Samsung Says Photos Aren't Real! (feat. The Verge's Allison Johnson) | The PetaPixel Podcast

[@thatjordandrake]

Important corrections! The movie I watched in English was The TALENTED Mr.Ripley, he was in no way ‘Fantastic’. Also, I want to see The Boy and the Heron win Best ANIMATED Picture, not Best Picture. That should go to Past Lives. Thank you for your time.

[@NotAnotherChannel_Channel]

Darn. I thought Fantastic Mr. Ripley was a super-secret unreleased sequel.

[@janromo9753]

The amount of times the word “like” was used in this podcast was unsettling.

[@RichardoBrit]

49:00 - so glad you brought this up and stood your ground. It’s so key that you keep your credibility

[@robert_may]

It's been interesting being on the receiving end of some of these company contacts as a relatively new and small KZbinr. It didn't take long until I was getting emails offering review units, but very quickly those conversations turned to terms like "we require you to submit your review to us before publishing", after which I just noped out. On the upside, it helped me solidify my attitude towards my channel going forward, in that I'd rather make nothing at all than be told what to do by someone else, or say something I don't want to say 😄 It's nice to see that this sort of attitude is still possible at a larger scale, and having bigger names refuse these terms is good for the industry as a whole.

[@southendsites]

Your credibility are Your brand, If something does not ring true You would lose viewers in droves. If a company tries this dictation They could also lose because if someone is looking to buy and there are a series of similar reviews people might well smell a rat and avoid the brand.

[@reek75]

Did you guys forgot to post a6700 vs xs20 video?

[@nic0fpvnicolas606]

30:53 what Jordan is trying to say is that there is no replacement for displacement

[@loganoleary9183]

Looks like I'll be buying a TTL flash! I was leaning that way anyway but wanted to see if there was any way to make the current setup work. Much appreciate the advice!

[@ericaceous1652]

I don't think you're shills. You're one of my trusted outlets - you guys, Gordon Laing, Gerald Undone.

[@falxonPSN]

Don't forget Kasey from Camera Conspiracies!

[@ericaceous1652]

I liked Allison, she was a fun guest :) 41:40 I have a Sony phone, a Sony Xperia V III. I really like it - mainly for the form factor (not a wide phablet style), the screen and the almost antique niceties like SD card slot and headphone jack. It does great video, but the photo quality is so so - I like that it tends to colour balance quite naturally and not oversaturate images, but I think the images could probably do with a little extra processing to really make them shine, especially low light images. This is in the basic mode, which is the only mode I use on the phone - cos if I want to mess with settings and edit, I'll just take my mirrorless cameras.

[@chrisw443]

How can anyone take those contracts for review copies, and remain ethical?! Extremely proud of further journalistic integrity there guys!!!

[@the_wiki9408]

The biggest problem with iPads is the file system and the workflow. The applications are great. But like every day you run into some clunky file handling thing that gets in your way.

[@Rocking_J_Studio]

Regarding the question about shooting with a manual flash...I shot weddings on film using a manual flash (and manual focus) for years and I'm here to tell you that you can definitely do a good job with exposure while shooting a wedding. Simply put, the aperture changes based on distance to your subject. Let's say that at 10 feet the exposure at ISO 100 is f/8. At 20 feet, it may be f/4. At 5 feet, it may be f/16. Don't try to change your ISO because it will just confuse you. Put a distance scale/aperture setting "cheat sheet" on the back of your flash. When you focus, look at your "cheat sheet" to determine the appropriate exposure. The more you shoot, the more you'll learn to judge exposure without looking at the "cheat sheet" which will speed up shooting at weddings.

[@matthewparriott]

Love the episodes with guests. Keep it up!

[@nazukeoya]

"You can be gay on your own time" is my favorite quote from this podcast episode. 😂😂😂

[@Rambalac]

Cameras are using real time OS. They have to follow specification. Any action has to be done in specified time. Also, they have to pass different certifications, CIPA is one of them. Computation photography is not real time. Phones don't have to keep timings, there is no guarantee time between shutter button and photo taken or time between photos. Basically, it's way harder to use computational photography and still keep everything in the specification. The next question is it worth implementing it for a higher price, would people pay for it? Most people who would use it are OK with phones.

