New Dapol Stroudley LBSC Coaches For O Gauge | Unboxing & Review

[@SuperRobotStudios]

Considering how much these cost and the scale they're in, I very much believe it's worth mentioning that these "brand new, newly tooled" coaches were manufactured in Chirk, Wales, which is a very welcome surprise and gives those that say "manufacturing is too expensive outside of China" something to put in their pipes and smoke.

[@EsotericArctos]

Totally agree with this. Sometimes it really is cheaper to make things at "home"

[@peterball8241]

Slight technicality, Chirk is in Wales but Dapol are just over the border in England, still a valid point though.

[@lellopesce]

As others pointed out, the "floppy" wheel system is used as "wheel load equalization", so that all four wheel are always in contact with the rails top when track is not even. So I would say that it was designed that way intentionally. In fact it look to be a very ingenious design. I would review the Quality to at least 4 1/2 stars. As always, an excellent review. Cheers.

[@BoianMitov]

Thank you Sam! I actually think the wheel mounting has some advantages, allowing the coach to navigate uneven track better without derailing. Fixed in place wheels are easier to derail on uneven track. I kind of like this design, although probably it can be made higher quality.

[@hartleymartin]

It is a type of 3-point suspension which is more or less essential on any four wheelers with a wheelbase more than about 70mm. We had problems with rigid chassis wagons on Stringybark Creek, particularly the K, U and RU wagons of the NSWGR which had an 11ft wheelbase.

[@davidbugler4597]

Excellent and fair review as always. I love watching your reviews, and as an 0 Gauge modeller I'm particularly delighted by this one. Like you, I was surprised by the sparse interiors. The brake blocks are so large because they represent hardwood rather than cast iron. This was common practice in the C19th, since before the introduction of continuous braking on passenger stock they were basically used more as parking brakes anyway. The steam brakes fitted to the locos were the principal means of slowing and stopping the trains. The interesting point here is that before mid-century, there were no steam brakes, just wooden-blocked hand-brakes on loco tenders, operated by the fireman, which must have made for some exciting moments on the footplate. The 'rocking' axleboxes are to provide compensation, which is a much more common feature in 0 Gauge than in smaller scales and generally provides a smoother ride -- which is of course important when you need good current pickup for the lighting.

[@hwmusics]

The loose axlebixes are very deliberate. Compensation is relatively common in the O scale world. The idea is to make the equivalent of a “three legged stool” which will be very sound and stable as opposed to a rigid 4 wheeler that could rock and cause issues if not dead level. Typically this is accomplished by making two wheels rigid and the other two to pivot on a rocking beam as Dapol have done here. Admittedly I’ve not seen the rocking beam to be on one side of the wagon/coach as much; typically one axle is rigid and the other pivots laterally. They are very nice coaches, and they must be quite imposing in the 8+ carriage rakes as intended. -Zach

[@alanbarker0901]

Hi Sam. Great video. Stiff couplings are a real pain until they've worn in, but a drop of lube/oil should sort them until they have. As for those loose axle boxes, they are designed to pivot from the centre. Should the track not be perfectly flat, the rocking movement allows all 4 wheels to remain in contact with the top of rail and prevent derailling.

[@mattlander9119]

The interior of the Brake is entirely accurate, apart from the missing guards compartment details. The seats in 3rd class were very simple bench seats with no padding and no divides between compartments. First class should have armrests and more detailed seats but you get what you get for the cost.

[@lindaoffenbach]

Great to see some O stuff again Sam. It's been quite a while. We were wondering if that specific 'loose' wheel design has been purposely engineered in that pivoting way with a thought to help keep them on the track since that arrangement allows the coach with fitted pipes to move somewhat freely up-down independently to some degree. They could have made those pipes out of some more rubbery material perhaps anyway since derailments seem evident as is. At least that would make more sense. Anyway, they look fab and some DIY might even add lights. Good stuff for the price. Cheerio.

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

I really love these Sam, I'm for sure going to get them. I think we need more pre-grouping coaches in O gauge, we have alot a freight wagon but not enough coaches :) Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot guys - yeah that makes sense! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gilbertporter4992]

Maybe Hattons could do their genesis coaches in O gauge.

