Why Being An Amazon Driver Is A Total Nightmare

A listener calls in to discuss how Amazon surveils its drivers. The caller claims that there are cameras inside the van that tracks everything the driver does down to their eye movement, and will regularly issue infractions to the driver even when unwarranted.
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Thanks for taking my call. This is Jordan from Southern California. Jordan from Southern California what's on your mind. Hey, I was calling because I'm an Amazon delivery driver. I'm usually listening to the show while on the road but I took the day off today because I'm sick from the long wake. The cats are talking earlier about AI and how it's threatening the workforce. and I was also remembering the interview Emma that you did with I think it was Adrian Han on gamification and I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on the work environment I'm in every day. Because when I talk to friends and family about it or even other drivers they seem a little ambivalent or even like Pro the surveillance I'm under. Because they believe what Amazon says is that it's all for driver safety and on-the-road safety. Which I think is a total lie and this van is basically Big Brother. Are you guys aware of the degree to which Amazon drivers are surveyed? I mean I'm aware I was more conscious of the factories and I know that there's like a certain timeline and you can you have to be out of the truck for you can't be out of the truck for too long. the bathroom breaks stuff sort of yeah permeated a little bit too. Well but yeah be more specific with this. big there's like a there's a camera under the rearview mirror it is an AI camera surveillance system in all the Amazon vans that have four cameras a forward-facing camera pointed at the road a camera on each side and a camera pointed toward the driver. The camera marks safety infractions and reports them. Not very effectively. As the driver pointed camera looks for distracted driving. Which I have been dinged because I was scratching my face so then I thought I was talking on the phone. It's marked people for screwing off the cap of their water bottles. The camera tracks the driver's eyes so that if you are looking away from the road for five seconds or longer you get a safety infraction. The other cameras also have their own list of safety infractions that it looks for. Wow, that's insane. Yeah, it's insane.

[@maxofamerica]

I did it for almost a year, our only reward for hard efficient work was more workload and the same time expectations. It was insane

[@Seditionzz]

Yup no bonuses, not even a gift card

[@kobyschechter8163]

I’ve made my decision to resign. My workload that I would get every day was freaking excessive. I had 405 packages this past Tuesday and then 412 on Wednesday. It’s just too much. I also wouldn’t get to my routes on most days until 12:00 PM and sometimes close to 1:00 PM. I wouldn’t get home earlier than 8:00 PM. Sometimes I would get home after 10:00 PM. I literally cannot do it anymore. I’ve made my decision to go back to school and try to get a degree.

[@maxofamerica]

@@kobyschechter8163 congrats man, get out of there and remember what you’re worth at any job or task you do going forward

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

Amazon wants high turnover, they don't want you to be happy there or there for long

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

Also don't buy from Amazon

[@alexanderkroto-pennix4327]

Finally. When y’all found out about the bottles of urine during the pandemic nobody BLINKED. All of it and more was true. I was a driver. It was horrible.

[@redlightmax]

4:01 I remember the tweet that denied it (before Amazon admitted it was true) by Amazon News: "1/2 You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you? If that were true, nobody would work for us. The truth is that we have over a million incredible employees around the world who are proud of what they do, and have great wages and health care from day one."🤥

[@zachlewis2751]

​@@redlightmax Jeffry: *helth increases

[@757-David]

I drank a gatorade at the beginning of my route, then used it for that later in my route everyday.

[@alexanderkroto-pennix4327]

@Minneapolis David That was a very common tactic, I did as well. At the gas station to refill at the end of the route, I would throw it away and the shame of holding a bottle of my urine and trying to hide it was... a lot.

[@757-David]

@@alexanderkroto-pennix4327 exact same here, I would throw it away at the gas station end of shift everyday lol

[@baker003]

Worked as a Amazon driver during 2020. The expectations are stupid. Twenty deliveries per hour is your requirement as a driver and if you do 19 deliveries in an hour DSP will call your device and interrogate you wondering why you're falling behind. I brought a 32oz Gatorade with me every shift to hydrate and use as a bathroom to avoid falling behind. If you are delivering to an apartment complex and you are not able to gain entry you are required to text the customer and call them before marking the package as undeliverable and an Amazon employee will always grill you when you return to the warehouse with packages. Several times I was sent out with so many packages I could not freely roam the cargo area of the van, making it impossible to stay on schedule. They track your speed, your cornering, how hard you brake, etc. If you are dinged you could show up ready to drive the next day and they'll send you home for disciplinary reasons without telling you ahead of time.

