Knuckles Could Be Better

[@Caydeeboi]

Personally I loved the knuckles show but I’m not gonna act like fans who don’t like it are wrong for wanting it to be something more centered around knuckles rather than Wade

[@SamProcrastinates]

T H I S ^

[@Egood_ty]

Thank you happy you liked it

[@liamphibia]

Good for you dude.

[@nerdbomber5730]

​@@SamProcrastinatesclam down same the show isn't that bad

[@ICader7194]

yeah I can see how it can be likable but I think the Sonic fans still dealing with the shock of the movie media being a lot less 'Sonic'-like than other Sonic media are gonna prioritize their feeling about that before considering the show to 'just be a show'. Inherent blue bias, I'll call it.

[@legoboy7107]

Iblis going on the freaking Facebook marketplace sounds more like a Snapcube dub than an actual official thing.

[@sonicsprit3]

Wait actually yeah

[@DrMoonRose]

During that scene I was genuinely waiting for a snapcube reference to happen

[@Neoniq41]

Most of the jokes in the show feel like something straight out of a 2012 KZbinr scit

[@ccateni28]

That whole sequence felt like a 1/2 the effort Vivziepop but remove the adult humor for kid humor and product placement. In a Knuckles show...

[@BritBox777]

Except here, I wasn't laughing

[@pkrockinit]

Personally. I was disappointed by this show. I thought the first episode was great. But then the show didn’t feel like it wanted to focus on knuckles. I’m glad some people liked it but man I really wanted to like it more.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

this is basically the opinion i have, you explained it perfectly

[@TheGilbz12]

For me i liked it as well but episodes 3 and 4 are the only problems 3rd wade’s shitty ass sorry excuse for a family and 4th literally competing with the nba young boys 😂😂

[@SeasonalGFilms]

Facts

[@MrSandwich20000]

I'm literally so confused because I don't understand who the target demographic of this show is. It doesn't appeal to kids since the fun, colorful cartoon characters they like are barely in it past a certain point. It isn't for the fans since it flat-out rarely uses anything from the games outside of arbitrary stuff for silly gags. And it most certainly isn't for parents since the jokes are far too juvenile and overexegrated. The ONLY other thing I can think of is that this show was made to win over the reviewers who said that the wedding scene in Sonic 2 was the best part of that film, but that's really it. With every Sonic project, I can at least rationalize some decisions that were made, regardless of how they affect the quality of the project itself. But with Knuckles? I have nothing. This is the first Sonic project in recent memory where I literally have no clue what their thought process was while making it.

[@jwroot]

Welp time to bully Paramount again, shall we?

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

I unironically think they're trying to see if there's an audience for only the human and supernatural aspect of this world and NOT the Sonic characters or at least the ones that require a lot of animation. You owe me a cookie if a year from now we get a G.U.N show.

[@hypersonic223]

THIS

[@nman551]

@@ThatBugBehindYou I see what you mean and that’s terrifying

[@mishdornots]

it's meant for corporate heads to stroke their egos for the next product.

[@lasagnasoul]

I despise that the multi billion dollar company struggles with budget issues, and then stretches this show out to 6 episodes with tons of licensed music. It would've been so so so much more successful and better paced as a spin off movie, but NAHHHH they gotta advertise paramount plus. I hate streaming services man, they've ruined so much of modern media and the way movies and shows are made

[@Rishi123456789]

I have never watched any streaming show. Not one. And I honestly don't feel like I've missed out on anything at all. Instantly disposable entertainment at its finest.

[@lasagnasoul]

@@Rishi123456789 other than a handful of netflix shows, you haven't missed anything. Shows made specifically for advertising a streaming platform are rarely good. For legal reasons, I am not advocating for the high seas, but this is a pretty good reason to want to do that

[@mayday-tz4dv]

​@@Rishi123456789TBF X-Men 97 and the Mandalorian are excellent.

[@thesamuraispirit7686]

​@@mayday-tz4dvmandalorian fell off after season 2. Season 3's first half was strong but the last half was really weak. I feel like streaming is decreasing the quality of tv shows. Only certain netflix shows are great and even other shows like last of us

[@JohnnyDoorknob]

They used their time appropriately for the story their trying to tell

[@jwroot]

*Finally,* a passionate Sonic fan who's not acting like a defensive shill and giving good and valid criticisms.

[@terrencehill502]

I haven't seen anyone defending this show

[@nman551]

@carlosmorais3674who?

[@nman551]

@carlosmorais3674 oh no not him anything but him

[@chillihog1543]

No offense but it ain't hard to find folks who dislike the show then folks who like the show (And this is coming from someone who thinks the Knuckles show is mid). If anything, it's the opposite n the only folks I seen that like the show is SpeedSuperSonic, LS Mark, and Mason. There's probably more but that's the only youtubers I seen

[@EduardoBalmaceda]

​@@nman551LSMark

[@CastellANM]

I wasn't expecting that ending, I hate how people went straight to your throat after you said you didn't like the show I'm pretty sure by next year everyone will be saying the show is bad

[@GoodnerMi]

That show was terrible, the people liking it are probably not Sonic fans.

[@cetospalis4784]

Thats twitter for you, and especially sonic twitter. They hate when anyone is critical of any form of Sonic media

[@HeroTheHedgehog999]

Yeah and honestly I’m not surprised giving that it’s the Sonic fandom….

[@EthanMastercrafter]

yeah his tearing up caught me off guard, as a sonic fan i kinda liked the show but I'm wise enough to know it's not a good sonic show, let alone knuckles

[@mrmelonman2893]

They will. There in their copium phase

[@TheIDcard123]

The harassment you dealt with on Twitter is simply unforgivable. This fanbase sometimes really can't handle criticism. Best wishes to you mate! Hold your head high and proud as a Sonic fan. You love this franchise enough to not handle mediocrity.

[@EWOODJ]

More like can’t handle liking something you don’t.

[@woag4974]

"Twitter" Not surprised in the slightest

[@magentafang9080]

"ThE KnUcKlEs ShOw Is FiNe! YoUrE jUsT MeAn!" all jokes aside, Knuckles needs a show that ACTUALLY focuses on him.

[@yarc9]

Sonic fans would say something like that

[@EdgyZiggy]

​@@yarc9 It is literally the title of LS Mark's video

[@ZeroJump]

First we need a good Sonic show thats not Boom

[@yarc9]

@@EdgyZiggy sonic literally has the stupidest fanbase ever

[@yarc9]

@@EdgyZiggy sonic literally has the stupidest fanbase ever

[@Cade_The_Squirrel]

For context Jeff Fowler knows his shit when it comes to Sonic, he's a Sonic game veteran since his company literally made the CGI cutscenes for Sonic Heroes, Shadow 05 and Sonic 06.

[@SuperSonicBoy2001]

Just shadow the hedgehog. And he only worked on the CG cutscenes

[@SonicLegends]

Only thing with Jeff Fowler that has me concerned is apparently word is that he doesn't like Rouge, so I hope that isn't what makes him decide to not add her in movie 3 for our Team Hero and Team Dark dynamic, otherwise Knuckles won't have his own antagonist while the others do theirs. If it turns out she's not would rather hear it was due to Paramount not being on board (given design despite that it can be toned down given Heroes/Prime costumes) than it being the decision from the man himself. I'll just be baffled if Amy's part of the story instead of Rouge.

[@oscarnanduca8854]

OK, first of all do not blame this on Jeff Fowler he directed episode one. It was a whole different person that directed the rest of the episodes so don’t you dare blame this on Jeff Jeff is one of the best sonic movie creators don’t be pitching this on him 😡😡

[@SonicLegends]

@@oscarnanduca8854 I was never blaming him? Where did I say that? I'm actually in the boat of people that actually liked the Knuckles show, I gave it a score of 7.5 on resetera under the same name that I have here. I have complaints sure for how it could have been better, but I thought it was serviceable enough as I didn't have high expectations like some fans did to the point of thinking Chaotix or Rouge were going to show up when if anything my only suspicion was perhaps Rouge teaser at the end.

[@SuperSonicBoy2001]

@@oscarnanduca8854 he was expressing concern chill

[@vexer953]

I just don't understand why they didn't just make this into an 1hr long short film. If they knew they only had enough budget for Knuckles to be on screen for a certain amount time, why not just base the content around that. I would have been perfectly happy with that.