[@iceeblueburst03]

Cool looking coaches

[@mrswany2008]

Really enjoying the O gauge reviews. Dapol are really making O gauge accessible for a lot more people. I'm diving into O gauge your terrier reviews have help me pick my first loco in O. The difference between oo and o is incredible

[@fabiansawilla7911]

Well, I'm 100% sure the "floppy wheel mounting" is intentional to balance the coach on uneven track. Just put a little bump on one rail and you'll see that still all four wheels are in contact with the rails at any time. A great feature I'd love to see more often

[@countottovanshanoo822]

The axle boxes are intended to move. It's called compensation, and any decent O gauge rolling stock has it - it makes running smoother. The big brake blocks would be wood.

[@SamsTrains]

What, just on the one side!?

[@countottovanshanoo822]

@@SamsTrains Yes, though more often at one end. Some, like Slaters kits, don't have compensation (plenty of kits to add it) but all 4 axles boxes are free to move which sort of does the same thing. I believe it's due to nearer scale flanges meets imperfect track.

[@mhgs13]

Another delightful review. I'm curious if the screw coupling was installed upside down. If it can be flipped over it might correct the problem. Really enjoy your videos.

[@trr94001]

The moving wheel mountings seem deliberate. I wonder if they would help on rough track on a garden layout.

[@amittastes7764]

What is very umm unsatisfying thing is that the brake coach is at the front😮 But great vdo!!😊😊

[@johncunningham6928]

Very nice coaches and a good review. If I had the money and space I might be tempted. A couple of thoughts. Firstly, those coaches seem to be in original condition, so I wonder if use of that pipe is actually correct. It would seem to be for the westinghouse air brake. Secondly, it is a shame about the lack of interior detail, a brake wheel would have been nice. Though passenger comfort on those Stroudley coaches was notoriously basic anyway. Having said that, they have got compensated chassis...!! And finally, if you did get another brake third, you could recreate that photo on the Hatton's page, even if you haven't got Poplar!

[@karenfan010]

“I’ve lost my nice guard I’ve lost my nice guard!”

[@jeremybalchin6872]

LB&SCR locomotives had bells mounted on the side of the tender to allow the train guard to communicate with the driver. I believe that the cable connection between the coaches is nothing to do with a braking system. It is an electrical connection that permits a train guard to communicate with the locomotive crew and vice versa using the bell code system, similar to that employed to communicate between signal boxes. This was introduced to inform locomotive crews on lengthy trains as a "right-away" signal that the train was ready to depart. Stroudley pioneered the introduction of communication cords on trains, and the cable connections serve this purpose.

[@paulsngaugechannel]

Super review Sam, I do like the O gauge these days. Dapol have done their selves proud. Yes a few minor niggles, but compared to 00 and N gauges, very small. Great review and I will have to think about scaling up a couple of gauges, maybe. Have a great weekend. 🎉😊

[@diamond_dude1011]

i got the 00 6-wheeled NBR red coaches from Hornby a while ago - they're absolutely gorgeous!

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh fantastic - yeah it's a lovely livery isn't it?? :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@VintageRenewed]

I have a feeling the reason for allowing the wheels to pivot and more around some is probably to help with track. If they were completely fixed in place and the coach ran on track with dips and such then they could derail. So by giving the ability for the wheels to move it makes it less likely to derail on poor track and thus less likely for customers to complain that coaches derail

[@tankmicr00man]

On the screen the two coupling bars looked to be different lengths? Lovely coaches though!👍

[@Decrepit_biker]

I wonder if the float in the wheels is an effort at compensation? A lot of O gauge have compensated axles in one way or another!

[@MasterOfDickery]

Hey Sam, just wanted to let you know that because of you I bought my first train set in 16 years this month after falling out with the hobby in my teens. FYI it was the Hornby Coke-cola train set.

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh that's lovely to hear - hope you really enjoy coming back to the hobby! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jeffreysmith156]

Well done for covering so many gauges. A friend has switched from OO to O. I believe he was going to get these coaches but was told they would not be suitable for his type of Peco track. I wonder if this is due to the close-coupling.

[@paulgilbert9346]

The chassis is compensated - that’s why the wheels seem loose. The compensation allows all the wheels to remain in contact with the track at all times - even on rough track.

[@timneil9418]

Thanks Sam,I haven't got a model railway but I love watching your channel it's very interesting,Tim🥋.

