Sarah Edmondson: NXIVM and How I Escaped a Cult

[@sandra_nomoto]

Have never listened to or watched this show before but Christopher is one of the best hosts I’ve ever heard. Well done.

[@macygrace2978]

Yes👏 Great questions

[@jlclarkeprojects]

Agreed

[@randyhenry2477]

Only a few are that good. He wants it to be about her, not his quips or wisdom.

[@jfromstate8581]

He Ight

[@MJMallen]

Very informative interview Sarah - thank you. Having survived a similar thought reform program in Scientology, I can definitely empathize with you.

[@AA-lq5pu]

I was a former member too, on staff in South Africa, at Flag for Training for GAT2. Cheers to the both of us for getting out! We did it! I wish you all the best!

[@MJMallen]

@@AA-lq5pu Same to you. Onward and upward!

[@ktnworth]

@@MJMallen So glad you both got out. Hope things are going well.

[@MJMallen]

@@ktnworth Thanks Katelin.

[@anttt7993]

At least scientologists do charity work. These were just some self obsessed narcissists

[@mykylc]

Nxivn was ignored for a decade while being reported on. Shame on so many.

[@nahuelcutrera]

there is plenty of similar groups still there, the fbi is not always there to save people sadly.

[@mykylc]

@@nahuelcutrera yes indeed

[@tiffprendergast]

Yup

[@nuttyjunior]

@@nahuelcutrera they protect the members

[@miriamhavard7621]

It took the Weinstein accusations and the me too movement and the branding of the sex slaves angle to sell the story. It had sex, a lurid sexual angle to FINALLY sell the story. Yes. Shame.

[@Karebearstare]

I feel sick after I watch an episode of the vow but can’t stop watching

[@adrianm.6926]

I’m going to have to watch it now, very interested.

[@slaws2279]

Same.

[@tiffprendergast]

Yeah

[@davidhutchinson5233]

Seduced is really good. I wasn't impressed with the Netflix series. I like to hear from the victims. Their side of the story educates and serves as a warning. My heart goes out to every single one of them.

[@miriamhavard7621]

Yep.

[@AA-lq5pu]

Man I just see so many parallels with my Scientology Experience. I am still trying to deprogram years later. When she discussed how she was treated when she had a problem and how it was all turned back on her at 18:08 . She gets this cold look on her face and acts like her supervisor, she nailed it on the head. I was told that if I joined staff I would get R5000 a month and guess what, when I joined the first week I got R50 about $3. I started to hyperventilate and wanted to cry, I couldn't believe it, but I was looked at as a degraded being who could not control their emotions. I was deceived yet I am the bad one! They were so nice to me and tried to get me to join many times, but as soon as I joined, there was coldness with Nazi like military meetings, was hell, you never felt save! Scientologists are discouraged from looking up Scientology on the internet, but I don't think they are discouraged from looking at NXIVM, when they see NXIXMs documentaries it will help them to wake up.

[@taylors445]

I’m glad you got out! Hope your doing better today 😊👍

[@AA-lq5pu]

@@taylors445 Thank you so much Taylor. Appreciated. Best of luck to you.

[@taylors445]

@@AA-lq5pu 😊🙏

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

And imagine how dangerous a cultlike political organization can be. Instead of philosophy and religion used as coercion, political institutions can be corrupted by cult of personalities. North Korea is a tragedy. Sorry to hear you had to go through that hell. Glad you're free. It's okay to not be okay.

[@betalatethan]

Really great interview!! You guys really have a great flow 👍

[@TrueCrimeDoula]

Just bought the book on Audible! Was TYPING that as you suggested it - SO WEIRD!!! Thank you Sarah (and I'm a postpartum doula specializing in mood disorder prevention.)

[@bryandedon7459]

It's crazy this channel never took off. Dude is great at what he does.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

The giant scarf though...

[@northhallbabe13]

what a kind and genuine friendship you two share. great interview, thank you!

[@teymaraantonio-wright8963]

Came across N on Foxtel here in Australia. Followed Sarah from her first N seminar. I'm still watching The Vow and it's fascinating. I have been presenting a seminar here in Australia for the past 29 years. When people ask me how many seminars I do, I tell them two for adults. My intention is for people to come in, do the work and go out into the world and be the best they can be and to please not shove Born To Be Free down anyone's throats. Thank you to the both of you for this and for your honesty about other seminar male leaders. I HEAR YOU!!!! Much love from Down Under at this Covid time.

