San Bernardino Line review ~ Train Sim World 5

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

I enjoyed all your reviews of the three core tsw 5 routes. I think that the San Bernardino Line is the best of the 3 core routes which i never thought I'd say about a US Core route. The issues with Frankfurt-Fulda and WCML just bring the overall quality of those 2 routes down. Apart from issues with the floating cars, the San Bernardino line is pretty good quality wise but the route really isn’t that remarkable in my opinion given the fact that the rolling stock is pretty much reused and it has a similar vibe to the Antelope Valley Line. I do hope that we don't get another Metrolink route anytime soon. Whilst I understand that DTG are having difficulty with licensing, it would be nice to get something new

[@tillysullivan1344]

DTG have an entire continent to source for licensing and strive for another state away from NY, Mass. and CA. For the premier train simulator games company in the world, their scope when reviewing trains from around the world is quite frankly disgraceful. Same 3 boring home nations year after year.

[@Buckeyesfanashost]

Hopefully next year the starter USA route isn’t in California. I feel like every year the USA route needs more diversity with there routes. One track I will like to see at some point in TSW is Metra’s BNSF Line from Chicago to Aurora. The route has ton of traffic which I think would be pretty cool because then it will make the route more realistic. Of course this could be highly debatable with the BNSF trains. If not I suggest they add the Union Pacific Northwest Route.

[@rmorzy75]

5:00 EXACTLY!! Why!?!?! Horns too. This would be so nice to have, it would feel more alive and real.

[@ct737]

@@potatoman451 I'm not familiar with coding but how hard would it be to say *bell (on) within 250ft of a station or crossing* I'm sure the American horn sequence would be difficult but most crossings are no horn zones anyways.

[@rmorzy75]

@@ct737 that's what I'm saying

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

​​@@potatoman451But the rules are not complicated here. Having the ability to have the bell on won't be difficult for DTG to program.

[@spartan117zm]

@@potatoman451mate if Rolling Line and Transport Fever can make whistle boards work I should suspect that DTG could as well, they’re just too lazy to.

[@rmorzy75]

​​@@potatoman451 but they could atleast have the general rule where the bell comes on when arriving and leaving a station. And then doing the horn sequence when approaching a grade crossing. That itself would make a huge difference and upgrade

[@floha978]

Actually, I think that a modern version of the peninsula corridor with the Stadler Kiss would be nice

[@spartan117zm]

Would’ve been a really cool launch route actually, a fully updated peninsula corridor set in the current time period where there’s still both the diesel hauled trains running alongside the new electric services.

[@Luci_4k]

I commute on the San Bernadino line Daily to Cal State LA, im glad they did well on the route, and I have to say they did a good job with the accuracy of it. But the timing of this release being before the October 21st schedule change, with added 1 hour headways to covina and back at peak times, is kinda poor timing and i doubt they would ever update the schedule for that.

[@DC4260Productions]

DTG still haven't updated the Antelope Valley Line's timetable, so I also doubt they'll ever update SB as well.

[@tsguy-h3q]

6:57 Well I've encountered a few of these "long" services on quite a lot of routes actually. 1. Linke Rheinstrecke 2. Peninsula Corridor 3. ECML (Especially the Class 66) 4. Tharandter Rampe 5. Kassel-Wurzburg Given the existence of longer services on these routes, I don't buy the reason of making journey times shorter on timetable mode. DTG should eother improve the save feature (because it breaks PZB/LZB etc) or provide an option to run those services in one go, instead of breaking out of the game.

[@Railfannerfuture]

So the reason why Metrolink has two different types of coaches is becauae in the past before the rotem cars came metrolink had several crashes which ofc cause lots of people deaths they decided to mix things up and not use the old bi level cab cars anymore and thats basically why the reason what we have to this day

[@Stepford_Empire]

I completely agree with TSW needing a third party US developer, US routes are in dire need of more representation in TSW and the game needs to balance their releases between American, British and German routes (but it should have been varied across even more countries)

[@jwrailve3615]

