Trinity Series - Part 2 | Mohammed Hijab

[@UIclaimUIonline]

The trinity is the main doctrine of the Christian faith and the main argument against the Christian faith

[@fedesetrtatio1]

Trinity is a doctrine of Christianity. The main doctrine of Christianity centers on the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the foundation of salvation for humanity. Get your facts correct.

[@UIclaimUIonline]

​​​@@fedesetrtatio1well the trinity relates to the life ,"death" and "Resurrection" of Jesus and you would be condemned as a heretic if you don't believe in this doctrine so i would say that it's foundational to Christianity

[@its2eezy]

​@@fedesetrtatio1 So, are you saying that the question 'Who is God?' isn’t the main concern of your religion? Btw it’s interesting that God would judge us based on our beliefs about the life of a man who lived 2000 years ago, while there were hundreds/thousands of generations that lived before him. Do you belive that there was a different, correct religion before Jesus and that God later changed it? Also, if ‘salvation for humanity’ is attained only by those who subscribe to the chrisitan doctrine, then it seems he didn’t die for all sins because if that were the case, the sin of disbelief would also be forgiven.

[@csharpistrash]

​@@fedesetrtatio1 The notion of salvation is not going to help insofar as a God doesn't exist to provide salvation on the day of judgement. Furthermore without the notion of a creator to provide these methods to his messengers to perform miracles that everything else cannot perform requires his nature must clearly be in question and ascertained to a person seeking truth through rational dispositions located within every human being able to understand.

[@Harris19941]

​@@fedesetrtatio1the main doctrine is primarily him being God in Triune sense the whole idea of crucifixion and salvation is because he is believed to be God its predicated on that belief the trinity is therefore absolutely the core doctrine which is logical because we judge any religion first by the concept of God and not by some side things like certain morals and practices

[@griefwnl7641]

I think it’s time to talk to Alex O Conner. He has recently had debates/conversations with Christians that have been absolutely horrible. Every question he has is answered by the Islamic paradigm.

[@Has-Bag]

He had a debate with him, Alex o Connor got destroyed and was in denial the whole time, then afterwards he made a video saying that Mohammed Hijab was being rude.

[@griefwnl7641]

@ Yh that’s completely true. Alex got destroyed. But even if you ask Alex he, would say half of the things he said were stupid. They r both very different figures now than before.

[@l3ll5l]

To have a clearer understanding of the candle example and why it doesnt work: Think of a tube which has two water inflows one water is red the other green. When you fill the tube can it be just red or just green water? Obviously no. Back to the candle example. The activation energy is like filling the tube with water if it overflow the candle lits up of we add more matches the tube will just overflow more violently but never be just green or red. Never will just one water income fully responsible for the filling of the tube.

[@trappedinexistence]

Craig knows it doesn't make sense. he also knows that the average christian doesn't get it which is why he's targeting that ignorance instead of dealing with the arguments.

[@abu.goldjunge]

Where can i see this logic course he mentioned at 18:50? JazakAllahu khayran

[@saamady]

@abu.goldjunge if you search for "Sapience Institute Propositional Logic" on KZbin it should come up. It's a 3 part series.

[@andrewbradley6941]

What's this obsession with the Trinity? Would you like to become a Christian?

[@elysabactani]

عن الزبير بن العوان قال سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول كان الله منذ الأزل بكلمته وروحه واستوى عرشه من العدم ولما خلق قال ولقد خلقنا السموات والأرض وما بينهما في ستة أيام لم يمسسنا لغوب فبكلمته خلقن وبروحه زين السموات Zubayr Ibn al-Awwan reported that he heard the Prophet say ” From eternity Allah has been there with his Word and his Spirit ,he established his throne from nothing and when he made he said ” We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us. ” And by his Word they were created, and by his spirit he adorned the heavens. -- ( Al Hikmat fi Qawl al Nabii Muhammad - The Wisdom in the Saying of the Prophet Muhammad , Volume 1 , Page 92 , By Shaykh Hussein Abi Talib Al Marikhi , Bahrain - 1979)

[@Smile100-r3s]

The Quran presents its own theological dilemma akin to the Christian concept of the Trinity. Christians reconcile the dual nature of God the Father and God the Son within the framework of the Holy Trinity, affirming their unity in essence yet distinction in personhood. However, Islam faces a similar conundrum: the Quran is declared to be the eternal, uncreated word of Allah, yet it is distinct from Allah Himself. This raises a critical question-how can Allah and the Quran both be eternal, uncreated, and divine, yet distinct from one another? Islamic theology struggles to fully resolve this tension while maintaining the strict monotheism it claims to uphold.