[@SamProcrastinates]

100%

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

They easily could’ve done a Werewolf by Night thing where it’s a 30 minute short accomplishing everything it wanted to, most of this show feels like filler sadly

[@vexer953]

@@Mr_bukowski4435 I was thinking the same thing. They could have done it like that or the GOTG special. A 60-80min film where Knuckles and other CGI elements are on screen for at least 90% of the time sounds better than a 3 hour show where they are on screen half of the time.

[@chaotika693]

Exactly what I was thinking by the 3rd episode

[@manuelinacio4038]

Knuckles gave me a lot of Prime Shadow vibes in terms of using him as a marketing tool. I mean, the developers knew that these are the most likable characters in their shows, so they put them everywhere in trailers, ads, promotions, etc. But then, when you're in the middle of the show/season, you realize that they won't do anything with both characters, and they are completely sidelined and instead decided to focus on boring/annoying side characters.

[@Myzayu]

Exactly my impression because whenever Knuckles was on-screen (which was not that much), it was GOOD! I only thought The Knuckles Show was a better 'show' than Sonic Prime because at least it wasn't *23/24* Episodes of it spread out in a year & a half (As well as all the Canon Nonsense.).

[@sonic5993]

we call that Wolverine marketing.

[@E123OmegaShow]

Not really because Shadow was ignored on most trailers and barely appeared in the show s posters. Knuckles is the TITULAR character of this show, people have a right to be mad

[@manuelinacio4038]

@E123OmegaShow No, they made a big deal with Shadow being a huge character in the show and then they do nothing with him.

[@Myzayu]

​@@manuelinacio4038 And just like with Sega, we keep falling for it (Remember Sonic Forces?)...😑 I'm starting to think Most Streaming Shows (That keep Failing to Tell a Compelling Narrative in the 'Middle' of their "Seasons".), should just be Streaming 'Movies'. Apparently, Steaming is 'Unsustainable' & doesn't want/can't allow 'Long-Running' Shows like Traditional Cable Shows & these "Streaming Shows" just can't figure out how to properly pace their stories in 8 or Around 8-Episode "Seasons" (Extremely Cheaply-Made Content like "Reality Shows" are apparently the exception when it comes to 'Long-Running' Shows.🙄).

[@retrohero2762]

This series pretty much showed how this Sonic universe is really being held back by being a live action CGI hybrid. You have Knuckles who's a treasure hunter and the last of his tribe who has rivals like Rouge and side adventures with the Chaotix and they decide to make him mentor the comic relief cop from the movies for a bowling competiton. The prequel Sonic 2 comic showed us the potential of this world outside of earth with all these cool reimaginings of the classic game zones and sci fi aesthetic to them but this insistence on including live action humans instead of making these entirely animated just keeps this stuff focused on Alvin and the Chipmunks level stories and is making the Sonic characters take a back-seat in their own show. After Sonic 3 they should make these entirely animated and take better advantage of the Sonic universe

[@MrGamer07100]

This comment deserves the most likes.

[@dusk173]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I salute you.🫡

[@Rishi123456789]

"This series pretty much showed how this Sonic universe is really being held back by being a live action CGI hybrid. You have Knuckles who's a treasure hunter and the last of his tribe who has rivals like Rouge and side adventures with the Chaotix and they decide to make him mentor the comic relief cop from the movies for a bowling competiton. The prequel Sonic 2 comic showed us the potential of this world outside of earth with all these cool reimaginings of the classic game zones and sci fi aesthetic to them but this insistence on including live action humans instead of making these entirely animated just keeps this stuff focused on Alvin and the Chipmunks level stories and is making the Sonic characters take a back-seat in their own show. After Sonic 3 they should make these entirely animated and take better advantage of the Sonic universe" Based. I agree with you that the movies should have been animated, but I would have been okay with the films being live-action as long as they didn't do the "Sonic is an alien from another planet! XD" bullshit because it makes it hard to include anthro characters in the films and Sonic was from Earth anyway in the original Japanese version of the games ('Mobius' is an American creation). We're almost three films in and we don't even know for sure yet whether or not Amy will be in the third film despite her belonging to a group of Sonic characters that I call the 'Big Five' (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Robotnik). The most fundamental flaw of the live-action Sonic films isn't that they're live-action films but that they don't happen on a version of Earth where humans and anthros have lived together all along, just like in the original Japanese version of the games. It's incredibly disappointing to me. The only two words that come to my mind when I think of the live-action Sonic films are 'wasted potential'. After Sonic 3, I hope they make a new trilogy of Sonic movies that are entirely animated with all of the major anthro characters appearing in the first film of that trilogy.

[@Keyblade_welder_13]

I felt like these movie's should have always been animated. Especially after watching the Super Mario bros movie. It's why I've grown to prefer that movie, and I'm not even a passionate Mario fan. We have way too many live action remakes/adaptations these days...

[@liamphibia]

We need more Sonic Movie comics.

[@mobas07]

This show literally encapsulates everything wrong with Paramount's Sonic stuff. Except in this case it literally only has the bad parts.

[@nman551]

Yeah

[@StarDragonNova]

It's the wedding scene... except that it's the WHOLE show!

[@mobas07]

When the founder himself has to tell you your show sucks, that's when you know you've done goofed.

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@@StarDragonNovaat least that scene was somewhat funny

[@BritBox777]

This.

[@GamerBlake90]

You're absolutely right. Knuckles deserved *way* better. Come on, Paramount.

[@SonicBlue302]

Yes this show sucks i was very disappointed

[@DaYapGuy]

​@@SonicBlue302Yeah, this show was BOWLIN' !!

[@Rishi123456789]

"Knuckles deserved way better." You are completely right.

[@Tails_being_chill]

But why does it have high rating if it sucks

[@zaneidaos8012]

And now I worry for Shadow's spin-off. He is my favourite character. I even worry about Keanu Reeves voicing him. I hope he won't let us down.

[@ThrawnaDelRey]

The last minute got so real. Sonic fans are used to taking Ls, but MAN, at some point you just get tired seeing them being disrespected.

[@mgdgamerart456]

The Wade Whipple Show. & Knuckles

[@jacobluna2932]

True

[@devinsauls9137]

OMG! Y'all made Sam Procrastinates cry 😢

[@nman551]

This fandom is toxic just look at what happens when you diss the “writing” of colors these people go feral

[@tjz3158]

I know man it’s sad it’s already bad enough that Prem gets a lot of shit and SomecallmeJohnny having an existential crisis and becoming really depressed for a while.

[@hermityt1]

@@nman551 Incredibly toxic. I would go as far as to say that the majority of the fanbase with an online presence is toxic. These people are not normal functioning adults. They have serious mental issues, never grew up, are terminally online, creepy and degenerate. Sonic is a cursed franchise because of these people and will never be able to escape it's reputation whilst these people are still around.

[@Egood_ty]

@@nman551 its worrying how people can be

[@akdreamer6497]

​@@nman551 Strawman argument

[@evandoubenmier7914]

I'm so sorry that the community went after you the way they did. If it helps, I think your critiques with both Frontiers and Knuckles are completely justified. Great review, Sam. Thanks for speaking up.

[@retrohero2762]

The Sonic community just dickrides anything now because they're too afraid of the series having a bad reputation. It's crazy that they want more Alvin and the Chipmunks level stories with these cringe humans instead of something more animated that honours the games more

[@evandoubenmier7914]

I know, right?! I wanna see Chemical Plant, I wanna see Scrap Brain, and most importantly, I wanna see Sonic characters! I would have seriously taken villains like the Deadly Six over some random human villain.

[@chrange9714]

​​@@evandoubenmier7914 Those villains are awesome so yeah but that's besides the point. The human villain was still cool.

[@chrange9714]

​@@retrohero2762 The Sonic community couldn't be more of the exact opposite of what you just said.

[@reggielacey2235]

Not thw frontiers one

[@ZachtheRobot]

I don’t outright hate this show, but I do think it’s the first major misfire of this universe and this makes me worry for other potential spinoffs.

[@liamphibia]

They should NOT repeat the formula again.

