5 Things I LOVE + HATE about the Ableton Move

[@michael7018]

My favourite thing on this well designed device is Capture. You just jam and hit Capture button upper right and voila, you have it as a clip. Not sure why he didn’t cover that. I’m waiting for mine. I have a studio full of synths and all that jazz. But, I tried Elektron Sample, OP 1, Polyend portables. Sold them all, because of workflow. This, will suit me for sure. Can’t believe you didn’t cover what should be your favourite number 1 . Capture. There’s 32GB and 4 GB of RAM makes this a great device. The price is right and will bury all other competitors. They will keep updating the firmware which will open up even more Live kits and synths. You also didn’t cover wifi built in to sync to Ableton Cloud and Manager. You can save your idea wirelessly and load new kits etc. Obviously not getting paid by Ableton to review it? ❤ it! Will post a review in a few weeks after I get it this week.

[@samprock]

IKR! Same drill on all grooveboxes big and small. Can't wait for mine to be home tomorrow. Love seeying (good reviewers) never even press Rec, just Capture. Workflow, integration, pads, knobs, transfer, preset is a Live synth you can unfold, later other way around etc. All look so promising and answering many question we have for years truly! Cheers! It's either shallow/lazy/clickbate or even paid by competitor situation here LOL

[@ClevelandTerry]

Probably because capture is on all the ableton push devices. He probably assumed it’s a given.

[@ChipWarden]

Complaining about the ability to transfer sets to Note and/or Live is quite a take. As a sketchpad device, this is literally the "killer feature": transfer the set to Live without having to re-record and flesh out the idea with as little friction as possible. My music making time is precious and anything to save me time is very much welcomed.

[@samprock]

Totally! Killer feature for me, I still have 8 (best) projects on my OP-Z. Managed to Rec just one to Ableton, but never finished. That was part of my feedback to video but my comment is not public. Probably I provided "too much" of feedback to the video LOL incl complaining on 4 tracks w/o mentioning note playing, complaining on Move's massive velocity AT pads, comparing to MPC/M+ in league where the Push is. Never seen smooth workflow + "capture" + velocity pads + 32pads + 16seq + transfer feature on compatibles MC-101, OP-1, OP-Z, MV-1, Polyends etc. Whole vid sounds unfair to Ableton and misleading to musicians watching it. I'm very excited Move coming home tomorrow!

[@Paul-mf7zx]

@@samprockwhat do you think now after trying it?

[@samprock]

@@Paul-mf7zxMate, it’s amazing! Last night had fun in bed, yes, with Move 😂 Capture and Undo workflow tops. All self explanatory and natural. Made pretty tune with 2 synth tracks and one hefty drum using 6-8 percs. All easy to play and find/change. Today connected to Live in control mode. I’m fkn lazy. I like it even better than Push because it’s small, can reach to 8knobs and undo and pads. It’s just feels continuation of Logitech computer keyboard. And it works simultaneously with Push I have on a side. I usually keep large synth in front of me and need to move Push in middle. Move just feel a small space. And they play together Push and Move, it’s like Machine and Studio, only Mive smaller and takes no space. Happy for around the house standalone and a small controller on studio desk I always dreamed of (believe me I tried nothing made me happy as this thing). 🎉

[@samprock]

@@Paul-mf7zx Totally awesome! I spent night in bed with it (pardon lol :) though important point it has enough light playing in dark room (op-z always needs some light). All came natively and intuitively. Made 2 synth track and drum of 6-8 percs, adding notes to melodic pads. Most exciting is Capture/Undo. You like last play capture, review and not so much - undo. No obligation to play Rec and make perfect shot. I have Push3, but I like Move even better - all action buttons just there and 8 knobs so close. You don’t “think/look/program”, just play. Connected to Live and was even more fun. It’s small and sits on top of Logitech kb. It’s just music keyboard always dreamed off. I’m a programmer, work on PC…. while running Mac in background with Live w/o screen. Again I got Push3 for that. Now smaller Move. And they work together. Push aside for clips and mix. Move note pads, seq, and transport, and knob automation. So I played most powerful “standalone” with Mac Ultra and no computer screen. At night I switched back to Move standalone project and it traveled with me to kitchen, bathroom studio lol, and played another lullaby project in the dark. Pardon details but this is I know of most importance. Continuity on the same ecosystem. I did not expect that tbh, only thought it’s yet another groovebox. Same small and handy surface playing Live, VST (played Arturia MiniMoog, yet to drive 4 analog synth), and the same well build Move detached. Dreams come true. Music non-stop, if you also pardon my Kraftwerkian accent :)

