Beyond Braid 8x vs Daiwa 8 Grand vs PowerPro Maxcuatro [Line Strength Test]

[@Saltstrong]

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[@ivanvedris9636]

Hello and thanks for the video, I love comparisons like this. What are the top 3 bet buy strings in your opinion? Is J braid 8x Grand as good in general? By the way, for the European market there are completely different and inflated markings, for example: 0.10mm - 7 kg - 15 lb, or 0.13mm - 8.5 kg - 19 lb.. How much lb is for 0,10 and 0,13 in USA? Thank you

[@sullysullster8217]

Thanks for conducting this informative test. Ive been looking at switching to braid after using mono all my life. Time to get out of beginner/ rookie level level mistakes with getting with the times on better skills and tackle. Thanks again.

[@Saltstrong]

Sure thing! Thanks for watching!

[@TheBigghunter01]

I would 100% recommend the regular power pro. It is one of the cheapest, strongest, holds its color over years and one of the most resistant to wind knots in my opinion and several charter captains i know. Know the uni knot (double uni for attaching leaders) but i love the FG knot. I take my buddies out and they have mono on their rigs and i constantly cast probably 50feet farther which is important in inshore fishing (especially those spooky winter redfish and gator trout)

[@sullysullster8217]

@@TheBigghunter01 I ended up getting J braid 8 strand due to this video. It took me instantly out of amatuer level. Landed a lot more fish. Casts better, stronger, saves more lures due to its stiffness and not breaking when pulling up a submerged branch etc.. Best decision.

[@rainesf231]

Hello. Thank you for all the information. Quick question are the thickness of each line you tested all the same. All I know it the power pro max is ultra thin so it can cut thru the water really fast. Thank you.

[@Saltstrong]

yes!

[@riptideoutdoors6353]

I’d love to see you test reaction tackle braid, seems to good to be true at the price point. I’ve used their 4 strand for heavy gear but never the light 8strand for casting

[@Saltstrong]

Great suggestion!

[@Florida.Caveman]

I use the blue camo reaction tackle, 1500 yards for $50... of 30lb.. and it last a long time. Only reason I put new line on is because the old line turned black from years of use, it was still holding up strong I just didn't like how my reels looked with the old line.

[@yes1256r]

The 8x is crazy lost lures very bad braid

[@conquestdz]

Does the smoother texture of 8 strand braid change how many wraps you need to get max strength out of a FG knot? Does it grip the leader material as well?

[@Saltstrong]

I use the 18 wraps with the 8 grand as I do with 4 strand lines. As for gripping onto the leader, it seems plausible that the smoother line would be more likely to slip. But I haven't experienced any slippage issues with the 8 strand line yet so the risk surely isn't very high.

[@RSDream77]

Would be great if you tested Berkeley 9x against the 8strand JBraid and PP. Would be nice to know if the extra inner core line (9th line) makes a difference or is just a marketing gimmick. Big fan of all the videos keep it up!

[@blackbirdrc8348]

I know this is an old comment, But I use the x5 on all my casting combos that call for braid. I can definitely say that I notice a difference between the x5 and original power pro braid. The x5 seems to stack better "more uniform" on the spool and I think it's due from that core helping the braid retain a round profile. I'm guessing the x9 would have the same, if not better results. Definitely no flat spots. I haven't used power pro since I switched to the Berkley X series braid. I'm using either the X series braid or sufix 832. Hope this helps!

[@seanperson2032]

The berkly x5 and x9 annoys me because the dye in the line comes off on your hands and on your rod guides. At least the chartreuse does and that's what I bought to try. It did work well though but not well enough for me to wash my rod guides after each trip.

[@2003zq8]

Hey Luke, any chance to get a review or some testing on the Ande braid? Ive use Power Pro Super Slick but have a couple of buddy's that have been using it for about a year and heard good good things on it. Im curious to see your take on its performance.

[@Saltstrong]

I haven't tried that before... will keep an eye out for it on future shopping sprees.