[@winc06]

I usually hate chit chat programs, but you guys are terrific. Allison was a welcome addition.

[@atselykovskiy]

Telling some kind of story about current state of custom processors used in digital cameras would be interesting

[@danbuchman7497]

Hi, great podcast and thanks for answering my question about shaking hands & OM1ii. Also thanks to people who replied, very helpful. NOW! about my name pronunciation. The second try was perfect, think of k instead of h. This is as a lead in to a funny story as you were talking HS, this is about 3rd grade. I was having a discussion with a fellow student about the appropriate spelling of a certain word. Did I mention this was a Catholic school with nuns? Anyway I was arguing that the correct spell ended with a ch rather than ck. I’d been taught my name was pronounced as described above. So in class, I wrote a note to my (this is why I comment so much now!). My note was intercepted by my teach/nun. She was not pleased, called my father at his office at the public high school, (the link to your discussion) who addressed me… firmly at home. As for the nuns, I bet they laughed their habits off!!! 😂

[@alexlindstrom9971]

This was such a great discussion. Full frame companies absolutely need to get on certain computational features, but they also need to decide what goes 'too far' for them. Meanwhile, on the 'companies dictating review terms' front, this is of course nothing new, but I would expect it to have gotten worse in recent years, and it's just another layer heaped on to the broader problem of trust in media today.

[@stuartcarden1371]

As a Brit I don't have to steal culturally significant art on my phone because I know past governments have done the stealing for me and very helpfully put it all in the British Museum #TheParthenonMarblesAreBritishOK 😇

[@alen2937]

Oi all, right on time. Cheers.

[@johnupper5225]

@37:55 I think computational software isn't in cameras (yet) because the OS to run it requires more time to boot than camera buyers are willing to wait.

[@charliewaterman816]

Great show as always :)

[@Re-InCarNation]

I wished someone made an updated version of the Samsung galaxy s4 zoom.

[@BlendyStick]

1:05:25 I've recently switched from an older laptop to an iPad to serve as my main home computer for general office work and, hobbyist level photo editing and I'm really enjoying the experience. In a smaller apartment I'm finding it's a lot more flexible in real-world space terms than a laptop and the on-screen keyboard is surprisingly usable for light typing tasks. The file structure problems mentioned are real though, so I inevitably end up using the laptop for offloading memory cards and archiving to drives etc.

[@classicboy97]

Can we have Chris take a look at some film cameras like the M6, Contax G and T series, any medium format and xpan stuff please 😊😊😊

[@niccollsvideo]

I did get to use a Leica M6 while in Wetzlar, Germany. This was an amazing experience and I really enjoyed it. I would love to use a G series next!

[@NeilFiertel]

This is one of the most informative article/video I have ever encountered in a decade. I am serious💗 intelligent articulate and so very useful to me🖖 I might also say amusing and gracious to one another👌🏽

[@hendrickziegler8487]

My research is a couple of months old by now - but I think to remember that Samsung imaging sensors are heavily used in the cameras of smartish cars.

[@darinl848]

great video just like your reviews.

[@gregpantelides1355]

Chris, regarding your amazing digital TLR concept which NEEDS to happen I have a question. Since only one lens can be in line with the sensor how would we utilize the second lens? Would it rotate into position like on a microscope? What are your thoughts on the sportsfinder? Would you introduce a small EVF to replicate the experience?

[@jbird7782]

I think just a couple generations ago, Sony Xperia phones used some Samsung image sensors

[@corykphotography]

I've made the switch to Google when the Pixel 7 Pro was released and I've been very happy. I still think Samsung makes great phones!

[@AudioMemo]

Xperia phones are frustrating to me. I love the form factor, the dedicated shutter button, the side-mounted fingerprint reader, the camera controls, the presence of a headphone jack , and the SD card reader. But they just abandoned North America for the Xperia 5 line and their 2 year update policies are simply insufficient at this point.