[@watamatafoyu]

Free market does not mean good jobs. People need to stop believing this lie politicians are pushing. Leaving the job is not much of an option when the best job available has unreasonable or inhumane expectations and anything less is worse. We need base requirements for humane treatment, good pay, and benefits. If a company can't survive doing that, then they're not doing legit business.

[@williehardiman6766]

Bruh, I was a driver from late 2021- early 2022 and that shit was for the birds. Pay ain't even that impressive for all the bullshit they put on you.

[@MT-nz5ef]

I worked in one of the warehouses to make some extra $ for the holidays once, it was HELL & expectations were unrealistic af unless you were a robot.

[@watamatafoyu]

@@MT-nz5ef I read Bezos say Amazon couldn't make money without those brutal conditions. He sees them simply as "efficient". He does it because people accept it.

[@bearbear5383]

They sent me home TWO days last week for not texting that I was coming in. Then today called me LESS THAN AN HOUR before work to stay oh don’t come in your performance was bad yesterday. Although I finished they said I was behind. But yesterday they asked me to take the day off cus “too many workers today” but if that’s the case they shouldn’t have to overload us if they have more than enough hands on call.

[@tkbikesnc6079]

There's people working for Amazon delivery making 16.50 an hour and not being able to afford rent/food much less a vehicle to get to work. They work 10 hour days delivering 300+ packages to upwards of 200 different addresses. Amazon does this thing called grouped stops that screws drivers and deflates the number of units delivered to. It's supposed to be there for apartments but the app will assign you a grouped stop in neighborhoods where you're delivering to three separate houses but count it as one stop. Just a way they can try to claim that Amazon delivery drivers aren't doing "that much more work" than the other carriers. Everything Amazon does logistically trickles down to the drivers and only ever causes more work. Their engine off compliance this summer is literally going to kill workers. They require you to cut the ignition and air conditioning off at every single stop so the trucks are just never cooling off at all. Doing 180+ stops in 100 degree weather in the humid south is insane. I quit delivering after 6 months, it had some fun times and it was an adventurous job. I learned a lot about my city and all the small sections of town I'd normally have never seen. Regardless, the Amazon DSP system is really awful for workers and they deserve to be called out like this at a much larger scale.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Maybe they should budget better.

[@MajorReynolds92]

i can add that the air conditioning is mostly useless on the small vans anyway as it never reaches even a bit into the back compartment where you spend most of your time on your route; which are genuinely insane as you mentioned, even the smaller ones after they take you off "nursery routes" are almost impossible to actually finish on time without forgoing both 15 minute rest breaks, pissing in a bottle (which i never did, i held it or grudgingly used a rest break to do my business) and cutting corners on safety standards *they themselves train you in before starting you*, and the stops are so ridiculously variable in terms of what you'll have to lug with you, one stop you might just have a single plastic envelope, but then the next you get 6 big ass boxes going to 3 different apartments each on different floors of the same complex and oh did i mention your van sometimes doesn't come with a dolly so have fun balancing those cumbersome boxes while trying to open doors and dial in keypad codes, that is if the boxes aren't so big that you can't even carry them all in one go, oh god and the third party lockers, dont get me wrong lockers are great but every single time i encountered third party lockers there wasn't enough lockers free to be able to get all the packages in, meaning i'd have to take the rest to the front doors of each apartment, wasting even more time, christ i could go on and on... i still mock those 2 rest breaks they give you, since taking even one of them almost guarantees you're gonna need a rescue from another driver

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@MajorReynolds92 goddamn you lefties cry a lot. Get a better job.

[@tkbikesnc6079]

@@MajorReynolds92 Ha. I had an apartment complex on my route that had their third party grey crap lockers down. For a week I delivered 30+ different deliveries to units doors in a maze complex. A few of the buildings I couldn't get into without waiting for people to open the door of the garage. One day they had a sign at the leasing office saying packages were being stolen and to leave them with the leasing office instead of doors. I was like hell yeah because I had been staying an hour or later on route to finish my deliveries because of this one. Fast forward to the next week I had 5 complaints from that apartment complex and they took me off route for a week because of my CDF from that one stop. They're truly just trying to make the job as impossible as they can. Even when you do things correctly they will punish you with impunity. I really hope the folks remaining at my DSP stay safe this summer and don't croak. They had some older folks in not the best shape. Also our DSP step vans worked great because they were DOT but the sprinter vans AC barely worked anyway.

[@tkbikesnc6079]

@@markzuckergecko621 Budget minimum $1200 rent here and expenses at $16.50 an hour including taxes taken out. I'll wait.

[@jcvastgoed1490]

Amazon is going to be in major trouble for this over here in Europa . Court has decided it’s against EU privacy regulations to just start filming the streets as a company regardless their reasoning .