[@jrussian567]

Outstanding content! You guys are great! Do you have an abrasion test for braid? I have used Maxcuatro for a few years until seeing one of your videos on the 8 Grand. I recently started using 8 Grand. I have used regular Power Pro, Pro Slick, Seaguar, etc. Maxcuatro seemed to be the most abrasion resistant. I could rip it out of any grass or bush (bank fisherman here!) and it never broke! However, it did mutilate whatever I ripped it out of! Thank you for all you guys do! Blessings to you, yours, and your business!

[@Saltstrong]

It's tough to do an abrasion test on braid... we haven't yet found a way to accurately test abrasion for it.

[@jrussian567]

@@Saltstrong Yeah, well I’ll let you know how the grand 8 handles grass and bushes!!

[@saltylawaia8958]

Any braid other than berkley thermal superline. Top 5 braids in my experience is, berkley x9, j braid grand, power pro, varivas and sufix 832.

[@conquestdz]

Have you tested the Hercules 8 strand braid? I just got a 1000 meter spool for about $45 and it seemed pretty smooth going on the reel. I'd be curious to see how it stacks up. It's probably the same stuff as the beyond braid with a different label.

[@843Landbased]

I’ve used Hercules for years landed 4-9’ sharks on 80-150lb and I know of folks landing 12-13’ sharks on 200 Hercules I’m not sponsored by them or in anyway bias but I’ve found that thicker braids usually are stronger for a cheaper price and yes it eats up line capacity which is why I’m searching for thinner braids, I’m very skeptical of thin braids because I shark fish, i need to lay very high drag to turn these fish.

[@evanpapp2712]

Can you guys test reaction tackle braid? I want to use it on my shark reels but I'm scared of losing a really big shark because I cheaped out on line.

[@thetravelingmongo]

Varivas is premium braid. And I tested it against all these. By far my favorite, especially since they have many specialty line

[@williammata6019]

What would be a good strong line from varivas?

[@lorenzoriccardi955]

It would be interesting to compare j-braid to some premium braids like: Varivas, Momoi, Gosen, Ygk, Daiwa morethan 12... but I don't know if they're available in your market (I'm writing from Italy).

[@DanTheFireman]

I have Gosen 16 strand and it's by far the silkiest, smoothest, easiest wind knot management line ever. One "minor" drawback - the "41#" tests out at 22-23 pounds and the "23#" at 10-11 pounds. I use the "41#" as 20# and it's excellent but does hold line twist.

[@vernlivingthefloridadream7370]

Luke, I've always used a palomar knot with braid. It's fast and simple to tie and never slips. Have you tested that knot?

[@Saltstrong]

Yes. The 2x Uni knot proved to be 8% stronger than the Palomar. And the Trilene knot shown in this video proved to be 10% stronger than the Uni. So I highly recommend switching to the Trilene knot (2x through the hook and 10 twists up the line).

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

I might have missed it, but why no palomar knots?

[@robertgallowayrealtor]

I was wondering if you ever tested Kastking Kastpro braided line or Kastking Superpower braided line?

[@Saltstrong]

We have not but we can add it to the list! Thank you!

[@floridaman3043]

Appreciate it guys! Have you guys considered testing thr yo-zuri super braid? I haven’t heard much about it…

[@Saltstrong]

I haven't heard much about that line either.

[@floridaman3043]

@@Saltstrong supposedly it’s made out the izanas material like the j braid grand

[@ryanbetts1310]

I've been interested in trying the J-braid, but thus far have stuck with the Suffix 832 Advanced. Have you ever tested those two against each other? I'd be especially interested in abrasion resistance against the rocks.

[@Saltstrong]

After this catch (and some other similar instances), I am a true believer in the ability for 8 grand to handle some serious abrasion when big fish are on the line: www.saltstrong.com/fishing-tip/dock-snook-on-power-prawn-usa/

[@ItsGiraffe]

Could you do a review and break strength between the daiwa grand and regular x8?

[@Saltstrong]

Noted! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@jonnywaselectric]

My go to braid is sufix 832, it's never failed me and its not too expensive

[@Bigfish1day]

I use Sufix 832, but since the price has gotten ridiculous, so I switched to Diawa, glad to see that it’s good line. Love to see you do some testing on 50 to 80 lb lines.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback!