[@Paul-mf7zx]

@@samprock thanks for detailed description. helped me a lot. I’m also a programmer and when a midi keyboard is too far, I just play on the computer keyboard, lol. so sounds like the right device for me.

[@myanrellick]

I have to believe, given how much power is in the device, we'll see firmware updates that will bring chords and arps. Possibly pattern chaining.

[@minimal3734]

I think there's more to come soon. Some of the functions feel like they're in the MVP (Minimum Viable Product) phase. Also there are several unlit buttons which are waiting to be implemented.

[@matthewgaines10]

Buy it for what it is, not for what it could be in the future.

[@myanrellick]

@@matthewgaines10....I did

[@HammyHavoc]

Been there and done that with the untapped potential of Maschine, Komplete Kontrol and Maschine Jam. Hardware is a crapshoot in ongoing updates. Would love to be proven wrong, but its success or lack thereof determines everything.

[@smithmann5616]

@@minimal3734 Yeah, is a firmware update going to give you 8 tracks?

[@max2jack924]

For me, the chord/arp implementation is the most important in a device like this. Hope that Ableton watch your video 😁

[@margaretchristo6859]

Great, unbiased review. Thank you.

[@kozihoppy]

Thank you for your honest review Sanjay, much appreciated. 🙏🏻

As an Ableton Live Lite user, I can fell your 4-track-pain...

[@mmacult5336]

just use a cracked version bruh...

@@mmacult5336 I guess I won't...

[@douglasfugazi]

​@@mmacult5336how it works in Mac?

[@Johnny-Hash]

@@mmacult5336 Naah. Just work harder & stop being a lazy boy..

[@towerrunner4675]

My Pocket Operator also has 4 tracks and a mic. I love Ableton, but I don't need this thing.

[@philippeedwards5813]

I don't care about the 4 tracks, with the possibility of playing melodies out of DR pads, you can play around that limitation pretty easily. The ONLY thing that is missing for my specific workflow is note/step probability. I use it a lot with ghost kicks, snares and percussion to make loop variations. If they added that it would be a perfect machine for me. I have the APC 64 and its step sequencer has note probability, but it hasn't the nudge option. If Move had both nudge and probability, I'm buying it right away.

[@soysos.tuffsound]

This... I use probability with Drambo all the time, love it.

[@SoundOfVinyl]

Send this to the ableton move team, they can put it in a future update

[@bennydesign]

@@philippeedwards5813 Move does have Nudge .. havent seen prop though

[@P4TCH5S]

I got a move! I hate the limitations but I LOVE the device. I can throw it in my bag and bike somewhere to make a beat! so great! Looking forward to the firmware updates!

[@HONjramiroz98]

What headphones are you using? They look really comfy

[@FatalExit]

Distrokid showing up immediately after you bring up things you don't like is perfect comedic timing, have to hard agree on that one! 😂

[@faganwilcox2443]

This is the fastest song creation workflow I’ve ever used.

[@sneaky_general]

Would be really cool if it had a basic sidechain compression like the Novation Circuits. If that gets added in an update I might have to grab one!

[@CpT1977]

Great review

[@gavinhammond3137]

4 piece 3 piece and two piece bands have been a thing for years . As a professional music composer. It is my only and full-time job. I can confidently say four tracks is plenty for me to do anything I need to professionally

[@soysos.tuffsound]

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I'd consider myself an advanced Live user, but this doesn't interest me at all right now. Maybe in a year, if they expand and improve on this device. I messed with a friend's Move the other day, I really like the form factor tho. I checked out Note when it first came out and honestly it didn't spark joy for me at all.