Potato is a bot or UC dev burner who used to be an actual name and will always support everything TSW does your always wrong they’re always right it needs to be more balanced we don’t need the entire country of England of routes before ever getting more than 1-2 US routes a year with the same recycled engines in the same regions. After tsw2020 we haven’t gotten jack beyond the northeast and California. They don’t care it’s got nothing to do with how long it’d take they just don’t want to and it’s bias. Every month a British route or at least add on is basically added German routes are packed with layered content but US? We still can’t even run the UP line in cajon pass and have the UPsd70ace on that route even if you own Sherman hill or the heritage fleet livery’s and an NPC UP trains running the line. Still have the UP layered es44c4’s appear as blue which is why they still don’t have them as a livery alternative if it was British or German there’d be 5-10 locos to choose from and everyone with countless livery’s layered in. All my criticisms are taken as attacks and that I’m not happy just playing I am. I’m just expressing the facts that we get left out time and time again and get repetitive content and obvious they don’t like American freight so they don’t make it playable or if they do is bare minimum. Hell I’d love if they route hopped off sand patch, clinchfield, horseshoe, cane creek, we could basically have had the entire Appalachian range nearly entirely connected by now had they kept releasing the routes like they did in tsw2020. Instead it’s New York/New Jersey California, and occasionally Boston which despite me saying what’s true I actually love running the routes regardless but when your going down the lines and 20-30% of the mileage is unusable with static freight and motive power sitting everywhere it’s kinda hard to not feel cheated when that’s never the case in British or German content. I’d literally pay money for content for routes being additional branch lines or industrial spurs like main spessart bahn had done which I loved that loco and add on. Made such a difference to that route

[@jackweinborn7907]

$$$$$ Still saving some of US all more money. You are a real pal. Still have not got tsw5 yet, thank goodness. Great review and thanks .. $$$$$.

[@oParkLikesStuff]

yk it’s free.. right?

[@umbreonpokemon8190]

@@oParkLikesStuff TSW5 starter pack that comes with basically nothing is free yes. This route isn’t free though and that’s what he meant

[@5capsfilms152]

Im still wondering why dovetail did not create the bimbardier coaches in the old livery

[@DC4260Productions]

Maybe Metrolink didn't want them to, but that's just speculation on my part.

[@Railfannerfuture]

Possibly or they just dove tail didn't feel like it we all know how they lack with some things ​@@DC4260Productions

[@northwesttrainspotter319]

as far as I am aware, the MP36PH-3C has been completely rebuilt from scratch. I dont know about the Bi-Levels though...

[@Frowny13]

I didn’t realize it until you pointed it out, but not only is this the third TSW iteration in a row to have a route based in California, but more specifically Southern California…why? Well at least we got the MBTA route coming soon and maybe for next years game they’ll make a route based in a different region of the states. Overall they actually did pretty good with the three base routes for this years game, and I’ve really enjoyed WCML and the Kinzigtalbahn, and San Bernardino isn’t half bad either. Better than the TSW 4 routes which were all just meh and boring.

[@ct737]

Good point about the bell when leaving stations. I always thought it was because it's too difficult to develop. However, I noticed at Fenton station in Blackpool Branches the horns would sound when the trains departed. Dovetail is just lazy not to include it.

[@DC4260Productions]

Whatever station you're referring to, I think you might have got the name wrong. I don't remember there ever being a 'Fenton' station on the Blackpool route.

[@ct737]

@@DC4260Productions I meant Preston, sorry

[@YukariAkiyamaTanks]

What this route really needs is Amtrak. Without amtrak the route is stupid quiet.

[@YukariAkiyamaTanks]

Also ATSF 3751 with some heritage/private cars, that would be a nice touch.

[@Dexter037S4]

I personally think an easy slam dunk Canadian Route would be VIA Rail's Corridor between Montreal and Kingston with split services to Ottawa, including O-Train Line 2 & 4, the Stadler FLIRT and Alstom-Coradia LiNT 41.

[@DC4260Productions]

I don't know much about the O-Train network, but it would still be a cool thing to see in TSW.

[@jwrailve3615]

Or idk…adding the long left out oakville via rail that’s been not talked about from devs since just after tsw4’s release id love to see anything new in canada routes tho

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

What do you think of the Metrolink F59PH loco add-on coming for both SBD and AVL?

[@DC4260Productions]

It'll be a welcome (if not, overdue) addition to both routes.

[@Triplez43]

5:41 isn’t this the section of freeeway irl where atsf 3751 was pacing with traffic?

[@JellyScrub]

Looking forward to picking up all 3 base routes on heavy discount!

