Adding a SECOND Way to Start the OLD Cat TraxCavator!!! ~ Part 17 ~ 1950s Caterpillar TraxCavator

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Salvage Workshop

Salvage Workshop

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@SammyFender
@SammyFender 3 жыл бұрын
Do the work so you won’t worry about it later. If you don’t, you’ll be watching it leak every time you use it. And video the Tahoe work too
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
I hated watching it leak when I had it running before!
@aukepiersma4822
@aukepiersma4822 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalvageWorkshop So you have your answer....
@mantaz603
@mantaz603 3 жыл бұрын
For all the reasons you mentioned, yes, change the head gasket. You'll kick yourself later if you put it all together and then are forced to do.
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.... I agree, begrudgingly, but I agree!
@Fatamus
@Fatamus 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, I second that emotion... because if you don't .... you will be emoting at yourself the whole time you're working on it .... AGAIN ... Did you get a head gasket from Cat? the only head gasket I advise putting gasket sealer on (Permatex Aviation 300 only) get new water jacket ferrules and seals (goes between the head and block) ... copper ferrules CAN be reused so use caution when removing .... seals are updated to a new type o polymer which replace the leaky old styled rubberish seals. NOTE: after your first heat cool cycle on the new head gasket ... pop valve cover and re-toque the head bolts to final toque spec.
@bobblack3870
@bobblack3870 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalvageWorkshop Too bad you didn't tighten the head bolts to see if that would have solved the problem while it was running.
@Dave5843-d9m
@Dave5843-d9m 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobblack3870 just looking at this again, I think the old head gasket has already expired due to age and the materials available when it was originally made.
@GodzillaB210
@GodzillaB210 3 жыл бұрын
I am throwing my hat in on changing the head gasket. Like you said, it's a good time to do it.
@JeremiahMuchangi
@JeremiahMuchangi 3 жыл бұрын
Addictive series. Watched and learnt so much this month on the Old Red videos
@Gman13
@Gman13 3 жыл бұрын
Having been a diesel mechanic for 50 yrs before I retired, I would check the head bolts for correct tightness, if they are okay, I'm afraid the head will have to come off to cure the leaks. Well done on the work though, I really enjoy seeing how you overcome problems. Keep the Vids coming. Regards Graham (UK)
@lilreb601
@lilreb601 3 жыл бұрын
Yup! Since you’re in it this far, might as well. Because you’ll doubt yourself later. And YES, I’d follow the Tahoe series!!!
@xxbreakingwindxx4264
@xxbreakingwindxx4264 3 жыл бұрын
agreed
@gutsngorrrr
@gutsngorrrr 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree, it would be mad not to do it.
@terrydavis6132
@terrydavis6132 3 жыл бұрын
If your needing Tahoe to ride , then by all means fix it first , I used to run a 955 just like that when I was fifteen and sixteen , I would certainly like to see it fixed back right with it's bucket in the dirt and making some money ..... A little advice , when you start working it hard in a tight place , get ready to do some sweating , that's a lot of hot metal to be setting on top of .
@josephderusso1678
@josephderusso1678 3 жыл бұрын
You know you want to
@josephderusso1678
@josephderusso1678 3 жыл бұрын
Also Tahoe 👍
@julianpighin1572
@julianpighin1572 3 жыл бұрын
YAAAAS. I'm ashamed to admit I'm addicted to this series
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Why are you ashamed? OWN IT!
@Simon-nn4kf
@Simon-nn4kf 3 жыл бұрын
Same here brother !!
@leoalmond9489
@leoalmond9489 3 жыл бұрын
Don't stop this service on OLD RED I LOVE IT!!!
@kenchasser4376
@kenchasser4376 3 жыл бұрын
Go for the head gasket on “Old Red” now! And, you’ll be able to adjust your rockers at the end.
@robertwenzell9510
@robertwenzell9510 3 жыл бұрын
I concur with the Head Gasket replacement
@johnadams3152
@johnadams3152 3 жыл бұрын
How about retorquing the head bolts first to see if it really needs to be tore down. theres been a lot of loose bolt on Old Red.
@dwayneshelton9306
@dwayneshelton9306 3 жыл бұрын
Yes you will feel better and sleep better knowing that you did everything you could to have a safe and useable machine.
