Trinity Series - Part 3 || Mohammed Hijab

[@TheDragonaf1]

I was waiting for this. The notion thst the trinity violates all 3 laws of logic was a great lesson from last time.

[@Messi10266]

Okay, what about Islam -are there 2 eternal entities.?

[@TheDragonaf1]

@Messi10266 do me a favour Google 1)Who Mythra is to christainty 2) what day was he born and to what type of women and in which location and 3) how many followers he had and what his mission was on earth.

[@MohammadQasim]

33:08 The Asharis response to this would be 2 hands in the language refers to Power not 2 powers and the language permits this. Reference: Ibn Jawzi in Daf ash shubha says: “there is such a convention in the language. The Arabs used to say: He does not have two hands in this affair" meaning that, "He has no power in it whatsoever." "Urwa ibn Hizām said, "So, they said: 'May God cure you, By God, we do not have two hands in what the ribs have con- cealed."

[@MohammadQasim]

In page 52 of the book*

[@l3ll5l]

Can we say that power in a specific way are hands? Meaning like we say hands are for this and that the bone shape etc are only there because otherwise the power attributed to us cannot manifest itself the way hands should exert it. So the use of hands would show power that has certain features like that of a hand like directness, fine adjutments, etc etc

[@MohammadQasim]

@l3ll5l Are bones mentioned in the text?

[@MohammadQasim]

@l3ll5l there are 2 narrations I've come across that mentioned surah (form/image) ibn jawzi mentioned for one of them as a possible interpretation to be: Is to demand that it means the “state” upon which [Arabic linguists used sometimes synonymously with “form.” They say, “What is your form (“state”) like with (x) person” as well as,“‘fulan(person) is on a form (‘state” of poverty.”

[@l3ll5l]

@@MohammadQasim I think you misunderstood my question. I say physical form is not a necessary attribute of a hand even in its bodily meaning. We just depend upon a form and physics like bones muscles etc to act our power in a specific manner. Meaning the real meaning of hand actually transcends physicality be it form, being a part or organ dependent made up of pieces etc.

[@Mosesacuity]

45:55 here

[@moosoo13]

Wow this was an amazing session, everything from principles to full sparring lol. This is quite possibly the best way of learning, may Allah bless all of you and accept your efforts.

[@quranrecitation4169]

Timestamps (Powered by Merlin AI) 00:11 - Exploring the dynamics and importance of debates in discussions. 02:16 - Effective debate preparation focuses on arguments and strategy. 06:26 - Humiliation can be a strategic tool in debates. 08:23 - Tactics are dispensable, but effective strategy and rhetoric are crucial in debate. 12:53 - The importance of rhetorical devices in engaging an audience. 15:03 - Discussion on the Quran's effect compared to musical chords. 19:02 - Discusses the nature of God and attributes versus the Trinity concept. 21:21 - Discussion on the nature of God's attributes between Muslims and Christians. 25:13 - Discusses the nature of God and divine attributes in monotheism vs. trinitarianism. 27:22 - Discussion on the contradiction of the Trinity concept in Christianity. 30:45 - Discusses attributes of God and the coherence of divine nature. 32:44 - Discussion on the meaning and attributes of Allah's hands in Islamic theology. 36:54 - Effective debating requires balancing questions and answers. 38:28 - Feedback highlights debate performance and style evolution. 41:46 - Discussions on the Christian concept of the Trinity and Islamic critiques. 43:40 - Discussion on the contradictions within the concept of the Trinity. 47:28 - Understanding the concept of God in Christianity versus Islam. 49:09 - Discussion on the nature of God within Christianity and Islam. 52:46 - Discussion on the concept of Trinity and definitions of personhood. 54:34 - Strategic questioning can control dialogue in debates. 58:38 - Discussion on Allah's nature and the concept of God's creation. 1:00:32 - Allah's creation does not require physical attributes like hands. 1:04:21 - Key argument surrounding eternal generation in Christianity vs. attributes of God in Islam. 1:06:31 - Debate on understanding God's nature and the concept of the Trinity. 1:10:42 - Discussion on the nature of God in Christianity and Islam. 1:13:08 - Discussion on debate techniques and upcoming video series topics.