[@seanperson2032]

I use that Daiwa 8 grand in 15 lbs test on 2 of my trout/kokanee rods and its been fantastic, had it on those rods going on a year and a half fishing a couple times a month.

[@Saltstrong]

Good stuff!

[@Bmw2473]

I always buy power pro at Walmart, it always holds up and doesn’t come undone when twisted. I always get a full 3 seasons of fishing in salt and fresh water then change out over winter due to being bored. I do like there v2 slick goes through the Fuji k guides like butter. May have to try one of these

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@mohammedamin9966]

Does it mean that power pro is too soft? Which if it is true, then it would be better for farther casting, wouldn't it? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

[@Saltstrong]

Not necessarily... there can surely be an instance of a softer feeling line having a stronger breaking point. So the knot breaking strength findings in this test can't lead to any conclusions on casting distance... that'll be a different experiment. And with that information, we then can know which line is the best based on its strength and casting distance performances.

[@mohammedamin9966]

@@Saltstrong Thanks for your answer & appreciate your efforts..I am really hoping that such experiment would be there one day 🙏

[@tegteg798]

Try the gman garbage knot. I was using the uni and swapped over to it and man what a difference!

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@Tealemoodley]

Daiwa j is an amazing braid no doubt but the diameter of the braid plays a big role as well because you could have that extra performance from the braid but when you spooling your reel you could lose a few hundred meters. I say this because here South Africa we use bigger reels for in shore fishing because we have to cast further to reach those banks and structure and from a non edible point of view we use mainly 50 lbs braid so we want that thinner braid because we need more line on the spool and a 50 lbs j-braid isn't very thin compared to other braids on the market but you have the reliability of the j-braid if you do use it.

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Nobody cares about South Africa

[@aldev2548]

Would like to see you test diamond braid gen 3 8x it’s like the daiwa j braid but not as susceptible to wind knots and from my use seems as strong and it comes in at about 25$ for three hundred yards

[@rebornspirit1047]

I've been using diamond braid gen 2 and gen 3 will say that it will most likely break way past its claimed breaking strength. its one of the higher braid brands that people tend to use for bigger game fishing.

[@emnico6063]

Hi, Can you do a strength test for Noeby Inifinite II? Its a Japan Braid too.

[@Saltstrong]

I'll keep an eye out for that line

[@emnico6063]

@@Saltstrong Looking Forward to it :)

[@ericjchastain]

Pp max is 4 strand braid and 20 % smaller diameter its like 15 pound test compare to other brands of similar diameter. Kinda like 20 lb seguar smack down is like 10 lb test pp or similar 4 and 6 strand types. Japan made braid usually are thinner diameter they rate break strength usa marketing test.

[@Saltstrong]

The diameter and density variables will come out in the line casting tests.

[@pinefloatoutdoors]

Love your line comparison videos. Been using j braid grand for a while now. Love it. Not a fan of power pro. I also use suffix 832 and in some situations I use kast king. I would love to see a kast king comparison. Could you make that happen? God bless and be safe⚓️

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks! We'll be testing some kast king lines soon.

[@TheBigghunter01]

I love regular power pro, the only downside I’ve found is its louder going through the guides and reel than the 8/9 strand stuff. The 8/9 strand gets super soft after a lot of sun exposure which makes it harder to tie and wind knots more in my opinion

[@xRamZx]

Have you tested any kastking braid?

[@Saltstrong]

Not yet

[@ryans8614]

Ever tried Tight Line Braid ? A lot of people here in Hawaii are changing to that.

[@Dave30867]

I am more interested in an accurate breaking strain line would be the best product for me .

[@Saltstrong]

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[@ericw9655]

Same. Highest isn’t better here. Consistency in breaking right at the listed test strength is the most important thing. In this case, the “best” might wind up breaking your fancy rod.

[@schatzie4477]

Luke is exceptional!

[@reddjohnson9728]

How does these three compare to the power pro spectra?

[@Saltstrong]

To be determined. One notable difference is that the original power pro is a 4 strand line so it'll have a much less smooth surface relative to these two 8 strand lines.