[@povertyofphilosophy1788]

Great vid, really like it but can’t drop 450 for 4 tracks

[@_TheViewer_]

So the effects came per templates or did you had to set them up before in ableton ? Shouts from Berlin as always, stay healthy both of you ✌️

[@majorchutzpah7265]

Templates

[@_TheViewer_]

@@majorchutzpah7265 Cool, thanks for clarifying!

[@VentureNW]

Oddly - you can do a whole lot more in the Note app, than you can with this - More tracks, more tweaking, rename sets, etc.

[@GodlyWork-p3q]

Mr Sanjay im in between of buying a apogee symphony or mt48 or apollox4 which do u think is the best to get sir. Thank you and have a amazing rest of your day

[@ignite2069]

I knew you'd have a review for me.

[@Rustik1722]

CAN YOU PLEASE DO A CIRCUIT - MOVE COMPARISON?

[@cresshead]

Q, can you record vocals via the microphone as the backing plays along for timing/pitch reference? and so put a separate vocal in a clip/track?

[@drindy5166]

SanJay!!! Waaasssaaaabbbbiiii!!! Also... Goodmorning from Canada my brother 👊🇨🇦👍

[@ScreamThatShyt]

lol

[@djrandalldean]

The lower crest factor on the pad hits could be a good thing for a performance instrument. Helps prevent big peaks clipping over the PA. No?

[@kingof9x]

Think about the difference between push 1, 2 and push 3 stand alone. Version 2 and 3 woll be amazing.

[@ChrisP3000x]

V2 - 2030

[@abletonflow4673]

16 tracks in just one drum rack, just like a DIGITAKT 2. And you have 3 extra to put 3 more Drum Racks if you want.

[@lamardoss]

It seems great at what it does. Really could get some nice production workflows with it… But for how little it does, the price is too big. I love it. I don’t love it to justify $450 though. Great vid nonetheless man. 👍🏼

[@MrVuvu]

Thanks for a great review Sanjay. Is the battery user replaceable? Ableton made a big splash on that fact with Push 3 but not here which makes me wonder. I wish the integration was more integrated. Why can't you transfer sets to Ableton via USB? It's already a Live controller points to Ableton. Also wish their app Note had Live controller mode.

[@fernandoanacletofirmino1518]

Is it rechargeable?

[@EdoardoMarcora]

Why not, when on Session mode, use a modifier button (session?) together with the trigger buttons to launch and stop the vertical scenes?

[@theoremgeek]

hope they add support for audio track in future firmware updates...

[@lvinivl]

Does it seem to me that the functionality of the devices is specifically limited so that we buy more things? Adding an araeggio doesn't seem like such a problem to me. But there is no such function. But there is a usb. Very suspicious.

[@bennydesign]

Cant understand the hate. €250? That will buy you a Roland P-6. Not even an EP-133, nor a Play+ or Sonicware or Circuit. But thats the Internet, where not even the Digitakt II is adequat.

[@smithmann5616]

Yeah no. In the US the P-6 is $199 while the Move is $449. In Canada the P-6 $289 and the Move, ready for this, $599. You can get a Model:Samples or a Model:Cycles for $399 CAD. Hell I Paid $299 for my Circuit Tracks before recent price inflation. $599 CAD for this thing with 4 tracks is way too much, Ableton integration or no Ableton integration. 8 tracks and $499 CAD, maybe. 8 and $399, sure. Also, EP-133 list price on TE website is $299 ($412.46 CAD) vs. $449 for this ($599 CAD). So no. 8 tracks is a fail. Everybody is saying it. Ableton should have known it too.

[@minimal3734]

@@smithmann5616 The P-6 is no competition for the Move. Maximum sample length: P-6: 2.9 sec., Move: 240 sec. (44,1 kHz stereo) Sequencer Steps: P-6: 64, Move: 256 Polyphony: P-6: 16, Move: 64 Storage: P-6: 48 samples, Move: Only limited by the 64 GByte of internal storage. The P-6 doesen't have a wavetable synth and a virtual analog synth. It doesen't have a chromatically playable grid with polyphonic aftertouch. The P-6 is a great instrument, but compared to Move it is a toy.

[@bennydesign]

@@smithmann5616 watch the two videos that @sonicstate did on the move ..