[@charmyzard]

I can't lie, the 13:20 giant puppet is actually pretty cool. Maybe the show should've been this, with Wade looking up to these achievements from Knuckles and asking for the training on the bowling whatever, his opportunity to pass on Echidna lessons, all the while giving us literally the Flames of Disaster.

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

Exactly I genuinely really liked that episode it was so fun

[@seanibarra-loredo7290]

I thought I was the only one that liked that from the episode XD

[@nicnacs9779]

Thank you Sam, we can really feel how much you care for these characters ❤ I remember seeing a IGN review saying "This show nails whats great about the Sonic movies" and I think that couldn't be farther from the truth. Now this isn't to say there's nothing good about this show. I agree with Sam that the first two episodes are pretty good and I honestly like Wade and Knuckles's dynamic. But this show just doesn't lean on what makes these characters great and instead chooses to spend screentime on annoying/forgetful characters and leaving the main character on the sidelines. Viewers deserve better. Sonic fans deserve better. Knuckles DESERVES better. I really hope Paramount sees BOTH the positive and negative feedback and uses it to make future projects as good as they can be instead of the bare minimum.

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

IGN are genuine SHILLS when it comes to mediocre video game adaptations. I genuinely can’t take them seriously anymore

[@Peasham]

I mean like, they're not wrong, this show absolutely follows the template of the movies.

[@maikayee246]

The difference between Sam and IGN however when IGN gets backlash they don't respond back, when he does however he cries...

[@quantumcalmness71]

Okay, Sam. I don't live online and am a bit wary of this online fandom still.... But you're right. We gotta speak up. So this is for you. And this is the short version. Edited to add back a couple points. Sorry for spoilers, anyone who bothered to read this without watching the show first. 100% Agree; - Knuckles looked and sounded great. But his frequent absence in his own show was awkward. - Game music and 2D animation would have been fine, if it allowed a better quality story with more time for Knuckles to actually be here. - Had hoped that lore and world building would have been more relevant to this show. Am really nervous for the next film and the franchise in general, now. Sega, can you at least let the characters have questions about themselves, their skills, where the magic things are from and how they work? You don't have to decide all the answers right away. And you could change your mind later, if needed. Things that Confused Me: - If Knuckles defending the house from innocent people had already happened multiple times.... Why hadn't anyone living with him tried to explain sooner that repair people are not invaders? - Wade. He's been goofy before but not dangerously so. He was in both the films. Why does he never wonder if Eggman is involved? Why does he make zero effort to call Tom or Sonic? If not to ask for help and advice then at least to give them some warning? Also, how much does Wade actually dislike his job? He never attempts to call the police or act with much consideration for the law. I don't care if you won the ridiculous joust thing, Wade. That was robbery. The motorcycle title is not in your name. - Wade? You were fine walking into the crowded bowling alley with this furry red alien earlier and you'll leave him unsupervised in a casino later. So... Why does he need to hide from your family at all? - The 'Wade should learn to rescue himself' line makes me wonder if Knuckles has temporary amnesia. You were just rescued in episode two, buddy. -Bad guys? Wait. WHY do any of you actually NEED Knuckles? If you just want alien power sources... Couldn't you gather shed quills or magic rocks? You know, things that won't punch you? Just asking. - Dear Sonic. You failed to notice Knuckles converting the living room into a gladiators pit. Is everything okay? Does this mean someone could just wander off with the Master Emerald? -Dear Wades Mom. Uhm. With respect, if your husband left you to become a professional bowler and you knew this about him... It seems like you could have located him and at least gotten child support payments or something? - Dear Wades Sister. Are you actually FBI or just delusional? Sorry. You talked about your work but never went to work. So I'm just very confused. Am I meant to regard you as a bully to your brother because you're more successful? Or... is Wade actually picking on you because you believe that you're something that you're not and can never be? - Dear Creative Team. Congrats. You definitely got to be creative. Much respect. Was that a weird pitch for a Broadway show? I'd be down for taking that concept on the road. Episode 4 left me with way more questions than answers about the characters history, though. Largely due to the absence of the involved character. Knuckles should have at least gotten to wander in, see Wade dressed up like him and offered the chance to narrate. I hope we do get to keep the friendly Echidna ghost but we'd just met him, too. So... yeah. Hard to know what to feel here. Will any of this end up being relevant? Maybe the films will ignore this and create their own backstory. We don't know yet. - Uhm. In the movies, even humans can just throw a portal ring to open it. I'm still not really sure why the bad guys here needed a gun to do the same thing? - Dear Wades Dad. The mascot convention is over there. Also, exactly how old was your son when you abandoned him in a store? Because apparently you taught him bowling first. That's not usually a game for toddlers, is it? -Dear Actual Professional Bowlers. I'm so sorry. Clearly this show doesn't represent your sport. While it was kinda fun to see all the creative liberaties... I'm still not sure why this show featured a team tournament. They made the final feel like a singles match showdown anyway. Why is there something very Sega about that? -Not allowing the story to end with Knuckles back in Green Hill, maybe making peace with the repair guys, feels like a missed opportunity. Also makes me worry. Because we don't know the timeline yet. Is this show going to be a between films adventure? Or an excuse for Knuckles to be absent from the next movie?

[@quantumcalmness71]

Okay. Sorry. Know you said to be balanced. This list didn't come together as easily. Things I liked: - Uhm. Sorry. Is there a more polite way to say that I'd honestly expected for the main plot of this show to be so much worse and I'm just relieved it wasn't? - Everything Knuckles built. The elaborate obstacle course out in the forest, the chair, the gladiators pit. Sure, it was over the top. But it was fun to see and just nice for this character to be allowed a creative side. - Knuckles getting to explore the world a little. Make new friends. See different places. All that felt healthy. - Knuckles ability to easily adapt to different places, people and modes of transport made his history as an interdimensional traveler more credible. - Wade did get a chance to grow as a character and acknowledge his own history. It was nice that some of his choices showed increased trust - but yeah. The parallels to the first movie kinda robbed the last fight of a chance to feel geniune. - Maddie. A human who can support the heros but who still cares about things like going to work and getting her home repaired. - Sonicverse: A place where single moms can afford to be homeowners. - Sonic. It was nice to see him get a chance to acknowledge that family life had been an adjustment. He also got to be supportive, show off a few hobbies and step out of the spotlight peacefully. I'd been kinda anxious about how they were going to handle that. - Please can we keep the friendly Echidna ghost? Sonicverse has so many ghosts. Especially with Shadow coming to the next film.... This could be an interesting precedent. - Quill powered tech in general. Other humans having their own robots and portal rings. Secretive humans ditching their enemies on the Mushroom Planet for who knows how long. Lots of potential for interesting plots and consequences here.

[@theprincess3872]

I would prefer six mini-episodes in the style of Drone Home with Knuckles and the gang getting up to various shenanigans as opposed to whatever this was

[@mehiloll]

Yeah, I feel like many people don’t even know the existence of that short. It was amazing, and I wish the show was like that, even if it wasn’t full quality like the movies.

[@liamphibia]

29:04 Man, Sam. When you explained why you were giving your criticisms, I wasn't expecting your voice to break and tear up at that moment. I'm not the type of guy that gets emotional at all things, but after listening to your entire review, I was really touched by your final words here. You sounded very real and genuine. Sigh, you're right. Knuckles himself *deserves* better.

[@TheGilbz12]

I guess he really loved knuckles that much 😢

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

Dude I love Knuckles but bro was treating him like a god damn family member like chill bro it’s not that deep

[@liamphibia]

@@Mr_bukowski4435 Truly. Sigh, well at least it's better than Velma season 2... Right?👍🏻

[@Schwoomy]

@@liamphibiaVelma is absolute bottom of the barrel trash that people need to stop hate watching, while I have plenty of my own issues with this show, I don’t think their faults are close as pieces of media in isolation

[@emilianoh.r5844]

​@@TheGilbz12 it was not just because of Knuckles, certain people from the Sonic fandom harassed him online for having a different opinion about this series

[@StarDragonNova]

Don't worry Sam. It's always good to speak up and voice your opinions. Don't let people who are willing to consume mediocrity and lash out at anyone who dares insult their favourite franchise get to you. I know it's hard sometimes, but let's focus on productive discussions and people who are willing to hear your side. For every one of those people who come after you, there are many more of us who respect you, what you do and your content.

