Faulty? | Hornby's Brand New Large Prairie | Unboxing & Review

[@hikingbikingderbyshire3682]

Sam, you really need to be sending it back for an exchange and testing the replacement. Accepting this many faults for such a price is not fair on the consumer.

[@SamsTrains]

I agree Bryn - and by publicising these issues, I'm certainly not just accepting these faults! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@LowBudgetKiwi]

I totally agree. I would be sending that back right and asking for replacement for sure. I expect better manufacturing quality from Hornby, esp when that engine will cost over $400 down here. A fault means replace.

[@philnewstead5388]

Owen Mitchell This is in part why I am reluctant to purchase, I live in France and I'm reluctant to pay nearly £200, by the time I buy a chip and pay the additional shipping charge, for a product which clearly has quality control issues as shipping here is two weeks generally and if I have to send it back it's both expensive and I've lost the loco for at least five weeks.

[@ToasterShunterStudiosAgain]

Mine just wont run when its the only one on the rails.

[@theretrocrowe]

I love moving air vents - Customizable details like that are so cool

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah absolutely - I wish we could see more stuff like that! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@pirozcontractor6006]

@@SamsTrains My Hornby Class 08 Super Detail shunter actually has one as well. The detail on that model probably makes it the best 08 model ever.

[@lewishughes8541]

For the money i think they should have checked the qualitity and also used a better type of motor

[@ronclark9724]

Unfortunately every little hand applied detail runs up the cost of the model locomotive 10 quid, if not more...

[@highbrookendmodelrailway]

You are the only KZbinr that keeps me from skipping parts out of the video - absolute quality recording and keeps me interested and entertained at any given moment. Great review as always, though it's a shame more features aren't die-cast, like the running board, pipework, whistles and chimney. If Hornby has some 0-4-0's for £35 that have metal whistles, then I'm sure a model with a value of £115+ should do too! It is always nice to see a flywheel and a 5-pole motor, although this doesn't seem to do any favours for the model! There is definitely something wrong with that model, it shouldn't slow down randomly on curves and hills that much. Maybe the motor was produced for higher speeds? I would be sending that back immediately and leaving a strong review on the website.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's really lovely to hear mate - thanks so much!! Yeah you're right about the metalwork too - it just looks better!! Yes I think the motors are poor quality, despite being high-spec! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Jag-Soft]

Had my prairie delivered today, already in process of sending it back. It burned out half way through running in with the very strong smell of burning motor.

[@SamsTrains]

So sorry to hear that, but totally not surprised given mine :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@theretrocrowe]

My Hornby Duke of Gloucester has a similar issue with the coupling. Even moving the tender slightly will make the coupling drop off. It always derails any rolling stock if it takes a curve too quickly

[@lukeslocomotives]

My Unrebuilt Battle of Britain also does that in the end I got sick of it and glued it on

[@SamsTrains]

Absolutely - the Duke is known for it - mine did the same thing too, had to glue it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

Same issue with my Peckett B2. Before glueing the thing in place, I will try with another one.

[@ronclark9724]

Chinese quality control for international standards simply suck...

[@dethraxvideowing1326]

Similar issue with my Horny Duchess and her tender coupling, but it's a simple fix with a very careful dab of model cement.

[@JonatanGronoset]

*Sam:* Oh dear the coupling fell out, that's a bad design. *Me:* Hello Loctite my old friend, it's time to use you once again~

[@thematey3592]

The "sound of silence" reference really caught me off guard, loved it!

[@SamsTrains]

haha yep - I just use loctite - and bugger the warranty - if the model was fit for purpose, you wouldn't need to use any glue in the first place! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@newobanproductions999]

I recently bought the BR Green version for usage as my Christmas train this year and many of the faults encountered here haven't happened to me yet. It might be because of how Australian controllers manage to pump just a little more juice than the UK ones.

[@freebrickproductions]

"I'm actually quite glad it's just a coupling and not something more serious." Famous last words.

[@OlivierGabin]

"I'm actually quite glad it's just an iceberg and not something more serious." - Captain Edward Smith, Titanic, North Atlantic, 14/4/1912 Small things can have great consequences. I would certainly fix this first if I had bought this model

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're right - that's definitely the moment that cursed this model! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MoD1982]

Something tells me that if this was a Heljan you'd have ripped it a new one. I don't understand why you've been so kind in comparison with this one ;)

[@SamsTrains]

With Heljan, the performance was poor because of the shoddy mechanism. This only got the benefit of the doubt because the effort was clearly there to make the mechanism a good one! I think I did a good job of 'ripping it a new one' where the couplings, plastic construction and pony truck were concerned! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MoD1982]

@@SamsTrains Fair enough, dude. I hear what you're saying but I'm not quite onboard with your reasoning - I still understand and respect where you're coming from. Thanks for taking the time to reply, here's hoping Hornby give you an exchange or similar!

[@jamesscobie1395]

Hi Sam, I can’t help as my prairie failed during running in. Forwards after approx 45 minutes it stopped on a set of points. The front pony truck screw had come loose like yous and wedged itself against the point blade. After tightening the screw I tried it in reverse10 minutes later it was lying on its side . One the screw holding the con rod in place had worked loose and derailed the loco. Fortunately my local model shop has an excellent repair guy so hopefully it will come back from him ready to go

[@skuula]

Oi oi it will get some globs of thread locker...

[@welshrails]

Shame to hear, best of luck to you and your modeling career! Maybe get an old one, I hear there good from my mate!

[@garrymartin6474]

You should get a full refund as its not fit for purpose.

[@LeifLaffeEriksson]

Agreeing with Garry, you should get a refund.

[@theonemasterwarhero]

For a new model that is appalling...I'm really losing hope in hornby...this not on for a product of hundred pounds plus.