[@theturninggate]

I also have long wanted a digital TLR.

[@canucklehead28]

Love it!

[@ashwanibhola3766]

8:40 I really like Chris's coffee mug! Any idea where to get one?

[@te84]

Hey Jaron, Jordan, Chris, I really love your videos! Do you maybe have any tips on how to pick photos? What I mean, I'm a hobbyist photographer, and one of my biggest problems is I always end up with a bunch of images, and I can't seem to choose only a couple of them, although most of them are really similar. I just find something in each and convince myself I need to keep it. The problem however is, later when I look back at them, like a couple months later, I get lost in the plethora of images. Help!

[@niccollsvideo]

That’s always a challenge. I find that I cull my images before I even take them nowadays if that makes sense. Still, when you have similar images and you’re trying to choose the best one I tend to default to which of them was technically better. Given that the subject matter is the same. Or I just go by instinct.

[@leventebandi]

The worst thing in this sony in camera computational photography topic is that they actually had these things like in the a6000 like computational nd filter emilation, handheld night mode, but they removed these things later on with the notion that people not using these things... hell i have an a7rv and i would still use the old gen's sweep panorama for example

[@CatPixStudio]

I totally agree with that Samsung guy. The moment a modern digital camera captures a photo it's heavily processed: - Picture profiles - Auto white balance - Active D-Lighting (Nikon) - Portrait impression balance (Nikon) - The way skin colors are handled in green colored environments (leaves, grass, trees) (was he running or was he sick?) - Surely Canon, Fuji, Sony have similar image improving steps that alter reality. ... More so concerning smartphone cameras: - Each night shot is a composite of multiple shots - Heavy noise reduction maybe deletes small objects like letters or hole writings on a sign or a wall. - Nobody knows how a smartphone or AI handles different parts of the photo individually after hitting the shutter button. ... With 10 different cameras you will end up with 10 different pictures and you won't be able to say how the scenery's lighting really was if you weren't there yourself.

[@LukaszFrankowski]

I can't quite agree. Yes, modern cameras are capable of this but you don't have to shoot this way (I don't). Shoot RAW in manual and you have full control of the output. I would add that I agree with some sentiment here. It isn't real, it never was. You always chose film and all your settings and could do whatever you wanted in the darkroom. Either way that's no different to how we post process pictures now.

[@LukaszFrankowski]

Smartphone however do so much that I can't reliability take pictures with them. Automatic changes to sharpness, contrast, etc. aren't acceptable to me if I haven't decided on what I want.

[@CatPixStudio]

@LukaszFrankowski Yes, all true, if we are talking about professionals, semi pros or photo hobbyists. With raw they could achieve a realistic image of reality, if they have a perfect memory of given lighting (contrast etc.) and using a color checker in every shot. And after that you still have to choose the right profile. But which one is it? Is it the neutral profile of Adobe in Lightroom or the profile of the OEM raw developer software of the camera manufacturers or is it the neutral profile in CaptureOne? All look different. But most photographers use raw to have the most flexibility to retouch their shots. With results that are often quite far from reality. The majority lets the camera do all the work.

[@xXGeitzXx]

Hey I had a question for the podcast, I'm looking to choose between a Sony A7 IV or an A7R IV for adapting old Minolta screw drive lenses with the LA-EA5 adapter. Used prices are very similar. I've got the 85mm f/1.4 and the 100mm f/2.8 Macro in mind. In your opinions which body would be better suited for this? I'm not sure on the difference in AF performance between these two bodies with the LA-EA5. I primarily shoot landscape and casual events, nothing professional. Keep up the great work and thank you! Jacob

[@joeaddison]

I have not looked at these adapters in a long while I'm doubting these guys have either. I say rent the cameras and see which performs better. I would imagine the newer body would have better focus but I didn't know if the updated focus will translate to the older adapter. At that point you'd want the higher megapixels for landscape work

[@brentishere27]

I wonder what keyboard Chris have

[@niccollsvideo]

It’s an amazing special. Nothing fancy and it’s sold under like eight different names. You know the kind.

