after all these years.

[@aidanhever3369]

Which also leads to Batman Beyond and Justice League/Justice League Unlimited.

[@popescumircea5389]

Here from the batman 1 hour video, your content looks great❤

[@chris_t2020]

I have TWO great issues with this show: 1. The episode "old wounds" with Batmsm interrogating a thug in front of his WIFE AND KID. Horrible characterization of Batman. It reminds me to Nightwing Year One when Bruce fires Robin in rage for not following his instructions against Clayface. Truly awful. 2. Batgirl looking like a teenager, around 15 - 17 years old. This show really pushed the Batman x Batgirl relationship (culminating in Killing Joke rooftop sex scene on 2016) yet she looks like a child and Bruce like an adult. It's so disgusting. Barbara should have been same size and shape as Nightwing. The issue is worse since in Batman Beyond they had a relantionship and in the comics Bruce gets Barbara pregnant. The worst storyline from the Timm universe. The only reason why I care about this show is due to Nightwing making his animated debut. Ps. I hate how they give Jason origin's to Tim. He should have been Jason Todd from the beginning not Tim Drake.

[@Batknight12]

Here's my isses with your issues: 1. In same episode it's later shown Bruce clearly realizes he went too far with his interrogration, he gets that guy a job at Wayne Enterprises afterwards, helps him get out of being a criminal, and vists him all time to check in on him and asks how's his family is doing. Bruce being flawed a person, making a mistake, and fixing it through compassion is good characterization. 2. Batman x Batgirl stuff already existed in BTAS. Barb has a dream about kissing Batman and blushes when she sees him takes his shirt off. Though she's not a teenager, it's established she's college age and an adult. Still don't like the realtionship of course, but I'm just saying it was already a thing before TNBA.

[@chris_t2020]

@@Batknight12 Batman TAS would have NEVER made that mistake. He would have stopped and leave along with Robin warning the dude he would be watched. Bruce Timm Batman still an asshole to me specially on Beyond Era.

[@chris_t2020]

@@Batknight12 I never said the Batgirl x Batman was not canon AT LEAST in TAS Barbara looks 18 to 20.

[@Batknight12]

@@chris_t2020 Yes, the whole point of Old Wounds is showing Bruce has changed from BTAS, growing more harsh and serious, and that is causing a rift between Dick and Bruce which leads to their eventually spilt. But the episode clearly shows he still has his humanity and compassion, and is capable of realizing when he has made a mistake and correcting it. That's all good characterization for Batman who is a deeply flawed person and messes up sometimes.

[@Batknight12]

@@chris_t2020 She honestly looks exactly the same age to me but alright.

[@blackhawkinsomniaclyrics410]

I had no idea people didn’t like TNBA I loved it more than BTAS

[@zeke7200]

The humanity and development I loved in BTAS just wasn't in The New Adventures, Batman lost his humanity in this and wasn't as understanding as he was to his villians as he was in the last series. The villians lost their sympathy and became just villians Clay face lost all his sympathy with the Annie episode and the way the wrecked Mr.Freezes character growth

[@thenewjord50]

He had a bit of sympathy with Wesser who his goons try to bring his Scarface side out

[@Lulu-ew7oh]

That the point of the show it shows the affects of Bruce being Batman for so long and how overtime the villains and even the sympathetic one’s started yo go deeper into insanity

[@omniversecomicsguide]

I’d love to see your take on the Brave & the Bold animated series!

[@mattatobin]

Look it is as simple as they wanted a unified art style more closely matching the cleaner style in Superman TAS and to also keep doing batman stories again.. They just went a little too far in some changes to the models. They even admitted as much and went back some in Justice League which as the final refined art style for the DCAU was decent enough. Tho I dunno why Ivy was still pale. Hell by batman beyond Joker had his red lips back and they show clips IN the older art style. Technically it was a different show but not different continuity and was a revival ahead of them being embolden enough to do Justice League. I mean this stuff is documented in their own documentary extras.

[@IsaiahSalvagno]

I don’t understand why this is even a convo. Ofc it’s cannon. The tone doesn’t really change that much in my opinion it’s just the art style but I like the new Batman and batgirl and Tim is awesome. Night wing looks so cool too. Not every character looks good tho like you pointed out but regardless this definition is connected me

[@HorrorMetalDaniels]

Yeah “The Ultimate Thrill” always bored the absolute shit out of me lol