Another Glue-Covered Mess | Hornby 20T LMS Brake Van | Unboxing & Review

[@97SEMTEX]

Being a Hornby fan is like being stuck in an on-again, off-again relationship with your emotionally distant ex-you overlook the glue marks and derailed promises because, every now and then, they show up with an absolute masterpiece that reminds you why you fell for them in the first place... right before they ghost you with another price hike. I should call her...

[@RichardKuivila1947]

They are like the Movie "Ground Hog Day". "Wash, Rinse and Repeat" !

[@lapiswake6583]

I bought mine in July 2022 for about £25, and there were no glue marks, and it ran perfectly like yours. However, the interior detailing isn't very visible because it's moulded in clear plastic. So after my purchase, I spent a couple of days detailing it up so the interior would be the right colour, as well as the wooden veranda floor and the white lamp irons and step edges.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear that! Oh that's weird about the interior - wonder if it's part of the glazing then?? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Louie-WanKenobi-og4rk]

6:33 "S&T, which stands for Sam's and Trains." Bruh, I had to play that a few more times to make sure I'm hearing right.

[@SamsTrains]

hahahaha!!

[@Gatherleymodeller.]

Same 😂

[@dibsyardshuntinglayout]

Me too! 😂

[@benforster6254]

Me and my cousin both have 2 of these each and were purchased in the last year and they are perfectly fine models. Looks like you just got a duffen.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear you were happy with yours! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@chrissouthgate4554]

@@SamsTrains The curse of Sams Trains strikes again. Buying the Duff copies of models so that everyone else can get the good stuff.

[@jackstrains4468]

Lovely looking livery, i quite like the br blue and yellow on it - the assembly with all that glue is shocking! Great vjdeo as always sam :)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Jack - yeah I really like the livery too - and yeah, pity about the glue! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@a2020vision_official]

Given how big an impact a few stray glue marks can have, I'm surprised the big manufacturers haven't looked into alternate adhesives. Some of them may come with worker health and safety concerns, which is fair enough, but CA isn't exactly fun to use to begin with. After a few bad experiences with plastic cement and CA glue, I now use plain white glue almost exclusively to attach detail parts, at least on models already painted. It requires more patience, but it's very forgiving and possible to do again if it does break. It also dries clear and has an extremely good price compared to other glues

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah it surprises me too - I use white glue on all of my models now and it just doesn't leave the marks! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

@@SamsTrains I take the white glue for finish on painted models as a good idea to apply. Thanks to you both for this info !

[@kimcason8764]

Yep, I always use PVA glue on Glazing Parts as it dries Clear & holds well. And you ( or I ) can really Balls up the Application of the Glue but once dry is easy to Clean up. SuperGlue or Poly, Totally Destroys the Window/Glass surface which is un Fixable..! But each to their Own I guess. But this 68yr old with a Serious case of the 'Wobbles' (Thx. Mr. Parkinson) uses PVA as much as Possible. Cheers All from Downunder 😎🦘

[@brianfearn4246]

I recommend PVA for attaching Metal name plates 😊

[@RaysRailVideos]

Health and safety dont matter in China and India so the glue can be as toxic as it needs to be to work

[@m10cachilles43]

I have the LMS grey version. I don't think that had a glue problem. I was quite pleased with it.

[@DJ_K666]

I think I've got a couple of these. One of them I won in a draw at GETS. I was actually talking to Simon Kohler on Hornby's stand when the HM stand 10 feet away put my name out over the PA to go over there. Lets see if I win anything this year, hehe As to the build quality it's definitely the factory throwing them along the production line. Not allowing time to remove excess glue. I've worked in production and never again,

[@jackstrains4468]

I voted for you for toutuber of the year for hornby magazine! You aree my favourite after all!

[@modelrailfan37]

Same here!!!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh thank you so much - really appreciate that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Gatherleymodeller.]

Toutuber

[@Gatherleymodeller.]

Aree

[@nounoufriend1442]

Still few of these on the go , been converted to Shark waggons (ballast plough ) we had one to re-rail , but couldn't get jacks under , had to slide it back on

[@hughoconnor9172]

It may be discounted at retailers but most reduce by x amount and then charge for p&p which cancels out any discount. For anything approaching £30 I would expect at least, sprung buffers and usable lamp brackets, if not a working rear led.

