Samito is NOT Thankful for Widowmaker in Overwatch

[@de7791]

Just go dive? More like just go die! Am I right fellas!?

[@dan_da5213]

Hah..haha.....ha...

[@shady468]

I love watching Sam and Raider. Y'all speak with passion for the game and without filter. I love it.

[@davidzhou3923]

That’s what Overwatch needs.

[@slowcrafted5002]

We love a GSRaider rant

[@TooEpik]

Don't forget, back in 6v6 you had a second tank to not only mark the widow's angle, but also to potentially provide resources to contest her, or to even just contest her themselves. Now, if we want to deal with a widow, tanks have to sacrifice frontline in order to dive so it's a lose-lose situation. And if you don't send a tank, sending a squishy dps to mark the widow is WAYYYYYYY more challenging than sending a 500 hp off-tank.

[@RayBcv1030]

SHOUTOUTS TO MY GOAT GS RAIDER

[@prodigalsun1678]

Guys a moron! Probably worried people are gonna think hes gay if he plays anything slightly feminine lol

[@yourboy4025]

Goat fr

[@GetQuakedOn]

widow requires a lot of skill because you need aim bro

[@chelushila92]

Overwatch players when shooter requires aim:

[@GetQuakedOn]

@@chelushila92 more like call of duty players

[@waterrr6332]

​@@chelushila92Ability based shooter btw

[@piercenaughton5754]

Every hero requires aim, Doom,Genji and echo are like twice as hard to aim and get rewarded way less

[@moezfoez]

Me when I lie

[@gersoncelaya7574]

Every time people claim Widow isn’t a problem in Overwatch I just know their rank is everything below Diamond 😭😭

[@Ajaylix]

Honestly as a plat player, widow is still super dominant

[@inuyokai6798]

😢

[@BackLever22]

Depends what heroes you enjoy playing, to know how sufferable it will feel to play against her.

[@Zzzodiackillerrr]

As a DVA main shes really nice to play against

[@rizaadon]

There's something cognitively wrong with people who defend Widow. Even in metal ranks she's still a huge threat but for some reason they try to justify that it's okay because "it's a sniper, it should one-shot" or out of sheer ignorance saying "just go dive" as if that changes the fact that you're stuck playing wall-hugging simulator and Support can just easily peel for her.

[@holmesOwO]

At this point every hero in the game is suffering from 5v5 except for widow lol

[@plasmastormel5940]

If a hero is so strong that permanent invis is the only counter perhaps that hero should be reworked

[@hedgehugs]

gs raider is so fucking unhinged bro love his content 18:31 💀

[@wusaint]

I've said it so many times, Widow commands more space than any other hero in the game. Period. Full stop. No other argument. Anyone who says otherwise has never had a game out of metal ranks. The mere threat of the one shot confines you to a tiny sliver of map to work with. In a game that ultimately comes down to taking space it's pretty obvious to see that she claims the most of any hero.

[@glurak]

A sniper with better mobility than a lot of the other dps is criminal. That is flawed design by default. Shame on you blizzard

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

Honestly just replace the grapple with something else.

[@ciach0_]

@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 or make it have a very slow charge up time before grappling

[@dmajorray6154]

At least in 5v5. She'd probably be "better" in 6v6.

[@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862]

@@dmajorray6154 actually, no. Shes worse because in 6v6 characters like ball, dva, and winston can actually dive her while the second tank helps defend the team.

[@dmajorray6154]

@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 by better I mean better to deal with

[@burtonthegrape9217]

Riviting Widow gameplay: stand at the other side of map, click and believe you're a grandmaster

[@doyouremebervodka9387]

And then talk trash on anyone who tried to focus you.

[@see2remember]

They could honestly leave widow without her smg ... that would make getting closer to her more of a weakness then ever ... give her more scope time and i think its more balanced already

[@fateofsouls214]

Her SMG is basically non existent considering how effective it is.

[@benpdr10]

@@fateofsouls214Yup

[@fractalelf7760]

@@fateofsouls214It’s actually decent…

[@jonaswest6993]

Yeah I've seen both supports jump a widow so she just sprayed and prayed and got them both

[@SoloCap-Music]

18:32 "all your teammates are cosplaying as JFK" LMAO

[@sycom-]

There’s a simple way widow can be indirectly addressed to some extent, it’s called adding a second tank in the game, and reverting the season 9 changes. Oh wait this also addresses every other flaw this game has?? No way that’s not possible, overwatch 2 at its core is a well balanced game I thought. With 1 mega tank and overtuned supports, the game can’t have major weak points like widowmaker coming from a different format and joining a game where there’s less shields and less dive potential. With far more sustain than ever before. And even more maps with incontestable lines of sight.