[@g.lindzey3291]

would content authenticity also reveal any changes made by computational processing within the camera?

[@deathdoor]

This made me so mad! It seems to me that Samsung is using "computational photography" as a shield here. Nothing wrong with computational photography, it exists for good reasons, but the question was about something different, it was about Artificial Intelligence applied to the photos. The problem with this is that instead of using AI the "right" and smart way, to preserve and recover details during the computation process, all this AI is "hallucinating" what it "thinks" should be there but it's not. And in this specific case "hallucinating" Samsung engineers and executives's very particular ideias of how a photo should be. What THEY want, what they think the moment was, not what WE saw and want to remember. In forums there are people pointing for at least 2 years that Samsung was adding details to their photos to make up for lack of details. A photo is a moment captured from time. If you what you are should isn't what was there at the moment it may be a "picture", but not exactly" a photo with all those pixels representing matter that was not there at the moment.

[@robertnystrom289]

Did hardware / software for decades. Many functions were 'blocks' that could be re-used. I seriously doubt any of the camera guys- except maybe Sony- have the software chops to do a ground up re-write for every model. String together your blocks, make a few tweaks, maybe a different compiler, and ship it. Think of product managers quaking in fear (witnessed it) at the thought of bricking the product because of a new feature. That goes for older products as well- do you risk a feature update, bricking it, and now spend your precious software dev time fixing your rabbit hole and taking time away from your next big thing? I wouldn't risk it. Think of all the hooks into the OS from the menu alone (Sony!). Change anything and you have to test EVERY menu function again, and make sure it works in all languages. The language problem is staggering. Just think of WHOSE alphabetical order- latin, Cyrillic, kanji, kana, mandarin, arabic (uhh, right to left), etc. Go ahead, pick one and translate it to the others. I dare you. The next time you think a menu makes no sense, it probably did to whoever wrote the software in their language. The masses software understanding has been distorted by Hollywood where a few keystrokes writes a whole new OS and breaks into a secure database all before the next commercial. Don't hold your breath on computational integration for the near future. Oh, I know, it's JUST firmware...

[@JasperBunschoten]

Computational is not art. It is not anything like going from painting to photography. Both takes skill. Computational/AI is just trained on pre exisitng art and just pretending it is your work.... Anyone pretending to say Ai also needs skill... GTFO!

[@niveketihw1897]

It's not much of a leap from that Samsung guy's position to say that once you throw photons at an eyeball and process it through a wet brain, it isn't real. What is real? How do you define real?

[@johnc_]

I would really really love something really compact but high quality like a Ricoh GRiii but with a smartphone on the back. Not really for computational photogaphy, more for all the things smartphones are really good at but cameras are bad at: 1. Only having one device with me/never forgetting my camera 2. Having a much larger viewscreen on my camera 3. Being able to easily take good photos, edit and upload them to Instagram or whatever on one device 4. Not having to worry about memory cards and wires and absolutely awful camera wifi transfer apps 5. Them being automatically backed up to the Google Photos without me having to remember to do it I feel like someone like Ricoh would be a great company to do it to help them differentiate themselves. I'm sure Sony could do an amazing job of it but might have competing priorities.

[@SoftKitty0930]

Samsung has their own HDR standard called HDR10+. That is using very similar technology as Dolby Vision where they use dynamic meta data to capture brightness and color in each frame. It is just unfortunate that HDR10+ didn't become an industry standard and doesn't have much of a content library that is produced using this standard.

[@PetaPixel]

That is not a Samsung standard, it is one of several open standards that you could argue is "industry standard" to a certain degree. I agree as well that it is a shame Dolby Vision really caught on more than the ones that don't require paying a company for access, but alas. -Jaron

[@SoftKitty0930]

​@@PetaPixel I got the impression that HDR10+ was a Samsung standard because they established the standard along with Panasonic and 20th Century Fox. Later Panasonic sold their TV business to TCL in China, and Samsung is probably the only manufacture that is using the HDR10+ standard in their products. Dolby Vision came out earlier than HDR10+, which probably attributed to its success.