[@quintuplebanned4267]

Wha??? Huh? You wha?

[@LetsSeeTarot]

Not sure what you are saying as this came across as babble. Are you trying to pitch your seminar during this discussion though?

[@teymaraantonio-wright8963]

@@LetsSeeTarot . Absolutely not. My seminar fills by word of mouth. Just want people to wake up to what personal development is really all about. As soon as they want you to sign up for more and more seminars let that be a big red flag for people to stop, turn and walk - maybe even run. lol

[@YouHadMeAtMoonPie]

Does her shirt say “Don’t be Culty”? If so, that’s hilarious. Great interview!

[@sdidora5]

That is Chris Shelton lol

[@jenmckee1302]

It’s her podcast....

[@cruzianfibergeek]

Ok that was amazing.i felt his questions were respectfull while asking question people want answers to without patronizing the guest.

[@russelljackson8153]

This is a stellar example of how to do an interview, thank you for sharing it with us.

[@neoconnor4395]

LOVE this. I am currently struggling to get out of my cult and pursue my dreams. This ROCKS.

[@harrybrooks8514]

One of the scariest and most insidious aspects of cults is their ability to introduce the ‘weirdness’ progressively. The most effective ones know how to work their subjects between the red flags 🚩

[@macygrace2978]

Chris great interview!

[@maryallison0509]

I’m so proud of Sarah and Nippy and Mark and Bonnie. I was late to watching The Vow but it freaked me out. It was fascinated how they went about getting out then eventually prosecuting Keith.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

"The Vow" was a good start for me in approaching the NXIVM story, but "Seduced" brought out sides of Sarah and Mark that somehow were conveniently left out of "The Vow". Hmmm...it is good to get 3 or 4 different perspectives on what happened.

[@maryallison0509]

@@machtnichtsseimann Where can I watch Seduced??? And thanks for giving something to watch.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@maryallison0509 - STARZ. You're welcome. 👍

[@miriamhavard7621]

@@maryallison0509 you are going to be horrified and amazed. I'm so happy India's mother fought so hard to save her daughter!!!!

[@anttt7993]

They are complicit. She had her own "slaves". You fall easily for the victim mentality lol

[@angiecoers6255]

Learn to be a Cynic, don't be a follower, ask questions. If you're looking to "find yourself", someone will show you and may not be the right person. Stop reading self-help books. Find the right mentors and be strong enough to question what doesn't feel right to you. Get a good hobby.

[@Dan-lv2ih]

Self-help books are fine as long as you vet them. Who are the authors? etc. You can actually help yourself, said with such books said such a NXIV deprogrammer/psychologist in recent videos.

[@tiffprendergast]

Yup

[@tiffprendergast]

@@Dan-lv2ih yup

[@rancosteel]

Great response. These are the kinds of people who are always seeing themselves as "victims" and want to be saved by the unknown. You said what I always say, "go get a hobby".

[@machtnichtsseimann]

As long as with the "right mentors" one is free to think for themselves, which implies that one can absolutely disagree with one's elders, teachers, rabbis, pastors, priests. Re: being a cynic, that has its place, although becoming a critically thinking discerning skeptic is my vote after cynicism has run its course. IMHO, of course.

[@andrewdeen1]

i still haven't seen anyone mention to sara how thoroughly debunked 'what the bleep' was upon it's very release. one of the interviewees, an actual scientist, sued the production for taking his words out of context.

[@tylermane77]

LOL, who cares?

[@MissOrchid12]

Didn't know that, thanks for letting us know.

[@jeffkoons001]

mark has renounced that film

[@nkhirdaji]

And Sarah. Love Sarah. All the best.

[@davidhutchinson5233]

I can see getting involved in nvixm...but for my part, with my lifetime in sales, once the stories began on commission payments. I would have been GONE. I don't tolerate stories. EVER. Good on Sarah for her continued success and wow, what an interviewer.

[@foxibot]

Tony Robinson is a cult too. Lol, meant tony Robbins thanks penguin of death for telling me, Since the guy won’t say it, I will.

[@Penguin_of_Death]

Do you mean Tony Robbins..?

[@foxibot]

@@Penguin_of_Death yeah, lol.

[@davidmallard6127]

What's interesting to me is where and how do we draw the line between personal responsibility and the responsibility/accountability of the 'leaders'?