[@Mar_charya]

“always good to speak up and voice opinions” - calls people who enjoys the show “people willing to consume mediocrity”. you know you guys can criticise a show without making fun of/belittling people who enjoy it, right?

[@StarDragonNova]

​@@Mar_charya Hah sorry there is a misunderstanding here. I specifically meant people who are willing to settle for less just because "It's sonic", not people who actually enjoy the show. I'm an 06 fan, i should know lol. I should have made that clearer/worked that better. Thx for pointing that out. Obvously we shouldn't bellittle people for having different opionions. We should instead call out the big companies who are making cheaper products. Liking something isn't the same as settling for less and attacking others for speaking up.

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@StarDragonNova But on what he said does leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

[@NicheXCC]

"We are going to give you more Wedding Scene moments, and you're going to like it." I love what Sam said at the end. I haven't a single SonicTuber be honest with themselves like this. It encapsulates what this fandom is missing.

[@lupinthenerd439]

You mean the undrstanding that this is the Fanily movie universe that should be judge as it's own thing? Don't get me wrong , I saw the show, it's not for everyone, but I think it's a bit late complain about human characters 4 years after they were introduced

[@NicheXCC]

@@lupinthenerd439 This is why hollywood is dying.

[@lupinthenerd439]

@@NicheXCC lol what the heck is supposed to mean?

[@KeltkeGH]

@@lupinthenerd439 people wouldn't complain much about human characters if they weren't boring and cringy, and the fact that they keep keep stealing spotlight from the characters people actually care about (like the writers thinking it was brilliant to make the manchild comic relief the actual main character of a show titled Knuckles).

[@lupinthenerd439]

@@KeltkeGH i get tgat, but I've seen this thing done much poorly in other parts: at least the guman stuff in knuckles is 50-60% of the jokes land and the emotional stuff works fine enough. This all depends on expectation and personal tastes

[@terrencehill502]

I'm not upset just disappointed

[@CastellANM]

The amount of licenced music and product placements made me so mad istg

[@Fractorification]

I think what this show was missing was seeing more time between Knuckles and Wade bonding. See, Knuckles arguably gets developed by episode 3 by spending time with Wade's mom and learning the value of family. After that, he doesn't get much growth or has anything else to do till the finale. Wade then takes center stage getting developed further making the character arcs seem one-sided here. So when the finale comes around, it's mostly Wade using his newfound confidence to stand up to the buyer. They try to give Knuckles this big moment where he's fighting for his home, but since his last mayor growth happened back in episode 3, it doesn't feel as earned. They needed more scenes of him appreciating earth as a cause worth defending to sell it. So, going back to my first point, have Wade teach Knuckles how to bowl, and make him realize what made it so special to him and why he wants to prove himself to his father. And in turn, have Knuckles teach Wade how to be more confident. Instead of doing it through a musical, have Knuckles retell that story to him and explain how he was scared. his clan was in danger and his father was dead, yet he somehow found the strength to defeat Ibliss and push on. But ever since then, his spark is gone since he doesn't feel like he has someone to fight for anymore. You could even throw in an internal conflict that because he lacks a spark, he can't activate the flames of disaster anymore, until Wade's speech in the finale brings it back. A moment of sincerity like that would've make their arcs far more satisfying. I'm just spitballing here though. Obviously these ideas need to be redrafted properly, but you get the point.

[@feliciaroseantonia]

YES Oh my goodness exactly!!! That re-imagining of how Knuckles' backstory is revealed to Wade/the audience is pretty much just what I was thinking!! It could even be a good opportunity to show more of Pachacamac - and, yes, Tikal as well! - being there for Knuckles after Locke's passing. (Yes, I know Knuckles' dad isn't technically given a name in the Paramount continuity. But he has a name in the Archie comics continuity & that seems to be the only one where he has one so we'll just go with that i guess lol) & on the note of Tikal; since Pachacamac was clearly shown to be a benevolent mentor sort of figure, it stands to reason that the whole conflict with Chaos wouldn't have happened. & if Iblis exists near them, it wouldn't be out of the question for Chaos & the Chao to also live nearby as well. Perhaps Chaos and Iblis could be from the same species or something & Iblis ended up going rogue for whatever reason, & the reason why Knuckles has to be the one to ultimately defeat Iblis is because Chaos is preoccupied with taking care of the chao, & so is Tikal basically; whereas Pachacamac is preoccupied with overseeing the tribe and keeping them calm & orderly about the situation. It would be a great opportunity to show Knuckles having friends, to see his home; hell, maybe even see Lara-Le (Knuckles' mother/Locke's wife). It would also be preferable imo if Pachacamac being at the bowling alley was a real confirmed thing instead of dubiously being some sort of dream sequence thing. Again, that would give more opportunity for Tikal (& perhaps again, Chaos & the chao!) to show up! Even if she's only there as much as... well, as much as Knuckles is in the official release of the series, it would still be pretty cool, and it would make more sense for someone like Tikal or Pachacamac to have that side role instead of... y'know. The titular character of the series. The scene with them going home on the motorcycle could happen before the credits, and then the after-credits scene could just be a shorter version of the musical number thing with Wade, where it's him doing that as a way to explain everything he learned about Knuckles' life & such while he's back home talking with The Wachowski's. It could end on some funny moment of Tikal being amazed & delightfully applauding the performance, while everyone else - especially Knuckles, and least especially Tom (if he's there) because he's used to Wade's antics by now - is just dumbfounded at how hilariously ridiculous the whole thing is lol. Sounds kind of long for a post-credits scene I suppose, but again; a shortened version of the song could make it work!

[@Mr1Pekin]

Knuckles certainly does deserve better, but let's not forget that Paramount could be testing the waters regarding what they can and cannot do with these SEGA characters. Here's hoping Sonic 3 delivers better results.

[@retrobrickreviews687]

15:37 Me when I lie. This isn't either of their motivations, and honestly Willoughby's reason for wanting to kill Knuckles is so interesting and realistic that I honestly think she should've just been this show's main antagonist.

[@GoodnerMi]

Man, Sonic animated stuff is pretty bad right now. And that's sad, because I personally love the animated stuff in the past. First Sonic Prime and now this. I hope they get their act together soon.

[@BigShottyEdits]

This show could have been something special if it was done right. I really felt disappointed after watching it. I hope Paramount uses our constructive criticism for potential future spin-offs.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

I hate this show and I hate SonicTuber shills like SpeedSuperSonic that not only defend this show’s flaws, but also actively insults the audience that dislikes the show. Thank you for your honesty Sam.

[@nman551]

That guy is such a loser

[@mrmelonman2893]

He a shill

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@@mrmelonman2893 Sam isn’t.

[@mrmelonman2893]

@@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed talking about speedsupersonic

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@@mrmelonman2893 Oh. Yeah you’re correct. Same with Sonic Show and GamerGuyd7Aces

[@brianuuuSonicReborn]

Humans continues to be the worst thing of this movie/spin off series

[@GoodnerMi]

THIS ^

[@mrmelonman2893]

I cant believe sonic x had better human characters than this

[@Uesr2004D]

The human character I really hate is wade sister.

[@DanPlotMix]

@@Uesr2004D I hate Wade's family personally.

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

I don't agree at all. I genuinely don't get how anyone hates the humans. Or argue it takes away from the sonic characters when most of the time they are there to enhance it. They do that extremely well.

[@best_mate456]

Sam when’s the last time you were this mad before 😂. Before the avatar crap 💩 Don’t take this as a insult but I like you get mad because is funny 😂 But your giving criticism is always never a bad thing. Is obviously that you’re not the only person who did not like the show that much and we fully understand the reason. Keeping doing well sam your streams quantity is of the charts now

[@mammamiawhygod2091]

I remember YMS making a good point about how with practical effects and puppets you can show them off as much as you want for the most part but with CDI they avoid bloating the budget more (and paying extra to the people who are doing the real work) so they try their hardest to find work arounds to avoid showing them all that much. Like you can do so much cool stuff with CDI so it just sucks when they don't even allow the people working on those effects to try because that means paying them more. Like I really feel like episode 4 would have been completely different if they put more money into this project, like the problem is how they didn't make the show a even mix because of it's budget not accounting for it. Also celebrity actors are still a huge problem with this all, sinking so much money into a couple of popular voices shouldn't be the norm especially for animated projects.