[@illitaret8780]

Nah widow was annoying in 6v6 when she was meta, as a support you just have to hide ur head when she is meta.

[@ni9274]

You people really are unserious, the idea that 6v6 fix all problems with the games is just completely ridiculous, I wonder if you have played OW1 cause people were complaining so much about everything back then, as much as people are complaining now. Ow1 at his core isn’t a well balanced game. Overtuned supports come from OW1 not OW2, OW2 supports are actually less « overtuned » than the OW1 one. I don’t see how the mega tank has anything to do with widow. Ow1 having more shields doesn’t really matter when it comes to widowmaker, you could even argue that shield help her since she can one shot. Ow2 doesn’t really have less dive potential, dive is still really strong and viable against widow. Ow2 maps are actually worst for widow than OW1 maps

[@sycom-]

@@ni9274 I did play ow1, I started 3 seasons before they released ow2. And I never complained once about anything, I started in silver, worked my way up to masters within those seasons and I loved it, even graveyard season of ow1 was tons of fun for me. But when ow2 came out, I just felt helpless, supports were so busted because guess what, the healing passive was a ow2 change. Back then at least when you got someone to 1 hp, especially a support, they were usually forced to use cooldowns on themselves or get help from their other support. Making every exchange and any small bits of damage way more valuable. ow1 at its core is a balanced format, but the format can only take you so far in balancing heros because that’s on the hero designers to make fun but fair supports, they just had poor hero designers forcing the game into a healbot simulator. Which is not the fault of the format. Ow2 is a flawed format because with less players and post season 9 changes which were a direct result of the solo tank being “too squishy” by themselves. The supports could focus 100% of their resources into characters like widow, whereas in ow1 widowmakers rarely had the “luxury” of getting peeled by supports, meaning dive was indirectly stronger. And you realize that the maps quite literally have to be better for widow in ow2 in this current state in order for the entirety of top 500 to have a widow being played consistently as a top 3 time played hero. Maybe I’m forgetting something but I never knew circuit royale was an ow1 map? it doesn’t even matter what map you play on, widow is just broken, with the only exception being a few koth points on specific maps, which is barely any compared to the map pool. While shields in ow1 didn’t prevent widow from being good, there was usually at least 1 shield character per team sometimes even 2, which blocked a good portion of the widows line of sight, which if there was any shield uptime, the widow was basically cosmetic for the duration, and in ow2, there are many, many, many games where there are literally no shields giving her full access to the enemy at all times forcing players to play behind walls and in a generally more unfavourable position than normal in order to avoid getting picked by widow. Widow has been 100x more oppressive in ow2 than she was in ow1, and there’s years of proof to prove it. And like I said to begin my original argument, this addresses her to “some extent” not fully nullifying her strength. But definitely bringing it back to a more reasonable spot

[@frantichornet0077]

@@ni9274overwatch is more balanced at its core. 2 tanks, 2 dps, and 2 supports, that’s quite literally an even balance in rolls. And supports are much stronger in over watch 2, not sure what you’re talking about.

[@Josh-yd2qv]

I love you

[@cultovcrows8142]

I don't get why people say widow is less prevalent/oppressive in lower ranks. It really isn't hard for a widow to have value in those ranks, they can still hit their shots in plat and even if they aren't they passively deny space just by existing and taking a sightline. If anything she's worse because plat players don't know how to avoid a widow.

[@lev1eye]

I honestly thought Widowmaker’s issue was that she was so forgiving when she misses a shot, she could immediately push out another. So one thing I would probably do is similar to fortnite, buff her ammo to 40, but when she uses a sniper shot, it uses all ammo so she has to reload again, that way there is an open window for some dive heroes to make distance while she is reloading.

[@kosmosfan01]

It's crazy when people playing Widow act like you're the bad guy for focusing on them and forcing them to swap. We're trying to play the game here without you basically playing server admin. Thank you. If a character has been a consistent problem in all ranks and game modes for months, it should have been addressed ages ago but the bias is crazy when you see the devs taking care of so many other one-shots except Widow's.