[@sidneyprescott6504]

I thought the same thing, if someone asked me for the deed to my house, I would say No, that's not a normal thing to do 😫

[@beyonce3]

That's exactly the thing. The cult subsumed people's personal responsibility and made them believe what the cult said and did was what they wanted. That if you didn't do what you were being asked to you weren't responsible. You don't want to improve yourself. At some point your own gauge is so messed up you can't really tell where you start and the cult ends.

[@mgm7908]

These trainers were making money off new recruits. They don’t talk about that though

[@macygrace2978]

What are you talking about? This was half hour Sarah has been VERY open she got paid hell the group was set up that way as an MLM. She didn’t get paid for years, but she’s been honest she did and remember she made this her life and career, you need to stop victim blaming. The question of which is the cult’s fault and what is responsibility is a good discussion but like the response said these people were mind fucked with, gas lit, lied to. Have some empathy and become aware and educated. She says she brought so many people in and feels she must make people aware bc she can’t undo that!

[@macygrace2978]

Read up on cult persona

[@katherinebervera4790]

vert well done, thank you to both.

[@cooper5626]

She is once again making money from her involvement in this cult....and promoting herself as this brave warrior. She hurt a lot of people and I still don’t think she gets that. Or she doesn’t want to. She’s smart and articulate, no doubt. But she is working this to her advantage and she will make a lot from this book and “classes”. Will she donate any of it to the people she recruited into this nightmare? Yuck.

[@ericswearingen5882]

She very well could be donating to those people.

[@anttt7993]

Glad someone else sees through her bs.

[@chineseinternalarts]

you either trust your self or you don't. There are predatory people that can spot people that judge themselves massively and will take advantage of those people. Hello creative musician person here as well. Please don't blame it on other people/groups. do not give your power away to others EVER. Loved the interview lot's of gold in there. We have the potential for so much mental control and not letting others into our heads. Be aware. Take control of your own thought's/feelings. I was part of a "cult" online only although the group had a very expensive retreat center in Colorado. I had the blind fucking luck to have a group teacher that said to me "trust yourself" in an interview and I never came back I simply did what i knew I loved. Didn't even process to me that the organization was a cult. I simply followed my heart and followed my intuition which I now know 98% of people won't choose. Research Reggie Ray/Dharma Ocean. Lot's of "carrots dangled". another friend also helped me in a different context said "do what is natural and what you know is true for you".

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Interesting. In my spirituality, mainly that of following Christ's teachings, there is an aspect of ancient Jewish thought as to not trusting myself. Too much. As in: we humans are inherently bad and need to work at being good. So, in a way I don't trust myself, but in the context of what you're talking about in terms of vocation, then I agree there is a place for trusting oneself. Especially when it comes to being burned out, avoiding cultivating the possibilities of pursuing dreams and realizing them, or at least giving our vocational desires the time of day! LoL.

[@davidhoffmann4114]

Stop interrupting her. YOU are NOT the story. You would ask her questions and then answer them

[@mars8044]

Well!...I'm actually glad he did that, because this lady is on another high and needs a bit of a calm down. It's a bit like she found her calling again. She basically moved from one sales pitch to another. However serious and awful what she experienced her situation hasn't change.

[@ElanaVital83]

@@mars8044 There's something to be said about that

[@msxmurda2385]

I feel like this girl is a liar and only here to make money or obtain roles as an actor. And @18:00 she admits she felt like she wasn’t getting paid enough.

[@miriamhavard7621]

Well, they weren't. 🤷

[@maroru7577]

On ESCAPING NXIVM, she said that she wants to get rid of all NXIVM stuff , but she keeps the nice Apple watch given to her by Nancy Salzman.

[@anttt7993]

And all the money

[@c.s.hayden3022]

There’s a unique value in being able to remove yourself emotionally from a situation and view it almost scientifically. It even holds a creative merit, gaining cohesive perspective. Cult leaders use it to silence independent feelings throughout the group, but having the power to switch off your own emotions can save you. It doesn’t have to be heartless, but more a form of ego death, a getting above. More submissive women (and some men) are at the complete mercy of the people around them to set the emotional direction and that creates a very dangerous vulnerability. Living like that can only work well if you surround yourself with truly great people. So much of the NXIVM curriculum was obvious pseudo science, but for all its talk of rationality, that’s not what drew in these women. They weren’t approaching it mentally, but weren’t necessarily stupid. The personal impressions and emotional drift of the group purpose is entirely what got them. We’re way too knee jerk sensational in this country and will continue to elect cult leaders if we don’t learn the value of restraint.