[@bluehammer2021]

The MP36 for this dlc kind of makes me wish they make a metra dlc for the next USA route after the new mbta route featuring the metra MP36 variant, F40PH-2C/3C and maybe F59PH

[@DC4260Productions]

I'd love to see Metra in TSW, although I prefer their electric services.

[@bluehammer2021]

​@DC4260Productions imo the UP metra lines are better because all three are operated over freight railroad trackage yet get barely any delays

[@Frowny13]

I would say the best Metra routes to make would be the BNSF line, Milwaukee District North line, and the Electric lines. I’m not sure how hard it would be to get the licensing but if they did that’s three unique routes right there.

[@bluehammer2021]

@@Frowny13 read my last comment and look up those lines they are unique to

[@rmorzy75]

Milwaukee District West and UPNW would also be nice​

[@JerseyRails104]

The F59PHIs were retired a few days ago

[@threepea1151]

They were just sold to National Rail Equipment Mexico. They were retired in 2020, they had just been in storage for 4 years

[@dabesttimelapser]

but the F59PHRs are still around, saw one yesterday matter of fact. 👀

[@threepea1151]

@@dabesttimelapser most of them were sold off, 4 remain in service, 1 as a switcher

[@randomscb-40charger78]

Didn't you do a review of this route for TSW4?

[@DC4260Productions]

No. That was the Antelope Valley Line.

[@randomscb-40charger78]

@@DC4260Productions No you definitely posted another video, I remember commenting on either that or another, and by no means am I mistaking such a video as being made by another channel.

[@intercity234]

That is impossible as this route was not released until TSW 5's launch.

[@Atrail_Mckinley4786]

​@randomscb-40charger78 You are wrong. This is the San Bernardino Line which came with TSW 5. You are referring to the Antelope Valley Line which came out last year for TSW 4.

[@RandomUsername3040]

Good Video hope your doing well i will be getting DTG new Route on the 29th but £29.99 every route now it's getting ridiculous now and the yearly TSW's too Dovetail Need to quit it

[@MrRailfan]

$29.99 is the same as $23 in 2019. It's pretty on par for inflation and what stuff was priced when tsw first came out (adjusted to 2024 price)

[@knutrudolfsson8254]

Pirate it! I pay for the good ones. The rest I have for free! Perfekt for all the overpriced locos and half ass maps for 30 dollars

[@pojkkaadaboi-tp7dv]

​​@@MrRailfan its 29 pounds, not dollars. it would be 40 dollars and 35 euros. this is because the dollar has less value than the euro or the pound.

[@SimbytheMile]

The performance is definitely inconsistent. Running the service from Speedway into LA union. As we got closer to LA Union I would just get freezing, seems to be when the game is trying to load in scenery. Would drop from 60fps to 0, then spike back up.

[@stevehornsby7727]

One American route I would like is the Williams to Grand Canyon Village. Having once worked there seeing steam and diesel locomotive power, it would be great to drive that route.

[@aphexie_]

train sim world in general is such a weird game series for me. the lackluster routes, the problem of reused assets, the not good sounds, everything in general just feels so wrong gameplay isnt really fun either and for me it never really felt like a true train sim, i was never really immersed in this world

[@tueypjr4823]

@aphexie_ DTG is really only here due to them milking console players

[@johnslyfield5096]

As a Seattle resident I think a sounder engine would be amazing. I don’t think licensing would be an issue for sound transit but BNSF does own most of the line and most of the services in the region are peak only which means unless you’re from my region this would be a hard pass most likely.

[@TB76Returns]

It is way better the Antelope Valley for one, and I like the stock overall. But the performance issues, lag and stutter has let it down somewhat. Other than that, it is at least decent, I will say. But I have found myself yelling "Oi!" to the cars trying to go over the crossing as I was passing. But as someone who hasn't owned Cajon Pass until now, when I got it with the TSW5 Pre-Order, I say that it is quite nice to see the UP Stock around the route.

[@lukeshokavich235]

Thanks for this review! I'm shocked but not supprised that the beta testers are not picking up on the obvious bugs in game. It's outrages considering the cost of these DLCs and it would be completely unaceptable in most business practices to sell something so buggy to the public....

[@DC4260Productions]

Anyone would think that DTG doesn't have a beta testing or QA / QC team, based on how many bugs still end up in the product when it goes out to customers. And yes, I know about the release deadlines or what have you, but that's still no excuse for releasing sub-standard products. But of course, you'll still make excuses for them until the cows come home.