@eldonjenkins551
@eldonjenkins551 2 жыл бұрын
I was always taught that when something has been opened up fix it. Saves time and usually money in the long run. Good videos and love to see old things brought back to life. These are the machines that built a lot of America and it's a shame to see them turned to junk and put out like old People
@sjp52047
@sjp52047 3 жыл бұрын
You answered it yourself. I always ask the question, "will it be any easier any other time than it is now?" Then comes, "well I might as well as". So there you go. I really like your decision to keep the pony in it as well as the new starter. Regards, Solomon
@Larry_C_191
@Larry_C_191 3 жыл бұрын
For 12 volt just run a line from the positive of the first battery in series. It's only the second battery that gives you 24 volts. Many 24 volt machines have lots of 12 volt accessories. I do it all the time on heavy equipment and trucks. Keep up the extremely interesting videos.
@gutsngorrrr
@gutsngorrrr 3 жыл бұрын
Was going to say the same thing.
@MrEdwardhartmann
@MrEdwardhartmann 3 жыл бұрын
@@robjustlooking8729 That 24V alternator/regulator is the whole key to the simple configuration. If he stays with the 12V charging system, then then the batteries will need to be in parallel for charging and series for starting - a much more complex switching problem.
@challengerhitchman
@challengerhitchman 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEdwardhartmann switches are common to go between 12 and 24 volt, many ag tractors start on 24 but operate on 12v.
@tractorguysgarage7057
@tractorguysgarage7057 3 жыл бұрын
Yup we have a couple of dozers that are 24v start but all the cab controls and lights are 12v. In ours the 24v cable runs direct to the starter and that's it. Another line runs off the first batt with 12v and runs into the cab to power all the rest including the starters solenoid
@tractorguysgarage7057
@tractorguysgarage7057 3 жыл бұрын
Also then as mentioned they have 24v alternators as well
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 3 жыл бұрын
In the moment you asked abt the head gasket, it's not a question anymore: Make it. You will feel better and you sleep better. And yes, lets look the Tahoe! Regards from Germany.
@rogerlaw7472
@rogerlaw7472 3 жыл бұрын
Like you say your so far into restoring ole red and with the parts you have already removed your well on your way.......it would be Sod’s law the leaking will get worse further down the line. Removing the head having it skimmed and new gasket isn’t a massive undertaking and certainly is worth doing now,and man after me own heart as I like the way like me you research and give it ago and your doing a great job on this traxcavator...... really enjoying ole reds journey.
@tomlawson5655
@tomlawson5655 3 жыл бұрын
All the work you,ve done on this machine, it would be criminal not to do the head gasket now. You know you won't regret it.
@andrewd.1113
@andrewd.1113 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling how the Pony Motor could be used to pre-heat the engine on a cold day to make starting easier. It goes to show how much though went into the design of this machine. Your explanations as to what you are doing , and what will be done next are logical and methodical. I don't want to "blow smoke" at you, but yours is one of the best channels on KZbin! Keep up the good work!
@andrewd.1113
@andrewd.1113 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@johnforgy2494
@johnforgy2494 3 жыл бұрын
Head gasket now. You don't want to button everything up and then go back and tear it apart to fix a leak you can access now. Love your videos...you do a great job explaining and educating as you go. The dogs are great too!!
@apachepaul
@apachepaul 3 жыл бұрын
"Switch is smoking, wires are getting hot...", smashes button 5 more times, "...probably not good for it!" LOLOL!
@austinhughes6852
@austinhughes6852 3 жыл бұрын
I think the choice to put in the new starter.Was a good idea that way you have.A reliable way to start the machine.
@robertbarry4021
@robertbarry4021 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely change the head gasket. I was a bus mechanic at NYC MTA. I was not an electrician. However we got 25 Grumman buses of the failing A-Frame fiasco, and I am pretty sure the had a two voltage system 12 and 24.Maybe you could dig up some of the old schematics. I am retired a long time so my memory fails. I love watching Old Red go through the makeover. You're doing a great job, reminds me of myself when I was young.
@garfield1415
@garfield1415 3 жыл бұрын
i agree on the fact that you have "OLD RED" already apart, it seems like a no-brainer to do the head gasket now purely for longevity of the machine, i really enjoy watching the videos!
@blindeinsteinnichols2023
@blindeinsteinnichols2023 3 жыл бұрын
After hard days work on my 1973 lincoln continental its nice to sit back watch you guys repair old stuff to !!!!!!
@cadcad4974
@cadcad4974 3 жыл бұрын
I have been following your Big Red project from the beginning don't want to miss a single video!🙂
@geofflewis4815
@geofflewis4815 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, yes definitely go ahead with the new nead gaskets, because if you don't and you know its leaking oil, perhaps have it checked for flatness, no warp, regrind all the valves and when you fit the head use a GOOD TORQUE BAR to torque it down and to the correct sequence. Good luck as I have been watching all the work on Old Red 👍👍👍 best wishes Geoff Lewis, Wales UK 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿.