[@marshallw1902]

YMS doesn't provide good enough arguments in most topics and practical has many flaws that y'all overlook (a hybrid between the two is fine). Also this overly annoying whining about "celebrity" voice acting makes middling sense and alienates voice actors who do live appearances in alot of stuff and vice versa like Mark hammil, Alan Tudyk and many more who aren't phoning it in.

[@xdecatron2985]

I’m just glad they used this opportunity to finally introduce the REAL villain of the Sonic franchise to this universe: Developer Negligence. Honestly, the series didn’t feel the same without it.

[@StarcrossedFlash]

I personally think that humans belong in Sonic stories. But they should never EVER overshadow them! The humans do NOT hold the Sonic characters back when done well. Look at SA2 and the LIKABLE humans in Sonic X. You know what no humans means? No Shadow! Not the real one, anyway! The Sonic characters also have just as much potential when they’re fish out of water. But this was the show’s ultimate failure. They didn’t focus on any of that! The first ten minutes were an absolute TREASURE! TAILS CALLED A DOG TO HIM! He made kiss noises and everything! So precious!🥰 Then……..they focused this show titled after an alien echidna warrior on a human’s bowling tournament! Hey, do you guys also want to watch a Tails series that focuses on a teen trying to ask someone out?

[@Myzayu]

"No humans means no Shadow" As a Shadow Fan that got into this series with SA2, this is exactly why I hate this extreme "NO HUMANS EVER" kind of storytelling in the Sonic Series. Yeah, we don't want "too many humans" & we don't want "too much human-focused stories" (Though, I would argue it's 'more' "mundane-focused stories.") but making Eggman "The Last Human" like how Knuckles is the last Echidna is not the solution that makes the stories better either. 'Sonic Forces' had no humans at all (Besides Eggman, obviously.), but a story featuring only Anthro Animals doesn't make for good storytelling by default either. And a character like Shadow, I would say, works best if he still has 'some' connection to humanity as their protector. Again, it's the lack of 'balance' that's missing (And apparently the hardest to achieve in a lot of similar IPs like Sonic.).

[@TrojanStrikeAnimations42069]

it deserves another season this time, let jeff do the whole thing

[@forwhyy9915]

Remarkably put Sam. I have just about the same opinions you do on this show, and I am incredibly glad you're not afraid to say what you really think about it. Knuckles absolutely deserves better, and while people can absolutely enjoy the show. I don't think it's ridiculous to expect a Sonic TV show (or, in this case, Knuckles) to be about Sonic

[@JacktheLightningRipper]

Honestly with how a lot of the ending was worded and with getting a little emotional, I get the feeling like some of it was driven from a desire to stand against a society where corporations treat consumers no different than mindless machines that just accept anything without question and dispense money in return. And considering how often we see this in the entertainment industry, especially in recent years, I cannot exactly blame you for feeling this way. Honestly it’s kinda sad what this industry has become, not to mention a lot of the film and show fandom.

[@ZetaXO_]

The 2 first episodes were enjoyable. The rest was painful. This show isn't about Knuckles at all, everything that should be serious is treated as a joke (be it knuckles' story or Wade's family's abuse) and all the secondary characters are unsufferable assholes

[@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710]

I keep saying this and I’m gonna say it again. The Chaotix SHOULD’VE been in here. I don’t care if it “doesn’t fit in the continuity” or “it costs a lot of money” or whatever. If you have a Sonic project that features KNUCKLES as the “star” (which isn’t really true because Wade stole half the show) and have Knuckles’ face all over the product. Why NOT reference the characters who helped him on his quest back on Carnival Island all those years ago?

[@BritBox777]

This show has Pacha, a character who defines the history and demise of the entirety of Knuckles people, show up as a comedy guardian angel. If you think for a second Paramount is going to treat anyone with respect; I got some bad news

[@hermityt1]

Because Hollywood doesn't care. I apply this to the first two Sonic movies too. They take these things and always put their own "creative" spin on it. None of these live action movies appeal to me as a Sonic fan. They are too childish, cheesy, with too many cringy characters and dialogue. I don't know how anybody enjoys any of this live action stuff if you're a Sonic fan.

[@BritBox777]

@@hermityt1 When Movie 3 treats Shadow's tragic backstory as a comedy bit, watch how quickly the fanbase turns

[@3DoublePoint]

Exactly, It could have been better if knuckles ended up meeting the Chaotix, that's would be excited for fans to see. But sadly, Wade took the whole show 😂

[@Noone-j2m]

If they make a season 2 one day. It better be about Knuckles. Not Wade. Knuckles

[@GumRobber]

Personally I thought The Knuckles show was ok if I we’re to give it a rating I would say 6.5 or 7 out of 10. I don’t hate that Wade took more of a lead then knuckles, obviously I preferred knuckles to have more of a lead. The fact that this show is only 6 episodes long doesn’t offend me that much. Also what you said at 1:33 is there even a point to that cause it was announced today that the show is getting a blu ray release.

[@sonicthehedgehog8638]

I enjoyed my time watching the show It's a good show but not a Sonic show and even though I enjoyed it part of me is mad that we had a chance to get a "Knuckles show" a beloved character that mostly hasn't been done justice since SA2 back in 2001 and they robbed us of that chance they took it away from us and it is a good show isn't enough to excuse the horrible and outrageous crime they did And then some people are going to come out and act like oh! Sonic fans are always complaining, they were never satisfied with anything, to begin with, and "you can't please everyone in the Sonic fandom" and all that bullshit I didn't hate on the series But I know that people are complaining and trashing about it and have every right to do so because they promised us a "Knuckles show" but what we ended up getting was a good or ok show that has Knuckles in its background and that is in no way acceptable Mad respect for Sam and the people fighting back, they lied to us and I believe we Sonic fans deserved better than a "good show with some Sonic references"

[@Rishi123456789]

"I enjoyed my time watching the show" Stopped reading there.

[@sonicthehedgehog8638]

@@Rishi123456789 I know right!!!

[@kaobunn]

hey man im really sorry that people came after you as you noticed, i was one of the people on your tweets who assumed the "accepting mediocrity" line was a way to discourage people from liking it at all, in the sense of gatekeeping, but its clear i made huge misjudgment and that's not what you meant, and if you see this, im really sorry for making such a wild assumption and hope you'll be okay since i noticed you teared up at the end

[@mrkrabs459]

I’m happy that you weren’t afraid of saying what you felt and view show as is,like I seen a lot people say oh the sonic fans are mad at everything because they don’t have it your way or oh they’re mad because human character took the show then knuckles so we shouldn’t complain about it, when the show advertise it that it will be focusing on knuckle mostly but instead it’s let focus on the human more then the sonic character because human characters are more important than the sonic characters. It blatantly false advertising and we shouldn’t put up with it like we want a knuckle series that focus on knuckles with wade as the secondary main character but keep his stuff as the side plot not the main focus but balanced as I do like wade in both films but I hoped we get him as the secondary mc not he main focus but instead the ceo and higher up thought it was a good idea to make it the wade show by 95% of the show while knuckle had 20% of it, like I’m sorry but that bs on a consumer level and as a fans too. And like I want this franchise to succeed a lot but with this , I’m happy to see people criticizing it and not holding back as we deserve better especially when half of the community been hammering this in we want more focus on the Sonic character but also have the human character be involved but don’t make them the main focus make it a subplot or something that all we want

[@MattNL]

I really appreciate your thoughts and review. I watched this show alongside you and I was frankly surprised with just how far off the mark the show was. I'm not even a big fan of the movies, but I at least expected this to be passable. Fandoms, especially the Sonic fandom, need to be more critical of the things they love. They will keep churning out products of this quality if the only thing people have to say is "that was peak", when even deep down, they know it could've been better. Pretending that a product is perfect, just because it stars your favorite character is a lose lose for everyone involved except the companies making them. There are people behind these criticisms, and those people have feelings. These products don't have feelings. You're not hurting Knuckles' feelings by not liking the show, or Frontiers, or Prime. This community needs to learn that there are more important things than piling someone for an opinion online, because they dared to disagree with the masses. Fans only criticize in the first place because they only want the studios behind them to make a better effort. This was a budget show that lied about its premise in the marketing. Knuckles deserves better, and frankly we deserve better. Thank you for your honest and well thought out review. You're a good person in this community.