[@davidhunternyc1]

This Amazon driver MUST call the Intercept and an article must be written.

[@vinsanity40k]

seems some workers (who are planning to quit anyway) may have to wear some sort of wire and go undercover for the others. unless amazon searches for that sort of thing too.

[@titaniumismagical8643]

Years ago, every manufacturer had their own unionized truck drivers. Now they just contract out with non-union trucking companies to do their shipping. It's been going on for 4 decades. That's why the trucker turnover rate is astronomical, and why being a truck driver is a joke.

[@impossiblypossible3755]

unions suck

[@rebeccachambers4701]

everythign is, its hte american joke instead of dream, adn we are all punchlines

[@michaeltorris5675]

@@rebeccachambers4701 nailed it.

[@rs72098]

In some ways this gave birth their biggest competition which is the "Owner/Operator" who now control the majority of the market. In other words big trucking companies lost many employees to independent trucking which in some ways is a good thing. Most owner/operators make over $300,000 a year. However you're still correct, many truckdrivers quit because the initial low pay and ridiculous hours, and finding a place to park. Not to mention the problems with shippers who will barely give you any room to dock, or truck stops that force you to blindside park. There are lots of issues with truckdriivng and turnover will get worse.

[@titaniumismagical8643]

@@rs72098 it created competition between company drivers and owner operators. They've used one side against the other to keep the rates low for decades. It's illegal for owner operators to organize for a reason. In the mid 80s, they also began the scams of driver lease programs, with no option to ever own the truck. There are other scams too with their lease programs. Now they have Uber brokering out freight and we all know Uber is a losing proposition. When the government implemented the fluctuating fuel surcharge to counter the high fuel costs, it was actually their way to keep trucking rates and wages low, while everyone else profited. The middle man brokers kept the fuel money, and all they did was make the phone calls. I was mainly a company driver for most of my career, but I bought a tractor in 2007. I went bankrupt and lost everything a couple years later. If Arizona Iced Tea raised those 99c cans to a dollar, and gave me 20% of that penny increase, I wouldn't have lost everything I owned. I was lucky if I took home 50 dollars for a 10 hour day at that point. Some days it would cost me money, and I did everything to avoid tolls. I had to decline work at that point.

[@ad7711x]

The DSP’s only care about keeping expenses low. You never get an 8 hour day. If you’re too slow and even if you’re not slow, they will send another driver to take some of your packages. And the GPS sucks ass

[@googlyeyedcat]

Years ago when I worked at a nursing home here the nursing director wanted to install cameras that faced the nurse's desks so that she could record us to see what we were doing. Fortunately the administrator didn't let her do it which was good.

[@stefanlvkc7986]

Had an intern start at my company a couple of weeks ago. Here is how a 1st day convo went: Intern: "When I do my timesheet, do I put in my time I spend in mandatory training?" Me: "Of course. Why would you not?" Intern: "Because it's training and not work. My previous employer never let us get paid for training." Me: "Are you required to to these trainings?" Intern: "Yes" Me: "Would you do these trainings in your own free time for yourself?" Intern: "No" Me: "Are these trainings taking time away from you at the employer's benefit?" Intern: "Yes" Me: "Then that is work and you should be paid." Intern: "Great. This is much better than the previous place I was. They never paid us for training." Me: "Great. BTW, if you don't mind me asking, what was this previous employer?" Intern: "Amazon." Me: "Seriously? You're telling me that Bezos can afford a dick-shaped rocket to almost-space, but he can't afford to pay intern wages for an hour of your time for training that he requires? That's Bullshit." Intern: "I never thought of it like that". Me: "You need to really start thinking about these things and not taking the bullshit. If you have to spend any of your time on something for an employer, that is work and you should be paid."

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

Wow. Another reason to not buy from Amazon

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

Legally. They legally HAVE TO be paid.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

Lol at "almost-space". Pretty horrific, the things workers put up with, simply because they think it's the norm. This stuff should never become the norm.

[@ReR7474]

They must, but depends each state laws.

[@stefanlvkc7986]

@@taranullius9221 I think that's really the thing. Legally, they are supposed to, but what actually happens is different.

[@melduncan]

Bless this caller for telling us the straight dope. I am done supporting this PoS company

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

I haven't bought from Amazon in years, its really not that hard to get your shit somewhere else

[@MrJayArt]

They just get worse and worse

[@jschnabes13]

I see so many Amazon delivery drivers everyday when I'm out walking/ running. They always look stressed the fuck out and are in insane rush. I feel bad for them every time I see one of them, no worker deserves this type of treatment.