@pedrocantarelli3636
@pedrocantarelli3636 3 жыл бұрын
Go ahead with the restoration. You are doing things correctly. Do not stop! The old red deserves this affection.
@williamhague2768
@williamhague2768 3 жыл бұрын
Do it. You’ll never regret it. Quality work never costs, it ALWAYS pays....
@kelvinaston1367
@kelvinaston1367 3 жыл бұрын
It’s worth doing now. You will always regret not doing in the future. Great videos, series and channel. Greeting from London UK
@alanbedford9989
@alanbedford9989 3 жыл бұрын
Well the comments r telling u yer get that head off and that sump u can look for nothing there is never a better time than now and I will watch u do that 4 wheel drive and now I will get on with my honda crv clutch in my back yard been at it since I was 17 still spanner ing now 70 enjoy it Google luck from uk
@JB-NZ
@JB-NZ 3 жыл бұрын
@Salvage Workshop, I have been binge watching this whole series over the last few days, love it. But no update since this Part 17, 9 months ago? Has there been something mentioned in another one of your series which I haven't seen yet? Would love more updates on this series. I was gutted to get to 17 thinking I have 9 more months of possible content to binge, and I have come to the end.
@davecanly7535
@davecanly7535 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the end for old red, no series 18???
@WIDESIDE72
@WIDESIDE72 2 жыл бұрын
I wondered the same thing…
@ajl9491
@ajl9491 2 жыл бұрын
Scrap price is going thru the roof! Gotta fund other stuff!
@ljangus
@ljangus 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to know as well.
@fernandoscrenci9555
@fernandoscrenci9555 3 жыл бұрын
Any motor vehicle of any kind you want fix, and tape on KZbin!! I'll be glad to watch!! You have great program here!! 👍👍👍👍👍 And love your dogs!!
@f75gunslinger
@f75gunslinger 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely do the head gasket now. You've already got so much of the work done to get to the head easily, and if the head is leaking as badly as I remember it needs to be done. The more you run it the worse it'll get.
@aussiepewpew557
@aussiepewpew557 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say i really love this old red series.👍🏻 I did my trade in engine machining and assembly straight after school, for 12 years. Now I'm a plant operator here in Australia for 14 years, so these videos encompass everything i love. Keep up the great work. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺
@StealthDonut1
@StealthDonut1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a mechanical expert or engine guy, but it seems that at every step along the journey of getting Ol' Red back up and running you've removed various parts and in *every* one of them you've found something that made you glad you did it. This beast is Korean War vintage, pushing 70 years old now and just based on that it's probably well worth it to take it apart, refurbish everything inside, and then slap it back together again. It'll be in great working order, but most importantly you'll *know* it's in great working order because you did the work on it! :)
@Dave5843-d9m
@Dave5843-d9m 3 жыл бұрын
That track drive sprocket that nearly took your leg off when it let gos is testament to this machine's hard life. Why would the cylinder head be any different? YKIMS. ;)
@carstennelson4830
@carstennelson4830 3 жыл бұрын
She's a bit tired.. she's pushing 70 you would need a new head gasket too..
@64marine
@64marine 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed; what you do now to refurbish that motor will ensure that it will run a good while after you quit working; lol.
@64marine
@64marine 3 жыл бұрын
A man I knew got one for $15500 non running; refurbished it and buil;t the area for houses (2) and a barn and outbuildings. Then sold the fine running old beast for $25000
@JAQ157
@JAQ157 3 жыл бұрын
Go ahead and make it right, you've come this far. Imagine if you don't do it and then you have take everything apart again.
@robertjull9851
@robertjull9851 3 жыл бұрын
Totally enjoy your channel. Old red deserves to be rebuilt to the best of your ability. Change the head gasket.
@paulbutterfield6924
@paulbutterfield6924 3 жыл бұрын
I’m with you with tests and memory. Only things I have done with hands on do I remember.👍👍👍
@paulog8813
@paulog8813 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely make a series on the Tahoe fixing. Concerning the head on the tractor motor, although there is an old saying that if it’s running don’t mess with it; on your case, meticulous as you are, I wouldn’t hesitate to say, DO IT. Greetings from Brazil.
@davidakridge2831
@davidakridge2831 3 жыл бұрын
Hard not to keep it authentic. I get it though. This is going to be a working beast.
@nathankveene
@nathankveene 3 жыл бұрын
Yes to all of the questions, especially the FIRE!
@roderickmacgregor4867
@roderickmacgregor4867 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking from my own self anything you put out i will watch and enjoy go for the truck
@GMascelli
@GMascelli 2 жыл бұрын
Stumbled upon your videos and binge watched all of “Old Red”. Love the old iron and your great attitude. Looking forward to working my way through the playlists.
