Sample Test - Denon PMA 1700NE - Digital Coax vs Analog input

[@shaunyweaver1144]

There is just something in the Denon sound, that stops you been critical and lets you enjoy the music . That gets my money everyday of the week .

[@svenneskovic1553]

Buy this one Is my dream come true

[@jmtennapel]

That's a very capable integrated. Clear upgrade path too: start with its internal DAC and add a better external DAC later. In the Jacques Loussier track the difference is very prominent, but for the price of that amplifier, I am hearing great value for money. You won't regret picking this one, add a pair of nice speakers and you'd be dancing around your room to the music :)

[@theflyingdutchman7127]

Die Denon doet het over de hele linie meer dan prima .👍

[@williammiebach1798]

Second listen, the outboard DA does have more air and depth, along with a tiny bit more refined texture. The onboard seperates out certain musical elemrents a drop more. Surprisingly close.

[@Dr.Ignazio]

My question is… the sound clearance it’s more or less the same of his big brother pma 110?? Because the specs are almost the same. Facing digital vs analog it’s no doubt. Always analógic sound it’s better. Warm and powerful. Not such as metallic!! Thanks for your video!

[@DougMen1]

To my ears, the analog input has more air on top, resulting in a more three dimensional image, which becomes a little flatter and less holographic with the digital input. It isn't a huge difference, but ti is noticeable. I'm sorry to say this again, and I promise it will be the last time, but I miss the livelier and more dynamic sound of the Focal Sopra 1.

[@TheAlphaAudio]

That's spot on!

[@rosenlazarov]

Missing those dynamics from the Sopra 1 too!

[@34332]

Nothing to add! 😄

[@Kibwunga]

I have the 1600. This looks like an upgrade but not enough for me to move. Just a solid old school amp design, and a beautiful build. It's driving my UB52's and with a Relatively T5 sub, makes a nice system.

[@markconnelly9940]

If I had a choice (I did) I would choose the 1700. If I already owned the 1600, I certainly would not "upgrade" to the 1700 unless you knew the 1600 could be sold to help recoup the cost of the 1700.

[@Kibwunga]

@@markconnelly9940 yeah I’m staying with my 1600.

[@maslan001]

Sounds both very good, also very good recorded btw, i slightly prefered denon's dac , i used to own a denon dnp-730 media streamer and was very pleased with the sound of it's internal dac. Made even low bitrate internet radio sounded good and enjoyable. Am already curious for the review 👍🙂

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Thanks!

[@filipviljamaasvensson]

How many hours do you have on the 1700NE and it built in DAC so far? Asking because the amp is just released and it takes quite a while for the DAC to get burned in. I have about 155 hours on mine and it is still evolving. Great amp! :)

[@TheAlphaAudio]

We have press samples. They are burned in before shipping. I has also played for at least a week - i think - before we sat down for the review.

[@filipviljamaasvensson]

@@TheAlphaAudio Thanx for the reply! I see, excellent. I have always wondered about this.

[@iettord3124]

On electronics I have seen figures around 500 hrs! of brake in. Don't know about 1700NE or the inbuilt dac. Have a Denon PMA-2000r - o baby! the flow, tonality and current is punching way over it's price. Not the best in blackness background or sound stage but The Musicality is really good.

[@billparr]

That analog input sounds really good. More presence in the middle of the room with some weight that ankers my ears

[@hotareanupaul85]

The 1700NE is a budget amp compared to Pass. But Denon is a big, very capable company. For example i have rarely seen SX1 Limited inside construction quality, in fact you might have to look a lot in more expensive gear to find it, "if".... you find it. When Classe moved to D&M factory they said their previous location didn't have the state of the art development equipment that Denon is having in D&M factory. In fact, if the wish would exist, Denon could build world class beating electronics of all sorts. In my opinion SX1 Limited is world class !

[@ChaiBearProductions]

They should bring the SX11 and SX1L to North America. It would sell well I believe. Highest you can get here is PMA A110.

[@LimePieMusic]

2000 $ it's budget?

[@hotareanupaul85]

@@LimePieMusic 2k is not budget of course, but compared to Pass price it seems a bit as a budget amp.

[@82ivaylo]

Pass Labs is high end company, but they also don"t have the state of the art development as Denon and Marantz factory in Shirakawa Japan.

[@82ivaylo]

When you compare Nelson Pass listening room to D&M listening room, there is again MUCH difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ-Wi32kr9Rkqrs

[@kononovsp]

Tell me please, this amplifier will cope well with my acoustics Polk Audio R600 or would it be better to choose a more powerful amplifier? Room 20 sq.m.

[@TheAlphaAudio]

It will do fine.

[@tommy-be-good6580]

Wonderful sounds coming out of this heavenly speakers. ;). Especially the last song from Steven Wilson. Absolute goosebumps. (thumbs up).