[@Rinkha_MR]

A fix I’d suggest is adding like 2 seconds to the charge time, as well as whole lazer/muzzle flash to let u know where she’s aiming/where she is/how much charge she has. Eliminate the ability to charge/ads while jumping. Either that, or do what they’re doing with Hawkeye. Where u need to have ur crosshair on the target for like a second or two til u get to full charge. And nerf her hp to 100. U can’t have that one shot potential while being halfway across the map and having an easy escape ability. Cuz widow NEEDS to get addressed. It’s hella oppressive. U can’t delete every one shot but keep hers. That’s not how this works.

[@TruthJX]

Give her a big ass sniper glint so people at least can see and react to the threat of being one shot more quickly. I know they probably won't ever remove the one shot from their darling, and it is what it is, but give her a glint and maybe even make her shots take longer to charge or her ADS time longer, just something PLEASE.

[@Satoru_Akefu_HeadDoctor]

Make her ads have a laser pointer so you see where shes aiming and remover grappling hook (a hero with oneshot shouldnt have that kinda mobility)

[@extramentos6448]

widow players all have 30%+ crit each shot being hitscan, across the map, and dealing 300 damage, while the top 1% hanzo's have around 14-15% max, each dealing 250 damage guess which hero got nerfed over 10 times in the span of 2 years

[@alessiofe]

it's because spamzo il lame af, you just spam corners and get positive k/d

[@cantbelieve5231]

So just like Widow who has a quicker draw time.

[@the_andrii]

@@alessiofe I spam corners on every hero though, because I can hide if I took damage. So kinda game design problem

[@alessiofe]

@@the_andrii you can hide what, hanzo 1 shots half the roster and his arrows are still trunks

[@LordTrung]

@@alessiofe Hanzo's arrow used to be one of the smallest projectiles in the game for 6 years, and ever since he got his 1-shot back in ss12, his arrow is officially the smallest projectile in the game

[@Switch_X_Back3884]

I've just stepped out of spawn one time. Got instantly sniped. One game every death I had. Was from her. And all you do is hear the bullet sound after the bullet went thru

[@bobjoe7140]

This isnt even a high rank problem anymore. I play in casual with my bronze friend and every game is either widow or ash. Ive stopped playing comp at this point is so boring. Last rank was diamond something, cant care to remember or Check Snipers in this game

[@lesliejacoby9137]

I just want to remind everyone the perfect widowmaker rework was suggested in April fools and we let Blizzard get away with not implementing it. Widowmakers character fantasy should be long ranged sniper. Nothing with that means you have to be one tapping or using 50 bmg rounds. The "widows kiss" being the killing blow allowed for counterplay.

[@MrBreakdownx]

I still remember the slap in the face that was when they made immortality field damage reduction and it worked fine.

[@fateofsouls214]

only that being a Sniper usually means killing with shot bullet. In IRL snipers only have one shot and that is Widows profession. Being a highly effective weapon. (be lucky she doe not use a 50cal which is classified as a Antimaterial Rifle.)

[@lesliejacoby9137]

@@fateofsouls214 widow killing with 1 shot still happens, it's just you don't immediately die. That isn't breaking the fun that is gained from playing widow just making it where people can do more than watch their death replay and move on as how to deal with her hitting shots.

[@ghoulbuster1]

It's funny that blizzard had the solution RIGHT THERE and proceeds to forget about it.

[@fateofsouls214]

@@lesliejacoby9137 It did not work / showed the flaws of it. 1. it need to be long enough for supports to react 2. it needs to be short enough a second shot is not faster to kill. both exclude each other. and no, killing with a DOT is not as fun as direct feedback

[@BatzArk]

Dude tryna put Widow in a wheelchair

[@NatDaHomie]

Easily to stop widow make her like the Overwatch retribution if you are hard scoping you are showing a laser long distance and add longer scope charge time and if she is taking certain amount of damage her grapple breaks.

[@Stiffmiester979]

The biggest diff I saw in OG OW vs Modern was people died all the time. There weren't so many get out of jail free cards so when you made a mistake you FELT THAT and it was all on your positioning or the decision you made. Nobody else to blame because they didn't throw immortality/suzu/life grip etc. The game feels a ton better without all the cheese and insta saves.

[@dukeyxxyz]

I'll always maintain that if they changed Sombra because shes invisible and you get killed out of nowhere they should change widow as well because shes essentially the same problem at a long range. Obviously they are completely different playstyles overall, but widow can hide halfway behind cover a mile behind her team and still get kills without any warning. I dont think they should remove the one-shot necessarily, but if they keep it it should have some sort of telegraph so that you have at least a chance of spotting her. I do like the idea of making you hold down your left click with it being on a short timer once it charges fully so that you cant hold it forever. I also wouldnt mind having something like a laser or scope glint to help at least point out where shes aiming from because sometimes amidst all the chaos its hard to spot her. Maybe do something where when she charges the shot fully the scope glints if you're in line of sight of her.