[@paulwilson3083]

Hornby should be watching your channel with shame and consider setting you on to review their products before releasing them onto the market place, they are getting too complacent and have to remember they have some excellent opposition out there, thank you for your "as it is" reviews which is a great help to a potential purchaser of products available, please keep up the good work Sam,

[@SamsTrains]

I'm fairly sure they do Paul - hopefully they'll have a response to this soon! You're right - some of the opposition is excellent indeed! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jimross623]

Hi Sam, I don’t understand how you could give three stars for the Performance. What would it take to get one or two stars? I would be disappointed with this model if it cost £50. 1960’s performance with 2020’s prices. Thanks for doing the review. At least it stops us ending up buying a poor model. Jim

[@lukeslocomotives]

I have an engine from the 60s that performs better than this

[@SamsTrains]

If I was sure that the poor performance was due to a design defect, and not just a faulty motor (for example, a clearly poor quality mechanism), then I'd give it less than 3 stars! But agreed - if typical of all examples, which it may well be, definitely no good at all! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@dommassey1249]

I’m not primarily a steam enthusiast but this tank is definitely one of my favourites

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear that Dom - they are lovely!! :D

[@dannydorito9815]

I’m more of a steam enthusiast then a diesel enthusiast, but honestly I like most trains. This tank is cool af though.

[@skuula]

Time for you to put an ampere meter in your track circuit. It's great for seeing whether it is an intermittent connection issue.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes you're right - I often hook one up to check a loco out! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MCHOKUM]

The world needs quiet corners like Sam's Trains. No drama, no bullshit. Just a very thorough hobby channel.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much - that's really kind of you!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@crunchynutsteamfilms5043]

Sam, I've had almost the exact same problems with my own Prairie. As soon as the BR Black one was in stock, I jumped to get one, but it has had similar issues. As far as the coupling goes, the coupling appears to have been made specifically for the prairie, so I fitted one from my spare coupling bag and it is fine. Your running problems are far more accentuated than mine, but mine are still there, on a slight incline on my layout it slows far more than my new 40xx Star at the same speed. Eventually it actually broke, when put down on the track it short circuits (no idea why, if anyone has any ideas, please tell me), so I'm sending it back for a replacement. It's a real shame because the looks of the loco are stunning, hope the story helps!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh dear, sorry to hear that! At least we're not the only ones though - i thought I'd just been unlucky! Glad to hear you're making a stand by replacing it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CalebsRailFilms]

Well, thank goodness you have done a review on this, Sam. I was just waiting for you to do one before I made the move to purchase one of these, and by all accounts, I'm glad I haven't purchased one. This is ridiculous, especially for that price! It's a bit more expensive for the Australian consumer of course like me but you would think for that price you would have all the usual refinements (007 puns there) added to it, like the diecast elements for instance. Well, thank you for a well-informed review, my good friend. I haven't had much luck with tank engines in the past. I had a GWR Pannier tank no. 6424 from Bachmann and that failed along with other tank engines I have got from Hornby as well. Then I have good friends who have lots of GWR tank engines in their collections and they don't have any issues. But then again life ain't that good to me at the best of times lol. At least I can take the piss out of myself though. Makes for some good comedy here and there I must say. Take care and keep well. Cheers Caleb

[@SamsTrains]

No problem Caleb - yes I can't 100% recommend this one for the money! Keep an eye open for Dapol's version of the model - it's set to be cheaper... and unless they cock it up big time, it's got to be better! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@colecamclay]

I would definitely recommend this for collectors. But DEFINITELY not for people who run the models.

[@HappyJigg]

I was half expecting another "I almost burned down my layout" episode while watching this thing struggle! I can't believe that a new model would have such poor performance.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I was too - wouldn't have been surprised, haha! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@colecamclay]

That's just REDICULOUSNESS.

[@davidpatrick8599]

Sam, you mention the livery of the model does not include the lining, but in fact, when introduced, this class would be painted as shown. In GWR days only the larger passenger classes would be lined out. It was not until BR days, about 1957 that Swindon, unilaterally, introduced the green lined livery for almost any class that could be classed as a passenger locomotive. This included the 43xx moguls, all 2-6-2tank locos both large and small, the 14xx auto tanks, the 56xx 0-6-2t, all the Halls, Granges, and Manors which under BR had been painted black.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that's right David - I wasn't criticising that the model had no lining, just merely pointing out how expensive the model was, *given* that no lining is present! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@marcyates4323]

Hello Sam , even with the problems that the Hornby does have as you pointed out in this review . I did end up purchasing one and yes it did have a lot of running issues . On the straights on my little layout , no problem . But , as soon as it hit my 3rd radius curves , it would just stop ! Extremely frustrating !! But the weird thing was , that when it was in reverse going on the curves it had no issue . Very odd . So I decided to take off the base plate and have a look , I could not see anything major that was causing any issue , apart from maybe a bit to much grease and a couple of none to tight screws , I went and gave it a bit of a clean , dabbed a bit of ultra light oil on , reassembled and held my breath ! And it has been running perfectly ever since , now I am extremely happy with it . And I agree that these models should run one hell of a lot better out of the box ( I also run Roco and Fleischmann models ,and they are always perfect ) , it was nice that it turned out to be a reasonably simple fix to get the Hornby up and running well . Thank you for your reviews and thoughts , keep up the good work !

[@kingorry7223]

I'm intrigued to know if all large prairies are like this

[@bentullett6068]

The GWR prairie tank locomotives all follow the same design as they were designed by the same designer. There was a small prairie tank and large prairie tank locomotive. the 41xx, 42xx, 52xx tank engine locomotives also used a similar design apart from the wheel layout. Lovely looking tank engines and there is one being restored at the Severn Valley Railway at Bewdley where I volunteer.