[@jschoonj]

Noticed how you guys did not review the Lumix 100 macro 🤔

[@PetaPixel]

It’s in the queue. Nothing fishy going on there.

[@harryvlogs7833]

True all pictures have at least some ai and processing

[@hautehussey]

Cameras aren’t doing computational because, in part, the engineers are more old school, and secondly, the amount of data is just so much more. Combining multiple 60MP files and then computing just can’t really be done in real time, and people using real cameras don’t want that kind’ve delay.

[@RogerHyam]

That guy from Samsung. He's right. "Photography" originally meant light drawing or marking. If light hits a sensor then you could maybe say a mark is briefly made but from that point on it is computer drawing. It is a very different thing from an analogue workflow. The trouble is we have never differentiated these things. We used to have photography that was wet stuff the pre-press which was digitising or and producing screens and stuff. It gets so weird that Jordan and Chris talk about whether a camera is a good "photography" camera as opposed to a movie camera - implying photography is about stills. This is why Jordan will not win an oscar for Director of Photography😊. Look at it this way. When Kirk and Spock beam down to the surface it isn't them who arrive there but copies or facsimiles of them. We have no problem putting on a headset and saying we are in virtual reality. It still exists and is real in some way it is a rendering of a scene that might exist. It might be based on a real place. It might be a pass through of your surroundings. But people go crazy when you say they are making virtual things with their digital camera. We have to either start talking about the virtual nature of digital imaging or stop talking about what you see when you put on the new Apple headset as being virtual. Rant over now😅

[@paulhancock]

You touched on Sony, and I've got to say they have been the most confusing smartphone manufacturer for years... Sony are best in class or close to, in gaming, mirrorless photography, personal audio and televisions, always with great product design... And as a premium lifestyle brand, they should be THE competition to Apple. Xperia phones just need to combine their class-leading expertise in all these product areas and tie them all together. Add special features which work with other Sony products, and make the phone the hub of your Sony ecosystem... But to the best of my knowledge they don't do it? There should be Alpha, Playstation, Bravia and Walkman features in the phone to make it essential to owners of those products. Likewise they should be putting an Xperia branded Android interface into an Alpha camera. Surely?! Maybe it's time to just scrap and rebrand the whole Xperia thing and start again because it's just not quite working, and there's no excuse. So much unrealised potential and Samsung should not be destroying Sony so badly in the marketplace. Bit of a rant there, what can I say, Sony constantly annoy me!

[@MrElthan]

Not sure what's the big deal with GenAI. Its not that we couldn't replace sky or background or add something to photo with Photoshop. It's easier now but still. Photography VS digital art discussion again. And surprise - AI AF is computational photography as well. Most big camera companies are using it to recognize birds or eyes. 🤷‍♂️

[@marklion315]

Hey, hey! Pentax had that super resolution thing first! (pixel shit) Have you seen a pixel shifted image out of a K1? dios mio

[@theharper1]

If it started with light captured by film or a sensor, it's real to a degree. To say no photos are real because they are processed later is silly, especially to claim that focussing means that it's not real.

[@steveoverstreet5635]