@ronmathewson
@ronmathewson 3 жыл бұрын
Yes to both, I enjoy learning new things, whether it's old tractors or newish trucks. Great channel, keep up the nice work.
@tiptondavid
@tiptondavid 3 жыл бұрын
I've gotten sucked in on these videos. I'm up to 17 on old Red so heck yeah, make it brand new. I'd love to see you redo the Tahoe, too! I even subscribed! I am 73 and I'll never be doing anything like this but I'm loving you doing it! Thanks! I love dogs an kids so I'm with ya all the way!
@davecanly7535
@davecanly7535 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like old red won't be back
@bjarnevarme9830
@bjarnevarme9830 3 жыл бұрын
No problem. You put 2 batteries in series to the starter 24v . The 12 v you just connect to one of the batteries. That way you have 2 system with 2 different voltage but connected together.
@Mad.Man.Marine
@Mad.Man.Marine 3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same thing. I’ve done it like this before.
@buddycarroll9665
@buddycarroll9665 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy the work on the pony motor and starter. Sure do the head gasket . I’m a gear head and more than likely many of your viewers are too.
@rafidishak7801
@rafidishak7801 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video....by all mean this is the time to do the head gasket to stop the leaks . Bettter do it now rather than dealing with it later ... Looking forward to see more of your nice thorough presentation.
@russgier4409
@russgier4409 3 жыл бұрын
Old semi trucks had a series parallel switch that accommodated a 24 volt starter and a 12 lighting and accessories you might start there, they were phased out in the early 80s they charge both 12 batteries at the same time
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds PERFECT!! I'll look into it, thank you!!
@tommywilliams5135
@tommywilliams5135 3 жыл бұрын
Lot big trucks from the 80s had parallel switch so you can crank with 24 run everything else on 12 volts
@ronaldheit196
@ronaldheit196 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalvageWorkshop please check out my comment on Marine battery switches.
@SuperBrainAK
@SuperBrainAK 3 жыл бұрын
What you need to do is connect the two 12v batteries in series, then connect the negative of one battery to the chassis ground and ground of both starters. Then the positive of the second battery in series (24v) will go to the contactor of the giant Diesel starter. Then the midpoint of the two batteries (positive of the battery connected directly to chassis ground) will be your 12v point. The 12v from that will go directly to the contactor of the Pony motor starter. Then all you need to do is have a toggle switch that changes which starter contactor gets energized or have two different buttons to engage one of the two starters. You will probably need to use the 12v to engage the pony motor starter contactor and the 24v to engage the Diesel starter. So wire the two buttons or switches approprietly. Lastly you just need to have a 24v alternator to charge the batteries in series and the SLA chemistry will do all the balancing you may need by itself.
@deanparsons2594
@deanparsons2594 3 жыл бұрын
Another option is 24 to 12v voltage regulators common to electric golf carts. They are cheap. Hope this helps.
@johnfrett1739
@johnfrett1739 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to suggest finding another starter cone and removing less material and using larger corner radii. If the cone deflects the end bearing will wear quicker or may possibly bind. If the cone breaks things can go really bad. Additions and/or corrections to this post are welcome.
@benjaminmellingen5340
@benjaminmellingen5340 3 жыл бұрын
hmm. the head gasket is a tricky one. this is definitely the time to do it if you have the resources and time, but I think you have to prepare yourself to open a can of worms :P if you plan on using the machine I would definitely want a machine that didn't leak!
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
YUP! That's the dilemma!
@SkullCrusher757
@SkullCrusher757 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalvageWorkshop shia lebeouf has the perfect saying for this situation "just do it"
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkullCrusher757 Pretty sure that's Nike's tag line! lol, but ya I agree!
@alan71033
@alan71033 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should definitely videotape the Tahoe. My father was a mechanic. I seen all this when I was growing up. I think today’s kids and young men even some of the girls would love to see these videos. I can do what you do but I don’t do well with a video camera. It’s also nice watching somebody else wrench learning your ideas.
@francismewton3276
@francismewton3276 3 жыл бұрын
You won't know until you take the cover off while there's nothing in the way, at the end of the day it's a learning curve. All the best. Great job so far...
@sube1988
@sube1988 3 жыл бұрын
in my eyes you are a true genious you deserve 1000000000mil subscribers cheers from country GEORGIA🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🥃🥃🥃
@craigsmith8217
@craigsmith8217 3 жыл бұрын
The electric starter sounds like a good idea for starting a warmed up diesel. I suspect using the pony motor for cold starts would work best.