[@kingorry7223]

@@bentullett6068 I'm talking in terms of if all of hornby new Large Prairie perform this badly

[@bentullett6068]

@@kingorry7223 I have noticed a few people in the comments have had a similar issue. I will probably wait to see if Jenny Kirk reviews one on her channel if she has the same issue with a model it could be interesting, hornby needs to be careful as there is a Dapol version of this loco on its way and they have done some pretty good steam locomotives as well.

[@kingorry7223]

@@bentullett6068 although, dapol have had their fair shares of good and bad performers so would be interesting to see, I'm looking forward to their 43xx. But as they say, watch this space

[@bentullett6068]

@@kingorry7223 I purchased my first Dapol locomotive which was the B4, it's a lovely model and I ran it on my short test track and it ran really smoothly. I know Jenny Kirk did a comparison session between the Hornby and Dapol terrier on her Monday club live stream and both locomotives had small faults but she has ran both and they seem to be ok running around her large layout.

[@LHoriginal]

I love wthe design of get locomotives! They look so nice, it's a shame that it's faulty

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, yeah I agree - if it even is, I'm not sure! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@williambabcoke248]

Good news Dapol is doing one.

[@LHoriginal]

@@williambabcoke248 WOO HOO

[@TC_5670]

This month's Summer edition of Model Rail received today, gave 91% in their review. Loco is R3723 61xx Black Early Emblem. The picture implies that the running plate is straight. No negative comments about the coupling or the 'copper' chimney. The running capabilities were perceived as being OK once pickups were properly attached to the rear wheels. No comments about the front bogeys. I will await the Dapol version to see how good that is if I decide to buy one anyway. I think you possibly had a bad example? Keep up the good work Sam, thanks.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Trevor - I've had a few comments about the magazines somehow missing the obvious downfalls of these - it contrasts greatly with many of the comments I've received, citing countless issues with these, far beyond the ones I experienced! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lewispeake6691]

Nothing better than a good GWR prairie. I have one made by mainline but this certainly is a nice tank engine from Hornby. Thanks for the video Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that Lewis! Yeah overall this looks lovely! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ecpcharles]

Try removing the motor and worm gear and pushing the wheels along the track with your hands. If theres lots of resistance, then its not the motors fault. If the chassis is stiff, make sure the gears are free spinning. I would like to see a livestream of you attempting to fix it!

[@GaryNumeroUno]

Yes, I think the issue is with the coupling rods and valve gear. Looks good but I think there is too much play and probably very thin parts leading to flexing.

[@Mallard60800]

But if he tampers with it could it violate something so if he returns it in future he might get rejected??

[@ecpcharles]

@@Mallard60800 oh yea for sure, if i were him id return it, but if he wanted to keep it and attempt to fix it, it could be interesting

[@SamsTrains]

Nope - it runs really freely! If it was a gear/quartering issue, the slow-downs would be on every rotation! The intermittent nature suggests something electical! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ecpcharles]

@@SamsTrains no a kink(what youre referring to as a slow down every rotation), is not the same as resistance in the mechanism. It could be a bad bearing(maybe not fully round, or bent), or a chassis without enough tolerance(that engine has a stiff chassis). The only way to find out is to remove the motor. Simplying looking at the engine run will not tell you anything(besides finding kinks). good luck though!

[@OlivierGabin]

Thank for your review, I've just saved GBP 126 + GBP 8 postage just by seeing what is going wrong with this locomotive. Well, for me, I would have accepted the little concessions on the details, and maybe the lack of diecast, if the motor was simply RUNNING PROPERLY. And if the pony truck was not mounted on the locomotive with a ridicule screw that has to be let loose to get the proper thing functionning ! Motor issue on Hornby models is a complete no-go for me when I saw one running badly. I have a S-15 with a motor thats runs when it wants, I had stored it waiting for something to do with it. And it is a constant on ALL Hornby S-15... So, Dapol will have a customer for their large Prairie with me. I never had issues with their motors in the past, sometimes their models are underdetailed and overpriced but, at last, THEY WORKS ! My B4 from them is not extraordinary, but it does the job. Sorry Hornby, with such a botched job, I cannot recommend your product. I am especially boring on the motor issues because I had two models in a row with such unacceptable problems, one from you, one from Oxford Rail. So; when someone have motor problems with an Hornby locomotives, it is a no-go for me. Anyway, does your OR Deans Good still runs ? Also, You did not mention motor or drivetrain issues with your Drummond 700 if I am correctly remembering your test. Same for your 28xx. I ask you so because the first one is an option, and the two others are scheduled to be bought soon. Thanks for the test, and reading my prose (usually packaged in 350 to 500 pages novels).

[@theonemasterwarhero]

I agree with you...the last good model I bought at least for me was R3396tts...after that I wouldn't touch hornby after the issues I've seen with their newer models...this is appalling from hornby...now I really want Britain to make our stuff again.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah me too Oliver - but the quality issues made it a no-no. The S15 is well known for that issue too - many others have spoken of this! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TomPrickVixen]

I use to do bets and jokes that my 30+ years old loco can outperform the new ones... and win! What others did not know that I usually upgrade my old stuff, like having both bogies powered, or have 2 motors in a loco + added weight!

[@theonemasterwarhero]

The ironic thing is...stock Margate locos are decimating the newer models in terms of performance and reliability...China manufacturer's are a joke.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's pretty funny - and quite typical too - many of my older models perform as well or better than the new ones do! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SussexHistory]

You'll have to invent the 'Sam's Train's Lemon Award' and have a lemon appear on the screen! Instead of awarding stars, you'll have to award lemons! The pony truck, definitely worth a couple of lemons!

[@SamsTrains]

haha great idea - I'll have to literally do that!! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@colincampbell4551]

I've had to send back my last two Hornby locos and on a third one had to wait for a buffer that was missing from new. I think Hornby quality control is very poor at the moment.