[@sycom-]

About the grapple nerfing, I don’t think they should remove it, just like make it slow asf with a shorter range. Still let her get to high ground but she’s exposed for a few seconds while using grapple where she can’t shoot back and is also moving in a straight line for easy tracking when she’s out of position.

[@vinitchauhan2928]

Yea I've been saying the same thing. Switch venom mine and grapple cool downs. Then nerf her grapple speed and length. That will instantly make her mobility much worse so she can't do stupid shit like jump shotting when the enemy team is running full dive so she will be exploitable.

[@joto5459]

Why not have her charge meter be tied to how long you hold her trigger down? That way you can still do quick shots, but they're lower in damage, rewarding holding down your trigger, and having the shot release upon reaching 100%?

[@sixsam6766]

9:15 Sam good at math since correct math is 21.78%

[@StoicScape219]

They dont nerf widow because she’s very persuasive 🍑 they refuse to nerf any e-girl or simp character favorite

[@pedrogiraldo4367]

Overwatch should implement hero bans from diamond to top 500. Widow is super overpowered in high ranks but not so much in lower ranks, if you nerf her you would be killing her for lower rank players who are still part of the community and deserve to be able to play their hero. Not everything should be based on how super high rank players feel.

[@Shogattsu]

Realistically they just need to nerf the grapple hook if they aren't going to nerf her hp. Her entire kit is 1 shot so you NEED to keep that in the kit or else you would rather play literally anything else. Another issue is that terrible map design enabled widow (like circuit royale, havana, even midtown). The game is designed for you to be a flexible player but we all know that people just wanna play two or three heroes max per role so if you can't play the funny widow hero on the widow map hopefully you know how to play hanzo or something else to deny her. A lot of the cast hasn't really been scaled correctly to the current state of OW2. Widow is the prime example of what happens when you do not adapt your old heroes to a new format (6v6 to 5v5). As Sam states the value of a kill skyrockets in OW2 due to 5v5 making solo kills way more impactful meaning a hero that literally is hitscan and one shots should be scaled as well.

[@okinog1105]

Leave it to the Lucio Mafia

[@Ajaylix]

I also wonder if Window's grappling hook, being a part of many cinimatics with her, is considered her identity as well. I'd imagine they would not get rid of that. But also, i feel like the reason why widow didnt get nerfed is because nobody knows how to nerf her and the outcry that sniper hitscan heroes dont belong in overwatch

[@vinitchauhan2928]

They can nerf her grapple hard though. 15 sec cool down minimum and slower with less range.

[@MiamiVice1980s]

Hell yeah GS Raider appears on another Samito video

[@muffin2221]

I remember holding a qp match hostage just cuz I picked widow. I suck ASS at widow. The threat was alone was enough to throw them off

[@starsiren9592]

Then your enemy team was garbage. Because Widow is super easy to counter with Sombra, Genji, Doom, Winston or Lucio. Even Moira destroys Widow if she can get close to her.

[@dawrogger9616]

@@starsiren9592 get a brain plz

[@dawrogger9616]

@@starsiren9592 also get out of rock 5

[@AskMoonBurst]

I find that the enemy having a widow at all, even if they aren't killing me gives the enemy an edge. Just their EXISTING forces me to play wildly differently than I would otherwise. Like, if I wanted to play Roadhog, but the enemy has an Ana. Just knowing that they can anti me and I'd instantly die, I have to change who and how I play. Widow is the same way that just by having the character on the map changes where I can hold from or how I can approach and who I can play.

[@stevenrostek2788]

Anti is counterable, the only counter to widow is to leave the game lol

[@AskMoonBurst]

@@stevenrostek2788 Not the point. The point I'm making is that when someone on the enemy team has an option that instantly kills you or makes you feed. Anti-Heal on Roadhog makes him just feed on every encounter. And Widow existing forces you to play wildly different.