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Thanks man! Steven is idd Koning.

[@fluxcapacitor3273]

interestingly onboard dac has wider / more airy sound, i liked it more...amazing ampliifier..What are the differences between 1600ne and 1700ne? they seem to be same dac, komponents, layout..all look so same, you can get 1600ne half the price if keep looking.

[@jaybonhof8717]

Conjure One - Brave for me, zeker een lekker nummer 😊. Mooie nieuwe referentie setup trouwens.

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Thanks!

[@madcrabber1113]

Sounds great, wonder how it would sound on my cheapo Klipsch RP280F's, FA's or Def Tech BP7004's? Nice set up you have there!

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Thanks! De Denon will handle most speakers just fine.

[@kislio8228]

dear Alpha audio!!! I would like to know who is the artist and the title of the very first music track heard during the test. Thank you very much for the answer!!!

[@TheAlphaAudio]

It's in the description... Conjure one - Brave for me

[@kislio8228]

Thank You

[@andersonelipoiani517]

Ótimo review. Qual a sua opinião na comparação do PMA-1700 com o PMA-A110. Ouvi as amostras. Qual é o melhor custo-benefício para você ? Obrigado e saudações de São Paulo-Brasil.

[@svenneskovic1553]

1700 ☀️🎉

[@굿잡-n1p]

Marantz has a brighter tone than Denon

[@albionmx77]

Hallo , is de Denon pma 1700 een betere intergrated dan de Arcam sa20 ? En welke amp is betere en in welke aspecten ? Dank u wel 😊

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Het ligt er helemaal aan wat je zoekt, waarmee je combineert en wat de balans in je systeem is.

[@jari121]

I don't hear much difference and can't say which one I prefer. So, do you think that Denon's dac is good enough?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

You hear more difference in the lossless files. Whether it is good enough depends on you... It is a decent dac.

[@jari121]

@@TheAlphaAudio In your dac comparison, I liked the RME ADI-2 dac the most. How would you compare it to these dacs?

[@Dr.Ignazio]

Analog rules for sure!!!

[@dreamerdeceiver6592]

hi between this denon pma1700ne and yamaha as1200 for my wharfedale linton speakers what would you choose? i want a full sound neutral but not fatiguing or bright thanks

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Just try them at home. Choose what you like.

[@dreamerdeceiver6592]

@@TheAlphaAudio i don't have them at my disposal,but if it were you what would you choose? Either one is a good choice? 😁

[@TheAlphaAudio]

@@dreamerdeceiver6592 they are very different. I am not going to advise, for I haven't heard the combination with the Wharfedale.

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

How do you think the 1700ne compares sonically with the Model 40n? Would be an interesting comparison.

[@TheAlphaAudio]

We have samples and reviews of both products. You can find them on our website.

[@JPWinters]

@@TheAlphaAudio I listened to them both on the site, the Model 40 is much more refined imo.

[@urosz.8455]

Would be a PMA 1700 good combination with Aria 926?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Depends on your taste, room, etc... It will probably on the bright side.

[@ram0468]

Mids/Vocals are more prominent. Will be a problem if speakers are having similar characterstic .

[@StagnantMizu]

how big is the difference to a serious dedicated DAC compared to newest mcbook dacs in 2023 there shouldnt be a real difference right?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Uhhhh... Yes there is. Huge even.

[@StagnantMizu]

@@TheAlphaAudio I have heard multiple times that there is literally none and that they admit to have compared it with top of the line macbooks and cant hear a difference between that and their 2k DACs

[@TheAlphaAudio]

@@StagnantMizu well... Try it for yourself with decent headphones. A dac is more than just a chip... It is mainly a very good power supply. Add the chip, clocking system and output stage to that and you have a dac. Apples focus is not the dac. It's building a very good laptop.

[@tommy-be-good6580]

This speaker has 87 db sensitivity, as far as i know (correct me if i am wrong). Do you think it can be driven by my marantz sr8012 in a decent way ? (it is an av amp and not a pure stereo amp). It has got up to 170 wats in pure stereo mode. (somwhere i have read it is even up to 230 watts) Would these speakers perhaps also work well with a tube amp with 20 watts for example ? What do you think ? I know that many dealers say, that a av receiver/amp is unable to drive such high end speakers in a decent way. Do you think, that this is necessarily always the case ?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

One quick question: you do realize these are 15.000 Euro speakers (in the Netherlands) or around $20.000 in the US? We use them to test equipment and show the capabilities of amps, cables, dacs, etc. We would never advise to combine such speakers with a 2000 Euro amp or receiver. Yes: it works, but there are better ways to spend the money. The balance is way off. The TAD's are not hard to drive. You need a stable amplifier, but that's always the case with high-end speakers. The impedance is friendly enough to be able to use a tube-amp. There is a peak around 2000 Hz, so you will get some coloration, but not too bad with a decent tube-amp.