The discussion about computational photography vs. AI gets a little out of hand. It would be better if CP was more clearly defined. In my opinion micro4/3 uses a lot of programming to overcome various limitations, especially sensor limitations. It’s the latest iteration (advance) computers provide to aid the photographer. A ton of problems, including problems in the lens itself, camera instability, etc, all have “mathematical” solutions. The better programs use better math. Sometimes there are ambiguities to be resolved. For instance, as autofocus gets more sophisticated, ambiguities arise as to what to focus on. Computational photography relies on settings to offset the ambiguities, but settings are also ambiguous. Most camera reviews I see mention “hacks” to get past the ambiguities. The “hacks” often work on one brand of camera but not another. To me AI provides an alternative, a shortcut, to certain computations a camera might otherwise use. Technically, the alternatives also rely on computations, but a different kind of calculating. It would be stupid to ditch most tried and true traditional calculations unless they were too complicated or took too much time (as measured in micro-seconds) to complete. I suspect auto-focus is one of those kinds of calculations that could be improved by AI. If there are three birds in the frame but only one is to be foucused on, the limits of traditional computations are soon reached, especially if the birds are a long way off and moving very quickly. But suppose an algorithm could figure out which bird was which even before the right bird was selected by the photographer. Each bird could be assigned an identifier derived by what is in the frame at a certain instant. After that the autofocus looks for the identifier marking the photographer’s chosen bird. Simple!😂 Dreadful things like smart bombs and drones are targeted this way. And, given the rotten performance of smart bombs and drones, there are clear limitations to the technology. What goes wrong is when the operator (a real human) guesses wrong as to what is to be targeted. When the operator is a wildlife photographer , the bad outcome is a missed shot are the wrong bird, etc. . But photography is much simpler than aiming smart bombs and drones. Modern chips, modelling on-sensor pixel arrangements , etc. are well within the capabilities of camera computers. As soon as it becomes clear to the manufacturer that AI is faster than improving traditional, directly computed, solutions, AI is a good possibility. Remember, those drones and snart bombs used to all be targeted by traditional computations. The misses significantly decreased when AI replaced the older methods (nastier explosives that killed more people all at once also helped, of course!) Chat GPT is a kind of AI that WON’T be deployed to help the photographer get their shot. Camera AI that does exactly what the eye can do, only hundreds of times faster is what we want. No camera can guarantee success on every shot. AI (hopefully) reduces the number of misses by a wide margin, I picked AF as my example because we can sort of understand how an algorithm could work like the eye-brain algorithm we humans use to pick which bird we want, but the camera can apply that algorithm many times faster than the eye-brain, and eliminate the staggering complexity of traditional computations to boot. Instead of smart bombs, I could have mentioned googles Go program, which beat Go grandmasters by figuring out what winning positions in Go look like, before figuring out where to place the next stone in the picture that is the game being played. The program trained by looking at lots and lots of Go-game pictures. It turns out that this sort of algorithm is exactly how Go grand masters go about being grandmasters. Chat GPT AI is different because the required result is a story, not a photograph. For instance, without even knowing the rules of the game, Chat GPT can make up a convincing lie that its owner is a Go Grandmaster! When thinking about this sort of AI, it should be remembered that AI stands for “artificial intelligence.” That is, artificial though it might be, it nonetheless is almost as good as if it were actual intelligence - which it is not.

[@eavilev]

I'm not sure why we even have conversations about "real" or "not real" in the context of photography. Mathew Brady might have been obligated to document the real civil war. Every other photo journalist since also has an obligation to record "real" but that is where it stops. Can you imagine someone saying to Ansel Adams "your photos are not real" because after all, he did manipulate his images to create something better than real. You guys are probably too young to remember the countless articles in photography magazines about which color film was more pleasing. Kodachrome as not real but we bought it by the tons because we wanted to think that "all the world's a sunny day." (Simon and Garfunkel) Maybe the tools are too technical, but guys, you're in a business that can be called art and what we all could be thinking about is how we can become better "artist" with the photography tools we have today and will have tomorrow. I think Chriss was trying to get there as he questioned the need for medium format advances in technology. There's always a need for a better tool Chriss. It is up to the artist to use it to its potential. Great podcast(s) folks. I do enjoy them. - (You can call me Jay - eavilev is part of my email address).

[@CokeInAmerica]

“It wasn’t based off of light ‘hitting’ something”-Jordan Drake. Other than the strong nuclear force holding our atoms together, virtually everything we interact with is governed by electromagnetism, and the force carrier particle for electromagnetism is the photon, therefore everything is light ‘hitting something’. Unless it’s an electron hitting something. Er, wait…. You’re welcome!

[@michaelogle1315]

No talk about roller derby?

[@xmeda]

Samsung should build phone like Note 4 again. With user removable battery, IR port, 3.5mm JACK instead of provoking with subscriptions.