[@ThaStonedGardner]

Amazon drivers need to collectively say no we are not going to work at this higher Pace you hired us individually and we each individually come with our own individual pace. If you want robot delivery drivers then you better go contract with Elon Musk, but until then each of us will work at a pace that is as efficient as it is safe.

[@NITE_PINE]

most every worker currently employed by Amazon is bothered by their poor work environment. That is why their turnover rate is so incredibly high.

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

That is by design

[@Randyy111]

Nobody does anything. They just let it happen. California tried limiting quotas and that's the most I've heard done. And that's for factory workers which is also terrible work

[@NITE_PINE]

I have had the same thing happen to me. I was gave infractions for looking at the directions to the next stop, scratching my face, answering calls from my DSP, and taking a drink or a bite of something. Day one my DSP tells me to ignore the prompts to take a break. They give you Gatorade to drink because the mouth of the bottle is big enough to urinate in. they give you snack cakes and such and ask that you not take a lunch either.

[@zoyadulzura7490]

The fact that these things are legal shows huge gaps in worker protection laws. I'm so glad to see people speaking up about this.

[@Opethianaut]

Its fucked having to hear that but this is another reason for why I quit shopping at Amazon.

[@DrunkenGaladial]

They are making moves toward a system like this at the trucking company where I work. I am keeping my eyes open for openings at companies that don't do this, once this gets instituted where I am I'll be moving on to a different company.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Dont hesitate, you will get fked and it'll only get more difficult to escape

[@danbridges4755]

If Amazon is doing it, it probably won't be too long before most trucking companies implement this. Might want a whole new career honestly

[@titaniumismagical8643]

Years ago, every manufacturer had their own unionized truck drivers. Now they just contract out with non-union trucking companies to do their shipping. It's been going on for 4 decades. That's why the trucker turnover rate is astronomical, and why being a truck driver is a joke. I did it for 33 years, lived paycheck to paycheck, and now I don't even have a pension. I know it's hard to make changes when you already know all your stops and pick-ups, but don't make the same mistake I made. Go where the money and retirement is. Don't be afraid of change.

[@rs72098]

Amazon, Walmart and many other places should have been broken up years ago. They've implemented many anti-union and anti-competitive policies. Comcast and several big tech companies have also done similar things.

[@harrygrosomanidis9699]

Anti-Trust essential at this point in history.

[@czrs85]

It is not easy but the USPS is better long term. Just grateful we have a union. No reason to be a driver for Amazon.

[@danbridges4755]

Unless you can't get a job at USPS perhaps?

[@czrs85]

@@danbridges4755 no I know but if you can always go for the USPS.

[@danbridges4755]

@@czrs85 yeah I just figure it's pretty competitive like any government job

[@czrs85]

@@danbridges4755 actually the post office needs more bodies than most. Since the job is brutal.

[@jameswilliams5921]

​@danbridges4755 I am 19 year City carrier we are short staff too

[@markfx12]

I am a route driver and the company put in warehouse cameras ostensibly for safety reasons. My then manager commented on my truck loading style just days later. Route driving can be one of the most stressful occupations out there. Most workers don't voice their opinion as it does no good. Additionally, good old macho work ethic is celebrated as par for the course, and if/when your body breaks down they just show you the door.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

The actual amount of labor involved has tripled in the last few years.. unlike our wages* i have to go back refill my truck to the roof of the vehicle n i'm usually out til like 7pm.. old heads used to get off at 1pm* now theyre usually there til 5pm (im 2hrs slower cus my route has more packages and im newer n slower)

[@themetalhead1463]

Right now, I’m in the three day orientation for Amazon driver. I am using them and will be walking out tomorrow.

[@TonyRSalazar]

I'm not going to show up tomorrow 😂 fuck em

[@shadowviruz]

@@TonyRSalazar get the free pair of shoes and then quit

[@Indacouch-li8jp]

@@shadowviruzi just finished my third day driving, waiting to see what kind of backlash i will get from the score report from doing questionable maneuvers and everything they told me no to do just to compensate for the glitchy gps and all the 3 point turns i do in random driveways because the gps is always backwards after every stop. i know my boundaries and will grind it out but if their expectations are just unrealistic, im moving on and thank you for the experience, just another skill to put on my resume

[@ChillAssTurtle]

I work at the post office and we have amazon contractors that help with package deliveries cus theyre unbelievably overwhelming.. they get way better vehicles but they get paid less than us and get no benefits even when working 40+ hour weeks.. we're all getting fked but theyre getting fked even harder

[@catwhisperer968]

Yes I quit USPS because of AMAZON abuse. The ugly truth. AMAZON gets major breaks in pricing on shipping to ‘save the post office’ which really hurts everyone. Amazon pays by pound not by piece so they can ship 3,000 pieces into small post office for less than $100 which USPS delivers 😡

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@catwhisperer968 yeah amazon just steals our labor straight up. Its completely psychotic n just so shamelessly obvious..