@TheHandOfFear
@TheHandOfFear 3 жыл бұрын
FOR SIMPLE 12V/24V: You can simply connect the 12V motor to one 12V battery and the 24V motor to two 12V batteries in series, no switch required. The only drawback is that if you ran both on a regular basis the battery supplying the 12V circuit and half of the 24V would drain much faster than the other battery. I don't think this would really be an issue if you are mostly using the 24V motor and the 12V only occasionally. If you were using the 12V regularly you could of course physically swap the batteries from time to time to balance their discharge rate, or even have a switch to alternate the 12V circuit between the two batteries. This might be overkill however. If you have the room, you could simply install 3 12V batteries, one supplying the 12V motor and the other two connected in series to the 24V motor. The advantage being that you have completely isolated circuits, but because all three batteries are the same type, you could physically swap them around if one were to fail giving you some redundancy.
@kayneahnung3661
@kayneahnung3661 3 жыл бұрын
exactly, just put the two batteries in serial (- of Battery one to + of Battery two) for the 12V circuit you just use the connectors of Battery one, for the 24V circuit you use + of Battery one and - of Battery two. I agree that it should be overkill to automatically alternate between the two batteries, but maybe create it in a way that you can easily change where the 12V-Circuit is connected.
@wyattbrown9506
@wyattbrown9506 3 жыл бұрын
This might be months later, but just get that old piece of equipment to charge at a 24 volt rate, and charge both batteries as if they were one 24 volt battery.
@jimrankin2583
@jimrankin2583 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is space, on a track loader especially. Just not much room to stick 3 batteries, or even two. And you can’t simply switch the positive feed for 12 volts between batteries. You have to physically swap the ground as well or you’ll go from 12 volts to 24 when you move the positive cable. It would have been a lot simpler to use a 12 volt starter ☹️
@JWimpy
@JWimpy 3 жыл бұрын
I know exactly where you are coming from with organization. My kids laugh at me about my obsessive organization and labeling everything in bins. But I always find anything I have in a moment's notice. Or I can tell them right where to get at whatever they are looking for in my shop.
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!! It takes lots of time to be organized, but NO one laughs when they need something and you have it AND know RIGHT where it is!!
@roymay3006
@roymay3006 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I was more organized, Mrs claus reminds me every day of my disorganization. And the elves to as well.
@johnhamilton7124
@johnhamilton7124 3 жыл бұрын
Wire in a 100 amp relay for the second battery. Only thirty dollars from EXTREME OFF ROAD its completely weather proof. It's used for winches, constantly usa, used one on my rescue truck. Everybody else told me they weren't availableor wanted eighty/hundred dollars. But they carry them , amd and cheaply. Love your persistence. I've watched all your videos on this CAT.
@firewalker1372
@firewalker1372 3 жыл бұрын
This has been an amazing series, 100 percent invested in this series now 😂. If I where you, I would definitely go ahead and replace the head gasket. If it’s already leaking and it could only get worse. You already removed a lot crap that’s in the way. Yeah it’s a little more work, but could definitely save you a headache down the road. Get it done bud......
@davidhelmuth6654
@davidhelmuth6654 3 жыл бұрын
The consensus is to do the head gasket on “ol red”. As to the content do what you do we will watch. Been watching when you were doing just tool stuff and cleanup and fixing stuff around the shop and house. Was on the fence about the tractor, but now I get upset that it takes to long to see the next thing... 🤫😂👍👍
@stevecobb6001
@stevecobb6001 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings SW from North Wales UK. Great series!
@stuartwatson3178
@stuartwatson3178 3 жыл бұрын
love the way you explained making the terminal tabs for the electronics, better to do the head gasket now then regret it latter.
@davidtaylor8304
@davidtaylor8304 3 жыл бұрын
Suspect head gaskets only ever get worse, they never cure themselves. Lifting the head will also address several other "unknowns". Take the injector's away for a professional service. Money, money !! but you'll compliment yourself in the long run. Much impressed with all your work so far. Cheers.
@barrytimmerman2411
@barrytimmerman2411 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, definitely put in a new head gasket. It’s logical. Pay me now or pay me later as the expression goes.
@jimjoenks5595
@jimjoenks5595 3 жыл бұрын
To srart it on 24 then run on12 volt you just need a series parallel switch availible at any truck shop
@realanimal3602
@realanimal3602 3 жыл бұрын
Yes do it now, with having so much off now is the time since it is already leaking. If you don't, the leak will get worse then it will be a bear to pull everything back off. Just my 2 cents on the Tahoe, there are so many channels that work on the newer cars and trucks. I come here to see the more unusual. I mean really how many other channels are working on old forklifts and crawler loaders? Back in the day my dad operated a grader, not sure the brand, it was huge but only had 4 wheels not 6. It had 4 wheel steering and started with a pony motor. I always wondered how it worked, now thanks to you I know.