[@MrElthan]

How to regulate ai pictures? Content authenticity initiative is a way to go. We will know which picture was changed and which way. If ai will be involved we will know. Leica already commercialized part of it in m11. Other parts will follow.

[@stevehageman6785]

I loved Chris' when the Samsung: "Nothing is real" story was read. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha..... Thanks for posting - it's raining today and I can't

[@guyjordan8201]

25:00 - there’s a vast difference between art and photography. We can manipulate a photo into an artwork image, but expressing that as reality, and not expressing it as an interpretation of reality is the heart of the issue. Samsung replaced the live picture of the moon with their pre-canned textured interpretation of the moon, and in so doing lied. Please do not get into the double speak of artwork that excuses manipulation as natural and the impact as a substitute for truth. Artwork for impact is manipulation… The same way film and literature often craft the story painted in one’s mind for a preferred effect. Follow the truth. 30:35 - we had a chance to exceed that plateau, Jordan, with the GC-200, Olympus Air, and the Sony QX1. If the GC-200 added phone functionality and was supported with appropriate firmware upgrades, you would’ve seen that plateau fall away completely. Similarly, adding an external camera bump with the Air or QX1, You exceed any embedded camera completely.

[@yukonchris]

On the "what is a photo debate," I'm with Jordan. Chris sounds like he should have watched a few more movies and skipped the class on post modernism. As for Samsung, they are, in my opinion, wrong. That said, I'm not personally surprised that they'd say something that odd about photographs. I mean, they are the people who did an awesome job developing the NX system from the ground up, and then, just as it was gaining real traction in the minds of consumers with some really competitive and compelling models, they killed the entire thing. That was literally the moment when I completely gave up on their products. I haven't purchased anything made by Samsung since, and I didn't even own an NX camera. Sony, on the other hand, has shown itself to be very forward thinking, and has persevered. Their cameras are not only excellent in their own right, but they also act as advertising for their sensor business. You know, here's a thought: if you're an ice cream company and people aren't buying enough of your ice cream, you don't just stop making ice cream. You change up the flavors and offer people something more compelling. Oh yeah, and you probably don't want to go around saying, "taste isn't real!"

[@niccollsvideo]

I want to go on record as claiming that I've probably seen the most movies. I've seen a LOT of movies.

[@nikytamayo]

Moon mode is totally real! Because it is built out of real pictures chewed up by the algorithm. :p In his defense, yes, algorithms in most cellphones already do tweak the values on a capture to achieve sharpening and smoothing, but there's a big difference bewteen that and force fitting those captures to a preset template. While I find these moon modes entertaining, it's vastly different from actually taking a capture yourself and having it mostly true to what you saw when you took it.

[@gregc8567]

How about voice command menus on cameras? Just using the same voice activated shutter that is on some smart phones would be a great start...

[@badshoes]

I think Samsung is somewhat correct when it comes to there being no real pictures. Think the statement is just sloppy. It's more that most pictures are not true representations, especially when it comes to phone photography but is presented as such. Something as simple as color saturation and hue being adjusted automatically by my phone's software.

[@donbergeron5466]

How do they sell phones that they bill as great 'picture' takers.

[@fabipuello]

The reason Samsung has tanked is probably that they went the Apple route, they use to be the people's champ, micro SD, headphone jack, 16gb of RAM and on and on, they decided to jack the prices to match those of Apple while taking all of these features away, that's why I'm typing this on my iPhone, my last Samsung was the S20 ultra, got the 21 ultra, I returned it, hot a 12 pro max never looked back.

[@fotografalexandernikolis]

15:20 About Samsung earnings: Maybe they shouldn't have removed the good parts that Android used to have (SD card slot for example) to copy iphone, before copying the good parts of iphone (software updates and stability). iPhone got popular DESPITE not having removable batterier, SD cards etc, and the android brands just copied those bad things before copying the good things.