[@stevenrostek2788]

@@AskMoonBurst Yes, and I’m saying that the point you made doesn’t do the comparison justice in any meaningful way, I play tank at the highest level (currently GM2) on xbox, and I’m telling you from personal experience that at no point does Ana force me to die unless I have overextended in some way or we are getting absolutely rolled to the degree it probably wouldn’t have saved me even if we HAD a kiri or bap. Widow can oneshot roughly every 2 seconds with absolutely no chance to fight her at her range. I can hook and kill Ana, I can get cleanse, I can just walk behind a wall, I can get value while purple. I can’t even take a step out of a corner if a widow is holding my angle lol

[@AskMoonBurst]

@@stevenrostek2788 Widow is definitely more like that in the higher tier. For hog, in low diamond where I am, I'm not regularly having Kiriko to cleanse, and Ana can make it super difficult at best. Definitely a gap between tiers. Not to say it can't be done better, but you know what I mean. Widow is super feast or famine depending on if they do hit, but in a way that there's so little the other player can do except 'hope Widow messes up.'

[@havoc6800]

So they'll nerf doom and hog one shots which are obvious to see coming but not widow. Classic blizzard

[@starsiren9592]

Doom and Hog have gigantic health pools and are nearly impossible to kill while Widow is super squishy. OW1 Doom could one shot and was super annoying but could be killed by Widow, so the fight was fair and could go either way. OW2 Doom will destroy Widow each and every single time in 1 vs 1. There is literally nothing Widow can do to beat OW2 Doom. He has all the advantages.

[@MagicOW2]

I’ll die on this hill. Just give widow reverse fall off damage. Or take away grapple. Problem solved.

[@GamewizDeluxe]

All I can say is thank God for brig, cuz if my tank dives dps, it's suddenly MY job to combat the enemy tank 😂

[@nibiruisnear3963]

sometimes it’s six shots one kill

[@NeutronStar792]

You can’t take into consideration those single cases. If someone plays without hands then yes, but i assure you, from diamond and above every widow is one tapping…sometimes even in plat if you get smurfs or otps

[@nibiruisnear3963]

@@NeutronStar792what a bore

[@jakobw5703]

Same here

[@ronbarter2381]

@@NeutronStar792 less body damage than macree....and no every widow isnt one tapping youll eat this mans di5k too much

[@thegod1067]

I actually thought I was going insane like it gave me a headache to the point where I had to actually take a lot of time off from this game. I couldn’t understand why I just always got put in teams that wouldn’t go for the widow and the widow, which just sit there and dominate the whole game and I would lose game after a game. I’m a support main by the way. I’ve said I’m not coming back until they fix Widowmaker if they never fix it I guess I’ll never be back.

[@DJFlare84]

Visible line of sight is actually a neat idea. Being able to see the sniper line. Maybe also have it so that the accuracy starts out jittery and random at first and takes a second to stabilize.

[@joelouise2009]

I’d like the visible sight lines maybe after the first shot but she supposed to be a master assassin with some enhancements her aim would never be jittery

[@lordbored7006]

@@joelouise2009 they could go the half measure. Only once she reaches 50% charge the sniper sight becomes fully visible. This will give the other team a split second to react and gauge her position but also allow for sneaky pre-shots to setup for a kill

[@niallmoseley6760]

Ive always thought , like how sombra hack is interupted by taking damage, widows grapple should also be interupted by taking damage. So she can still position her self, but cant just grapple out of a dive to a high ground in narnia , and just carry on oneshotting like nothing even happened

[@DJFlare84]

The only reason I don't agree with removing her grapple is because it's part of her lore. Widowmaker is Widowmaker because she's a sniper with a grappling hook. That's her character. You can nerf how it operates but you can't get rid of it. Just like you can't get rid of Pharah being able to fly. It's just something they have to work around.

[@spence6195]

I have never played another FPS where the sniper is as overpowered as Widowmaker. I'm moving on to Marvel Rivals, so idc if Overwatch 2 stays bad, Blizzard is dead

[@BoiSoi313]

The characters that are fundementally flawed design: widow, sombra, dig dig guess the gender, soujurn 67, kirikowo, baptism, illari from peru?, sigma, orisa, mawga getting backshots from bap in the lore.

[@Komonolo]

12:30 For genji to counter widow you have to literally hit every dash right click melee or you are dead. You miss once, shes grappled away, immoed, suzued and every other cd you can think of.

[@Musoko7]

Anytime I get Rialto or Circuit, I pretty much just leave at this point.

[@mop-kun2381]

idk about the laser thing, kinda mess with the thematic of a sniper, being stealthy assassins and all but Increase her reload time Increase sniper full charge time 175hp decrease grappler range so it's effective as a positioning tool, but not as a repositioning/escaping tool. Or giving it a couple of seconds long cast time. idk compensate by give her venom mine 2 charges and she can see the poisoned target through wall.