[@reddjohnson9728]

@@Saltstrong Strength wise how do you think the original power pro will compare?

[@Saltstrong]

@@reddjohnson9728 Assuming the tests on the 10 lb lines for 8 Grand and PowerPro are applicable to their 20 lb lines, the 8 Grand will be the victor.

[@bobgibbs4105]

Currently I have Power Pro Super 8 Slick V2, Sufix 832 & Daiwa J-Braid X8 Grand spooled on multiple reels in various sizes. I recently added the Daiwa J-Braid to the mix so I have less experience with it than the other two but… if I were ranking them today it would be #1 Daiwa #2 Power Pro #3 Sufix With that said, I’d love to you compare these three head to head since they are all relatively close in price and construction.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks Bob!

[@216edwin]

2 years later do you still feel the same

[@bobgibbs4105]

@@216edwin Yes, I’ve actually spooled all of my spinning reels and several bait casting reels with Daiwa J-Braid X8 Grand. The durability and color retention are on par or slightly better than the Power Pro V2 and Sufix 832 while the smoothness and casting distance are definitely better in my experience.

[@aborden3841]

Why quote beyond braid at double its price? It's $25 on Amazon and Basspro shops. Is this just an ad for Daiwa because saltweak sells it?

[@RF3seeker]

Maxcuatro is amazing. Very abrasion resistant but the best part is it doesn't have a sticky film residue that coats your reel and gets into the internals and bearings. Maxcuatro is by far the best for deep salt water applications.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@supatreyfi9770]

He didn't mention maxcuatro is way thinner than the other 2 brands as well

[@DanTheFireman]

I have a lot of reels spooled with it and the only minor drawback I've found is it's noisy thru the guides, it isn't smooth stuff but excellent strength and abrasion resistance.

[@jamesbarron1202]

I’d like to see Power Pro Super8Slick v2 tested since it’s also a 8 carrier. I’d like to see them tested based on similar diameter than what the manufacturer rates them on strength. Similar diameter tells the real story.

[@Saltstrong]

I just picked up a spool of super slick to test it against the 8 Grand.

[@jamesbarron1202]

@@Saltstrong cool! Can you give us diameters of each line on the chart when you do future test? To be fair 20 lb J Braid should’ve been tested against 30 lb Maxcuatro since they’re both equal diameter at .23 mm (.009 in.). I’d say that based on your test numbers the maxcuatro would’ve easily won. I can make a rope and test it against 5 lb line and rate my rope at 5 lb test and it’s going to win.

[@rmorris75252]

That’s what I’d be interested too see. Idk why but I have had terrible experiences with the jbraid grand. SSV2 and Berkley x9 are my go to right now

[@Saltstrong]

@@jamesbarron1202 The line diameter differences will come out in the upcoming casting contest. The "rated" diameters can surely be as inconsistent as the strength ratings, so we prefer to use real life tests to evaluate the true performance of the lines. In the case of the rope vs. the 5 lb line, the rope would of course be worthless in the casting comparison.

[@RICK82873]

Good test. Please test kastking braid.

[@contaxxx2895]

I tested Maxcuatro 30lb with palomar knot and I averaged 31lb braking, now j braid is 0.11 at 30lb but the maxcuatro is 0.09 at 30lb which helps with the distance a lot. Saying that the cheaper line outperforms more expensive line is not true in my case...I know that this is only breaking test with the knots 3 different knots but you should have mention line diameter as it makes big difference.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@supatreyfi9770]

They're tryin to sell their braid lol. Of course they're gonna forget to mention the diameter of maxcuatro

[@nigelkakashi]

Good day waiting on the kast king test please do one i think it's more popular than beyond braid

[@Saltstrong]

Coming soon!

[@kirkalexander3431]

Yes, please include KastKing Kastpro or their new finesse lines

[@julianstolz3987]

Would love to see Hercules & Hitena tested

[@owencorey9720]

8 Grand is my favorite line!

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks!

[@kevinwynne9]

Try Sunline Xplasma Asegia. High end braid

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep an eye out for it.