@traktorworks3200
@traktorworks3200 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely top video no waffle gets to the point knows his stuff interesting projects no crappy music so keep up your excellent work as I really enjoyed it
@giggiddy
@giggiddy 3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it! He isn't showing a bunch of tattoos, with colored hair using filthy profanity trying to develope a brand while all we want is wrenching. Cheers!
@robertbohannan2255
@robertbohannan2255 3 жыл бұрын
Never be any easier than it is right now.. Go for it.
@johnnyz9092
@johnnyz9092 3 жыл бұрын
If you remove the head and gasket, it is normal that the head and block needs to be machined( flattened) after all these years you can see where the gasket was in the metal. An idea is to make separate +and - terminals 12v and 24 v outsite to connect your starter jumper on This was common in the army. Thankss i enjoy all your episodes John.
@NutsNBolts24
@NutsNBolts24 3 жыл бұрын
My dads old tractor that was 6v start, he just took it and had a rebuild done. Had them wind it too 12v. I was twelve, 53 now and starter still works great.
@KathrinRena
@KathrinRena 3 жыл бұрын
I found in my life, if you have to ask your self "should I?" then 95% of the time, yes you should, change the head gasket
@fedebla70
@fedebla70 3 жыл бұрын
When you're sailing and the wind is getting strong that the rule to know when to reef the mainsail: when you think about it, do it
@kadmaster
@kadmaster 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing...Cheers from Turkey....
@Gman13
@Gman13 3 жыл бұрын
Just has a added note, regarding the starter when you tested it, I noticed you had the pos. battery feed on the end body stud. This should be a earth return (assuming it is neg return), the small wire from the solenoid to this stud allows the solenoid to work (neg return), that bracket you call a support bracket on the solenoid is actually the feed to the starter motor after the bendix has engaged. The pos wire from the battery should go to the other large solenoid stud. To operate the starter, a pos feed should go to the other small solenoid connector (not the wire that goes to the earth stud) Hope this helps
@mikekopisz1227
@mikekopisz1227 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing.....Stud on the can is -/negative...main post on solenoid is main +/positive....inner post on the solenoid,is solenoid/bendex trigger and outer,small post on the solenoid is an option lead,that energizes when key is in start position,to either "throw" a 3 wire fuel shut off or to energize a murphy switch....UNLESS, its a reverse polarity setup,which I've seen in the past,but that's usually seen on an engine that uses a generator/starter combo ..I think he needs to confirm his wiring,before his hard work goes up in smoke
@robertkenney-oles5948
@robertkenney-oles5948 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of 24v systems are positive ground
@heathworsley8347
@heathworsley8347 3 жыл бұрын
Bonfires are awesome, if done right... we have no doubts. My humble opinion is that you are far enough into "old red" to put in a little more wrench time for the head gasket. And the TAHOE project sounds cool. If you believe it or not,, it's difficult to find cool things to watch sometimes. I haven't been disappointed by your channel yet. Thanks for bringing us along.
@iamspindleman
@iamspindleman 3 жыл бұрын
The answer to all of your questions is Yes. I love watching your videos and look forward to the new ones especially Old Red. Your dogs are a great bonus in the vids. I say do the head gasket but full disclosure, I say that because I want more videos of this project.
@garyablett5180
@garyablett5180 3 жыл бұрын
Your dilemma reminds me of the old man who never goes to the Doctor because he might find out bad news ! cheers from Australia
@IanSlothieRolfe
@IanSlothieRolfe 3 жыл бұрын
Its better to open the can to see if its full of worms than have them all escape at an inconvenient time after you've spent hours putting it all back together!
@Quake81270
@Quake81270 3 жыл бұрын
I would do everything you can do to "Old Red" while he is disassembled. Dogs, other rebuild videos or home repair whatever you do we (subs who watch ALL your posts) will watch and some won't like it but the vast majority will support you.
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend!
@kenbarnes8958
@kenbarnes8958 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your battery cables. 60 years ago I did the same thing with some copper tubing and discovered that there was more than one kind of copper tubing. It would get hot and not carry enogh amps. So if you have problems with the starter, keep that in mind.
@danielj.schneider5162
@danielj.schneider5162 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in the camp saying go for it with the head gasket. Of course you'll be opening a can of worms, but that's half the fun (especially for us viewers). You may never have another time when you're already this far in to make it relatively easy. As for the Tahoe, not terribly interested myself. Want to see the Traxcavator through to the end and see the giant bandsaw, jointer and planer all up and running!