[@macygrace2978]

It’s a coping mechanism making positive out of negative yet people act like she’s happy she’s the poster child for this cult, taking her words out of context. FYI no one wants that, well a psycho maybe but she’s not that 🙄🙄 yikes These are the same people who always blame the rape victim ALWAYS

[@aliceinwonderland1120]

I am troubled by the NXIVM members like Sara who were sucked into the cult, but also exploited and manipulated many others for a very long time. Have reparations been made? Is she donating the proceeds from her book to support the recovery of those who were conned and exploited by the upper echelons of NXIVM? The interviewer was too much of a fanboy and did not ask these kinds of important questions. She admits that she is enjoying this life of celebrity talking about her “victim hood.” It must have been very difficult for the prosecutors to separate victims from perpetrators. This is also an issue in the Epstein case.

[@macygrace2978]

Don’t put words in her mouth. She said why she wrote the book -it’s not celebrity, btw wtf wants to be known as fool by so many ignorant uneducated public? She can easily be a host etc but that’s not her goal. What she’s doing is best of a bad situation and realizing the AWARENESS she brings to warn how people can become coerced. While also gaining healing.... People like you will be the same ignorant folks blaming the rape victim and asking what she was wearing to get raped.

[@macygrace2978]

Please get educated on victim blaming and be a better person in general and have some human emotions like empathy and less judging and mistaking her words on purpose.

[@Outcome_Agent]

She ain't a victim. She was a willfull participant for 12 years who ran the Vancouver center

[@beatrixkiddvideo2404]

If she cares so much about humanity then she should be offering her book for FREE to women and girls everywhere, and still make a living doing her voiceover acting or whatever else.

[@Penguin_of_Death]

@@beatrixkiddvideo2404 So what are YOU doing for humanity? What will YOUR legacy be when you shuffle off this earth?

[@mgm7908]

She seemed to have a career at NXIVM and made commission money on recruiting new members. I’m curious how much money did these trainers make? How much did members have to pay? Seems like it was a huge group of organized scammers . Also she didn’t escape. If you watch the Vow she jumped ship once Mark Vicente and Bonnie disclosed the creepiness. She is just riding the heavy train off this. I don’t buy her innocence

[@macygrace2978]

She’s been open she made money but not for many years in! Sure the money was a perk but not her main motivation. She’s very candid about it, Just check youtube. she devoted her whole life and career to it so of course she got paid. Duh.Their company was an MLM and set up that way anyway.

[@mgm7908]

macy grace she didn’t come clean until she knew the ship was sinking Duh! I’m sorry but I don’t buy it. Good night 🌙😴

[@mgm7908]

macy grace she admitted to recruiting over 2000 women. And she got commissions. Some women spent over 50k and she got commissions in that.

[@girlballs6834]

@@mgm7908 finally a voice of reason! She's been grifting this story while minimizing the damage she did to others, she's as bad as the others

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@girlballs6834 - In "The Vow" she came across as passing the buck. She was floored that she was mentally manipulated into doing things she later regretted and/or trusting Keith too much, but wasn't actually admitting to any misleading and wrongdoing against others herself. Just playing the victim. Which is too simple of a read after all the complexity left out of that 9-hour "Season 1". Actually, "Seduced" filled in some gaps, although that series left me with unanswered questions as well.

[@davidstyles5216]

A lot of the tactics used by nxivm are also used by the media and the democrat party.

[@dryaplesbrokentelevision656]

Rasputin was another cult leader promising spiritual awakening, yet ended in debauchery

[@bradmodd7856]

Jesus..trump, so many

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@zackamania6534]

I’m too lazy too be in a cult, apparently

[@miriamhavard7621]

Seems to be a blessing in disguise, then.

[@charlesderosas5577]

I'm here after HBO's "the vow".

[@elisg7]

Me too, I'm in 🇮🇪 Ireland and I'm fascinated by this story omg, I do feel sorry for the Smallivile actress I feel she was really brainwashed.

[@thunderousapplause]

@@elisg7 a good attorney could show the judge or jury how ppl are seduced into cult belief. explaining the psychology of stockholm syndrome should have protected patty hearst (look it up if youre not old :) ), but it didnt happen. we know so much more now.

