SAM ASH is DONE. UPDATED VIDEO.

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[@time2drawtheline]

Pat!! Big salute to all of our store 33 staff! I miss those times. Great to see you’re doing well.

[@PatPosse]

My bro!!!!! Long time no see! How’s it been dude?? Great to hear from you! I miss them #33 days but I have kept in touch with most of my bros… you are one of the few that got away lol. I’ll look you up on IG to chat!

[@mc2mc277]

Pat….Really good video (this and mostly the firmer one) with marketing insight. I used to be the Editor of one on the major MI trade magazines for a decade, plus the TV guy during the same run fir NAMM-TV, back when we were the ONLY TV coverage at the trade shows. We’d fly in a whole TV production studio and shoot all day/edit all night, as each day’s show would run on the convention floor and all the hotels in town. Anyway…..SUCKS to see Sam Ash closing because I bought my first pro amp (a SUNN 2000S) used in the basement of Sam Ash in Hempstead, Long Island back when they only had three stores. I knew the Ashes and we even designed their print ads fir them, when I published another music magazine. And talk about bad timing…..I was just in the midst of selling off half my large vintage guitar collection to them, when they backed out and an announced they were closing. UGH!

[@PatPosse]

Thank you my bro!! And yeah, awful timing for you!! Must have been super cool to cover NAMM back then 😱!!

[@BigMuff75]

I am from Germany. Back in 1995 when I was in the US I bought a bass at Sam Ash, I liked the place.

[@PatPosse]

Nice! Which location?

[@UrsaJeager]

I work at Sweetwater, so uh...how do I convince them to buy out Sam Ash? At Sweetwater HQ in Fort Wayne, Indiana, there's a large and well-stocked store, sure, but there's WAY more here than just the store and the office space. The campus has a employee cafeteria that doubles as a public restaurant, a publicly rentable recording studio, a VERY active lesson studio, and a few performance spaces. The indoor area where you access most of this is literally called the Sweetwater Mall. This is the kind of musical community hub that I think there's a need for in a lot of places. Sweetwater's carved a niche for online and phone sales, but they are also doing Brick and Mortar at precisely one place, and they do it pretty damn well imo. If Sweetwater bought Sam Ash, couldn't they utilize those spaces to replicate what they do in Fort Wayne??

[@PatPosse]

That would be amazing!! I am yet to visit the facilities but I hear it’s a great hang and an amazing vibe…!

[@letsridehard]

Just got my dream Taylor guitar for 45% off Via their Sam Ash Reverb online store. After a few back and forth counter offers, they agreed to sell me a brand new 912ce Builders Edition, which retails for $5,999 fr almost half the price. It feels like I won the lottery! 😎🤟

[@PatPosse]

You did!!! 🤘🏻

[@strongbad666]

With everything 30% off in the store now, I was able to complete my jazz kit with Istanbul Mehmet cymbals straight from Turkey and Sonor matching hardware from Sam Ash. They did sell me a Sonor AQ2 last year with tons of extras for less than a grand and I was able to switch out all of the heads and make a really cool kit. I liked the sales guy because they were supposed to send me a $50 gift card via email, but they never sent it and the guy at the store was like, "You never got it? Damn well, just pick out $50 or so worth of stuff and I'll just credit it you for that." Great customer service there.

[@PatPosse]

Thats awesome! Sad to see them go but people are getting some sweet deals!!

[@strongbad666]

It sucks because I actually liked going to the drum shop one. I've bought about $450 worth of stuff including a beech snare, stands, the cool Tama metronome and drumheads and sticks. All that stuff bought on a non-failing day would have been around 1.2K. Guitar center is usually terrible for drum stuff now. GC doesn't have much of a future either.

[@PatPosse]

GC was never a good store for drums.... True.

[@strongbad666]

@@PatPosse It used to be much better for drums and differs VERY MUCH between stores now. The used section is pretty good, especially now. But that is where I bought my first Paiste Prototype 20" big bell ride (the one with the 8" inch bell) and 2002 lathing. It was sitting in the store for two months and finally I was like, "I'll buy it for $180 out the door." The sales guy was like, "Hey wait..." but the manager was like, "Nah dude, just sell him the cymbal, I don't want it sitting there any longer."

[@PatPosse]

Hahaha 😂 makes sense. Gotta move inventory and free up that budget!

[@bobkaufman9263]

I was not surprised that they ended up closing all the stores. I just thought it would take a little longer after closing the New York store. I bought at least four guitars at Sam Ash, including three Martin's I also purchased keyboards and a ton of sheet music. When they moved to 34th St. I thought the looking field of the New York store was more suburban. I thought it was some of its flare upset me. I thought the location was not good. I thought Guitar Center picked locations. I wish everyone good luck and the people that supported me at Sam💩 from the guitar area to the piano area I will miss you all

[@PatPosse]

I also thought they would at least try to turn it around. It seems like they could have just announced closing all stores last month and get it over with…

[@OblivionAviator]

Guitar Center will be next ...in the not very distant future.

[@PatPosse]

It sure seems like the logical future but I wouldn't be so sure...

[@marcelhenrici9113]

I hate to see a business fail. I am looking forward to the next video.

[@PatPosse]

You and I brother… hope the next one is a more positive one hahaha

[@kingvamp6664]

Worked for them for 3 months and it was the worst 3 months of my life. This company doesn’t give two shits about their workers. They have a horrible commission structure. They want you to push their shitty house brands when there are other brands drastically better and are what the costumer actually wants. Then some of the managers at these stores are some real pieces of art man. Good riddance. This is what happens when you can’t keep up to current trends and have poor management across the board. 🤷‍♂️

[@PatPosse]

The house brand and “ESP”s (Extended Service Program) push is definitely an annoyance and disservice to the company

[@kingvamp6664]

@@PatPosse The rule of thumb at the store I was at was for every thousand you sell to have an esp for that thousand. Then this company also invites consumers to haggle the sales people like it’s a Flea Market. It will have the price slapped on the item and people will want you to give em a deal. Then you gotta get a sales manager involved to look up how much the company paid for it. Then see how much they can take off so they still get a profit and hope you get an ESP with that sale. I unfortunately worked in 2021 with the supply chain issue. So we didn’t have much inventory at my store. Like people were coming in wanting to buy a full live sound set up and we didn’t have shit nor could we get it. So lots of money the company could’ve got and very little I potentially could have got.

[@PatPosse]

Man that sucks. I remember when they tried to implement that ESP per thousand bullshit at our store… we got away with not doing it cause most of our customers were from out of the country! They sure as hell weren’t paying extra to fly back and have their guitars set up lol.

[@kingvamp6664]

@@PatPosse That makes sense. I feel they didn’t really know their customers. Like they expected you to go above and beyond. Like customers on the phone have a priority over the ones in the store. I had very lack luster training. Man that program GERS was a nightmare. It was designed for a floor company and they took it. Very outdated, we were basically using an emulator of the program. It was compatible with internet explorer only. So idk what they did once they stopped updating that. They failed to get with the times. Sales shouldn’t be complicated an easier point of sales system like Targets would have been great for the workers. Hell I even worked at Sears and it was easier to place orders through their software.

[@kingvamp6664]

@@PatPosse Ya it was observed. I couldn’t stand using that dated POS software GERS. I never thought I’d be using F keys and boarder line coding. The program was designed for a flooring company and Sam Ash got it some how. It solely relies on internet explorer so idk what they did once that went away. We were basically using an emulation of GERS. Then the commission on used gear was a little bit more. So I’d try and sell the better condition used gear I could. I’d be fighting to find the good stuff to post on Reverb so I’d get a sale when I was off.