[@theonemasterwarhero]

Lol that's an understatement considering it's cheap China.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh so sorry to hear that Colin - yeah I agree with you there :(

[@barleyarrish]

You are my default reviewer Sam. I think it would be rather nice to see a model making company start up here in Britain, Margate perhaps?

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're very kind mate - that would be awesome, but the skilled model makers are in China these days - any British manufacturer would need years of experience in order to compete with them! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bjmorley]

"I've looked at this loco and there's no glue marks!" Literally two massive marks around the whistle and on the cab window. And regards couplings they are removable, but that's the piece that the NEM coupler fits into, not the coupler itself, normally removable if you don't want a visible NEM Coupler socket. Obviously it's way too loose, I have some that are way too tight and break on removal to take out screws fitted below. I believe you can get them online. Also, that chassis being bent would be the reason id take it back.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I didn't notice those marks in person - it's only on the extreme close ups, but I agree they look bad. Luckily they're localised and haven't damaged the finish of the surrounding plastic! Yes that's right about the couplings - but totally unacceptable that they don't stay in place! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@petersmith4455]

hi sam,ref to the coupling falling off. when i bought my huntley and palmers loco a few years ago i had the same problem.put another one on and ok.probably to do with tolerances when they are made, might be a friday afternoon coupling !

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Peter - yes I've noticed it happens with the odd loco - but this was by far the worst case - usually they stay on long enough to get the loco onto the track, haha! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Station_Master_13]

Your reviews could be a tv show.

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much! :D

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

Agreed!

[@turbulanceism]

All of sams trains could be a show, educational mechanical entertaining,

[@Station_Master_13]

@@turbulanceism yeah but some of the boomer audience might get wooshed

[@idrisdixon6998]

@@Station_Master_13 Yea, but if you can get Channel 5 to commission the show that'll be great also it'll make train makers sit up a bit...

[@garrymartin6474]

Send it back Sam (again) might be useful and informative to talk about consumer rights in this regard too.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Garry, you're right!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheDoc421]

Found your channel while looking up O-gauge traction tire stuff. I'm rocking O-gauge trains here in Canada... But have fallen in love with your vids. Keep up the excellent work!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Tyler, that's really lovely to hear! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@samszeto7303]

Can you do a follow up video on this if you get a replacement/try speaking to customer support etc. I can't believe they didn't go all out for a very popular GWR engine

[@SamsTrains]

Sure! I do hope to make a follow up video! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@LawrenceTimme]

Lol Smokey Joe is a beast!!!!! The new loco is broken for sure ☹️

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Lawrence - he certainly is, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@secretslayer1234]

Mine did these things so I just ended up sending it back

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh so sorry to hear that - glad to know it isn't just mine though - I had a feeling it wasn't! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@timbo12021]

I bought the G W R scheme from antics in Plymouth. Haven't had any issues with mine. Bought a few of the engines you've reviewed. The Andrew Barclay was one of the best purchases I made

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear yours was better Tim - ahh yeah, the Andrew Barclay is one of my favourites too! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@timbo12021]

Cheers Sam. Got the model out for a run today and it is the same version you reviewed. I'm running mine on a HM2000 controller. Before that I used one of the older R965 controller. Had no issues mind. Runs smooth and quiet

[@stubrooks2667]

I have a 35 year old mainline version- still works albeit a bit noisy. It was 30 quid max back in the day.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Stu - great to hear yours are still going strong!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

19:12 And the connecting rods are bending!

[@SamsTrains]

They do look a bit like there's too much movement in them, so they don't stay straight - good spot! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Taggart00]

Its running badly in protest of you not uploading your city of truro review ;)

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

Yes you're right. Sam's Trains get that done please!

[@SamsTrains]

haha I guess so - It's ready and queued for release next month! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Taggart00]

@@SamsTrains next month is always a month away

[@davidsheriff8989]

The 2-6-2 was very common on the Birkenhead lines for both passenger and coal to a power station at Bromborough..

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted David, many thanks for the info! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stefanwosinsky1935]

thanks! I'm on the continent so i have H0 scale trains (1/87) but i enjoy your content a lot!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Stefan, that's lovely to hear! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@alanlansdell7533]

You just need to send it back, that is the definition of "not fit for purpose"

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I agree Alan, I may well do! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@BowmakerFox]

"New prairie kinda sucks, doesn't it..." Very quotable

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you! :D

[@astonnapper-woods1230]

Hi Sam. I got both the 61xx and 51xx from Hornby. I had to send the 61xx back and get a replacement due to many reasons. Hornby said they had nothing from the factory to say there were issues. I ran in my 51xx last weekend when it arrived (I pre-ordered it directly from Hornby) and it seemed perfectly fine. I don't yet have a layout so I can't say how it performs with a load, but the running in was fine; smooth, quiet, and constant. I didn't feel there was an issue. Also, the couplings on mine are fine. I think you have a faulty one, I think Hornby should investigate their production as i agree, the issues you have said shouldn't be there, but I don't have them. Great review though 👍

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing mate - what sort of thing was wrong with the 61xx?? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@astonnapper-woods1230]

@@SamsTrains :) I had glue marks, paint discolourations. They were very good though, they apologised and got it sorted.

[@ThePilotpoint]

Hi Sam, the Large Prairie R3721 is available with Jadlam Racing for a bargain price of GBP118.95 and GBP 115 on eBay if any of your subscribers are interested.

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome!! That's a much better price too! :D Merry Christmas - Sam :)

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Your performance rating is very odd. Given that it effectively couldn't pull anything, and struggled moving on its own, a 1-star performance rating seems somewhat obvious.

[@Mr_Smidge]

Hi lol

[@SamsTrains]

You're right, but as I explained in the video, I want to be as fair as possible. It'd be unreasonable to assume that all examples perform like mine did - I suspected a motor fault. If it turns out they're all like that, I'll lower the score accordingly - I just don't know at the moment! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@JoeHardy19]

Sam I got mine last week (61xx Great Western pre-war) and it runs exactly like yours... I didn’t notice it at first but mine really struggles in the corners and no torque just like yours. I thought I was imagining it but yours confirmed it! Wonder if it’s that new motor... shame cuz I preordered this months ago :(

[@bentullett6068]

I think I am going to wait for the Dapol version to come out and see what that is like.