[@markgouthro7375]

I do love to see the differences between UK and Canadian rail. Break vans are so different, but a logical difference.

[@JerseyBill-x9r]

Well, when it comes to spilling award for stopping Hornbee may have been taking a break from spelling the ward brake after all we all need a break now and ten. The smeared fingerprints may be an attempt at weathering by Hornbee so again give them a brake. The review was on the money, and I do like the look of the thing. Great video, Jersey Bill

[@rodimussupreme2329]

Can you try typing that again, but without having a stroke?

[@SamsTrains]

hahahaha!!

[@JerseyBill-x9r]

@@rodimussupreme2329 LOL x 10

[@floydfan27]

​@@SamsTrains I presume the side windows were called duckets because the guard would have to suck down to see out the windows? Love your channel mate as your reviews are a really honest. Always look forward with enthusiasm to your uploads. Are you going to review the bachmann class 31?

[@PlatformONE]

​@SamsTrains you need a translator for whoever posted that first comment!

[@MayoHosko]

Shocking quality the glue monster is back

[@JustinFrazier_360]

That's so amazing review sam

[@kclassproductions]

It seems that Bullman has made his first appearance in a while! Great review Sam

[@nigelarmstrong252]

Don't think I've ever seen a BR blue brake van like that, it looks wrong, especially the all yellow ends. That said, it does look like quite a nice model. With regards to the glue marks, maybe Hornby were attempting to create some weathering haha. Nice review as always. Maybe this is a way Hornby can bring in some easy revenue by re-releasing rolling stock with different liveries at a "value" price.

[@maltnz]

Try a cotton bud with a small amount of IPA to wipe away the glue mist. Don't rub hard or long on the paint as it will start to come off, but depending on the glue Hornby used misting can come off. Actual glue stains (rather than the drying mist) probably won't come off so the window fingerprint is most likely there to stay. That said, a coating of clear gloss can improve the windows with glue by reducing the effect.

[@dl582]

Any particular IPA or can you getaway with best bitter?

[@maltnz]

@@dl582

[@SammyGarnett-m3j]

I just bought the EWS version and thankfully for me no glue marks at all but oddly a bit of dust.

[@StormmyStormmy]

Cool looking model with the obligatory nem pockets are very welcome, if or when Hornby invest in a quality control department things will start to get better for them, great price overall to be fair, thanks for sharing.

[@Shark_Builds_Bro]

Hey Sam, I thought of an idea for an alternate coupling style you could use with your era 1 rolling stock. If you made a third intetchangable coupling with a small magnet embedded inside, you could connect the cars together with a real metal chain. They would be stronger than the 3D printed chains, and theoretically be easier to connect together.

[@SamsTrains]

That's really cool - thanks for the neat idea! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@johnbeck3270]

This would also create the “slack” that this style of coupling would create. I don’t know when Europe and Great Britain went to the “turnbuckle” style coupling.

[@adalbertbuchaniec1199]

Sam, Union Pacific 4014 passed near Chicago, IL in the United States today. Managed to catch it at Lombard.

[@TenCJones]

On the brown SECR six wheel brake van #2005, by Rivarossi, they actually have used the word "BREAK" on the side of the van! Great review as always Sam. Thanks.

[@JohnDavies-cn3ro]

In Victorian days up until the 1923 grouping, a number of railways did use the word 'break van' for a guard' van or brake van - I know, it looks odd to us, and I've never known the reason why - something to do with the vagaries of the English language, I expect. Didn't know that R'rossi had made a Chatham guards van. D'you mean Rapido?

[@TenCJones]

@@JohnDavies-cn3ro Yes Rapido sorry. And I didn't know that that's very interesting thanks!

[@mthhandyman]

Really like your channel. Old man from Utah, USA.

[@madhatter61]

Brown one is 23.50 now. Plus postage as rails charge postage .