[@socks456]

Love it or hate it, im glad someone’s did have the guts to speak up on there own opinion, well done sam Can’t wait to finish this review

[@Andythesonicfan]

Did the people who made the show even watch sonic movie 2? In knuckles backstory in this show, it shows knuckles (actually wade in a knuckles costume) watching his father die even though in sonic 2, knuckles EXPLICITLY SAID “those were the last words he spoke to me. I never saw him again” when his dad told him to stay behind. Also knuckles backstory, even his DAD’S DEATH, is treated as a joke in this show

[@ryananthony2869]

I will not rest until I let the world know that I want Fang The Sniper to be in the movieverse and be played by Rob Paulsen! It would be a million times better than introducing new humans the fans don't care about,and if you have to introduce more humans,at least give us Professor Pickle!

[@Nothavinit00]

I didn't care for the show either but I'm more concerned about your wellbeing. Seeing you tear up made me want to give you a hug. Don't let ANY of those people on Twitter get you down, and don't take their words too hard. Feel better. 🖤✌

[@sogxdelta6358]

Going to leave my opinion before I watch your review. I thought it was roughly 4/10, pretty Meh. I tried watching it 2 times in a row but turned it off when there were only humans on the screen talking to each other about, their life, bowling, religion and backgrounds and stuff. On my 2nd watch I was like, WTF am I watching? This has nothing to do with the sonic universe. Knuckles was the best part of the knuckles show and Wade juggled from being okay to bad depending on who he was around. and when his sister randomly stabbed him I was like, WTF? What was the point!? Soundtrack was generic music catered to the masses and not sonic fans and this movie didn't introduce or bring anything to the sonic movie universe. What a let down.

[@undeadlink8623]

Waiting for the defenders to slander sam for having an opinion 😭

[@nman551]

I saw one

[@hopegalaxy]

If we get a 2nd season, we pray this formula isn't repeated again and actually *focuses* on the titular character.

[@ronancarmody4962]

As a high school bowling player, I loved the bowling plot.

[@vanovasmith9586]

The thing is, the person who directed the movies, only directed the first episode. Since he had to focus on the next movie.

[@mrmelonman2893]

Personally, i say after movie 3, scrap the live action stuff and instead do 3d or 2d animation. Or at the very least give me a sonic anime pls

[@BritBox777]

Once Paramount drives it into the ground (probably after the success of movie 3) and has to sell off, that's when we'll see a switch to animation.

[@DanPlotMix]

@@BritBox777 They could do both considering TMNT doing animation (Mutant Mayhem) and live-action (The Last Ronin) at the same time.

[@HellfireComms]

I thought it was mid, but had some decent stuff. Knuckles' relationship with Wade, a lot of the comedy, decent action. The pacing and the obvious (not enough Knuckles) means I can't give it more than a 6/10. I can live with that since it's clearly not meant to be a big event, but I won't be as generous for the next TV show.

[@danielvalencia9218]

I appreciate the honest thoughts on this. I actually enjoyed the show and still found it entertaining but I think you're criticisms are spot on. Knuckles really does deserve better.

[@sapphirezx315]

I would've done things differently for the Knuckles show, especially if time and money weren't an issue

[@Luke_Craft]

I'm with you on this, I felt that it was strongest in the first two episodes, but by episode 3, I began to get bored of it. Knuckles' character was not given the spotlight it needed, and when they did reference things from the games' history or even things from the movie series itself, they flopped hard. I disagree with their vision for not only Knuckles' show, but also the movies! They think it needs to fit pop-culture references, flossing, TikTok dances, cringy jokes that only the kids of today would get in order for it to be successful, and they're being blinded by the success given to them by us for the things they did correctly. They're winning in monetary value, people are getting in the seats at the theaters and buying subscriptions to watch this show, and buying into the marketing sponsors they advertise in both... But they're failing to capture the essence of what we loved about the games. They're failing to capture the heart and spirit of Sonic and his friends... You can bet they're probably gonna do a pretty great job with the things they do correctly in Sonic Movie 3, but they're still going to rely on the crutch of human characters that no one cares about, and cameos or casting of popular actors and actresses, putting their money on, in my opinion, the things that are not important. I want to see a series that does the Sonic franchise justice. So far, there have been a lot of ups, but there have also been a fair bit of sacrifices in exchange that I'm starting to feel like are not worth being made.

[@charmyzard]

If this is how the new universe is turning out, Movie 3 may just not turn out good.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

Jeff Fowler was the main director/writer of the first episode if i remember correctly, he's the main director of the movies and people really liked the first episode most, including me. so please don't lose hope on the movies just yet... they said this show wasn't made for a quick buck, but forming my own opinions after watching it and coming to agree with sam, it most definitely damn was!

[@brothsipper-h5o]

Bruh chill out most of the show wasn't even directed by the movie director, the only one directed by them is the first episode which was good

[@theoneandonlymystichydra]

Jeff Fowler wrote the first episode, and that’s the best one. I think movie 3 will be fine tbh

[@Rishi123456789]

I probably won't watch the Knuckles show BECAUSE I'm a huge Knuckles fan but I think the third movie will probably be good because Keanu FUCKING Reeves is in it.

[@SeasonalGFilms]

Paramount really needs to make up for this.

[@magolor1119]

I think the reason why this show had a very limited budget is because they could be saving up their budget for Sonic Movie 3.

[@demonranger3097]

I agree entirely with the sentiment of what's being said here, not that knuckles didn't deserve a show, but that he deserved SO MUCH MORE than what WAS here... I'm sorry, I am just still mind-boggled at the fact that knuckles is getting some sort of love in any capacity at all... because ever since Shadow's introduction, knuckles has been sidelined so hard and unnecessarily, for no reason, being stripped of everything the movie universe amazingly portrayed with his character/presence and spotlight then 'turning him into' and sidelining him to cameo, nostalgia-bait garbage with nothing and no reasons to like him to begin with (in the games)...( being a knuckles fan is rough, and I am not kidding when I say that ever since this was ANNOUNCED, this was my most anticipated project in the sonic franchise... YES, ABOVE PRIME, FRONTIERS, AND EVEN THE 3RD MOVIE. So it pains me to not be fully satisfied with this show (ex. story potential FOR KNUCKLES) AND see this type of drama surrounding the character, WHEN ALL I SO DESPERATELY WANT IS TO SEE MY BOY WIN... All I pray 🙏 is that the paramount just doesn't follow in the wrong directions the games did with the writing AND with knuckles by either: accepting mediocrity (due to 'positive' feedback) OR just sidelining knuckles ONCE AGAIN AFTER FINALLY GIVING HIM EVERYTHING THE CHARACTER HAS NEEDED FOR ALMOST 2 DECADES (due to 'negative' feedback)... I similarly, just really care about these characters and universe as well as the general impact and positive nature this franchise can and does bring to people who experience it and I appreciate your heart to heart at the end of the video, in fact it also helped to motivated me to type this all out to begin with... At this point I am just scared shitless for what the future entails for this universe in the franchise after this show (And ESPECIALLY FOR KNUCKLES, as a character and FEATURE to this franchise, and I just pray that the 3rd movie quells all those fears, and the +Shows to follow learn the CORRECT lessons there is to be learned from This show. I just hope this FRANCHISE properly fulfills and lives up to (in some capacities) the endless possibilities the horrizon could have for us...

[@Cal_03]

At least prime had things you'd expect from a sonic show That said it's depressing how we've had 2 mediocre - bad shows in a row now 🗿

[@Keef220D]

How the heck was sonic prime bad?