[@supastratt]

This is why I always give the full array of compliments to Amazon drivers after a delivery. As long as my stuff arrives, I hit that thumbs up in the confirmation email and give them all the compliments, hoping it helps them out a bit. 👍

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

Or you could be enabling Amazon's shit by doing that

[@fusion10sg]

Or maybe don't order from Amazon

[@supastratt]

@@Zachhatesyoutube You've convinced me. No more compliments!

[@supastratt]

@@fusion10sg I'll stop ordering from Amazon when you start minding your own business. 🤗

[@SnareRushJunkie]

​@@supastratt Bragging about doing nothing then being smug on top of it. Good job, buddy.

[@tedmaul5842]

The 'Piss Bottles' that litter miles of Grass verges and Hedgerows surrounding the area of Amazon's first warehouse in the U.K. tells you all you need to know.

[@jonlee580]

People dont understand how under paid, over worked and under appreciated all workers all in amerikkka.. I dont work for amazon but i feel this guys pain.. I work in a factory and some of my co workers have to deal with the boss literally standing there watxhing the working to make sure they produce product.. They dont do it to me because ill stop what im doing and tell them if i can help them or i just go super slow while looking at the boss over my shoulder to let him know he is actually distracting me and slowing me down due to making me feel uncomfortable so they stay away from me but harrass workwrs by literally looking over the workwrs shoulder, being a worker in todays time take away so much of ur spirit and joy from life

[@madmaxfzz]

My favorite line is, "I've got TWO speeds... this one, and STOP!"

[@Drrck11]

That first caller must have been on an...Amazon phone 😄

[@timothycrowe3247]

Bro.... What happens if another car hits you or a dog bites you, someone breaks into your van. You want that Camera. And your company has the power to dispute the violations. This information is totally wrong.

[@heidithesausage]

They basically want people to operate like robots, whilst destroying them with stress & anxiety. Just so Jeff can go to space

[@brutusthebuttress1476]

How do you think they build the piramids 😢

[@heidithesausage]

@@brutusthebuttress1476 labour

[@andybarboza9134]

I’m glad this is coming to light, had a DSP supervisor call me on my day off to tell me I was running slow when all I did was bust my tail off. I asked a guy who came to rescue my packages one time (wasn’t really a rescue but wanted to cut OT hours) if he ran, he said no. Worse company to work for, I left after my back went out, couldn’t even enjoy my days off but now I’m healthy after being gone for 2 years.

[@catwhisperer968]

Damn Amazon

[@wavydon1960]

Them damn Swagbucks.

[@cormorant_on_arock7934]

I've worked for both Amazon and FedEx. Amazon is a CAKE WALK compared to FedEx. I kid you not, I delivered almost 375 packages in almost 200 stops (after a 50 minute commute to the delivery area), yet it was STILL like a day off compared to a day of FedEx - where they deliver a gigantic van FULL of packages, many of which are very heavy, some of which are so ridiculously big and heavy that it makes the heaviest package you see all day at Amazon seem like it is light. Also, I am pretty sure FedEx managers surveil the drivers via the camera twice as much - mostly because they have half or even a quarter of the drivers, usually, so the managers have all day to jump from one to the next, of like 8 drivers. It is asinine. Amazon is a walk in the park compared to it.

[@Indacouch-li8jp]

i just started driving, honestly the delivery aren’t so bad but i know i will get crucified very soon for doing everything they told me not to do during training, the gps sucks, the instructions are a headache sometimes because customers wants u to do this but amazon wants u to do it this way and your dsp has some confusing work around for it, i’m just trying it to try it, but i honestly believe Amazon is evil and played a big part in tanking the economy, 90% of stimulus money went directly to amazon during covid

[@jazzanarchy1342]

This caller was never seen or heard from again

[@joshheitman6832]

I used to work for Amazon and they are very brutal. I worked at one of the warehouses and those are just as ruthless as their trucks. They always demand you meet the set rate and they always raise it too. They also do not allow any kind of mistakes to be made. That’s not even humanly possible. How is it that they want you to work fast and not make a single mistake? I was there for nine months and I was terminated from my job just for going out of town for a wedding. Since then, I have cut all ties with Amazon and I refuse to buy anything from there ever again

[@Randyy111]

They definitely make sure every worker suffers. It's like that jail experiment movie