[@JoeHardy19]

Ben Tullett wishing I had too! Though they’ve been working on their prairie for years, makes you wonder if hornby rushed theirs to beat it...

[@bentullett6068]

@@JoeHardy19 I wonder if they have as well. I was going to look into getting one of these but I need to wait for other KZbinrs to test the model just incase there has been a rogue batch. Although looking at the specifications of the Dapol model I think if Dapol get it right they might beat Hornby.

[@SamsTrains]

So sorry to hear about that Joe - at least we're not the only ones! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@BritanniaPacific]

I just finished watching Chris green’s gauge the issue on the new build standards, among them being the new build standard 3 tank engine. He talked about how they were based around the boilers of the large prairies, though I didn’t see it initially. Now I can see the resemblance.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh very interesting - thanks for the info, I didn't ever know that!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TF2004-official]

I have a Large Prairie but it's a 61xx and it's from the 2000s I think. Hasn't failed so far.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear that - yes my older one is from that era too - still going strong! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@phil36310]

Hi Sam, Just to inform you regarding my Nightmare with this Chinees made junk. Had it from TMC for a good price. Out of the box on the rolling road was ok. But not on the tracks! Stalling, derailing, jerking. I spend hours and hours to diagnose the problem and then fixing the damn thing. Remove front and rear pony's and run it. Mine did smoother. So address the pony truck: remove paint at swivel point and bevel the contact sides smooth. Put a small strip of iso tape in the screw hole and reassemble taking care to allow plenty of play and getting the screw tight in the hole without fastening. File the round rear top end of the rear bogie for it rubs the housing and lifts the loco. File the strip on the underside lightly and bevel it smooth. Clean every single pickup, bearing and remove the overdone grease from the mechanism. Control side spin of the driving wheels - mine sat stuck because of gunk. Place 0,4 mm shims between the screw holes of keeper/ chassis and reassemble. It should run like a Swiss watch. I've send my Ready To Repair bill to Hornby. It's clear: very poor Hornby engineering - didn't they notice during pre-production ??? QC China = below 0 ! Unacceptable ! Maybe you could to a repair Video about it for so many model railroaders have the same issues with this otherwise beautiful loco. ? All the best, Filip

[@SamsTrains]

So sorry to hear about your bad experience Filip - mine wasn't satisfactory on the track either. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts on this - I'll have to look into some of those fixes myself! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@sambrown6426]

and here in america there is no such thing as a detail bag because all details are pre-fitted, though some locos come with replacement parts either as spares or as actual changes.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh really? That's very interesting!! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ulrich610tevd]

I'm not familiar with the way the nem coupler connects to the loco, but in the model building community we have a solution to fix/tighten loose joints. A light coating of nail polish or super glue do wonders for loose joints.

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds like a great fix - many thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@garagewindowrailway]

Sam, with Rails announcing expected delivery of the Dapol large Prairie in September/October, are you planning to do a shoot out between the old Hornby, this new tool Hornby and the Dapol?

Hi Sam, I got my Large Prairie today from Hattons, Mine does not have the speeds issues moves okay at 40% so you may have a faulty one, the only issue i have with mine is that the roof was detached and needs gluing back a miner issue for me. Hope this helps. Love your videos keep up the good work.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear yours was better Noel - shame about the roof though :(

[@Lawrence-ui1hv]

Many thanks Sam for this review of this large prairie. I was going to buy one of these in the next few days but have really been put off by its erratic motor performance you video. I think I'll be keeping hold of my £125 instead. 👍

[@SamsTrains]

No problem Lawrence - yeah, for £125, doesn't seem worth it for me :( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@matthewbannister5951]

I think the slightly warped chassis could putting strain on the coupling rods making them effectively to long for the gap there in. That would slow you down. Great vid Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

You'd think so, but the chassis is made of solid metal and fits the body perfectly - I think the warping is purely aesthetic. I ran the loco without the body this morning, and it was no better! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SuperAzusa]

Sam, I've just taken delivery of a KATO 10-1499: this a N-scale Japanese tourist train pulled by a D51 steam locomotive. Running this for the first time, I am astounded by this tiny model's ability to crawl at a speed, smoothly(!) I find almost imperceptible. But I would've thought that such slow smooth speed would be more difficult for a N-scale loco than a OO/HO model just for how tiny the motor must be. What do you think? I'd also be really interested to hear your opinion on N-scale and KATO in general! I sure do like being able to buy whole prototypical rakes of trains at once by default rather than one vehicle at a time.

[@SamsTrains]

Wow that sounds incredible - in N gauge too! Yes, definitely more of a challenge in N! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rynodynomyte2755]

Beautiful model Sam! Lucky to have 8 survivors! There was two others but one was used as a donor! The other was restored and rebuilt into a tender engine resembling a small boiler version of a 43xx Class, which I heard a rumor was a design drawn but never built called the 93xx Class!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Ryno - yes that's right, I read about those! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@rynodynomyte2755]

Sam'sTrains Your welcome! :)

[@roycspary8923]

roy here speculating the warm after running indicates waste heat so maybe the beefy looking motor is current hungry and inefficient. does it run better near the track feed?

[@mikesmith5139]

Hi Sam, Did you send it back and get a replacement? And if so, was the replacement better? Thanks for the review, Mike.