[@Cal_03]

@@Keef220D a lot of filler and annoying characters

[@filipvadas7602]

1. As I expected, Knuckles, his dinamic with Wade and the effects & references were the best part of the show The first 2 episodes were by far the best. Episode 3 was still good I'd say, but its literally all downhill from there. The latter half of the show has *atrocious pacing* , Knuckles' arc felt unearned and the shocking amount of focus on Wade over Knuckles is annoying 2. I think the reason the show honestly feels "off" is because its forced to deal with two factors out of its control: A) A lack of game characters - Sonic and the game cast are probably at their best interacting with *each other* and since they haven't introduced anyone else like Rouge or just even minor characters like The Chaotix, and with Sonic & Tails have a passing role, Knuckles is forced to carry the show on his own basically (don't get me wrong, I like Wade as a character and I like that we get more depth to him, but he's not the reason we're watching) B) Lack of focus - the main reason I can see them not introducing more game characters through this show or doing bigger stuff with the show as a whole is that they're not trying to pull and MCU (yet!) They don't want to force people to basically have to do "homework" to keep up with the larger story Which is a fine decision, but that leaves this show in a very weird spot where it needs to have a plot, but not so much that its a mandatory watch for Sonic 3 but not so little that it feels like a pointless endeavor. Its a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation.

[@benjaminsmfernandez1991]

Knuckles at 5 below Knuckles at 5 below Knuckles at 5 below Knuckles at 5 below Knuckles at 5 below Knuckles at 5 belo-👏💥

[@brandonadam7167]

Not surprised that this show was underwhelming. I think it was obvious that this was supposed to be a quick cash-grab for Paramount while Sonic 3's in production. And I'm not surprised that they deviated from the lore of the games, since honestly the Sonic movies so far have been their own thing and don't stick to the lore of the original games at all. I just hope that Sonic 3 does Shadow justice and that the movie is essentially a retelling of Sonic Adventure 2 with more emphasis on Robotnik's background, Maria, and Shadow's character. Something tells me they aren't going to stick to the lore for this 3rd film, but I hope I'm wrong.

[@pixelit7]

Hey Sam, please do not give into the people who wrongly bash you for your own opinions. Unfortunately, the nicest people sometimes get the worst of it. Keep up the good work man

[@Butwhythough881]

I initially thought that The Buyer was going to be a weird human adaptation of Fang the hunter, with the GUN agents being his human equivalents to Bark and Bean. As for Knuckles’ side, I think it would’ve been better to take multiple people under his wing aside from just Wade, maybe include not just Wade’s Mother and Sister, but also Maddie’s sister and Crazy Carl and have a human version of Team Chaotix.

[@rpmguy648]

"So, what villain from the games is gonna be big bad of this show?" "What do you mean 'villain from the games?' We're just gonna make up some random guy in a robot suit and give him no personality."

[@ModeratelyAveraged]

I think the tone was supposed to be a mix of comedy/adventure show and knuckles being the supposed serious character out of the sonic team being put in the show with the goofy wade makes the show amazing imo i love it so much

[@Youserveallpurpose]

I not only agree with most of what you're saying, but I also agree with what you said in the last bit of this video. The Sonic community needs to grow up cause now It's any time you even critique anything, even if it's constructive criticism. These people are like "its a great show your just a meany🤓" This community needs to grow up and figure out that just because someone critiques, something does not mean you get to be toxic back to someone. If you liked it, then that's okay. Someone else might not like it, but you can't force someone to like something. And it feels like this community is turning into the genshin community, and i hate that community. We need to do better as a community and as people and learn to agree to disagree.

[@maikayee246]

Genshin...do you remember the game awards, when the sonic fandom insulted the chinese playerbase? and LOST AS A RESULT?

[@Youserveallpurpose]

@maikayee246 Don't use that as an argument to say that the sonic community is more toxic than genshin. Also, that wasn't even all of the sonic community that was a small minority that was just being toxic. Also, if the Sonic community is as toxic as genshin, then what about the time when the genshin community sent death threats to hoyoverse about a bunny costume in honkai impact 3rd and even death threats to HSR community because hsr was getting better rewards than genshin. I can keep going, but we'd be here forever. Either way, don't say that the Sonic community is more toxic than genshin when that was one time, and it never happened again.

[@BritBox777]

Sam, I know you've gone through some stuff with this franchise, but when the smoke clears you've been right basically every time. So don't let anyone get you down about how you feel.

[@bubbakins18]

I fully believe that they could've used the money they spent on licensed music for more Knuckles screen time. Saying that paramount didn't have the budget for Knuckles to be the main character is BULLSHIT Paramount is easily one of the biggest companies that already makes a shit ton of money every year. If peacock can make a series where Ted is the main character in every episode i don't see why Paramount can't do the same

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

Not only that but Ted genuinely had great human characters! But that’s mainly cause it’s based on its own brand rather than a previously exsisting video game franchise

[@bluebaron6858]

Big company doesn't know how to use resources properly. A tales as old as time.

[@misstangshan95]

It made me emotional to see you at the end Sam. I'm so sorry that certain people are targeting you for having an honest opinion about something. Some people in this fanbase have to understand there are sometimes things to be negative about.

[@deltadash5403]

Make a video about you being so happy for the knuckle show, and the crying after watching it LOL! I love how the trailer didn't have any dialogue regarding Bowling, Wade family, pistol pete, the bounty hunters. It's like they knew all the worst parts of the show and left them out of the trailer.

[@ArcherXYZ]

I've said it once before on my profile and I'll say it here. The whole "Teaching Wade the ways of the echidna warrior" was a complete waste of time. And in my opinion, the directors that directed the other 5 episodes had no clear direction to take the story and it's weird. I did love the action that was supplied in the show and I'm glad Knuckles still acted the same as he did near the end of Sonic 2. Idris Elba is still entertaining as Knuckles. And I still like Adam Pally's Wade, but he was pretty annoying ESPECIALLY Edi Patterson's Wanda. The agents and The Buyer were VERY uninteresting characters, ESPECIALLY Pete Whipple. Overall...this was very disappointing and it does make me a bit scared for future Sonic series.

[@kineticmediahub-enlightenment]

After watching this video, I have to say that Sam is a true role model for Sonic fans everywhere! Now for my opinion: I can't deny that I liked the show and thought it was good, but it is good! Nothing more, nothing less. I agree and feel the same way Same does with almost every he said here, though I will admit that I personally found the musical bit to be very funny. My biggest complaint with this series is that Sonic and Tails we're not seen again after the first episode, as Tails and Knuckles are my 2nd favourite Sonic characters with Sonic obviously being my favourite! I would've liked to at least see them in the post-credits scene where Knuckles informs them of his adventure if not providing minor assistance in the final battle against the Buyer. Overall it's like Sam said, the Knuckles show could've been so much better.

[@JayFoxFire]

I agree

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

I haven’t watched the show yet, and I’m most likely not going to. But this Knuckles show, with some of its really harsh criticisms from KZbinrs like Channel Pup (he is this show’s #1 hater; I’ve never seen him so pissed off before), ultimately made me come to the conclusion that movie franchises should not go down the TV route ever, because they can only make a plot that would fill in a movie runtime. They can’t make an interesting plot that would fill up a TV show’s runtime. Besides having a premise be about Knuckles’ story with Wade in it instead of vice versa, the Knuckles show would’ve been so much better if it was a movie instead of a TV show.

[@EWOODJ]

I tend to give zero F’s about people’s opinions until I see it myself because most of the time I tend to enjoy what most scream their lungs out that they hate.

[@Stripes404]

Man, I feel you. This show is mediocre and underwhelming. In my opinion though that doesn't mean it's bad. But I respect you and your opinion saying it's terrible. And god, that part where you start tearing up because of incompetent Sonic fans made me cry inside.

[@Stripes404]

BTW, I think I'm the 0.000002% of all people who watched Knuckles who actually loves the bowling scene.

[@EWOODJ]

This comment section I swear. I mean you guys call anyone who likes anything you don't "defensive shills" and "accepting mediocrity" as if you know what's right for the franchise. People say it’s always good to speak up and voice opinions yet *those same people* have the audacity call those who enjoy the show “people willing to consume mediocrity”. You know you guys can criticize a show without making fun of or belittling people who actually like it. That’s called being a hypocrite. Fuck you if you do that.

[@Stripes404]

Literally this comment right here. Could NOT agree more. If someone hates the show, that's fine. If someone likes the show, that's also fine. Don't hate on others because they want to spread their opinions.