@olgriz485
@olgriz485 3 жыл бұрын
There is a switch you can buy that contacts both to 24 volts ( mine was a push button ) so both 12 volt batteries stay changed . Series to parallel and back. Or the other way I forgot ATM
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
THAT is EXACTLY what I'm looking for! Thanks for letting me know about that! I'll look into it!
@sams991
@sams991 3 жыл бұрын
It’s actually called a series parallel switch. For systems that start on 24 and charge on 12.
@olgriz485
@olgriz485 3 жыл бұрын
@@sams991 I tried to send a link to an EBAY site to buy one. Ac Delco makes one
@sams991
@sams991 3 жыл бұрын
@@olgriz485 EBay is one source.. I’d call J&N Electric. They are in Ohio and have been supplying parts, new and rebuilt units to the industry for decades. There are some knowledgeable guys there that can get him exactly what he needs.
@olgriz485
@olgriz485 3 жыл бұрын
@@sams991 Super that's exactly what information he needs. My piece of equipment was a 1955 International 1 ton 4x4 with a 6 volt system. The engine was extremely difficult to start in cold weather. My IH dealer stil carried almost everything I needed for those trucks. Mine had been damaged and i got one on the spot. 1977 was the time. I still own it. Conoco Wyoming in Cheyenne and I bought it from them for $200. 20 years later I rebuilt the straight six for $1000. I'm glad I did. Finding these old trucks is expensive and need a lot of work. I've the build list from the plant everything was original and had Conoco on the door.
@johncole1917
@johncole1917 3 жыл бұрын
WHEN YOU ARE WIRING THE NEW STARTER, I RECOMMEND PUTTING A KEYED INLINE “DEAD MAN” SWITCH. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE THE BATTERY FROM DRAINING IF ANY OPTION IS LEFT RUNNING, THERE IS A DEAD SHORT, AND PREVENT AN KIDS OR UN-NICE PERSON FROM USING THE POOR OLD LADY.
@almostanengineer
@almostanengineer 3 жыл бұрын
I think you answered your own question, this is one of the easiest times to do it, so you might as well do it.
@EL300B
@EL300B 3 жыл бұрын
Iv'e fought those pony motors for years.Best thing I ever did was to toss the pony and change to direct start.My d4 was a 12 volt system so I used a 12 volt starter and used the original wiring.Been using it for 12 years and it works great,even down to 10 degreesF.
@likemydrums666
@likemydrums666 3 жыл бұрын
I repair various drum kits and I label spare parts like that. I also put a brief description in a XL spreadsheet so I can just check that before I have to spend money on spares. I love your dedication to solving each problem. Brilliant!
@malcolmlane-ley2044
@malcolmlane-ley2044 3 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness the pony moder isn’t going to be trashed otherwise I heard that 300 times for nothing
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
LOLOLOL
@RSterkenburg
@RSterkenburg 3 жыл бұрын
Do you not need the pony to warm the coolant? Sure the starter CAN start the diesel cold, but SHOULD it?
@Dave5843-d9m
@Dave5843-d9m 3 жыл бұрын
@@RSterkenburg I think this alone is a strong reason to keep the pony motor. Though you could fit a fuel fired block heater.
@tomanpcm
@tomanpcm 3 жыл бұрын
:-) Greetings from Slovakia.
@Argumedies
@Argumedies 3 жыл бұрын
Your can of worms opened up the day you walked in that old barn. With everything you've already done, it would be foolish to not replace the head gasket because if its already leaking, its not going to get better and your choices are to do it now or do it later. I dont know why im so vested in this machine but ive watched every one of them and i look forward to its completion.
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
Lol... yeah this machine was more like a truck load of worms, wasn't it!! Slowly but surely, we're getting them taken care of!! Thanks for the support! I truly appreciate it!
@dougabrahamsen2952
@dougabrahamsen2952 2 жыл бұрын
I have been watching your videos and came to the conclusion I am old! I learned all of this as a necessity when I was a kid. Also I will tell you we would wire the voltage required for both into an old electric p.t.o. switch so we could select which we needed.
@frankmillett7603
@frankmillett7603 3 жыл бұрын
I always went by the old saying, if it isn’t broke , don’t fix it . I enjoy watching your videos.
@marcusburns4377
@marcusburns4377 3 жыл бұрын
"Never memorize something that you can look up." -Einstein
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
There it is!!
@cleasonleasure4832
@cleasonleasure4832 3 жыл бұрын
Good one I agree!
@white_horse_willy
@white_horse_willy 3 жыл бұрын
Also Eric O with SMA
@cdoublejj
@cdoublejj 3 жыл бұрын
i use this trick a lot in I.T.