[@starsiren9592]

Widow is SUPER loud when she runs. You can hear her heels from across the map and can tell where she is just by the sound of that. Even when she sneaks around her heels make so much noise that crouching is useless for her. Characters like Zen or Sigma that float and make no noise when they move can sneak around much better than a loud Widow.

[@KalleZz_]

Widow counter = widow, and then the game becomes a reaction time test simulator

[@starsiren9592]

Widow can be easily countered by Sombra, Genji, Doomfist, Wrecking Ball, Winston, Lucio and Moira. Every single one of those characters absolutely wrecks Widow if they can get close to her, which isn't hard because they can move so fast. Even a Reaper can just teleport close to her if she is playing away from her team and kill her.

[@notmyname1038]

5:00 it was obvious widow would become meta . But i i said i wanted to see it happen. Because its going to take a damn widow meta for them to finally fix her

[@elnietodelmichoacano5153]

People clowned on Chipsa way back in 2018 when he was talking about how broken widow is as a hero.

[@jaredalessandro3561]

A lot of tf2 custom servers make sniper have a red dot to show where he’s aiming, and a lens flare on the scope that you can see far away

[@ryleytls4950]

Anyone waiting to see samitos reaction to black widow being introduced to marvel rivals literally a better widow…… im so mad rn

[@biosyn-ab4261]

Came back just to play classic overwatch and every single game there's a widow on either/both teams.

[@mrsplicer7343]

She doesn’t zoom out even if she gets damaged or pushed except for rein charges, you can rush a widow with a brig dash and hit and she’ll still be zoomed in leading to a insta death

[@kenzagi1258]

When widow zooms in scope, she gets highlighted like Sonar for the other team to see.

[@ash_yt0]

All OW maps are just elaborate corridors. Everyone already knows where the Widowmaker is. The issue is that you can't get to her even if you know where she is, and it's lame to play hide and seek due to one hero having a cross-map insta-kill ability.

[@solairedude7119]

24:40 Real. I can't tell people to swap anymore because they'll just argue with me and then I get reported for "flaming"

[@ash_yt0]

My suggestion for Widow is... change her Mine from Venom Mine to Infra-Web device (give it a better name than that though.) It works almost like an Illari turret that gives off Sonic Arrow pulses (but only Widow sees the wall-hacked silhouettes.) Then have Widow do 1.5x damage to wall-hacked enemies (I'll elaborate on nerfs to her base damage later.) Widow can then place these anywhere she likes. Any enemies within range of one, and in LoS, gets wall-hacked (only visible to Widowmaker, and UI confirmation to the enemy that they're sighted.) If the enemy manages to get out of range/LoS, after 3 or 4 seconds, their wall-hack will wear off. The device is very resilient (think Illari turret) so it's not an insignificant time investment to take one out if there are more pressing issues. Widow can insta-pop anyone who is wall-hacked by her device, but it has limited range and can be destroyed (so she can't dominate the entire space by just existing.) For other targets, it requires extra steps... Her base damage is nerfed from 12 to 8 (so 200 damage headshots rather than 300... but with the 1.5x on wall-hacked targets, she goes back to 300 damage on those targets.) To throw her a bone and appease Widow mains with a one-shot capability... her Venom DoT is moved from Venom Mine, to her charged sniper shots, which will now apply Venom at 80 damage, over 4 seconds, increasing in damage each second. The idea being that she can headshot squishies from 225 up to 275 HP, but they take between 2-4 seconds to drop... after being hit. So you at least get a chance to cleanse / heal the DoT. So if Widow's web turret is down, she will be able to get picks, but she'll have to pick out isolated targets who have used their cooldowns already etc. if they want to one-shot someone. This should also buff Widow in low ranks where she's a throw pick, since bad players will not save their cooldowns to cleanse the venom etc. SUMMARY: Widow gets weaker headshots, with a DoT effect which can either finish them off with poison, or be cleansed to save them from the headshot. But Widow also has the tools available to set up a "web" which catches targets in it, to instantly headshot any opponents in that zone. So she can only insta-kill targets in her "web"... anyone outside of that, she has to combo-kill them with a Headshot + Venom DoT. Obviously when she activates her Ultimate, she can insta-headshot anyone since they count as wall-hacked enemies even if not hacked by her new web device. If she's made super weak by this... give her lower Grapple Hook cooldown to let Widows have fun doing trickshots more often, maybe boost her ultimate charge rate too so she can insta-kill more often. With the venom DoT her body shots would be stronger with this change too which might give her more value especially in lower ranks, and you could buff or nerf the range of her web turret, as well as its HP to get her to a good level of viability.