[@bennydesign]

@@minimal3734 yeah, but people say €250 would be the right price for the move … lol

[@smithmann5616]

@@minimal3734 ?? Not saying it is. Was responding to the OP who said that you can get a P-6 for the same price as a Move. No, you can't - Move is 2.5X the price of a P-6. So, at 2.5X the price the Move could at least have 8 tracks. 4 tracks is a fail. 8 tracks would have been a win. Ableton miscalculated on this big time.

[@JamesLevine-x2y]

We have a contemptible thread on the Ableton forums regarding the fact that everything on here caters to 4/4 common time, to the extent in which there isn’t even a notion of other time signatures more are there alternate and divisible lengths of sequences. Although you get what you pay for and there’s still plenty fun with these constraints, I’d expect to see this on the top five don’t likes list

[@djcontour]

I would have to guess that with a future firmware update, we will be able to “shift + pad” to ad another bank of clips. Sort of like maschine.

[@AllKapucino]

what about controling live?

[@artephank]

I didn’t use move but disliking push pads? Like, are there any better on the market? I user plenty of different pads and those in Push3 are best by huge margin

[@ClevelandTerry]

Mpc pads is what he’s looking for and to be honest, I wish the push had them. It’s night and day for button pushers

[@artephank]

@@ClevelandTerry oh well, different people, different opinions then. I like pads on Push more than those on MPC, perhaps personal preference. Not to mention they are MPE which is sick.

[@UnrealOcean]

Hi, could you make a video using the MOVE and the LAUNCH KEY MINI mk4 together! i think this will be the combination i go for! and hopefully ableton take some notes !

[@Elkesar1]

Loved old circut but its synths engine was very uninspiring for me. This look so nice, with easy ableton exports and workflow… Iam sold :)

[@michaelcoates8865]

9:39 "Are you on the effect or are you on the sample" @SanjayC The logo at the bottom right of the screen tells you whether or not you're on the effect or the sample! Clear as day, but I can see how it can be easy to miss.

[@simoncoudeville]

There are some empty shift functions spots under the sequencer, maybe they'll add some more features like chords there? Would be nice.

[@gregfromthevaley]

I think we will see a lot of new features being implemented in future updates. That being said 4 track limit is something you have to accept forever.

[@pongtrometer]

With all that pad space and touch sensitive knobs , the arp section , should have been. T1 killer , should have been a super duper poly timing ratcheting little monster…there isn’t on device that makes you go , this unique…. I’m happy with my novation circuit rhythm….even if they developed some performance effects, with updates….but maybe it will expand with updates , it was 10 years before the OG op1 got usb audio…so anything is possible. 👾

[@vsemarno]

I hope they'll add an ability to add more than 4 tracks

[@DougNak]

Hope you do a controller mode video too 🙏

[@kierenmoore3236]

Great video, Sanjay. Very helpful, thank you. It seems most all negatives could potentially be addressed via firmware updates (I don’t consider the mic/speakers a problem, since they can be easily augmented; yet maintain utmost portability, as is) … the only drawback that can’t be addressed at all, being the physical pads themselves (no MPE is a shame, but I understand they are Poly AT? … and sensitivity can perhaps be addressed via firmware?!). I too love the ability to plug in an external keyboard - in fact, that is a must for me. So, the main question I’m left with is whether/in what circumstances I am forced to use (and $ubscribe to) Ableton Cloud … and how much I can transfer from/to Move, without involving Ableton Cloud at all … ?! Obviously, this device can be a gateway drug to full-blown Ableton-user status … but need it be? How much can I do without Ableton Cloud - or without Ableton at all, even … ? 🙏🏼

[@2players183]

Honestly I thought it would actually sound better than this, Mini Nova Engine on Novation Tracks sounds much better. How flip work on each track work? How many samples/drum sounds I can play/alternate on each track?

[@jamescollins3009]

Sulpting sounds

[@drewthedirector]

the 4 track limit is kinda a dealbreaker for me, who thought that was a good idea. I mean i've been looking for a "push mini" to bring with me when i travel so this could still be super useful but annoying that 4 tracks is still the limit.. like WHY ableton? lol

[@draggabeats]

Good thing Boom Bap beats are just 1. Vinyl Sample 2. Drums 3. Bassline, I’m already seeing a lot of Boom Bap producers making beats with Move.