[@FlyingScott]

If you had not glued the NEM back in place, I would have said "send it back" because I struggle to believe this is how it is supposed to perform. Everything about the mechanism should make it such a good runner, and yet it goes *phut.*

[@SamsTrains]

I think I still will send it back to be honest - if the coupling stayed in as it should, I wouldn't have needed to glue it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Zebrails]

Remove the screw and pilot truck, remove collar, replace pilot truck, then collar, then the screw? Crooked running board, coupler fail... some of the GWR lettering is splotchy... I'd almost get a replacement loco. John Canada

[@SamsTrains]

Sorry John if I didn't explain that very well - there's no collar, the pilot slips over a column with a screw-thread inside. The screw comes down on top of the column, but presses on the pilot when fully tightened. I am considering returning this! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MisterHampshire]

Consider the tiniest drop(s) of PVA glue for the coupling. It will hold it firm with some flexibility, and as it's non-permanent it can be eased out with some care and residue picked off.

[@SamsTrains]

Good idea - that's a much less brutal approach than the super glue! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@barryportsmouth4552]

I like you have purchased a class 51xx same model as you l have had no problems with it I think as we oldies would say you must have a Friday afternoon model .mine runs well pulls a six coach train with ease send it back and try again .great program keep up the good work .thank you BarrY Portsmouth.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear yours was okay Barry - I will investigate further on mine! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@davebareham1075]

I just came across this review because I am considering buying one of these locos. It's now 2023 and I'm worndering if you ever got the issues working Sam? Also, and I know this is a stupid question but I am quite new back to OO Gauge - is the gauge master controller DC or DCC? Thanks for your hard work Sam.

[@pirozcontractor6006]

Hey Sam, have you seen the bargain YEC Janus Industrial shunter from Hattons? I think it would make a good comparison with the other shunters considering its value for money on paper!

[@SamsTrains]

Absolutely - I've reviewed a Janus already - they are great! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@pirozcontractor6006]

@@SamsTrains Oh wow, hadn't seen that one! Still for £50 now from Hattons it looks like a steal!

[@SuperJ333]

Hi Sam - very useful review, as always, but a very generous score, as usual! IMO, if we're buying this model to look at, it's OK, but if we want to play with it (and I know that's why I buy locos) it obviously doesn't work properly, so other considerations are secondary - I don't care if it's the most beautiful object in the galaxy, it's still rubbish. I honestly think "performance" should carry more weight and be at least half the score, because for me everything else is just a bonus - I love the look of it, but there's no way I'm going to buy it - and charging £140 for something with bits that drop off is outrageous - I would have sent it back - and yes, it might be a 'Friday' job, but it is what it is. So, you may have guessed by now that I'm not convinced by the scoring system! But what I AM convinced of, is that you're such a generous guy you'd probably have described Adolf Hitler as "a bit naughty...!' Keep up the good work mate...take care.

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you! I tried to take into account the fact that all examples might not show the faults that mine did - but I have my doubts! Yes maybe performance should carry more weight - I'll readdress this when I change the rating system for next year! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@turokforever007]

Hi Sam i have used a lot of brushed motors over the years but that is the first time i have seen one with a motor armature with a angle normally they are straight

[@SamsTrains]

Was it at an angle?! It looked straight to me! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@turokforever007]

@@SamsTrains take a look at 14.40

[@paulroberts9704]

Hi Sam I've had a dodgy h class erratic run and burning and found the problem was with the dcc board. A small chip on the board was shorting out which with the body on, it gave me smoke from the funnel and cylinders which was quite realistic ( well done Hornby with that one) but obviously not right. I removed the dcc board and hard wired it and bingo runs much better but fear this shorting may have taken its toll on the motor. Hope this helps

[@SamsTrains]

That's very interesting Paul - thanks for sharing! What was the performance like? Was it just erratic, or was it crawling along too slowly? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@paulroberts9704]

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam sorry for the delay in replying: yes very erratic fast then slow each time the con rods went one full circle, this seemed to be when new and after running in was much better. But the other problem was the rear bogie was lifting the second of the front driving wheels off the track, so you could see day light under them ,so not much traction. So packed it away till I had time to investigate ( common problem with olive green Southern version ) so when I came to give it a run this was when I noticed the burning as mentioned previously. Since hardwiring there was still a burning ,motor and capacitor/suppressor getting so hot if you left the body on it would easily melt it. So a trip to my local dealer he said to change the capacitor/suppressor and gave me two to try and sure enough it worked only getting warm. Since then I've sorted out the rear bogie and it sits flush with the track and I have traction. She pulled 15 wagons and a Bachmann queen Mary brake van. The only problem seems to be you have to turn the power up to at least 70% and then she still run fairly slowly but it's acceptable maybe gearing. Still at least it's running. Hope this helps with your prairie tank. Oh also got a T9 with mazak rot, got the parts from Peters spares and followed your video. Also had to hardwire this too, and remake nearly every electrical connection on the loco as they were just falling off.7 hours later, now she's running really smoothly and she pulled 50 wagons today with some in reserve. Both locomotives run exceptionally well at very low speeds so I'm happy Thanks for a great channel Sam kind regards Paul 😀

[@alancarpenter2070]

Hi Sam. I'm afraid I must correct your math's. You said that you had increased the controller setting 10% from 40% to 50%, when you actually increased the setting from 40 to 50. That is an increase of 25%, assuming that the setting marks are actually linear, which they may not be. Check the settings against a voltmeter. Anyway I do agree with you that something seems to be wrong with the drive. The loose coupling is really bad, though you could have left it off, fitted the front coupling and, run it bunker first. The loose truck screw is a real problem. If it came out at speed, it could cause a derailment, or worse. A drop of, "plastic safe" thread lock would solve that problem. Well correction and rant over. Another good review from you. I think you are the best reviewer. Certain others I won't name, but you probably know who I mean, do not do such an "in depth" job as you do. Regards, Alan.