[@Lewis-kf2pj]

Oh Sam, what have you done? Now you’ve said that £30 seems really reasonable for a brake van, Hornby will whack it up to at least £45! They cannot be seen to be reasonable, it’s against their whole outlook on life…. :)

[@railway187]

As long as we can get a break van for 15 why would we buy a brake van for 45? Brake the bank van 😂 and free glue weathering included 🤣

[@stevbrkr]

S&T used to be the abbreviation for the Signals and Telecoms branch of engineering.

[@PoxyMoxon97]

Used to be? It still is

[@DHodgson]

Hi Sam, try some warm soapy water on a soft cotton bud or cloth on those white glue marks, it's sometimes only misting from the glue vapour. Clear glazing might not be removable though.

[@Ianshandle999]

or CA removal fluid

[@davidmolin8944]

Honestly the blue and yellow coloring looks very interesting on the brakevan since I’m very used to seeing them in brown or black

[@keiranallcott1515]

I wonder if Sam could put in the brake van , an interior light for the compartment and even a flickering one for the stove , and also a smoke generator for the stovepipe.

[@ShikiKiryu]

Oh so thats what that is, saw it on the end of a train in an earlier review a few weeks ago but couldnt tell what it was and I liked the livery design.

[@gregoru98]

I really like the livery on this one.

[@WarmBreezeStudios]

I love this kind of Brake Van

[@martinpattison1567]

A brake van with separately fitted glue marks. If there is a new model available and it is for Sam's Trains let's send him the worse one we have. Martin. (Thailand)

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

It's a very interesting livery for a break van Sam, I might get some of these for my layout. Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

It is isn't it? Mainly bought this because of the livery... and the price! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@briandesens144]

Awesome video Sam

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Brian!

[@briandesens144]

@@SamsTrains you're welcome

[@davidstrains4910]

I like the livery on this brake van, I don’t recall ever seeing a break van have BR blue on it, it’s always been some unique livery I have seen them in, glue marks can be annoying I have bought many second hand models that are covered in them so yes on something new they shouldn’t be there but saying that this is just your model, there are most likely many others out there that don’t have glue marks on them, might look at picking this one up in the future, as I say I have never seen a brake van in BR blue before so it would make an interesting item to have

[@SamsTrains]

It's very cool and unusual isn't it? Yeah visible glue really is a pet hate of mine... and I've built so many models myself and been able to avoid it, that I just can't overlook and forgive it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@azuma892]

The RM Web guys will go crazy over you saying S&T stands for Sam's and Trains. "He knows nothing about the prototype blah blah blah." 🤣

[@SamsTrains]

hahaha excellent - I like cropping up on RMweb! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@harrytodhunter5078]

The RMweb crowd will go crazy at Sam regardless for daring to say something slightly negative about Hornby.

[@ianstransporthistorystuff8175]

Love S&T ( Sam's & Trains )😂 don't worry about those RM lot ,I used to work for British rail and they would all be having fits if they saw what I run on my railway like a GWR pannier tank with with 1980s mark 1s or a blue class 25 with GWR wagons ect 😂 it's all about having fun and your model railway is were you can run what you want 😊 I actually like this brake van, and this colour, think I will have to get one to go with my other grey and brown ones.

[@RaysRailVideos]

​@harrytodhunter5078 the rmweb crowd go nuts just at the word train haha there a bunch best avoiding I find

[@jibbsey]

Being it's a Hornby model "break van" could very well seem appropriate down the line... Cop that one RM'rs 😂

[@mytinplaterailway]

I do think models should have lamp iron brackets than can take actual lamps. It's a nice detail being able to put lamps on brake vans. And on this it would much improve the look of it.

[@phil36310]

"Glue-covered Mess" is actually Hornby's attempt for RTR weathered rolling stock ! Sam: you should know this....🤓

[@ManiaChat83]

Thats an absolute, great break van! The paint job reminds me more like the color of one of those diesels. Kind of similar - :)

[@OragamiTobichi-bi6lh]

Very nice I like it. For now I'm looking for more good trains to get. Hope ur ok my friend. Ur the best. Keep being awesome. Ur the best Sam. Hope to see more exciting trains

[@stealthninja5]

For the spelling, same thing was done on that season 2 Thomas And Friends episode (Donald And Douglas in U.S. dub). Whether that spelling error was intentional or accidental, it remains unknown. lol

[@capitallines]

"A bucketful of brown" - that could be the birth of a catchphrase!