[@intercity234]

What would your rating be of this route out of 10? Would you say that this route is better or worse than Kinzigtalbahn and WCML South?

[@DC4260Productions]

I'm not sure what to rate it out of 10, but I think WCML is probably the best of the core routes (although that's not saying much).

[@kiwikewi]

If you own this, do you think it's worth it? The thing I'm talking about is the 390 Pendolino for the WCML, and the 380 for Cathcart Circle? Great video btw

[@DC4260Productions]

In the case of the 390, she's pretty much a mandatory purchase because you simply can't have a modern-day WCML route without her. But even then, you'd be better off getting her on a discount.

[@darthnymruk9766]

I have no idea how Hi-iron is as a developer, but your comment on them got me thinking, so even tho i'm scared to ask i'll do so anyways. How bad are they?

[@JessicaKasumi1990]

You don't want to know. While the ideas are there for some interesting routes, not all are exactly home runs. They just look, eh...

[@tueypjr4823]

I swear DTG is about to map out every single rail line in CA (all except for the surfliner)

[@DC4260Productions]

Next thing you know, they'll be doing Stockton to San Jose, even though the schedule is really spartan (and the route would be quite boring as a result).

[@DC4260Productions]

As much as I want to see Coaster (San Diego to Oceanside) come to TSW, DTG needs to take a long break from California routes because they've gotten boring.

[@timotejbogsa1216]

@@DC4260Productions speak for yourself a lot of people like the californian routes, because there is always something happening, and then theres the scenery and the vibe, i cant imagine driving a route in montana for example where nothing really happens and you just drive at full throttle.

[@jwrailve3615]

Americans want freight were not a country packed with commuter rail service but if you base TSW as how DTG decides which routes to do you’d think that we do. We need a third party US dev or convert TSC American freight routes to this game because we’ve had one in four games. One. Every other one was made in the first game. Just get tired of it and that’s not me saying I don’t enjoy routes like this I do, but they are some of the lowest on my route grading system list because they almost always run worse than 90%. Of the routes available, bugged broken and never fixed. They leave them that way and keep chargins the same prices they release them at four years ex. New York to Trenton likely the worst performing route this games ever had, and the broken promise of freight as well. Boston sprinter being the other: they can do it but if it’s not copy paste timetable making real quick they seem lazy by not adding more to timetable runs and freight/passenger equal or close to on routes such as this one, that’s all I could ask for. Otherwise I would be 100% supportive for route choice selection and where they game is heading I still won’t buy TSW5 because it’s got nothing different if I buy anything beyond the base or second level up version of the game most the routes in delux and gold edition I literally already payed for. You run a German or British route man you’ll have countless layered locks available with better timetable and scenarios to run them with, American routes? Yea right. I am curious to know more about the freight side of this route much more than another commuter from California. I absolutely love that they added route hopping but come on there’s more to the U.S., Canada and even bringing in Mexico. Better scenery, better routes that people would much rather have, majority of us freight routes if they’d just add the long distance Amtrak trains would bring soooo much more to them, we were teased a P40/42 Amtrak engine with horshoe curve four games ago, every route has the depots and infrastructure built in game still including passenger loading zones, but still nothing. Looks like a decent route, just like most U.S. routes it leaves a ton to be desired and cutting off branch line after branch line needs to change

[@BoostedB16A90]

Download run 8 man you will not regret it

[@hj-mr5gg]

i wish they would make a Los Angeles (or any north american) light rail route

[@timotejbogsa1216]

i really dont get this. On some of your other videos you say the scenarios are too short 40mins for example and too few stations, but now when you got 12+ stations and 1.30 mins of driving you say the scenarios are too long. I also dont get the hate on californian routes, most of america is empty and the only semi populated places are on the coasts, we got some east coast routes and some west coast routes, and for me californian routes are a lot better, because theres always something to look at and theres usualy a lot of stations, on the east side theres just concrete on top of concretre, with mostly straight line track and not a lot of elevation change. I suppose they could add some sort of cascade route but then there would be a problem with too few stations, i also think you need to consider some people like to drive freight not just passangers like you and california is perfect with a good blend of freight and passenger, and then theres the route hopping feature and for me personally i would love to drive through at least 3 or 4 different routes with 1 train and i know im not alone, and thats what i think dovetail games is trying to achieve in california.