[@joshheitman6832]

@@Randyy111 yep! They did the same things during the Gilded Age too. It’s like we’re repeating history

[@rebeccachambers4701]

I cant even do driving jobs anymore

[@Rizzlyricist]

"Can you hear me?" 💀

[@GenericMinority]

I used to be an amazon driver and I can confirm the Amazon trucks do constantly watch you and your eye placement. Which is made worse by the fact that the cup holder is lower to the ground so you can't reach down to grab a drink even at a stop because the camera is still watching you despite that. Also let it be known, Amazon doesn't actually provide many trucks. Each individual dispatch company (they have small dispatch companies that provide the drivers, Amazon are just the warehouse/corporate handlers) has a fleet of rental trucks (Budget or Hertz for example) so most dispatches get around it by having their more "seasoned" drivers take those so the new ones won't have their driving score drop because the actual Amazon trucks are brutal. I drove an Amazon truck once and lost about 50 points in one day. I have a multitude of delivery papers that show how many packages and stops we have to deliver/make a day. We can peak at around 350-400 packages a day. Also they have you place an app on your personal phone that is supposed to track your hours but it also tracks your location and if you are "off route" your dispatch will call you. I once went on lunch and drove off route to go to my brothers nearby to use the bathroom and they still called me and asked why I was "Off route".

[@MothGirl007]

That's so scary and weird.

[@GenericMinority]

@@MothGirl007 Not really scary (to me at least), I've worked other jobs where the contractor kept tabs on us with cameras and gps trackers (mostly my security jobs, but those one make more sense). It was mostly annoying, dumb, and sets you up for failure because they are looking for you to do something wrong as opposed to looking out for you. Plus a bunch of working class stiff middle managers keeping tabs on you for their corporate daddies is just an exercise entropy for keeping good workings. Had the same problem in teaching.

[@pakpala1]

Fuck it.. Tell the AI to drive the truck and do the delivery...

[@TwiztidPixiel]

I literally just quit Amazon fo go work in an office. Didnt want to destroy my body anymore

[@michaelethangross3395]

There can be no greater horror than being an Amazon driver . The so called "distracted driving" is bs because if you are in an unfamiliar area and need to turn around etc. and you are rapidly moving away from the location with narrow one way streets you damn well better do something to correct quickly or you will get dinged for taking to long and you can't exactly stop in the middle of the road.

[@75egcg]

As a FedEx driver we end up caring more Amazon packages than anything. Also I just realized as I am holding my phone to type this, my hands are still sticky from the Chinese food I ate.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

We get more packages n work longer n harder than ever before in the delivery world (USPC carrier) n my wages havent gone up but im delivering 4-500% more packages in the last 2 or 3 yrs XD its FUCKED

[@mroctober3583]

Congrats you work for Amazon lowkey

[@EliteBlackSash]

Mechanized Micro-Management. Oooh, wow, sounds awesome! Not.

[@automanvw]

Amazon doesn’t always have the best prices. I buy used on eBay at from online stores .I’d rather give ups or fedex money to drop my stuff off.

[@dustinphillips3041]

The company I work for has these in all of their vehicles as well. One of the most annoying things I’ve ever had to deal with.

[@Loki_Yogi]

This guy's story is horrific. Straight outta 1984 if ya ask me.

[@HotTakeAndy]

Can confirm, this driver is speaking the truth.

[@Mcvsamaniego]

Amazon has a large pool of people to exploit until we stand up together nothing will change! Keep the videos coming

[@Indacouch-li8jp]

from my observation, there are two categories of dsp drivers, 1; young people who don’t know any better and under the illusion that they are their own boss when they’re on the road making money while face timing their side lover in the Dominican republic. 2; matured people who took the job out of desperation and can handle the work load because they know it could be a lot worse and just except it for what it is ie maybe

[@hitnrunguy9203]

The US needs a 3rd party that is not owned by corporate interests. Until then, nothing will change for the better for US workers.

[@brightonm218]

No third party will ever win since the culture and everyone here has been fully brainwashed to not take a third party seriously. That and with money in politics they can't get enough of the funding needed to compete with the others who are typically corporate backed.

[@anthonymorris9061]

I haven't used Amazon in a decade or so. Even then, I had my orders delivered via USPS. Not good for the modern drivers, but I hate Amazon.

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

I always buy local when possible, but its really not that hard to get your crap somewhere else.

[@Muffienuggets]

I think we as consumers need to go back to when we waited 3-5 weeks for shipping. This shit is insane.

[@tgs1766]

Fuck that. I’d never go back to that.