[@RaysRailVideos]

I find it amazing just how many things are made from wood on the railways, id hate to have to try and work out how many trees have been used over the years 😅

[@LittleWales11]

Sam great video keep up the great vids and ouch with the glue😮

[@MrStabby19812]

I had no idea those vans were painted in blue and yellow in RL. Don't feel silly for painting an old model now

[@bryantan863]

Hornby's LMS 20t Brake Van looks very nice. It is a shame that your example has glue marks which makes it look quite unsightly to look at. Plus, there is not much separately fitted detail parts on the brake van but the price is reasonable. Overall, it is a pretty good model brake van from Hornby, Sam.

[@chris_3636]

I'd be very surprised if one of those brake vans ever ran in that livery, although I'll be happy to be told otherwise.

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Great vid Sam, they are nice bits of rolling stock these, shame about the glue!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate - yeah decent overall, just can't abide the visible glue! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kimcason8764]

Wow Great Price..! I Just checked Ebay ( Australia ) $62.oo AUD plus $14. for postage. Don't know what the Exchange rate is today, but that's 'Top Dollar' in my Book..!🤔 Great Review as Always thx for your Efforts 'Sam & Trains'.😂 Cheers All 🦘😎🐪😂🦎

[@leelishman7137]

Most modelers will weather the brake vans so glue marks really dont matter.

[@stevenhaneklaus8087]

You do awesome reviews Sam, are you gonna do any more of your repair videos

[@stephendavies6949]

It is a shame, as for £14 it's a great looking piece of rolling stock. Still, I'd have asked for a replacement due to all those glue marks. Sams & Trains 😂😂😂

[@peterwoodley7473]

Just got mine second hand £5 boxed

[@AQuietNight]

Would fingernail polish remover get rid of the glue marks without harming the paint?

[@Alpha-oo8]

I rather like the livery on this, I’d like one of those

[@ElaineJones-w5e]

I bought mine for £19.95 last year looks great though 👍👍👍👍

[@robertsparks3685]

I have to wonder if Hornby might replace your brake van because of all the glue.

[@SamsTrains]

I'm sure they would do - they'd have to if I asked - but the review's done now, so it's not worth the faff! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@hornbyman4474]

yes i will

[@Jimyjames73]

A Nice simple but basic Brake Van 😉🚂🚂🚂

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

nice brack van thanks for the cool vid runs well on the track thanks lee

[@1471SirFrederickBanbury]

Considering that many model kit manufacturers can make their kits fit together without glue, and that plastic solvents like Tamiya extra thin cement exist, this is completely inexcusable and Hornby should owe you a deep apology.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that's right - can't understand how this keeps happening with Hornby! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@michaelwhite8031]

You should design a wagon or a break van with Sam''s trains printed on it ?

[@railway187]

Are these glue marks? Maybe it's free weathering? Well, at that price it doesn't break the brake van, does it? I would fancy one, if it were available at that price at this side of the Northsea... Greetings from Belgium 🙋‍♂️ Erik

[@lukewolsey]

Sam you might have done this before and I've missed or forgotten it, but how does your rating system work? 'E' seems a really poor grade, but the score is 7/10, which isn't bad at all. Could you give a little more detail? Thanks.

[@SamsTrains]

Sure - the grades are distributed so that there’s about the same number of models awarded each grade A-F. The grade boundaries are set based on the previous years’ data. Hope this helps!

[@jamesdunloptrains]

Awesome video today Sam such a shame about all the glue marks on the model

[@ReallyUsefulPinkEngine29]

Good brake van!

[@joshuaW5621]

Hornby sure glued themselves into this mess.

[@airaero5473]

Hey Sam! I haven't commented since I believe your Underground Ernie vid (PTSD XD). Idk if you take requests from strangers from your comments section but I would love to see your own take on two Bachmann HO scale starter sets: the Overland Limited and one I personally grew up with, The Chattanooga.