[@teymaraantonio-wright8963]

@@thunderousapplause I hear you. I've been presenting a seminar here in Australia for the past 29 years. I tell my participants, do, the work for the day and go out and make the world be a better place. They ask how many seminars I do and I say two. When asked should they do more, I tell them 'I have no idea, what does your gut say'? My work is empowering people to not come back to do extra work with me!!!! We are all our own GURU!!!

[@macygrace2978]

Allison while yes indoctrinated was CRUEL in punishing women and recruiting them for sex trafficking! I’m sorry but she is no poor victim. She still supported him after she knew he raped 15 yr olds...

[@foxibot]

If you can watch seduced on STARZ because it goes into the ugly dark deeds of the cult and cult leader, and the disgusting sex stuff he did and how he told the couples that men did not have to be monogamous and the deaths. ID did a documentary on the lost women of NEXVIM and also Keith Raniere had a sick mother he “cared” for and I wonder how she died when he was 18. If I were authorities I would be putting hard squeeze on him about all those women’s deaths. He forced women to have abortions. Also hid kids he had. The vow was good but did not go into the darkness he preached and did. He was like Jim Jones, he was definitely about to get them to do something terrible. I think he murdered those women.

[@mariescholnkyn5117]

Did Keith do drugs? You could def tell he smoked pot, you could see in his "home videos" in the Vow doc he was high as a kite (in my opinion of course) and then on walks the footsteps were so fast and he seems really "up" even though it was 2, 3, 4 am. Was it ever said that he took pills or speed or an upper like that?

[@TeeJayNZ]

I bet he did drugs

[@Outcome_Agent]

A very subjective interview from an "ally" who conveniently glossed over all of the recruitment and mind control Sarah did herself at the Vancouver center that she ran or all the people she harmed and is now profiting on through her book and PR. The only reason she spoke to the FBI is probably because she was a target or at least of person of interest and therefore she probably hoped to escape prosecution. . Plus a few other things : No this isn't going to happen to anyone. I think it takes a very desperate person to fall for this bologna. This is same bologna as a pyramid mlm scheme which is where the Vanguard started off before nexium. I was only 16 minutes in and it sounded like a cult. From code words for recruitment, moving to Albany for an organization, to branding of some leaders name. Who does this crap?? This has cult written all over it. The fact that you had to refer to Keith as "Vanguard" and the co-founder as "prefect" should have been gigantic red flags to get the eff out. Or how bout the retreats where everyone practiced months for a song and dance routine to celebrate the "vanguard" birthday. All anyone had to do was research the Vanguard and see he was associated with a failed pyramid scheme before this.

[@victoria87cub]

Very uninformed opinion. Who is even Kevin? His name was Keith.

[@Outcome_Agent]

@@victoria87cub typo fixed. I've watched the documentaries, watched the journalist who went to Albany, and read many accounts. Sorry but my opinion is well informed

[@Outcome_Agent]

@@victoria87cub also go take a look at any of the two dozen interviews that Edmondson did including the Refinery29 interview where you boasts of recruiting 2000 people in to this cult.

[@savageaxe]

Anyone can claim how obvious it is to see the signs when they've already been pointed out for them. Anyone can think that "Well, if it was me...", but they don't know - because it wasn't them. Anyone can (and has) joined cults under deception.

[@beyonce3]

Cult + time = religion. Anyone could fall into a high control group. Even regilions can be high control group. They tell you how to live your life, what to believe and a version of reality everyone in the group accepts as reality. In a cult power is very centralised and people are at the mercy of the leader. If the leader is good and has positive intention the group will likely offer members actual benefits. But with all that power and nearly being worshiped a lot of these people are shady and push the boundaries of their control. Don't forget, no one here joined a cult. They took professional development classes. How innocuous is that. Most people just took classes. A small group were in the cult.

[@bigmaky8253]

Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game. That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones. And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment. Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

Sunk Cost Bias.

[@miriamhavard7621]

"Just take the 'L'...."as the saying goes.

[@ordinaryvalley]

Sarah is amazing ❤

[@ms.mojo_risin]

@21:30 “There’s a’LiL Truth In Every Jest”

[@chiefryback7906]

This woman isnt any Hero. She recruited more women years after she was branded and participated in these crimes. She should be in jail herself.

[@DreamgirlBlue]

Just discovered this channel but damn this guy is a great interviewer.