7:06 truth, that's the fix right there. Sometimes I make it to Widow on Lucio and that's the only thing that saves her, instant get out of jail free card.

[@natekralman4675]

They didn’t rework the maps for any other hero besides widow and arguably Ashe. Every other hero will somewhat use the sight line changes but there’s only one hero that was actually killing people from across the map with those sight lines.

[@gignation8551]

got a marvel rivals ad right after the vid, its like they know XD

[@Inf4mousKidGames]

as a new player who just started at the end of October and also as a game design student. easiest fix for widow is just nerf her charge shot speed. don't nerf it too hard cause you don't need her waiting a thousand years to shoot but just enough that she's doing: *shot* *shot* *shot* instead of *shot* *shot* *shot*

[@uyeah1234]

Make widow lose charge when hard scoping after one second. Reduce max charged shots damage by 20. Reduce her critical multpiler by 25%. Let her venomon be on a shorter cooldown and when it explodes it leaves a smoke cloud that damage enemimes and obscures vision. However widow can activate the mine in mid air as a smoke bomb escape or dot damage to disrupt a team. Also she sees through the smoke on her scope. Aimming down sights lets her jump and move 30% faster. Reduce her ammo count so that she takes 2 less charged shots to reload however make her smg do 1 more damage with a much tighter spread. Add a call of duty like shine effect when she is scoping so anyone can see from any distance if she is hard scoping from afar.

[@pilegrin]

If grapple on widow is reasonable thing to have on her, give ana grapple as well. Because both characters have equal amount of pressure, but widow can escape for some reason

[@ToddyBaconJr]

I saw a good video by Zanbot about widow, I think adding one of his suggestions would better then just removing her grapple or something. I liked the idea of forcing her to fire after two seconds like every other charged shot (sym, zen, etc) that way she can't hold an angle forever

[@plurrberry7189]

@samito you are completely wrong genji can counter window if you buff him. dash now travels 60 meters lol

[@stargateheaven23]

What do you think if we made her charge has to be 100% to shoot? OR the charge goes back down after holding longer than 3 seconds.

[@GamewizDeluxe]

33:05 THIS OMG well put

[@myeruow7988]

Just whipped out my phone in the middle of Thanksgiving prayer to watch this new Pawgmito upload 😁

[@Jacob-jg6cd]

It’s so annoying playing Tank and watching my backline get insta-killed out of spawn by a Widow. I end up having to sit behind cover and wait for my teammates to respawn before starting a proper team fight.

[@the_andrii]

Maybe instead of her charging in the scope mode you can make her earn a charged shot by hitting targets like 2 headshots giving a charged shot that can actually one shot, or 3 body shots to charge the scope.

[@skrrrtsusman3450]

widow at 25hp sounds good to me

[@sonic3000010]

What if genji doesn't take increased dmg from headshots and instead has headshot resistance so headshots do like 10% less than body shots. Also change widow's grapple so she can't use it if an enemy is too close to her and if she gets hit when using it, it breaks and goes onto a 2-3x as long cooldown?

[@musicxxa6678]

these devs arent competent enough for rework. they would make it much worse. just cutting 25hp from her pool should be sufficient. slight range nerf if needed.

[@transcendtient]

Sounds like you just want them to put a lazer on her gun.

[@Anonymous-rc7kq]

That would be nice

[@WintonPeanutButter]

This would help alot honestly

[@prodigalsun1678]

Please for the love of god put a laser or glint on her gun

[@XxVirginBabyxX]

I don't see anything wrong with that, tbh.

[@waterrr6332]

Scope sway, Flinch when shot, scope glint, a laser, slower ads speed, a slower grapple speed and 175 hp are all decent things that they could do

[@Voffsing1]

Super happy you made this video. I've always despised snipers in FPS game, and Widow is no exception. Completely atrocious game design to add a hero that can safely one shot people from a distance.

[@sir_gort]

Halo 4 had a solution for this with the Binary Rifle. The gun becomes a big ass laser pointer when scoped in.

[@Voodoo_Occasions]

That shit one shotted to the body 💀

[@You-g8g6i]

The 3 heroes I cannot stand playing against are widow , doom, sombra

[@richman360]

I always respect peoples ability to click heads but also realize its not so difficult when you cant be contested

[@clinteastwood14896]

In OW1 we used to say that there were two heroes that change how the game is played, and they were Widow and Mei. If you were playing against either of them, it fundamentally changed the way you had to play. Mei walling off a tank is nowhere near as good anymore, and the tank has more health anyway, plus there are more life-saving abilities. But Widow is still the same. In fact, she's been even better since season 9. Something needs to be done to her.