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's true Alan - I quoted 10% as the proportion of the total power available (0-100), hence the 10%! It wasn't 10% of the original speed though, you're right! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@DUCATI600CC]

Yesterday i ordered Hornby's Large Prairie,hoping the problems you discovered may have been attended too. Not on your life----It arrived today with two body mounting screws missing ( one of them i found floating around in the packaging ) One of the drain cocks were missing from the extras packet. I was using the Hornby Select controller .It did not perform in any acceptable way with derailments, stopping on points and anywhere else it decided. A reflection on your assessment, much disappointment, but i have been ask to return it, i don't think i want a replacement, perhaps I'll wait until Dapol produce their example

[@SamsTrains]

God Bryan, that's terrible - even worse than mine by the sound of it. Definitely a good move to return it, and I too wonder whether Dapol's will be better... shouldn't be difficult! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@DUCATI600CC]

@@SamsTrains Hi Sam, As you know i returned my example of the Hornby Large Prairie and got a refund, but i have to admit it was a really nice looking locomotive. I watched your review again and we shared the same view on that point too, and like you i thought i may have received a "bad " example. So Yesterday i ordered another, and it arrived today,( Hattons usual good service ) On opening the box and packaging i saw this fine replica of A GWR Large Prairie locomotive. On closer inspection similar faults were there, the screw holding the front pony truck was loose and the front coupling fell off when putting the loco on the track .I don't wish to bore you further, but nothing has changed, it ran in fits stops and starts only alleviated by running the model at warp speed. I think it may have something to do with side play on the driving wheels loosing electrical contact on curves or point work. All my radiuses are 3rd or 4th and all my other locos run perfectly well on them. Anyway it's being returned on Monday and i've asked for a refund. I think I'll be patient and wait for the arrival of the Dapol example !

[@colinwykes1833]

Hey Sam, most interesting review, I've got the 61XX I've only run it in and not tried any coaches with it. So I put some track down on the dining room table, a small oval 2nd radius curves together with the Gaugemaster controller. Locomotive straight from the box, cold with six coaches behind. I Turned the controller to 40% the locomotive really struggled, it was running left to right and as it neared the right hand curve it almost stopped until it rounded the curve I thought whoa !!!! this is not good. So I turned the controller to 50% and it seemed ok. So then I connected the HM2000 controller, turned the dial to the 4th spot on the controller and the locomotive began to crawl slowly away, I nudged the dial only a gnats whats'it and it was away running great. At 50% it really was full steam ahead. I even added a seventh coach and it was just as happy, all the coaches were new 6 from the Railroad range and the seventh from the main range, so there should not have been any drag at all. So from that I would say this locomotive does not favour the Gaugemaster controllers. I do not know if that helps, I'm not an expert with these things, it's just an observation :) :) :) Thanks again Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

That's very interesting Colin, thanks for sharing - seems exactly like mine! The HM2000 uses feedback, which detects when a loco is 'struggling' and adjusts the output accordingly! Very interesting to know this, thanks a lot! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TS1402Ed]

I bought one of these and was heavily dissapointed when it didn't even budge. I don't know how yours runs at all, that or i just got a very, very faulty one. Since it didn't move i never had the chance to even run it it, well it would move when i had more than one engine on the line but i don't understand that.

[@SammoKarm]

Maybe a piece of kitchen foil, slid inside the female thread of the screw holding the front bogie, would be enough to keep the screw in place after adjusting it to the required position, would suffice?

[@SamsTrains]

Good idea Sam, could be worth a try! :D

[@skalemodelkorner289]

Cool review! Might get this one in BR black soon. Cheers, Luca

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much - that sounds pretty cool! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@KillerKahn]

Hi Sam. Thank you for makign this video. After watching this, I'm holding off purchasing this locomotive. I have noticed this video is more than a year old, and noticed a few of the comments suggesting that you return it for being faulty. Have you managed to return it and get a replacement? If so, how's the performance, now?

[@kevinhale9400]

If you do decide not to send this model back but repair it yourself, why not add a thin layer of paint into the NEM coupling section, let it dry and then fit, or force-fit the coupling back into it. It may be a simple solution.

[@daniel14duck33]

Great video Sam! When will you do another Shunting session? I would love to see that :)

[@SamsTrains]

Sure!! I'd love to do that again - great suggestion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lm-kr6td]

Hi Sam, I have one too. It runs ok for me, I have the same gauge master as you. The running plate is crooked like yours and the linkage near the piston on mine is scratched...was so out of the box. Maybe I’m alone in this but I think there is a niche market for hornby to make super high end locos of metal with sounds and maybe lights. I would buy one! I feel they are doing this strange balancing act between 100-140 pound locos with lots of detail but are scared to put their necks out and build something super special (such as live steam)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing! Yes that's true actually - it would be nice to see them try something like that.... but as always, with high prices come high expectations! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

Oh, by the way, without waiting for your invite (you were so wrapped up in watching over your model, you had forgotten it), I went engine spotting. The theme is Great Western Tank Engines, and you gave the odd one out away by showing him up close and personal behind the pub: LMS Jimmy the Jinty in BR Lined Black. Not like you to forget the engine spotting part. Yet, you sounded so unhappy I didn't have the heart to scoldingly remind you about it. So, with the Great Western theme, I recognised the 72 and 52xx Tank Engines, I'm sure the 0-6-2 tank engine was there and a Pannier Tank Engine (or was it two, meaning the half-cab Pannier and the 57xx cousin?). I'm sure that's all the tank engines covered. Hang on, the engine on the turntable looks like he might be Oliver's brother. I only got the back of the bunker.

[@bentullett6068]

What will make Sam even more upset is Dapol are bringing out the same class of locomotive but with all of detail and items this loco is missing, including a diecast chassis for £115 (without DCC fitted). Plus the Dapol model has a firebox glow.