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

You should do a review Sam on the Dapol O gauge 57xx, I absolutely love mine Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@davidstrains4910]

Good review here Sam, nice to see the O gauge again and some very nice coaches from Dapol. I already told you about some of the additions I have had to my collection lately but just the other day I was able to pick up a couple of other items these being a heljan D0280 Falcon which is a really nice heljan locomotive and I also was able to get one of the hornby mk1 coaches in the departmental red and blue livery.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot David - yeah they're lovely aren't they? Ahh sounds fantastic - really glad you're happy with it! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@star86703]

Wow these o gauge Coaches look really nice 👍😊🤩

[@SamsTrains]

They are lovely aren't they?? :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@hartleymartin]

Can't wait for the next batch in SR Green livery to go with my SR Green A1X Terrier.

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Awesome! Love the 0 gauge!

[@SamsTrains]

I do too!! :D

[@tripel7470]

Always great to see Sam have 0 scale content

[@PaulSmith-pl7fo]

Hi Sam. They are indeed beautiful coaches. "Woodworm": I guess Dapol were keeping their options open in terms of interior equipment. Brake Pipes: May be dipping them in hot/warm water may make the more pliable. Coupling: With any luck, "working" it may make it a little looser and it will work a little better.

[@olliecat1927]

Looks great with the Terrier!

[@SamsTrains]

They sure do! :D

[@Gothix1066]

The drawbar mechanism for these coaches really took me aback. Quite the surprise.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Cool coaches!! Would look wonderful behind a Terrier tank locomotive!!

[@edwardhawke8338]

Re: lack of interior detail - Is this a project for your 3-D printer?

[@ciaranburke3243]

Very nice for the money sam, maybe a tiny dab of lubricant on the joints of the chain link coupling and move it back forward may loosen it up 👍

[@BIG_RED_PRODUCTIONS_official]

Sam I just thought of something what if you mass produce a coupler that is slightly longer than the one for these coaches so then that way they can make it around every degree of corner and not look like they are being forced together by a hydraulic press

[@JonatanGronoset]

The couplings would need to be a loose fit to work properly. My solution would be to sit and fidget them up and down for a while to maybe wear the pins down, or take them apart if possible and gently enlarge the holes with a fine drill. Screw link couplings and sprung drawbars, grand.

[@HA1LILPALAZZO]

think they changed the law about braking after the 1889 Armagh disaster in Northern Ireland when the back half of a sunday school excursion train (mainly full of children but with others taking advantage of a day out) ran away down a hill and crashed into another train following behind

[@numptypootis8012]

Might be an idea but when I have a stiff coupling, be it O gauge or OO gauge with smiths screwlinks and the like, I oil the joints so they flex and articulate nicer

[@StockportJambo]

I would look at the lack of furniture in the guard's van as a plus rather than a negative. A blank canvas to model and place your own.

[@IliaChakarovGaming]

Woooooo!! Gotta love O gauge things ❤❤

[@SamsTrains]

Absolutely!! :D

[@skeetermctavish5386]

Hey Sam, love the videos. I want to get all the mahogany coaches. Do you know how many there are in a full set?

[@potatosspilled6621]

Morning Sam! Nice video! 👍. Do you think I should get a Terrier?

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much! In O scale? Sure, they're brilliant models :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@potatosspilled6621]

@@SamsTrainsOK, THANKS😀

[@Zebrails]

Those pipes that don't flex on tight curves, give them a cut, then cover with shrink tubing.

[@gajp0192]

Both mine had one axel loose as well.

[@stefanattrill8565]

Me too.

[@darknut9696]

Seeing these running behind a small 0-6-0 looks so right, I guess the Railway Series have a lot to answer for (also the engine should be blue)

[@peterstiles6921]

Terriers are MUCH smaller than E2s... And the E2 should be pulling BOGIE coaches if you read your books :)

[@EsotericArctos]

I am not quite sure how your grading worked with this one, Given everything was 4 star, with 4 1/2 on value, and a rating of 8.3, not quite sure how it got a C. I guess you have your cutoff's. Maybe a C+ rating. They did have a couple of flaws, but mostly they were really great :). The coupling was a little let down, maybe it could be wiggled a little to loosen it up, but I get the disappointment on that. Dapol have a bad track record with couplings. Thanks for another great review . Really enjoyed seeing these and I think for O scale modellers of this era, these are really worth while.