[@damelos4039]

Firmware is your friend. I know you shouldn't buy based on what "might " be added but we know Ableton will add the other functions fairly soon. I'm thinking arp and the ubiquitous request of additional tracks (Shift +X to get page 2) and four more tracks.

[@arkdmind]

Man, they said its suposed to be just 4 tracks, dont expect it to change and dont buy hardware because of possible future updates.

[@willybobo8846]

can you use it a an ableton controller as well?

[@colinreese]

Logic Pro for iPad is the truth. You have to try it if you haven't.

[@jorcis67]

I'm interested, but $450 too expensive. Maybe between $250-300 range. How about having integration with Ableton Note on iOS and then you have more tracks? 😅

[@BASILEMOJO]

Same as Ableton note App for 1.99 Euro ..and no Midi out & in .get a Roland aira sampler P-6 ,you should have precise Midi only over USB C so unusable with most midi keyboard

[@Rustik1722]

FREE ASSOCIATION ANSWER…CIRCUIT OR MOVE?

[@ChrisP3000x]

Someone doing an actual REVIEW for once. wow! I'm subbing. Keep it up. Hope this isn't just another marketing sales demo channel.

[@bennydesign]

@@ChrisP3000x thats not a review. Thats playing around for 12 minutes and making a youtube video. Watch Ricky Tinez for a review .. he actually knows how to use these instruments

[@ChrisP3000x]

@@bennydesign I've supported RT for years. He does great reviews for the few products he is NOT connected to. He does very thorough SALES demos for those he IS connected to.

[@Maholmusical]

प्रणाम सर, आप के वीडियो हमारे लिए बहुत महत्वपूर्ण होते है कृपा होंगी रिकॉर्डिंग आर्टिस्ट लाइव परफॉमेंस भी करते है और वो ज्यादातर कीबोर्ड प्लेयर है तो stainburg का vst Live pro vst host सॉफ्टवेयर पर किसी का ध्यान गया नहीं सभी mainstage3 के दीवाने है में विंडोज यूजर हु जो आप ये softwear पर एक बढ़िया वीडियो बनाए तो कृपा होंगी यूट्यूब सर्च करना कोई हिंदी वीडियो नहीं है और अद्भुत सॉफ्टवेयर है। ❤

[@moad8794]

$450 for this is absolutely laughable. I didnt look up a price until after reviews came out and guessed 250 to 300. Ableton is becoming the apple of music production

[@mcdan2696]

Thank you for your transparent review! Waste of $$$

[@javonscott4777]

It's like what the MV-1 should've been lol

[@EnochDark]

Finally someone else sees this! I was close to getting one of those when they came out but just felt like it could be better somehow... Does kinda make me wish I'd passed on Circuit Rhythm and Polyend Tracker but eh I kinda collect groovebox/drum machines as a thing so yeah guess this one is next right? 🤑

[@nukenoly8751]

Any cheap laptop with a Push 1 for the same price 😊

[@MattRid]

So much love and hate for tech so little music...

[@thebl8nlyblatantnetwork]

The mpc could never 🤯🤯🤯

[@sinewaymusic]

The MPC is so much more capable, even for EDM-style music. Just posted another jam on it on our channel.

[@jalitheengineer]

This makes me appreciate the gear I have. No GAS on this one

[@valley_robot]

its like an updated circuit , 4 tracks is a no for me

[@vardges.arakelyan]

They just leaving space for Move 2. Thats it. If they put all the features in this toy then who is gonna but the next one. Worst thing in modern marketing(((

[@duarteestelita7257]

it’s cool, i like it.. but that’s a lot of money. thanks very much for the review. ;)

[@AlexandreSoma]

All this limitations for $450???? Here in Brazil it can achieve 10 TIMES the price for currency and taxes... MOVE AWAY!

[@jacksp8de]

I really like this thing but it’s a but too expensive. $249 would be a good price.

[@majorchutzpah7265]

It isn't plastic like everything else in that price range

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

@@majorchutzpah7265well maybe they should have made it plastic..lol 😂$450 can buy and used MPC One or SP404 Mkii which both have screens and better editing of samples.