[@SamsTrains]

Very well done Kelly - that's the right one!! And yes indeed - I hope to try the Dapol version too - should be VERY interesting! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robhorsley1]

Just opened my new tank engine and two screws fell out of box and body lifted away from chassis, great quality control from hornby! just hope it works. Will let you know in an hour

[@SamsTrains]

That's awful Rob - I'm shocked!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@robhorsley1]

Well it runs okay it’s not sluggish like yours is.I would definitely say yours isn’t right, However mine doesn’t like one of my hornby points going forwards, works fine backwards over it😀checked pickups and cleaned everything but still stops every time🤬 works fine over electrofrogs though. Having bought around 11 locos since starting this hobby at Christmas I find it extremely annoying that 3 don’t work properly even on a rolling road and are fit for display only and another 4 needed tweaks to get them to run well, mainly pickups not actually touching wheels. These cost a lot of money and should be tested by manufacturers before dispatching and work out of the box otherwise they will just lose customers and new people to the hobby will be put off with the frustration

[@robertsquires2816]

I have just bought a second hand version of this engine and it is struggling as you saw with yours. Did you find a replacement motor for it?

[@robinleach2251]

Re- the running problems: When you first got the loco out the box you can see by the wheel treads that it has already done a good bit of running; have been sent a loco that someone else had already returned??

[@SamsTrains]

Yes I noticed that too Robin - but they arrived in stock the same day mine was dispatched, so there was no time for that! I've noticed dirty wheels before - it seems to happen quite often! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@anthonykelly5461]

Just got one in BR livery. Not run in but similar motor performance issues. And one con rod pin fell off on SECOND circuit because the bolt wasn’t correctly tightened ! Seems motor performance issue is general so would really like your views on that Sam as that would enable me to return it without too much argument. Beautiful model though despite slightly bent running plate as you found which must be from poor moulds. Cheers

[@SamsTrains]

So sorry to hear that mate - if you suspect a fault, don't hesitate to return it... doesn't sound good :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@danielwalker2613]

I'm sure all GWR locos had the brass safety valve - a unique feature along with the copper top chimney. ... Why did Hornby decide to paint this in green ? .... A great review as always.

[@king_of_suddery]

If it is faulty, it came out this week, so it gives them time to fix any major problems with the loco which is why I'm gonna wait a bit until buying brand new locos

[@SamsTrains]

I'm not sure about that - they're all made in one go, you'd have to wait for a re-release of the model if you wanted to wait for them to fix issues! It's no excuse anyway - the reason they have samples is to iron out issues... in this case, the issues clearly weren't addressed (or at least not properly!) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jamesgilbart148]

It's very poor that the loco was supplied with such a loose coupling. You could try a bit of black tack to secure the NEM pocket in a removable way. The pocket is supposed to fail under too much tension so glueing it in to the triangular recess might be a problem if it ever broke.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks James! I got too impatient in the end and superglued it on - brutal, but got the job done! The pocket can still release under tension - the pocket is fine, it's just the socket I've glued! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Ryan871]

Yeah strange one that, I once had a Hornby Q6 which had the slowing down speeding up problem, I ended up sending it back to get a new one, but it’s so disappointing when you expect a new model to run perfect. Thanks for the review made me think twice about getting one now cheers Ryan

[@SamsTrains]

Oh yeah - my Q6 does that now too - and those are insanely expensive also! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@michelleroberts1103]

Hello Sam I have brought 2 of these so far. The first one the motor burnt out after a few minutes. The second I received today. Ran for around 3 minutes and completely stopped running. Going back and not sure whether to get another. Cheesed off about it. Glad to see it is not just me. Hornby need to sort this out. Disappointing loco after looking so forward to its release.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh so sorry to hear that - seems these issues are pretty common then! I'm pretty cheesed off about this too! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TrainsWithDavid]

hello sam i would like to try a large prairie and i might get one soon and i got my bachmann douglas repaired today and its running great and i do think the price for the large prairie is just right considering the crawl and the detailing and love the video from david

[@SamsTrains]

Fantastic David - that sounds great! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Engines 4110, 4115, 4121, 4144, 4150, 4156, 4160, 5193 and 5199 ended their days on banking duties on the same shed. All were preserved except 4156 which was scrapped at Barry in 1980. The other engines preserved were 4141, 5164.

[@SamsTrains]

Many thanks for this Luke - very interesting! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@utubebriano]

Hi Sam I am looking to buy one of these New .. did you ever sort the problem or did you get a replacement brian

[@brooklynroad8581]

My Hornby class 50 also rubbish coupling keeps droping, also dapol class 22 leans to one side. Ps send it back and get Hattons to check it before they send it to you. You got the duff one, some one had to. lol. keep up the good work.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sorry to hear that - no idea how they can get them so badly wrong some times!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@ConyaBalls2004]

I think the problem with the slowing down and speeding up could be the wheels not quartered properly (i think thats what its called, when they arent in the right place)

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it's a good thought, but if it was the quartering, we'd see issues on each rotation - instead, the slow downs happen every few seconds, which means it can't be that :/ Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@peterocallaghan3867]

mine lasted about a dozen runs now has stopped all together, some problem between contacts and motor as motor is ok but nothing through the wheels. hornby really need to up their game rather than trying out new scales (TT) too much negative comments on latest products. i fear for their future.

[@rydermike33]

Once you pointed it out Sam, my eye kept going to that wonky running plate! Could your example be 'warped' in some way and so jamming up the mechanism as a result? Just a thought. Many thanks as always.

[@BlaxlandRidge3]

That is an interesting theory.

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah - it's quite common with Hornby locos with the plastic running plate! But no, it performs just the same with the body off - it's a heavy metal chassis anyway, so the body wouldn't have much effect on it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@steveelliott9426]

Just bought one of these - similar issues with variable power/ speed. Quite light and not a quality feel... I agree with your review Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah - not terribly impressive are they? I expect Dapol's upcoming (and much cheaper) one will be way better! Thanks for watching, Sam :)