[@DouglasParkinson]

As has been said, I think the loose wheel/pickup situation is partly intentional, it gives compensation to the chassis that allows for improved navigation and sitting on track. It may be that that mechanism is too loose on your example. But the lacking interiors are rather disappointing.

[@SamsTrains]

I don’t think so - on both coaches it’s only on one side!

[@katywalker8322]

@@SamsTrains , I would only expect compensation on 2 wheels. Otherwise the coach would rock front to back.

[@davetube7362]

Sam your time stamps are incorrect there are no sections separating reviews and performance

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you Dave! Fixed :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@davetube7362]

​@Sam'sTrains :) Great review sam

[@briandesens144]

Awesome video Sam's trains

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Brian :D

[@briandesens144]

@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Nice review overall they look good , wouldn't mind some myself 😜, All the best Brian 😃

[@gemmyferr]

Sam can you 3d print an o gauge uncle fredricsons balanceing coache

[@Alpha-oo8]

I say, that’s a high score a “C” grade… is there a list that tells us what the score has to be per grade?

[@BoianMitov]

For comparison, it would have been interesting to see it tested without the pipe mounted.

[@jrcarchive1932]

They actually look really nice.

[@BrokenIET]

Hahah, those ends look really weird without couplings or buffers! If I were you I'd get another brake just to stop it annoying me lol. Bit annoying with the interiors, maybe you could 3D print a brake compartment and some luggage racks like you did for the brakevan, though it should've had one fitted from the factory. Might get one just to play with those weird long buffers lol.

[@davidmolin8944]

Those are some hot coaches, might I suggest printing out some hooks for the nem couplings so you can use it going the right way round

[@Jason_The_Stooge]

They look rather lacking...I was expecting a lot of underside detail, I also have never seen any of these coach's with no buffers! Despite that they do have a great Finnish. Cheers Sam!

[@potatosspilled6621]

Hi Sam! Love your videos! 👍👏 What is the difference between OO and HO scale models and track?

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! The track is the same gauge, so you can run the models interchangeably if you decide, but the actual scales are different - OO is 1:76, HO is 1:87 Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@potatosspilled6621]

@@SamsTrains so, it’s not enough to make a difference?

[@OlivierGabin]

Superb models at a decent price, save the crude and basic interior, the only real downside of those coaches. It's a good choice for O gauge modellers : small coaches for short trains, that's what O gaugers looks first. And, as usual on Dapol's models, the couplings are... problematic, whatever the scale (not so on N models for me). Seems commercially that Dapol is bracketing Hornby : they recently made in N the 9F and the 7MT Britannia, both in OO in the Hornby's offer but with some drawbacks (see your tests of both for reference), and here, they made a precise model in O of a pre-grouping two-axle coach, going further ahead as what Hattons and, of course, Hornby had done with their generic 2/3 axles coaches. So, can we expect Dapol to release those models in OO, both the engines and the coaches ? This won't surprise me, maybe next year that would be done... by the way, what is your radius of your home-made R1 O curves ? I'm looking for O gauge that can be set in my flat, where space is very limited, and if I can run this kind of vehicle on tight curves, that would make me reconsider buying Piko G scale engines...

[@robertlucido3686]

I saw that on a live stream for tomorrow your going to feature a cheap Z scale train set are you going to put that on your TT scale layout along with the N scale

[@JustinFrazier_360]

Amazing o gauge coaches

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Justin! They are :D

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

Nice consist you got there. And thanks for the grey open wagon that Taggart00(?) didn't want. I've fitted the NEM couplings, and stuck the buffers in to their holes with blu-tak. The brake parts are too tiddly-fiddly for me to fit on, so I've left them off. I'm wondering about something. Should I paint the wagon or not? If you think I ought to, which colour would suit best? I'm in need of a second opinion.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Kelly - wow that was very fast! Ahh no problem hope you enjoy... ooh interesting! Why not have a go at painting it?? Good practice! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@kellyashfordtrains2642]

@@SamsTrains What colour would you choose?

[@mauricioantunespereira3461]

Annie clarabel

[@markolysynchuk5264]

It appears, that the wheels have metal tyres, and the inner wheel seems to be made of wood planks. Seems ridiculous, as they're going to support the weight of the coach and the passengers.

[@DangerAngelous]

I was very confused about why half of these on Hattons were missing buffers and things, the more you know!