[@crystaleater2581]

Sometimes i actually wonder if its better to just stay at a lower rank because genuinely even qp feels like ranked lite because everyone is just playing widow.

[@L0NELYTILGONE]

If they removed Widow and Sombra I’d be pretty happy

[@Zhaelph]

in tf2 the sniper has a laser tag wherever he is aiming, we need some sort of visual indicator that she is hard scoping.

[@fateofsouls214]

only that he can Quickscope OHK at 0% most Characters and at 100% he can Oneshot even a Heavy with a headshot and most other are a Bodyoneshot. So, He is considerably more powerful and lethal then Widow is.

[@sleepyrosalia7816]

Worst part about the “dive the widow” IS HOW??? They’re usually 2 movement abilities away in butt fuck nowhere, and they can grapple away by the time you get to them, all while having the ability to send you to see god. With Hanzo there’s some time to react to his arrows, you can see him charging them AND you see when they fire. Widow has none of these issues because she’s a hitscan and instantly knocks you on your ass with a click of a button. She has too much movement with no restriction on where she can use said movement. She can be above you, behind you, to your side, who knows until she fires that god damn 1-Tap make the game unfun for everyone button. It’s stupid. And this is coming from a sniper player in FPS games, it’s too much. I don’t like Widow to play with, as, or against. She sucks the fun out of the game when you have to play peekaboo, nightmare difficulty. This is also IN EVERY RANK 😀 NO ONE IS SAFE. GET RID OF THIS STANK SNIPER CHARACTER I BEG-

[@catalyst2155]

Widowmaker being dominant is the symptom of 5vs5 OW where you no longer have 2 tanks that can shut down her angles and dive her successfully, hence why she feels more oppressive to play against. Especially considering the maps are now much wider and there's one less tank on the team that can nullify her. Widowmaker is broken in the current state of the game, HOWEVER she's not broken in 6vs6, the difficulty of successfully getting picks without being contested goes up drastically. Either they need to tune her down relative to 5vs5 state or bring back 6vs6 which fixes the problem in itself. I say this as a widow main.

[@rage_tv4493]

hotfix nerf ideas before they rework her. - 175 hp - longer time to charge for a headshot - nerf grapple cooldown possibly - ult should tell the enemies “REVEALED” during the entire duration. -scope speed slower. all of these would work amazingly

[@vinitchauhan2928]

Give her scope glare or a laser.

[@GamingLovesJohn]

Addendum 150hp, if she can do lethal one shots, she should receive lethal like getting one shot by others.

[@rage_tv4493]

@ i mean 175 is pretty low

[@hobonolen]

I remember when ball was released I could actually dive any character in the game and feel like I either wasted all of their cooldowns or got an easy pick and distracted, now as ball I can straight up spray a whole clip , pile drive them boop them and they are full health…. I blame the healers that are able to help widow just as much as shes crazy , in ow classic , I feel I can kill widow on genji tracer or even winston

[@hobonolen]

You would think widow was a tank the way she commands space on some maps

[@Ddelsol47]

9:10 60% of shots a widow hits, 30% of those are critical... 30% of 60 = 60% of 30 = 18%. Rougly 1 out of every 5 shots the widow takes, the entire fight fucking ends (cause one kill in higher ranks is usually enough to end the fight without spending ults in extremely precise situations). If we;re talking a goat scoped widow, like 70-75%, that's 1 out of every 4 fights.

[@ansgargranerd1458]

give widow a laser where she looks like sniper in tf2

[@dreading_dreams7093]

A fix I think would work is giving her scope a glint, and players that she is scoped on get basically recon from Cod ( hud edge indicator)

[@dustinbiester4401]

Her smg, wall hack, and grappling hook should all be part of her ult. Without her ult, she's just a squishy sniper with not many means to defend herself.

[@1v1mewtwo77]

See thats the one thing that makes rivals better than OW2 rn their own sniper doesn't one shot headshot even though it showed on the trailer Black Widow just doesn't one shot like that if anything it encourages them to go close range.

[@vigour6786]

Can someone let me know if they have ever changed the time it takes from charging 0-100 in previous patches? As a character who's play style is sitting on the backline picking off targets I don’t think her fully charge time should be as fast as it is, it then creates a chance for her to even beat out other dps when they should be winning unclose because of the fast charge rate.

[@devonnotz9898]

Why not make her bullets poison. Deal 125 headshot and 75 poison tick