[@Butwhythough881]

No. Just no. Just because one side does it does not give the other side the right to do the same in return. A majority of people I’ve seen across all platforms who dislike this show express that they dislike the show and leave others who like it out of their critique. Maybe 3% of what you’re talking about actually happens. If anything, It’s the other side who does *THE EXACT THING YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!!* So don’t you dare come in here and tell people that they can give their opinion without “making fun of or belittling people,” especially after y’all just got done doing the same damn thing with Sonic Frontiers. Night and day you people shat on those who criticized Frontiers, from its gameplay reveal, all the way up to its launch and subsequent updates. Yet it’s those “hypocrites” you call them that helped give us The Final Horizon update and all the additional content we got. Had Sega and Sonic Team listened to people like you, Frontiers would be in the same state that it was at launch. You braindead buffoons drove a man to tears for fuck sake and yet *YOU’RE THE VICTIMS* and pull the “well the other side is equally terrible” card?!?! *FUCK! OFF!*

[@Butwhythough881]

No… Just no. After the sheer harassment that you people inflicted onto Sam to the point of driving him to LITERAL TEARS. You don’t get to play the “well the other side is just as bad” card. Out of all the criticisms I’ve seen against the Knuckles series or heck anything Sonic related, across all platforms a majority of it has stuck to specifically the shows quality. Maybe 2% of it revolves around what you’re claiming. If anything, it’s the toxic positive side that does *THE EXACT THING YOU’RE ACCUSING THEM OF DOING!!!!!* So don’t you dare come in here and try to say that people can give their opinions “without making fun of or belittling people”, especially after y’all just got done crapping on people who were critical of Colors Ultimate, Frontiers, and Superstars. Night and day you people tore into anyone who criticized Sonic Frontiers, from its initial gameplay reveal, all the way up to its launch and subsequent updates. It’s actually laughable who these “hypocrites” or “critics” that you like to call them were the ones that helped us get things like the story update and the additional content that was added through updates. Had Sega and Sonic Team listened to people like you, who a majority give nothing but blanket statements and snuff out any criticism because you’ve tied so much of this franchise to your self-esteem and identity, Frontiers would still be in the exact same state that it was at launch. There’s nothing wrong with being a fan of Sonic. But if you let your love of the franchise drive you to bully a popular Sonictuber, someone who has been pretty positive with the franchise in recent days and wants the franchise to grow, into breaking down in tears and then write a comment where you try to play victim saying that people should like and dislike whatever they want, that’s hypocrisy in its purest form buddy.

[@garfieldodie3106]

I wasn't a huge fan of the movies to begin with, so I'm not really surprised to see the way the Knuckles show turned out. Definitely is a huge shame, I wish we could get another sonic series like Sat AM or Sonic X, yknow. I just feel the people who are in charge of Sonic right now have a very loose grip on what the series really is.

[@j19aiden91]

I'm convinced Paramount truly wanted to make live action films, but knew that nobody would watch them. So they got the Sonic characters to ensure the low budget aspects could eventually replace the Sonic & friends.

[@ConnorXcrash]

This show missed the mark completely for me. The way that they marketed it was horrendous as well! Even the fact that they cut corners with some of the animation ALL BECAUSE OF HOW THEY SPENT THE BUDGET! I am devastated because I had such high hopes for this show, and the fact that Jeff Fowler, Sega, and Paramount gave the okay on the writing and the direction they took baffles me. I literally could not sleep after finishing this series.

[@alanlopez2071]

Even though the show had some good moments, unfortunately the bad outweighs the good. They could've had an interesting premise here if the story and writing sticked the landing but it ended up being pretty disappointing. For the people that enjoyed the show, more power to you but like how you mentioned, hopefully it's not like this moving forward.

[@Mecha-tel]

I liked how you were switching between Paramount's, perspective and us the viewers idk i just feel it's really good.btw banger video as usual!.

[@tjz3158]

Honestly I’m right with you Sam I’m tired of just settling for the bare minimum with this franchise and these characters, they deserve better should get better but every single time it’s always something that ruins the overall experience of the project.

[@Peasham]

I mean you say that like y'all ain't gonna suck the new movie off something fierce cuz le epic chungus Keanu Reeves lmao

[@tjz3158]

@@Peasham I didn’t do that to the first two movies and I especially didn’t do that with Superstars & Frontiers as well

[@Stupaipai]

I've heard people say "it's a good show. It's just not a good Sonic show."

[@dartstudios3136]

One of the most annoying thing to me is that we don't get a scene of Maddie or Sonic realize that Knuckles is gone. He's been gone for DAYS and they never check up on him. Guys I thought you were his family !!! Another thing I wanted to point out is the bowling thing could of work....just make the prize a chaos emerald maybe you could start the series by making Knuckles help Wade and his tournement then find out the prize is a chaos emerald(maybe it's attach to the trophie)Now by doing that you have the states higher cuz you know powerful gem could destroy the world(better than some family drama) it could also be a better set up for the third movie. It's honestly better than some off comment that went over my head the first time I watch it.

[@BritBox777]

You think the writers even knew about that? They took their $10 and bolted.

[@dartstudios3136]

@@BritBox777 I wouldn't be shock at that point. It honestly piss me off as a Knuckles fan but also as an aspiring writer.

[@thebrainnameditself9530]

In retrospect, the movies themselves aren't great either. I rewatched sonic 2 earlier and man is it underwhelming. Tails is almost nothing but an exposition dump character, no music from the games, Sonic and Tails' journey honestly had little to no substance, I could go on but the movie speaks for itself

[@Peasham]

That's what I've been saying, this is literally just everything wrong with the movies (which is to say, this is just the movies) and they did it because everyone acted like they liked the movies lmao

[@Andythesonicfan]

The movies are overrated in my opinion and I'm a HUGE sonic fan

[@thomas1rye]

I'm an art student, so I understand. I saw the parallels with everything between the bars and mostly every shot in the knuckles series.. everything... people can not see the connections and parallels between SA 1 and 2. But this is my full thoughts. I am an art student at my core, and I understand the frustration with the fans and the art of sonic as a unifying brand, but i wish people would also understand and really look at the big picture. it's a connection with real family and friends. see the points and details they're setting up for the big screen. shots and feel. it's sa1 through black knight era ideas. it's treading old waters with a new modern spin for Sonic, and I can see it. the parallels of the dark era are there. I see were the writers are coming from for the bigg set up for sonic 3. re-watch it and think. I know what they are setting for this movie. it's a retelling and expansion of the sonic lore so parents and friends can understand because we are in the spring season. very adventure in terms of feel and environment. they are fixing the past dark era and shedding light on all the memories with family tied to the Sonic brand. "In the sky." Ring any bells. sounds very similar to the arc and spending time with family to me... Falling down and making leads to the actual story of SA 1 and 2. This is a reinterpretation of the story, and it is well done art wise. making it for modern audience and family is very good. Sonic is a family brand now because kids love sonic. people in the fanbase need to know that. turn the show on and bond with your family. the release was right on time with finals and college. these artist know what they are doing, but Sonic fans are so hot head about just the characters, and the lore changing. I see the humans and team sonic working together. that's the theme. Sonic fans just need to do research and really think. look at the shots and make connections to the last adventures... I saw my sibling having fun for the first time in 3 years. sonic is for kids, but we need to grow up.-@thomas1rye.

[@thomas1rye]

"it's all about family Tom" - donut lord. the points are there. it's just a parody of family's and there kids playing a sonic game and being lost with what they're seeing. it's like a funny poke at the fans who overthink sonic lore. it's just nostalgia amplified to the max. this was meant for creatively driven families to watch... it's mood boards done right. I feel at home with this giving the adventure feel. it shocked me with how close the family dynamic was. the message is loud and clear. its for kids to sit with parents to bond and share the love for sonic. long story short -@thomas1rye

[@cutiepieblufish]

I personally think of this show as: Wade the Warrior I expected the Knuckles series to go into Knuckle's backstory as he helped Wade become a stronger cop through the information he gives, while in turn Wade helps Knuckles adjust to his new life on Earth. Extremely disappointed.

[@Topg1]

I like the comedy. But, I was disappointed that knuckles was sidelined in his own show. I didn’t like how they summed up knuckles backstory.

[@numb4102]

I definitely wouldve wanted more knuckles even if the animation quality was somewhat sacrificed. I couldnt even finish half the show lmao