[@mujAz-i3q]

may Allah bless the Sapience brothers

[@BornJune1984]

Loving these

[@Al-Hanbalii]

I would be very grateful if you and especially Mohammed Hijab could educate us more closely on the subject of Christians regarding the Athariyya, because somehow they have heard about it and are bringing good arguments against us Muslims in this direction

[@drivecompany731]

As Salaam, Mash-Allah, very helpful video. May Allah Ta'ala bless and increase you

[@MohammadQasim]

JazakAllahu khair

[@fatimadiarra8087]

😅Mashallah. This was really good

[@rashidaquil5284]

So if God on earth for 33 years couldn't explain trinity so how come we human explain this mystery

[@husseinafzal2335]

Where can we go for debate practice?

[@samirgashi5926]

MashaAllah, it was joy to watch this video. Absoloutley trinity goes against everything. It doesnt make sense, as Allah said in the quran: if there were therein ( in the heavens and the earth) gods besides Allah then verily both would heve been disordered.

[@ayeshayasir8665]

Mashallah

[@SalihSabir]

23:00

[@TheAlfaarouq]

Banger episode

[@ayeshayasir8665]

22:35 due to the principle of sufficient reason there cannot be an explanation to the greatest explanation, if there were then we have an infinite no of explanations which negates the principle of sufficient reason itself, hence thats why allah does not have physicalist parts, i e both anthropromorphism and etc, because physicalist hands, minds, faces all are constituents of explanation. JAZAKALLAH.

[@khayalie_pulao]

The problem of infinite regress shows that PSR isn't absolute. There must be something without any explanation. But if you believe in PSR how can you prove that the non physical things don't require explanation?

[@ayeshayasir8665]

@khayalie_pulao yes exactly, the necassary being has NO explanation and thus, the necassary being is the ultimate substantiate explanation for everything that is contingent, whether physical or anything else. It's not necessarily about NON physical things, or entities, rather, it is about CONTINGENT existences, or possible existences or dependant existences, as known in modal logic, so I don't see what your dispute here is.. Also, the PSR logically ENTAILS a necassary being or explanation, because without it, you would have the absurdity of an infinit regress.

[@khayalie_pulao]

@ayeshayasir8665 how do know whether something is contingent or not?

[@ayeshayasir8665]

@khayalie_pulao there are many ways to inspect such a thing, such as looking or inspecting the "whatness" or essence or the whoness of that thing, such as where does this thing derive it's existence from? Is it dependant upon something for its different, could the thing in question have been different or in any other as to how it is now? Does the thing in question change form or behavioral attributes? As such a change is always caused by something external, if it is physical and percievable, or detectable physicalisticly then therefore it is contingent, if it is composed, etc etc, I can elaborate on these points more if you wish...

[@khayalie_pulao]

@@ayeshayasir8665 So you mentioned 3 ways to know whether something is contingent or not: - If it is dependant - if it could have been different (any other way) - if the thing can change form Let me take quantum field as an example. How do you know the above 3 criteria apply to it.

[@mohamedaliouat]

Quran says that if there were three gods then each will have its own creation and there would be disagreement. BUT... what do Christians believe? Christians believe that the persons of the trinity have THE SAME WILL, they can't disagree with each other!! MEANING THEY ARE THE SAME GOD!

[@gghbbhjbg]

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[@AnswerEasy]

Salam alaykum. I think the discussion on rhetoric is important but it had too much focus. At the end of the day it's the arguments that count. If you have a strong argument and are careful of the opponent's rhetorics nothing can stand in your way. This video should have had that highlighted more. In some points it became a rhetoric battle royale where key arguments were not even tackled and trust me, sincere audiences cringe at that. This video could have tackled more the question on the attributes of Allah (why 2 hands and not 3 according to atharis?) and delved deeper into the contradictions within the trinity, which are many.

[@khayalie_pulao]

I agree. If you pose contingency argument as your strongest argument for the existence of God you can't sideline such questions like Why Allah has 2 hands? Why couldnt they be more or less. Suboors reply was a non-answer.

[@zaheen6614]

Mashallah 😂😂😂

[@Smile100-r3s]