[@kevinwynne9]

@@Saltstrong it's an 8 carrier coated that is water repellant. I use 10# for inshore

[@johnparker8259]

I really like the Diawa 8 in my baitcasters. Really smooth casting!

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for sharing

[@heartwormskillcats8357]

Thanks a lot!

[@Saltstrong]

You're welcome!

[@heartwormskillcats8357]

@@Saltstrong Do you guys sell used fishing rods and reel combos?

[@Saltstrong]

@@heartwormskillcats8357 Not at this time

[@heartwormskillcats8357]

@@Saltstrong Okay thank you. Do you have a good referral for a used rod and reel?

[@Saltstrong]

@@heartwormskillcats8357 Some local tackle shops offer used gear. Otherwise, try a site like craigslist.

[@aborden3841]

Trilene knot but no Trilene line? Someone needs to test the Trilene biggame braid.

[@satellitefishing]

What abt spider wire??!!??!

[@Saltstrong]

We tested their Invisibraid line a while back and it did not perform well. Which line do you like best?

[@satellitefishing]

@@Saltstrong I typically use power pro because I know it works, but I love watching these comparison videos and seeing how it matches up against other top brands.

[@TheHunterFisher]

I personally haven’t been a fan of power pro since like 2017, but love beyond braid and Jbraid! J braid is some insane quality and diameter

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for posting the intel

[@jamesbarron1202]

This wasn’t a fair test for the maxcuatro. It should’ve been tested with 30 lb maxcuatro vs 20 lb J-Braid because they’re both equal diameter in those sizes. 20 lb maxcuatro is much thinner than 20 lb J-braid. The maxcuatro would’ve walked away with the break test win based on what really counts. Equal diameter.

[@TheHunterFisher]

@@jamesbarron1202 he tested the break strength in this specific video, so it was suitable to test the manufacturers advertised break strength, not diameter.

[@jamesbarron1202]

@@TheHunterFisher in the real world you want the strongest for its diameter. Maxcuatro is stronger apples to apples. Who cares what the box says it’s rated at. It’s what’s on the reel that counts. 2 similar lines going head to head. Those aren’t similar when ones much larger than the other.

[@TheHunterFisher]

@@jamesbarron1202 so to get the equivalent break strength out of powerpro you’re saying you have to go thicker? Which is counter intuitive by your logic of “strongest for its diameter” because surely if you decrease the diameter of BeyondBraid by .001 (which is the difference) you’ll mostly see a .5lb break average loss. You’re kinda arguing against your own point with that logic.

[@ericklagos1431]

You should have conducted them based on their diameter to get more accurate results. The Maxcuatro is 0.178mm Beyond braid is 0.20mm Daiwa 8 grand is 0.229mm Using that information, you would actually be in the 30lb range if using same thickness with the maxcuatro vs the 8grand And around the 24lb using the beyond braid of same thickness

[@russb296]

Why not use a Palomar when trying to the swivel considering that's what most people use with braid or the double palomar...

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the question! Please check out the full blog on our website and post your comment there so Luke can respond directly. You can find it here: bit.ly/3uSDdvO

[@Bovined.]

Where are you finding Daiwa 8 grand so cheap? Beyond braidx8 is like $30 for a 500 yard spool of 20lb. Daiwa 8 grand is like $30 for 150 yard spool of 20lb.

[@HuyBui-xv9rs]

Failed to mention line diameter.

[@Saltstrong]

They are all the same

[@emanfishing]

Sunline PE X8 12lb .006. :)

[@williammata6019]

I been wanting to try sunline but no where to be find

[@kevinwynne9]

@@williammata6019 Ebay. Try the Sunline Xplasma Asegia. It's the real deal ‼️

[@williammata6019]

@@kevinwynne9 The problem with that man is that I’m scared that they’ll give me some fake line which it has happened to me before

[@kevinwynne9]

@@emanfishing I ordered from eBay and it came from Tackle Warehouse

[@NjsFin3st]

I love maxcautro

[@karlkobler218]

Braid testing doesnt mean ANYTHING without tensile strength/ABS testing and diameter testing. Line manufactures are ridiculously off on their listed diameters and breaking strengths. So you could be comparing .25 MM line against .35 MM line without even knowing it, making the knot tying testing worthless because you cant compare it to its tensile strength and its diameter. PLEASE for the love god start doing ABS and diameter testing, its what we need as consumers of fishing line!