[@complextrocassette-carotta9889]

@@cattnipp lol

[@stickapot3623]

cant stand her, she bragged about being the top recruiter of this cult and NEVER EVER concedes any blame or retribution

[@user-jc8py7dw7r]

Oh, go on. I’m sure you also find fault with the sun rising and setting.

[@stickapot3623]

@@user-jc8py7dw7r lol, don't be so brainwashed. This woman was damn proud to state how she was the top recruiter. damn proud. u dont even make sense

[@Outcome_Agent]

She had the audacity to actually sue nexium for emotional harm. What about all the women she harmed in the process

[@stickapot3623]

@@Outcome_Agent OMG she makes me SICK. SHE IS AN OPPORTUNISTIC POS, GO TO HELL SARAH!

[@bdmc6583]

@@stickapot3623 I just dont see how she can want to throw someone in prison for talking her I to making a bad decision....

[@pepryan2183]

More imof these cult survivors could talk about owning their personal responsibility. Just saying.

[@macygrace2978]

Like Chris said this kind of education should be taught in school

[@miriamhavard7621]

That would be great!

[@nkhirdaji]

LOVE this interviewer.

[@brianwilliams6167]

ill have to watch the vow cuz im still not entirely following

[@tiffprendergast]

It’s great

[@miriamhavard7621]

Have you watched "Seduced"? It's very informative.

[@scottek3605]

this woman should be in prison. she allowed herself to get branded so she knew exactly what was going on and now she is profiting from her made up story. she pretends to cry but shows how terrible her acting is. lock her up!

[@ericswearingen5882]

How do you know its made up? Where you there with her at the time?

[@scottek3605]

the vow was like a depressing soap opera with washed up actresses

[@anttt7993]

She had her own slaves. Enough said.

[@anttt7993]

​@@ericswearingen5882she had her own slaves. You're very gullible.

[@That1grI]

I’ve watched The Vow and now I’m watching Seduced. seems like Sara Edmonson has really minimized many details in her account. Many explicit sexual details of what went on before the branding in episode 3 of Seduced. ! *WAY more then I imagined* How could Sara have not been the only one to not be a part of those type of encounters with Keith? If she was victimized she should be honest about it and shouldn’t have denied it in The Vow. Makes her seem dishonest!

[@Penguin_of_Death]

*THAN - 'Way more THAN I imagined'

[@miriamhavard7621]

What a relief for her to say that she thought initially "l hated it!!! This is bull......" Because honestly, that's what l was imagining what I'D think if l'd listen to their teachings......

[@canUfeelMYface]

she seems like the type who tells others that the problem is their tone 🤔

[@jromeo8247]

God...actors are just so needy. They crave a sense of being important and to matter to complete strangers. I think it is a disorder.

[@macygrace2978]

For me the link of culpability is not hard to decide. Sarah, Mark etc are people who left as soon as they heard illegal things including the abuse of women. Fought to get police to arrest him and gathered evidence -which wasn’t their job. Those people are innocent victims (you can maybe thinly argue about recruiting but these ppl thought they were helping and being helped-no nefarious motivations, they were lied to about insidious actions by inner/highest level, I mean if you recommend people to join Mary Kay and next month find the leader abuses people is anything your fault? No, now if you willingly do this knowing there is abuse ok you have blame.) People like Allison according to DOS/sex cult victims knew he was abusing women, underage sex with teens and did not give a F. In fact all arrested enabled it. Aside from maybe Lauren who spent her adult years being manipulated by mom and Keith who is still culpable for her actions btw I don’t feel bad for the rest of them. I don’t see what is so hard to understand about this. Granted I read court transcripts, saw documentaries, heard podcasts. Which I get some do not want to spend time doing but do learn more before crucifying and judging yet because of the fame she had ppl want to excuse just Allison. When she was one of the top women arrested.