[@liveyourlifeinlove9273]

​@@tgs1766u will when drivers quit unless u become one

[@kobyschechter8163]

I just quit a couple weeks ago, mainly because of the excessive workload. I had over 400 packages on consecutive days and I lost it. I can deal with 250 to 300 for sure but over 400 is absolutely excessive. I wouldn’t get home earlier than 8:00 PM and sometimes I wouldn’t get home until after 10:00 PM. Also we had to take our 30 minute lunch break in NY state by 1:30 PM otherwise it’s an automatic write up for “violation of NY state law.” I would get to my route on most days at about high noon. Sometimes 1:00 PM because the warehouse loved to fall behind. I barely had time to make a dent in my route before I had to go on lunch. The vans my DSP had were mainly white rental vans (Ford Transit) and those did not have the netradyne camera in them. We only had a few Amazon branded vans. Amazon drivers are under a lot of pressure to get deliveries done quickly because of the insane amount of packages that we have to deal with. If they gave us say 300 packages a day that would be much more manageable.

[@rebeccachambers4701]

thankfully we live in america where the governemnt politicans really care about the poeople and espically veterans

[@ocsrc]

Why would anyone drive for Amazon ,?

[@andersonisowo9603]

They need the money

[@TonyRSalazar]

Money but I'm not going to show up tomorrow because fuck em

[@marcusdefgomes]

Thanks for speaking out

[@HanginAndBanginBrother]

Eventually, and its probably pretty close already, every delivery driver that works for a company will deal with this camera surveillance. And they all say its to protect the drivers, but its all to protect the company from liability. Some justifiable, like drivers using their phones while driving, and some unjustifiable, particularly in trucking, where a driver shows some sign of fatigue, like a yawn, and then ends up in an accident, the company pins it on the driver and skirts their responsibility for working their employees i to the ground

[@jcoats5529]

Amazon ad followed this segment. Figures

[@promeitheus]

There is no service that amazon provides which you cannot achieve for yourself by some other means… for now.

[@IsureamFalling]

It is , they don’t give you an extra minute to breath between this packages , literally, intentionally suck the milk out of your day

[@HypatiaMuse]

I wonder if positive customer feedback at least goes a little way towards helping these workers (after a delivery when you can 'rate' the driver by hitting badges like 'On Time' & 'Above & Beyond'). I'm sure it can't do much, but every little bit helps.

[@geometricreality4543]

I have been working for my DSP for 6 months now and I am quite happy with my company. I did feel the pressure during the summer months mostly because of the heat. I am given the same route at least twice a week and it is pretty easy because I have done it repeatedly for many months. This job will teach you how to think critically when you are faced with situations on how to deliver from point A to point B. This job is hard at the beginning and that is where most people quit.

[@retroguy1976]

I did the job not barely a month and I was fired to bad performance and being dead last for my dsp. it wasn't a good experience bad routes, dispatch blowing up your phone to hurry up if you're behind. GPS on the flex app is horrendous. never again in my life. not worth it

[@Mr.aAdDies]

100% true

[@liamx6636]

Heres an idea. Teach yourself a skill. Be your own man. No one owes you a thing.

[@gd4006]

And all these people who order it everyday could give two shits less.

[@Im_With_Stupid]

I have a package out for delivery with Amazon today. They have this neat little tracking feature that lets you follow the deliverer and I've been checking it off and on all day. At 11am was in my neighborhood. To be precise, he was at a house on the corner of the next street down and his truck didn't move again at all until 3pm (15 minutes ago). Now he's completely at the other end of town after he was close to my house 4 hours ago that he could've thrown me the package.

[@BossbeautysK]

Not the driver fault, the driver is just following the the app orders and gps and trust me it’s not cool even for the driver to come back at the same location

[@Im_With_Stupid]

@@BossbeautysK I'm sure the GPS tells him where to go, but I don't think it told him to hang out three houses down for 4 solid hours. I don't even care that he did that, it's just stupid that Amazon has a tracking feature that shows them doing it. I will say, though, that Amazon's delivery service is terrible, even worse than the postal service. Maybe it's just a local problem, which wouldn't surprise me because 90% of the people where I live are morons, but ever since they started doing their own deliveries our packages are chronically delayed and a couple haven't shown up at all. In fact, I just had to cancel one yesterday that already showed as out for delivery 3 days prior.

[@abighairyspider]

Hilarious you left the first call on the clip ❤

[@jcoats5529]

No Teamsters allowed

[@richard_d_bird]

yeah i have to talk to these guys sometimes at work, and all i can think of is omg i'm sorry for you having to do that for a living. doctors too but they're just twisted like that i think

[@TheJonnyEnglish]

The first minute could easily be a bit that was hilarious

[@elmowilcox]

Very lightly, tepidly in Amazon’s defense…you get a LOT of “””””injuries””””” at a company that size with some of the people that work jobs like delivery.