The Qur’an is regarded in Islamic theology as the uncreated and eternal Word of Allah (kalamullah), existing as one of His divine attributes. Yet, while eternal and uncreated, the Qur’an is explicitly not considered to be Allah Himself. This creates a significant theological problem: Islam now posits two distinct, eternal, and uncreated entities-Allah and the Qur’an. In Christianity, Christ Jesus is identified as the Logos (the Word of God), uncreated and eternal, as affirmed in John 1:1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Christian theology resolves this with the doctrine of the Trinity, which unites Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one divine essence. In contrast, Islam’s insistence on tawhid (absolute oneness of God) leads to a contradiction. While the Qur’an proclaims Allah’s singularity (Surah Al-Ikhlas 112:1: “Say, He is Allah, [Who is] One”), the eternal and uncreated nature of the Qur’an introduces a duality that parallels the Christian Logos. This undermines Islam’s claim to a pure monotheism, raising the question: how can two co-eternal realities exist without compromising Allah’s oneness? Muslim theologians attempt to sidestep this by asserting that the Qur’an is merely an attribute of Allah, yet this explanation fails to resolve the logical problem. If the Qur’an is truly eternal and distinct from Allah, Islam inadvertently mirrors the Christian concept it so strongly opposes. This internal inconsistency reveals a theological vulnerability that calls into question Islam’s claim to uncompromising monotheism.

[@UIclaimUIonline]

the Quran is not eternal and the Quran on earth is created So please stop lying about our faith

[@Smile100-r3s]

@@UIclaimUIonline Hijab in this video says Quran is uncreated. So I think you and all the Muslim community are confused and disagree on this simple question whether Quran is created or uncreated. So many Muslim sheiks and experts still can’t agree on what the Quran is, whether it’s created or uncreated. For this reason I can’t trust the Quran.

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

The Quran is not created and not eternal.

[@RayOfHope8]

🍉🍉🤲🤲🌹🌹❤️❤️❤️

[@cgmohammed]

Q

[@RealVerses]

Suboor is the best Christian debater I have ever heard.

[@GaetanoCostanza]

There will be those who understand those that do not. Hijad is one that does not

[@kalactose348]

Auwal

[@ayeshayasir8665]

second.

[@kalactose348]

@@ayeshayasir8665 You mean ithnan?

[@ScottyyyB96]

Lol Hijab, more rhetoric than meaningful argument… “That’s why he said FOR the prophet, not TO the prophet” - meanwhile, that’s exactly what David Wood said…’ Allah prays *for* the prophet. The argument wasn’t whether Allah prays *to* the prophet or prays *for* the prophet … the point was that Allah *prays* To whom is he praying to? Himself? That was David Wood’s point, but Mohammad Hijab used rhetoric and completely sidestepped the argument and gave no answer, instead attacked a straw man. Stay Blessed. 🙏🏾

[@mohamedaliouat]

Quran didn't understand the trinity! Thinks mary is one of them 😂 Best case scenario is to say quran doesn't define the trinity, which is embarrassing because he has to articulate and refute it, but it didn't.

[@l3ll5l]

1. the Quran refutes all false christian beliefs even the ones outside of trinity. The Quran doesnt hold itself limited to your low standard of trinity is all of christianity. 2. The Quran doesnt claim Mary pbuh is in the trinity rather it claims they took her as a diety which if you were to go out of your echo champer and educate yourself for God's sake you would have known it. The ignorant is ignorant of his ignorance trying to belittle with his intellectual depravity the things shining above him. What a self projection! Go grow some intellectual integrity and detox yourself from your toxic emotions

[@UIclaimUIonline]

the Quran doesn't even mention the trinity let alone include marry in it 😐

[@mohamedaliouat]

@UIclaimUIonline yes, it uses the word "three" not 'trinity'. But it is strongly implied and in my opinion the only interpretation is that mary is part of the trinity.

[@UIclaimUIonline]

@@mohamedaliouat so it doesn't mention the trinity

[@mohamedaliouat]

@UIclaimUIonline what do you think it means by 'three'?

[@GaetanoCostanza]

Why not ask him about the 30 versions of the quran that breaks the standard Islamic narrative.

[@l3ll5l]

The standard islamic narrative throughout history is that the Quran has multiple modes. All are from the seven ahruf dimensions. But it must be going back to the Prophet pbuh. Al-Makkî categorized it like 1. Change of i'rab 2. Change of dialectical recitation. 3. Ta'kheer taqdeem 4. Change of definite indefinite etc etc for a more accurate categorization please refer to the famous classical work of him Ibānah. Please dont impose upon Islam your western narrative. The Quran is above your western standards. It is more advanced than your literature

[@ampagetech2624]

Ibn taimiyyas confusion on God. He thinks God must be spatial and anything that has no spatial extension does not exist. He is a pure materialist , he thinks God surrounds the earth and the sky so that wherever you are on a spherical earth God is above you - thus it means the earth is contained inside God. With our present understanding of the cosmos and universe this is no longer tenable. . his is nothing but crude theistic materialism a completely indefensible jargon..