[@tommy-be-good6580]

@@TheAlphaAudio thx for your quick reply. Ok, i have to admit that my question was perhaps somewhat naive. I am aware, that this speaker costs over 14.000 Euro and of course no professional would advise me to use a amp that is nearly five times cheaper then the speaker. My marantz av amp would only be a temprorary solution anyway, till i find a well matching amp for a reasonable and affordable price. For example, i would like a amp from Pass Labs - the entry level "Pass Labs Int 25" . The Int 25 perhaps would be a good choice, if i can buy a domonstration model with discount for example. I have a chance to listen to the "TAD Evo 2" speakers this week and i am already excited about it. I will see, which amp the dealer uses with this speakers. Honestly i hope to get a demonstration model of a good amp for a good price or i will try it on the used market, to keep my budged. But first i have to see, if this speakers convince me. I heard that speaker at the Munich High End and was absolute thrilled. But the speakers were powered by TAD ultra high end amps, that i really can not afford at all. I want to mention again, that i greatly appreciate your channel and your work and effort you put into this wonderful "hobby" to help people make the right decision when buying. (thumbs up and keep up the good). It is really fun. ;)

[@TheAlphaAudio]

@@tommy-be-good6580 Ah... I understand. Pass Labs matches really well. I think some very stable tubes cán work as well. Have fun listening!

[@alainduquenois3812]

Ampli Denon de haute qualité

[@ChaiBearProductions]

1700ne vs PMA-A110?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

You can download all lossless samples from our database

[@dennishill290]

Analog. 🍺👍🔊🔊

[@СергейЯкупов-ф8м]

Мощно.

[@williammiebach1798]

Good demo tracks. Good sounds from that Denon and TAD's Not equal to your Pass amps, a-duh! I was impressed by the sound of it's internal DAC, favoring it to the line input sound at times. The line signal may have a bit more weight and flesh, but clarity and soundstage detail seem to increase with the onboard one. A very good digital stage and ever so slightly less good line level stage? Sounds good either way.

[@EstrassFaMiLi]

Thx for this song 😉

[@higobatman]

What is the sound difference between this Denon and the Marantz Model 30? Is it just me or does it have more highs like the Marantz PM8006? Would the Model 30 be more refined?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

We also have samples of the Model 30. But on another speaker. Denon is more up beat en energetic than Marantz.

[@higobatman]

@@TheAlphaAudio Yup. I know. I love the sound of the Marantz Model 30 + Foca Sopra NO 1. It left the mid-range region with a warmth in the Focals that I loved and found very musical. Much better than the cold sound of the Denon PMA A110 and Yamaha AS2200. Only the Pass Lab INT25 that I found better than the Model 30. But one costs 2500 Euros and the other costs 7500 Euros. The difference is very big. The cost benefit of the Marantz Model 30 is unbeatable. He plays very close to the Acchuphase E-380. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWG8nH6ierKYbtk

[@liamkcrs2879]

Denon utiliza clase D en lugar de la clase AB.?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

No... Class AB

[@liamkcrs2879]

@@TheAlphaAudio tengo el denon PMA 1700 junto a unos kef ls 50meta, el denon calienta mucho, eso es normal?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Well... it depends on how loud you play. And your climate. It can get warm during use of course. The sensitivity is only 85dB... that is pretty low. But it should be hot all the time.

[@rene318]

Goeie muziek! Thanks!

[@TheAlphaAudio]

Welcome!

[@italioot]

To compare with marantz model 40?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

We have sampled both

[@ramipo1]

which speakers?

[@TheAlphaAudio]

TAD evolution 2

[@justanobody4983]

Is there a pre out?

[@madcrabber1113]

It has a pre in and a tape loop according to what I saw on Crutchfield.

[@REX4340]

Nice demo! Denon digital is too bright me thinks.

[@굿잡-n1p]

Analog connection sounds too bright Digital connection sounds neutra

[@svenneskovic1553]

Special

[@kodtech]

1400$ Amp+14000$ Spk ?! WTF 🤣

[@TheAlphaAudio]

So what? The DUT should be the weakest link...

[@kodtech]

@@TheAlphaAudio I would like to see a Denon vs Accuphase comparison on those speakers... 🤗

[@TheAlphaAudio]

@@kodtech we don't have good relations with both unfortunately.

[@kodtech]

@@TheAlphaAudio anyway, GREAT PRESENTATION! ...for my surprise, the digital-in sound more detailed than analog-in, which in my opinion sound muffled (but could be the DAC's fault)

[@TheAlphaAudio]

@@kodtech Thanks.

[@MrZenderOne]

Can't control the sound,very messy