[@jacksp8de]

​@@majorchutzpah7265 Didn't know that. Its metal?

[@majorchutzpah7265]

@jacksp8de I'm under the impression that it is. Everybody was complimenting the build quality.

[@kellygreenii]

The device is a sketch pad. It is not the Push.

[@rjadamz9117]

Not worth the $500 asking price as it is now. If Ableton adds / fixes everything you’ve mentioned…I’m in. I hope they do.

[@MattRid]

fo’ da kidz...

[@BryanVehonsky]

The 4-track limit has to be put in context of the price and all the other features you are getting. Yeah, I wish it had more tracks too, but that would have had to make the device bigger to accommodate the pad layout, which translates into higher costs. If you jumped to 6-tracks (because 5 wouldn't make much sense) you are going to be looking at a device that is basically the size of a Push 1/2 and rubbing against the fact that this is a portable device.

[@EnochDark]

I intend to pair mine with other existing groove boxes so it doesn't seem so limited to me.

[@Lunolux]

they can "just" add a "button" that enable to switch to the next 4-Track, so we can had 8-Track i find 4-Track not enough

[@BryanVehonsky]

@@Lunolux "Just" doing that then basically doubles the computational/memory requirements down the chain or makes the existing hardware spec run worse.

[@diego_fdez]

@@BryanVehonsky computing power is cheap now a days, this has a Raspberry pi4 compute module inside...p5 2x-3x faster than pi4... price difference is not massive. They limited on purpose but the workflow is not there to support 4 tracks only. I hope they can improve it. An Electron Digitak1 goes for the same price and looks like a far more mature machine. anyway, lets give Ableton time to fix it... then maybe I buy

[@Goldlion973]

​@@diego_fdezprops to your comment.

[@lostreligion1313]

Move is such a great product, absolutely perfect for what i was looking for.

[@Steve-hx8nc]

I’m sure they will update all the “cons”

[@kirk6115]

really looking forward to a video on the new studio one if possible

[@dj3stripes]

450 bucks for only 4 tracks? Hard pass

[@filmingkey]

Yes but each drum rack has 16 of its own monophonic tracks. You can make an entire beat just with one drum rack. It can do much more than you think.

[@americoperez810]

Yup. Ableton just put out a video performance that shows someone using a single track for the entire performance by using this concept of using the drum rack for everything. Go check it out.

[@EnochDark]

You should buy the Akai Remix 16 on Reverb for the same price instead then.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

@@filmingkey$450 shouldn’t have to have a workaround

[@americoperez810]

@@EnochDark can the remix export to Ableton?

[@douglasfugazi]

This device is pretty expensive. Plus, you will need buy Ableton software too 😂

[@GeoffreyKnapp-f4f]

Those beats sound wack. It’s like a fidget spinner for people with 15 second tic toc brain. I’m still gonna get one just to be first

[@chalkbodyoutline]

11:14 where are guy getting launchkey for $100?

[@va941]

They made a half baked product, and everybody who doesnt see that is a blind fanboy coping hard😂

[@SpiritDK]

as he also mentioned, i feel you get A LOT more for your money getting a Launchkey and yes the 25 or mini25 is still a little bigger, but you get so much more, this feels more like a gimic, like "oh we have to put anything on the market, people love our puch, make something kinda like it" and if you look at the market, my personal feeling is that there are many and a lot better controllers out there some even a lot smaller and with a lot more features if you are that person that "I absolutely have to hike a mountain and make my music there" personly I have the LK37 MK2 and this one though a little interesting is not making me run to the store

[@whoadog8725]

You’re making an apples to oranges comparison. This works without a computer on a rechargeable battery unlike the controllers you mentioned.

[@SpiritDK]

@@whoadog8725 with only 4 track good luck using this without a computer and making anything resembling real music, sure you can bang out a few ideas on the bus on your way home or something, but you're not even partly finishing anything on this one without a computer

[@va941]

500€ preset player 😂😂😂 ableton fanboys are something else! And not in a good way 🎉🎉🎉

[@edumerloph]

You need to try Polyend products. More tracks, waaaaaaaaay more flexible.