[@geode1691]

Lovely video could you please do a custom o gauge model mabye a 28xx

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

GOOD VID THANKS LEE

[@SamsTrains]

THANKS LEE

[@bryantan863]

These coaches from Dapol are very nice Sam. I really like them but the only things I do not like these coaches that they have no luggage racks above the sets and there is no break wheel in the break coach. I do not if you are going to do a 3D printed interior for the break coach. Just like what you have done to your Dapol breakvan Sam.

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Awesome video today Sam

[@TrainFan591]

If they were oo I probably would get it It looks just soo good!!!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah exactly!! I think they should do them in OO... but there'll be little demand now I expect! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@levidarling5107]

I love these coaches Sam, it’s a real shame that they don’t sell to the states, because I live here and have a Lionel O scale layout, yet I plan to have a good bunch of British along side the classic American trains, but if anyone would like to know how you can use these on an American layout, my best guess information for everyone including you too Sam, is to 3d print your own couplers weather they be screw link or knuckle couplers, that can fit on those nem pockets on the coaches. Hope this helps everyone!

[@djdaz72]

There’s a service called forward2me which some people in the states use to ship lava lamps from the uk , could be worth taking a look at

[@XleeHS]

Annie & Clarabel

[@MaxwellTheTrainFan]

Can you get a 0-4-0 engine in O guage

[@michaelschultz5127]

Sam , you can put a smaller bullman in one of the coaches.

[@ThomasPBSarchive]

I had no idea these coaches ran as drawbar sets as nearly every phot I've seen of one clearly shows buffers and chain couplers at both ends. These coaches are the most well-known of the 4-wheel coaches that ran in the UK thanks to models of them being used in Thomas and Friends as Annie, Clarabel, and the red coaches.

[@IIIIIIlllllllIIILLL]

Do you have a stasion on your O Gauge Layout

[@ericking4219]

Hi Sam, Just purchased a full rake of 6 suburban coaches, disappointed that three had loose wheels in the bottom of the box, but the most disappointing coach was the brake coach that had a detached red back end and the footplates were off, not the end of the world and considering the boxes were not damaged a little bemused but can only blame quality controlled, made in the UK? Managed with a little glue to repair, but when paying such high costs for these items not a good advertisement. Keep up the good work, Kind Regards, Eric.

[@RSG003]

How come you don't review NCB waggons or EWS hopper waggons?

[@SamsTrains]

I could do - thanks for the suggestion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

Hi Sam I have 1 question. Does the 56xx, 1P, 45xx have removable cabs? Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

I'm not too sure about those - pretty sure not though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@itsthebeaushow3584]

Nice coaches and an awesome vid like normal Sam, can I ask you if the Hornby LNER 6 wheel coaches are any good because I recently bought an old Triang LNER J.83 at a train fair. Im a massive fan and have been watching for 5 years regards from AU.

[@94Angelwing]

Are all the holes in the interior chassis to allow crew , passengers or other detail to be fitted, as in they have a peg on their feet to put in the hole? Could you 3D print some detail for the brake coach?

[@marcod1600]

Big 4 wheel hornby coaches! Hahahahaha

[@danieljarvis3125]

Are there accessories you can add to the interior?

[@LDFE2002]

It’s Stepney

[@michaelfeldman-budarick9295]

Its a shame you cant make a continuous run o gauge sam it would make it so much easy for your reviews

[@Alpha-oo8]

I am so not used to seeing rolling stock like this without buffers

[@miguelangelgarrido7233]

Hola buen dia excelente modelo muchas gracias por el video😃👍👍👍

[@r.a.monigold9789]

LBSC - Library for British School Children Forgive a "Yank's" wild guess. I'm sure its more mundane than that - London Bobbies Scold Criminals

[@shreosisircarmondal4348]

Hey SAM why are you not making any new Thomas & His Friends videos???????????????????????????????

[@datguymiller]

20:37 passangers would have hated that

[@the_failed_states]

i really want o gauge

[@trainsyork4608]

hi sam can we see more 0 guage content please. its been a while and the other day i was gonna comment but fogot

[@gelwaregeorge2685]

i just know you want the Hornby Coca Cola bubble car

[@Jimyjames73]

Nice Carriages 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@haydona]

Hi I'm ahuge fan

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Haydon! :D

[@haydona]

@Sam'sTrains I'm just wondering where do you get your locomotives from