@chrisbolton4900
@chrisbolton4900 3 жыл бұрын
"Look at all that packing" - It definitely didn't come from Amazon...
@steveeab2364
@steveeab2364 3 жыл бұрын
More and more I find myself ordering from specialty websites over Amazon.
@leisureshoot
@leisureshoot 3 жыл бұрын
"I rebuilt 99% of this Cat engine, adding new and refurbished parts along the way. I cleaned it up and put it all back together. Now that I have it back together, I am going to take it all back apart and replace the head gasket."
@harryp271
@harryp271 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there, thanks for awesome videos on the restoration of OLD RED, please would love to see the next part 18 onwards. Thanks
@robertadriver6931
@robertadriver6931 3 жыл бұрын
You've gone thru all these problems so don't stop now. Fix her up & enjoy her, you deserve it. I'm surprised you are not subscribed to Matt at Diesel Creek as he is into old/vintage machines too. Hope you do more videos with the old Cat soon.
@harmonicadude4732
@harmonicadude4732 3 жыл бұрын
The real question to ask is how many more episodes until the opening is “so I pulled the main diesel out of old red”.
@SalvageWorkshop
@SalvageWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
NEVER!!
@chadnaumetz2189
@chadnaumetz2189 3 жыл бұрын
@@SalvageWorkshop I hope you haven’t jinxed yourself , but I would still watch.
@markdauncey927
@markdauncey927 3 жыл бұрын
Never - That's only because you'll in frame it 😀😀
@rayfalcon777
@rayfalcon777 3 жыл бұрын
Let us be with you at the bonfire with some sweet tea and fireworks lol
@MazeFrame
@MazeFrame 3 жыл бұрын
Concerning the battery system: When you have the two batteries in series, taking a tap from the bridge between them gives you 12 Volts.
@trevor311264
@trevor311264 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, you are then only connecting to one of the batteries.
@mctronics7878
@mctronics7878 3 жыл бұрын
That is correct but then you have to find a way to charge each 12V battery independently. If you were to load them as a 24V pack you would have balance issues.
@bgood2010
@bgood2010 3 жыл бұрын
@@mctronics7878 That's usually not a big problem with lead acid type batteries as long as they are about the same in (real) capacity, they tent to balance themselves quite well. I've run new and old, 75% charged and fully charged batteries together on many types of machines (tractors, loaders, dump trucks, excavators, boats and so on), and they seem to balance fine. Balancing cells is more a problem with li-ion and li-po cells. And when using many batteries in series, e.g. in higher voltage systems (36v, 48v, 60v ++). Just my 2 cents...
@mctronics7878
@mctronics7878 3 жыл бұрын
@@bgood2010 indeed it seems you're right, once fully loaded the excess of charging power will induce electrolysis of the water in the acid, which is not too concerning as long as the pack is kept from drying up by adding distilled water when needed.
@bgood2010
@bgood2010 3 жыл бұрын
@@mctronics7878 Yes, a very good point about using distilled water. I've seen too many dead batteries where people have topped them off with tap water... A friend of mine even topped off his with water from a stream a few years ago, and couldn't understand why his battery was dead the next morning... 😊
@jeffnewcomb212
@jeffnewcomb212 3 жыл бұрын
Decided to redo the traxcavator I inherited with my ranch thanks to your series!
@cliffthelondoncabbie
@cliffthelondoncabbie 3 жыл бұрын
ive lost a few finger nails putting heavy starter motors in when i was a young strong kid in the 70s so felt for you, please keep it up as i enjoy your videos very much.
@markdauncey927
@markdauncey927 3 жыл бұрын
I'd watch the SUV repairs if you videotaped them.
@kevinmcmullan100
@kevinmcmullan100 3 жыл бұрын
"Every time I learn something new, it pushes old stuff out of my brain" Homer Simpson.
@suburban404
@suburban404 3 жыл бұрын
That's why octopuses can only learn 8 things. When they are taught #9, they forget #1.
@pmae9010
@pmae9010 3 жыл бұрын
wow, you have really weakened that nose cone, the make replacements that will do the job right out of the box, Try calling J&N electric they can help and they are near you. its not a n expensive part and you do not want that nose to fail when you are out in the sticks.
@ChainsawChuckSmallwood
@ChainsawChuckSmallwood 3 жыл бұрын
Yes too all :) and as for the size of the bonfire, yes. 4times the size, apple harvest party’s here in wv. Good ‘ol days! Love the content man.
@64marine
@64marine Жыл бұрын
Called the starter supplier guy; he appreciated your listing him.
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