[@MrMudNugget]

It's serious red tape and surveillance. Driving the rental vans are better but not much better. Also they got quiet about amazon. Someone must have stocks.

[@penguinatedthings305]

I hate it. I have to find something better.

[@high4lfye243]

I’m a amazon deliver. 1/3 of our vans smells like pee. It unbearable when I get one of those van

[@KimSooAcu]

i thought i was the only one who get that high but damn son

[@villedocvalle]

Lol Sam treading water….. he’s so transparent it’s hilarious.

[@hosiequad]

Do they not speak on it? They let the guy speak, said wow, then wrapped up the show.

[@DontStopCornPop]

I dont see it as a problem for shipping and transportation companies to have at least two surveillance cameras in their vehicles, one for the road and one for the driver. The AI tracking eyeball movement is really excessive though as well as the extra side mirror cameras. I also dont like the restrictive nature of how they do their stops and breaks. But as far as a basic two camera set up, I think that's reasonable enough.

[@larry785]

Wearing a diaper while driving isn't so bad, BABIES DO IT ALL THE TIME!!!

[@Maclyn88]

"Long woke" 😆🤣😆🤣

[@truthseeker8139]

We need a KZbin channel on how to unionize

[@CaseyLaarkamp]

More Perfect Union generally fits this criteria.

[@freekeemonkee]

...and Amazon contracts most of it's freight hauling aka traditional trucking to individual contractors, which are some of the most dangerous drivers on the road. So, if you see that logo, give them a wide berth.

[@flobwad]

An AI camera system that’s all eyes on the driver? That feels like a violation of some sorts. And I thought working at Walmart was a nightmare - the worst I had to do was clean up after some dude strung out on crack, meth, or whatever, dropped their pants and shat in one of the aisles (yeah, they had the worker who had coprophobia clean up some crazed stranger’s poo.) I’m totally shocked people even sign up to work for Amazon.

[@danbridges4755]

Dude.......a phobia is supposed to be an irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about fearing cleaning up someone's shit imo. Also it's out of desperation not desire ppl take shit jobs

[@ChillAssTurtle]

They have slightly higher wages and lots of jobs were straight up deleted during the pandemic + rents spiked 50%.. food n gas also spiked.. ppl need to work more for less

[@komlat253]

From personal experience he's right about all of this and yea but many seem like they didn't care tho

[@dontbeasheep1603]

i left after a day..not pissing in no damn bottle what type of fucking job requires you to do that....encourage you to skip breaks. don't get better pay over the years. working in the damn heat being rushed then gotta go help another driver after you done place is sick

[@Seditionzz]

I got in trouble for scratching my leg !! And having a bug on me one time and I looked to see what was that one me , I got distracted driving and my boss called me saying to tighten up …fck that job

[@sw4841]

This is also what happens when you don’t have a union to fight for you

[@markromine5103]

"More information coming out about this" won't make ANY difference. I'm debating why I would share this clip. I want to, but NOBODY CARES. F it, I'm sharing. I'll be the repetitive a-hole holding a cardboard sign on the virtual/internet on-ramp.😁

[@ThreaT650]

I mean how can it be for driver safety if all the drivers hate it and are concerned with it...

[@harrygrosomanidis9699]

Amazon, how the Sweat shop has entered the first world. Thanks Jeff

[@superlink235]

Those cameras are industry standard now. It depends on how the company uses it. My company uses them too, but doesn't infraction anybody for "mistakes".

[@jacksonbrowne6693]

Worst job ever. Not to mention the dogs trying to kill you

[@reidoha1066]

These are the systems used to monitor truckers & have been around for quite a while. This isn’t anything new; it’s just being used on non CDL drivers now.

[@davidhutchinson1610]

Up to 850 score huh? Kinda like credit...

[@user-ke2cv8nr2k]

I hated mentor and the other apps

[@scottmullins87]

My guess is they think the AI will cause most drivers to be safer and if they reduce accidents by x anount the insurance will go down .I think it should be removed as it crosses the red line as far as supervision goes

[@youchoosealex]

first caller, definitely libertarian.

[@bxnym]

I wanted to try Amazon dsp but after every video I watched it’s just horrid stories after horrid stories so I just canceled the interview like why even bother seriously lol

[@Baron1975]

Embedded software on personal phones.

[@pearl_kill]

Why do people still work there?

[@brightonm218]

Cause there likely isn't anything else better around.