[@mattmarsman6199]

He’s just comparing the advertised 20lb rating line from each brand, as a consumer I never look at diameter unless I’m worried about line capacity on a reel. I just want to see price to performance of that line weight class, this most likely isn’t the video for you I guess, though for me it was quite informative.

[@markdotson607]

Try berkeley x 9

[@Saltstrong]

Noted! Thanks!

[@davidhunn5926]

Of course Diawa will win. Salt Strong/Diawa.

[@Saltstrong]

We do not get kickbacks of any kind from Daiwa, so we have no reason to misinform our members about which tackle to get (our revenue comes from our Insider Club in which we guarantee to help them catch more fish and save money on tackle). Once we find a line that can beat this 8 Grand, we will not hesitate to publish the test details on it.

[@aquaholiklee]

Misleading tests. Yes, Diawa is a great value but it is thicker than Maxcuatro which has diameter closer to most 10 lbs braid. Strength test, knot strength or actual breaking strength is useless without comparing line diameter.

[@Saltstrong]

Make sure to post your feedback over on the actual blog or in the Community where the coaches spend their time. The blog can be found here: bit.ly/3uSDdvO

[@kennethrenock6588]

Daiwa 8x price will be going up pretty soon😢😂😂

[@troycote4503]

And the Maxcuatro is 25 % thinner. at least than Power Pro.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the tip!

[@timothydavis6069]

Really hope this is unintentionally misleading... aside from Justin Ritchey you guys have been pretty non bias about things but maxcuatro is .23mm for 30lb test and the 8grand is .23mm for the 20lb test, not a fair comparison to use 20lb PP at .19mm. Weird cause for the leader tests you made them the same diameter, this should be strength per diameter.. PPMC is 30 is way stronger than the jbraid and the beyond for the same diameter.... the 20lb PP is the same diameter as 15lb jbraid.

[@Saltstrong]

Sorry about that... the PPMC was mainly just there to see how it did vs. this new version of the Beyond Braid compared to the PPMC that crushed the original version of the Beyond Braid. Since PPMC is thinner and not an 8 strand line, it didn't really serve a purpose in this test and any negative comparisons of strength shouldn't be concluded from this quick test.

[@timothydavis6069]

@@Saltstrong could you guys please try the regular j braid x8 20 against others? Some other not as scientific tests from people show it's an amazing line

[@Saltstrong]

@@timothydavis6069 Interesting! I have heard that the regular 8x isn't as good as this grand series, so I haven't yet tested it out. My next test will be 8 grand vs powerpro slick v2.

[@Timothy-kn6vi]

How has your anxiety been?

[@MiguelJimenez-un4rm]

I must say I've conducted my own test and the beyond braid is nowhere near its rated power

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the input

[@michaelf2646]

These tests are meaningless if just the advertised poundage is taken in consideration. When a braid advertised as 10lbs is close to a 30lbs line both as diameter and real word poundage then it really is a 30lbs line. For example Power-pro 10lbs has roughly the same breaking strength and diameter as Suffix 832 15lbs, and are both 30+ lines. I bet they cast just about the same.

[@Saltstrong]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@IdontcareJnoJon]

Useless without diameter comparaison...........

[@Sir_Defyable]

The test is useless without diameter of the line and weight for a given length to compare breaking strength per diameter and strength to weight ratio. “Pound test” rating is completely arbitrary. If the MaxCuatro was rated as 10 lb line, which is what it would compare to for the same diameter in J-Braid, it would absolutely win the comparison. That said, Yo-Zuri Superbraid is currently the best value for strong braid, as the 20# YZ and 30# MaxCuatro have nearly identical diameter and breaking strength (highest in their diameter class) but the YZ is considerably cheaper

[@hunter5858]

Ive tried it all came back always Daiwa jbraid

[@Saltstrong]

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