[@blinard1]

I really wish you wouldnt put the outcome in the title of the video. I like finding stuff out as the video goes on

[@dennisneo1608]

It's Hornby. So you know it's going to be a mess.

[@tulyar1043]

Airfix first introduced this model at the end of the 1970s. All Hornbee have done is added the weight under the body.

[@SamsTrains]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the Airfix one - looks like a much newer tooling to me! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jayeff3196]

Sam, how about some O gauge reviews...😊

[@NWRJ_WStudios]

Well Sam, it looks like the glue monster is back lol ;) Cheers Jasper & Willow

[@SamsTrains]

haha yep - he's been away but now he's back! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Gatherleymodeller.]

So cool 😊

[@samgarnett9174]

Myself coming from Chester never has glue made me so sad😞

[@levidarling5107]

I agree that stray glue may ruin a model, however I think this brake van is still a wonderful model for how much it costs.

[@Alextrains502]

I own one in Lms brown and it has no glue on it

[@jembrackett6319]

A 'ZTO'😊 does not have a vacume brake pipe as it is unbraked and not "piped''

[@sleepyren_]

"sams & trains" my sides

[@soerenwizard]

The break van broke....?

[@justsomethingyouseeonline7387]

Let's hope that a certain tender engine does not smash it up

[@marionbloom1218]

"Reasonably light weight, as you'd expect for a brake van . . " Sorry Sam? Brake vans are usually heavy so they can exert the necessary brake force to slow down the train ahead of them!?

[@SamsTrains]

I meant in model form - I don't know of any heavy ones except Bachmann's Queen Mary! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@tripwire3992]

My city on a brake van, sound

[@ItsTrainFun]

I think I would say for new 25/30 if there were no fingerprints on it

[@hughoconnor9172]

Giving a rating by comparative pricing is a bit bizarre! Just because something doesn't cost as much as something else does not mean it offers value for money. I wouldn't pay anything over £15 for a piece of rolling stock in any case. You failed to mention that the vehicle is named Bertie, though why Chester named it that I have no idea but it does mean it won't be seen on a layout that is based on a particular region far away from Chester.

[@OlivierGabin]

Sploshed over with glue, yikes ! I have this one in LMS and BR guise, it's a nice model. Shame for the botched glueing !

[@threegoldmartlets]

4:03 "Break vans" is of course wrong. But it wasn't always so. Well into the latter years of the 19th century "break van" was the correct terminology.

[@kenjohnson-n3e]

Love the website and will continue to watch.Hornby customer service is very good and will usually will replace if not happy.Just purchased new Railroad R30182 from Hornby direct and shipped to me in USA in 3 days super fast and Class 47 was awesome for 96 quid cant get better that that.The only sad part is the communist county they are made in you cant complain or criticize there or you would be removed from KZbin. Just think how lucky you are Sam to have free speech keep up the good work with more videos.

[@Damien.D]

Brake van, with "God of Railways fingerprints" weathering. Imagine the real life size of His Migthy Fingers!

[@SomeGuynamedOtto]

very nice

[@Alpha-oo8]

I’m still confused by the letter grades… 7/10 = I would have thought that would at least be a D?

[@SamsTrains]

It doesn’t - the boundaries are set to give an even distribution - so compared to what else I review, this is an E!

[@Alpha-oo8]

@@SamsTrains can I have a list of the grade thresholds so I’m not confused in future please?

[@alexhayden2303]

"Bertie". Did they all have their own names?

[@langdontomkins001]

S & T......... Isn't it Signalling and Telegraph?

[@PoxyMoxon97]

Signal and Telecoms :)

[@williamweller7428]

William 0:21

[@johnbeck3270]

Hornby appears to up their quality control a bit. The finger prints on the paint work and glazing is really inexcusable.

[@HighballMachineWorks]

Guess you could say that Hornby didn’t misspell brake van, because all the visible glue will “break” your mind

[@vossrightfurtwangler9989]

Just for reference, back in Victorian / Edwardian times, the Great Western at least used to call them "break" vans.

[@nigelcole1936]

Another fine mess they've gotten us into - real shame about the glue

[@RichardKuivila1947]

BREAK is OK in Hornbys SPELL Checker S/W.