[@MohammadQasim]

Jazak Allahu khair

[@Uthopemus]

@35:55 you can't have your egg and eat it 😅😂😅😂

[@Valconize]

Bro loves his own jokes.

[@SkyStar-p1b]

Jazakallah khair brother

[@csharpistrash]

Asalaam u alaikum brother Hijab. Firstly I mention I have been attentively watching your lectures and works against the atheists. Great job. I want some clarification on a position you mentioned in regards to islamic theology; at roughly 5:00 onwards that Tusi, I assume Nasir ud Din, attempted to weasel himself out of positing truthood to the notion that we are attributed with existence and God is hence we share the attribute of existence with him. As far as I have read, not as much as those books in the back 😂. But they do not shy away from the notion of wahadat al wujud in a restricted sense. Firstly is god ATTRIBUTED,/PREDICATED with existence? Or is he existence in and of itself. Do you affirm the primacy of existence like these philosopher's proposed such that any being x attributed with existence is different to the pure version of existence that is manifest and unbound in and of itself. Br Mo Hijab are you familiar with the neoplatonic understanding of wujud implemented by the sadrian and akbarian school within the twelver doctrine of Tawhid? Proponents such as sadra and many other scholars of the past such as suduq in his kitab al tawhid affirm that existence is a part of the essence of god. The humans which exist they do so insofar as they act out a degree of existence and are instantiationg a limited form of the good. Whereby God is the pure good they are dependant upon. Good can be equivocal with existence and any other form of dependancy man has on God.

[@IbrahimWishakaEl-Rumi]

I don't like this lecture because it makes me laugh out loud about their trinity concept😂😂😂

[@trinitymatrix9719]

So you laughing of people of far higher IQ than yourself 😂😂😂😂

[@rufusmazzoli]

God (who is the Father) (1 Cor 8:6, Eph 4:6) = the LORD (Josh 22:34, Ps 118:27) = the King of Israel (Is 44:6, Zeph 3:15) = Jesus (John 1:49, 12:13) = the Spirit (2 Cor 3:17, John 16:14-15) God the Father = the LORD = the King of Israel = Jesus = the Spirit For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; (Col 2:10) that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. (2 Cor 5:19) The Trinity is a Catholic doctrine which was used to infiltrate, confuse and subvert the church of Jesus Christ. Do not conflate Catholicism, which is a political outfit, with Jesus Christ.

[@rufusmazzoli]

Trinitarianism is a Catholic doctrine - a doctrine designed to confuse and subvert the church of Jesus Christ.

[@ahlembousetla3502]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم " ليسوا سواء من أهل الكتب أمة قائمة يتلون ءايت الله وهم يسجدون" المرجع سورة ال عمران (113) القران الكريم ذكر الله تعالى

[@irfanmohd091]

calculas wsa invented by Newton if im not wrong ?

[@trappedinexistence]

they both did but Leibniz published first

[@csharpistrash]

Leibniz asw

[@abdullaherol6836]

thanks

[@mohdnorzaihar2632]

Could Christianity@Trinity spread "without" Rome's..!!?? Peace be upon ya'll and assalamualaiqum wmt

[@ajmalzeracks]

Can't water, ice, and vapor exist at the same time at triple point?

[@faeiger9215]

The special conditions needed for that is no different then entering the proverbial Time Machine

[@jdlc903]

As a secular, the Trinity is incoherent

[@gghbbhjbg]

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[@galibmuhammadshahriarhimel2230]

Bro Hijab, then they will come up with another absurd analogy that they don't compare that with neither dead nor alive; they compare this with neither in this dunya nor in heaven/hell but in the middle (Barzakh) 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Before Christians come up with this, I, as a Muslim, am already thinking about this nonsensical analogy and telling you about it so that you can debunk that also.😆😁😆😅🤣. In the next episode, debunk this one too. 🤪

[@MohammadQasim]

35:50 😂

[@romacaputmundi_77]

The Father has relational priority over the Son, but the Son is not brought nor kept into existence by the Father and, therefore, is not ontologically dependent on the Father.

[@Harris19941]

what do you mean with relational priority yet another fancy word christians come up with and what is understood with eternally generated by the Father then

[@romacaputmundi_77]

@@Harris19941 The Father generates the Son, so He is prior to the Son in terms of how they're related. It's eternal because it's not caused in time. What's so difficult to understand?