[@Jamm1eone]

Name and shame those companies Jaron

[@NotAnotherChannel_Channel]

“Photos aren’t real.” - ChatGPT

[@ThroughJoesLens]

This will probably be booed but I don’t care what an influencer thinks at all about equipment they have been given or loaned by a manufacturer. I’ll review the specs and make a decision all by my little self. I do watch some of the videos though because, if it’s something like a camera or lens, there’s usually some example images and/or video that is useful to see. In the end though I’m intelligent enough to know that an influencer that rolls through equipment brands like changing clothes is not a credible reviewer, at least to me.

[@luisneumannp2748]

All the talk about how you will not review a product when the company will not let you review it fairly... Is that why there's no Lumix 100mm 2.8 video yet? 😅

[@vidthreenorth4007]

I liked my Sony Xperia 10iii, while I had it. If Sony wants to gift me another (or Xperia 5 iv) I would post a lot of content made with it.

[@ronbokje6213]

I can not part with my old lenses and everything so be a stubborn Pentax K1 user

[@TheChosenOne_]

I was just refreshing your youtube page. I need something good in the background while scanning 😁

[@NotAnotherChannel_Channel]

8:29 (1000 people AI-generating images of David)

[@vi0lator]

It's so sad, that optical zoom on Sony smartphones (at least for now) - is absolute garbage. I've got really high hopes for VI generation. (From leaks)* Focal length coverage on Xperia 1 is very impressive. If those lenses will be sharp (we'll, at least sharper than 85-125), than they've got me, and I won't be thinking about getting an iPhone 😅 (Just switched from 1 IV to 5 IV and I really enjoy the shape and ovveral feel of this little flagship! And of course... now I have a somewhat useful and kinda sharp 60mm 😂)

[@Stealther]

Which traditional camera manufacturer will be the first to incorporate significant computational imaging technology into their standalone cameras?

[@southendsites]

Need Leica authentication on phones... EU... Otherise I am going back to film... Pentax are real.

[@cameraprepper7938]

Ban all phone images !

[@POVwithRC]

Samsung seems to really juice their trade-ins. This cannot assist margins.

[@jakeman0x0]

Chris has to cover the Samsung Galaxy review again. I can not sleep at night knowing bunch isheeps jumping in joy. Innovation of Samsung Phones surpasses ehat ever Bad Apple dishes out

[@POVwithRC]

You have four comments on the channel, three of which are platinum mad at 'isheeps'. Let people enjoy things homie, it's literally free.

[@ZappaBlues]

ZAPPA !

[@falxonPSN]

I'm really trying not to be too negative, but for someone who was brought in for expertise on the tech side of things, including phones, much of Allison's responses were wishy-washy and non-committal. I would have hoped for a stronger better researched answer from someone who has a background in this space. Maybe she was just nervous or not prepped, but she was not up to the standards of some of your other guests. Or maybe I misunderstood her area of expertise here. Even on topics like the computational photography roadmap, she really did not seem awareness of the topic to give a detailed answer. Her answer was just "you know they're kind of doing more with less."

[@derbagger22]

Korean culture is slowly becoming more cringey. China is communist. But almost all Korean industry is so tightly controlled by the government. I've been trying to stay away and focus more of my purchases elsewhere. I can't stand Apple or Samsung...

[@southendsites]

I'm waiting for Nokia with a battery replacement... Samsung avoidable...

[@FerrumMaster]

Frustrating to watch people talking about mobiles, with no real insight in it. LG mobile is defunct btw. Fake it till you make it? How about those 3rd party lens reviews?

[@amateur.photographiemichel6094]

Regarding pictures generated with AI you guys seam to forget that they are derived from real photographs. They don't drop from the sky. Machine learning means that they "look" at millions of photographs and taking bits and pieces from them to create new one. So they are photographs!

[@alen2937]

I would say is an imitation of a photograph at best.

[@d3xmeister]

That is correct. Many people even say “This image is completely AI generated” Really ? Out of thin air ? No, it’s actually created from bits of many other human taken images.

[@AshBashSneakers]

Samsung are correct.. especially how most people edit after the fact.. what you took isn’t what it was.. so nothing is real real