[@Harris19941]

​@@romacaputmundi_77prior to and generate the other clearly shows superiority of one over the other so dont twist it now like i cant understand it barely any christian understands this mambo jambo full of contradictions

[@AbbaJifarTube]

Generates and prior all of these terms negate eternity.Generation and even the word prior itself to be understood must have a starting time, that is why Jesus is generated at a time and before that he wasn't generated

[@romacaputmundi_77]

@@AbbaJifarTube Wrong. They are analogical terms. God's operations of intellect (Son) and will (Spirit) are eternal, and these operations are not caused by God but eternally proceed from His essence. Doesn't your theology have the same concept with the Quran being eternal?

[@mohamedaliouat]

The quran misundrstands the trinity, thinks mary is one of them 😅😂

[@Wazediou]

Sure buddy

[@Mariamblu]

🥚🐣🍳🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tototete-j6d]

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[@UIclaimUIonline]

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[@fedesetrtatio1]

*The doctrine of the trinity dumbed down for Muslims* *Allah (swt) = Allah the Father + Kalimat Allah (the word) + Ruh Allah (Holy Spirit).* 1.Not three Gods because that is shirk. 2. Not Allah (swt), quran , angel - because that is bigger shirk because you are associating creation (quran and angel) with Allah (swt). 3. But One divine Being (Allah swt) with three persons. *Question for Muslims.* How many persons has Allah?

[@MizJJ]

You are conflating your idea of persons with our idea of attributes. Allah SWT has attributes and names to show his majesty while the doctrine of the trinity separates persons, wills, bodies, etc. Inherently flawed.

[@delightfulty]

God is one Person. He is the One. To believe in multiple persons is polytheism. And what you described is not the trinity at all. You literally worship a human being.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

@@MizJJ Mate my initial comment me simply trying to help Muslims to understand the doctrine with terms familiar to them. This is an attempt to define something not a theological discourse. And by the way, it is impossible for anyone to conflate persons with attributes philosophically, theologically or metaphysically. Personhood refers to will and consciousness and attributes to inherent qualities or characteristics. And by the way, the Ruh of Allah and the Kalimat of Allah are not his attributes.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

@@delightfulty God is not a person he is a divine being. The word Person is used theologically not colloquially. You have no clue what you are talking about. The God of Abraham is totally unlike his creation. A stone is a being with less than one person, A Human is a being with one person, but Yahweh is a being with three person. Totally unlike anything in his creation. How many persons has the divine being Allah?

[@fedesetrtatio1]

@@delightfulty said: You literally worship a human being............... I worship a God who has the power to incarnate as a man so that he could redeem us. It is you who worships a man and then you deny it. My salvation depends on the obedience to God. Your salvation depends on your obedience to a God and to a Man named Mohammad.

[@GaetanoCostanza]

This man will not even admit that there are 26 versions of Qur'an.

[@ahmaduahmed8760]

Yesterday it was 30 versions today it is 26 versions. What will it be tomorrow? Keep inventing your lies.

[@genzigzag]

If there are name them? There is only 1 Quran, which is the direct words of the creator, Allah SWT. Unlike the Bible which are words of men, many anonymous, with many distortion and contradictions.

[@georgiacap9294]

@@genzigzag Today there are 32 versions of Quran with textual and meaning differences and contradicting statements 1, Qaloon 2, Al- susi(ibn-katheer) 3, Khaled 4, Idrees 5, Warsh 6, Hafs Ad- Dury (Abu - Amro alBasri) 7, Al- Laith 8, Al- Bazzi 9, Al- Azraq 10, As - Susi (Abu Amro alBasri) 11, Ad - Dury (alkisa'i) 12, Ibn shanboodh 13, Al - Asbahaani 14, Hisham 15, Ibn Dhakwan 16, Isa BinWardan 17, Sulayman 18, Ibn Jammaz 19, Ahmad bin Farah 20, Qunbul 21, Showba 22, Ruwais 23, Shujaa' bin Abi Nasr Al- Balakhi 24, Abu Amro Al - Ala 25, Hafs 26, Ruh 27, Al - Dury(Al Hasan AlBasri) 28, Hafs Al - Dury (iln kathir) 29, khalf 30, Ishaq 31, Al Hasan bin Said Al- Matuu'l 32, Abu - Farah Al- Shan - budhi

[@yuliaadam]

When you have nothing to say on the topic - invent a lie to deflect.

[@trinitymatrix9719]

@@yuliaadam dear muslim, u want to see allah failure and countless contradictions in quran yet he claim it isnt?