[@nahuelcutrera]

the problem is you have to believe her that she didn't knew, and is a very easy thing to modify in the story she is telling... but at some point she realize the cult went too far and her moral compass didn't resist anymore and also that the cult was going down, jumped ship. But I believe she actually wanted to change what she did wrong, genuinelly wanted to help people get out and help the fbi. But I don't believe for a second she didn't knew before, she knew but look the other way because "the company" gave her a very good salary and rank, she got something out of it, why didn't she wanted to go to albany if she didn't knew? she knew there was bad stuff going on clearly, she chose to look the other way and keep pulling money and power out of it until she couldn't handle it anymore and also saw that it was gonna go down eventually because the guy always went a step further and further. The horrible thing is there is a lot of groups like this one that don't go that far, and for that they stay under the radar, the fbi doesn't bring them down. Many are there since the 70s they do a lot of damage but not enough to be brought down. Sad but true.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

There's Mary Kay...and NXIVM...and Hitler/Nazis. Various examples of being in some group, company, party. What does one know, willingly stay involved in via group affiliation, or how about what is "abuse" or "illegal"? The old excuse of "I meant well" only goes so far until it actually crosses over to enabling criminal activity. Following and submitting to a persuasive leader, with creative exercises, some abusive, but mostly building a business and leaders for tomorrow, and DOS involving sex and branding, is still mostly legal, is it not? In terms of character and believability, I get how various folks have problems supporting Sarah due to her participating in Keith's obnoxiously expensive "courses", then selling it to many people, being proud about it, then...seeing the light? Why, because she chose to be branded, then it became un-cool suddenly? Sorry, her decision in the end. She made countless decisions to stay, follow Keith, listen, learn, and do NXIVM to "change the world". OK. The gravity of her actions within NXIVM don't seem to match the passion of her life after-the-fact to clear her name. It's not all about her. What about her victims. Just asking questions...I could be wrong about her. Possible.

[@liliancorzo5334]

Excelent host.

[@jpenneymrcoin6851]

uh kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWPOpYiYbd94oLc if you're in that situation, that's not a normal job. normal jobs do not ask you to do things you're not comfortable with, just FYI for anyone who didn't know that.

[@wendyamrhein1710]

let her speak, please.

[@kylielogan8771]

So you are making money off of people who joined this cult? Don’t buy this book!

[@plesniartlaboratorij5174]

No can not everyone be naive and enter in a cult ..where is intuicion, instinct ... connect with a nature , real God ...real work ...formula for being normal ...we do not fail for crazy one or "leaders"

[@TeeJayNZ]

I would have been put off As soon as I saw that weirdo little midget with his name Keith 😂 2 red flags lol

[@horseheadkid]

yes, zero "crazy cult woman" vibes. just a survivor surviving ☻

[@anttt7993]

She had her own slaves and got rich off other ppl. You're very gullible. Are you in a cult too lol?

[@sweet2thpuppylover]

The host is terrible!!! Constantly interrupts, finishing her sentences, rushing, bombarding the guest with a SERIES of questions. Let it breath man!!

[@norankpost2]

Listening to their podcast, that progressively has more sponsors, and have such mixed feelings. She seems to need to say her sponsors are great, she eats it or uses it or whatever. She seems to have plenty of money. I wonder how much she gets paid for these interviews. Enough already.

[@jims3114]

IDK joining a women's group who's mission is to empower women but first you need to give them some collateral to blackmail you with. It's not the first or last cult and they were people you knew for a while, trusted and looked up to.

[@jpenneymrcoin6851]

after listening to a bunch of actors being interviewed and trying to form sentences, I've come to the conclusion that they really can't think very well. no wonder these groups go after them.

[@harleylady3615]

Gina they said killed her self bs I don’t believe that one bit 💯💯🤬🤬

[@imurno1fan831]

Sh1t!! Rabbit holes are the worst😢

[@tycobb2580]

03:30 you don't need to be an expert in cults to know Raniere is a total bullshiter

[@angelsrosena]

This man has been the most disgusting human being I have seen on earth so far, however, I don't see any victim there because from the moment you start selling your soul to the devil in order to get some benefits and feed your ego that's what I called "it's your choice" because everyone has free will and you're adult enough to know what you're doing.

[@roj4169]

And you certainly don't know how cults and indoctrination work.

[@slonekettering25]

Love Sarah, but this interviewer needs to stop interrupting. It’s not fun to listen to and rude. This is interviewing 101.

[@paulinag.2412]

I didn’t have any problem with listening to it as it is.

[@slonekettering25]

@ That is good. I genuinely mean that nonsarcastically. It’s hard to tell tone over texts.

[@EPlolz]

this woman is AMAZING. so much strength.

[@stickapot3623]

no she is not amazing, do some more research she was their top recruiter and to this day is still proud of it. she is a gullible fool who led others into to this obvious pyramid scheme. u are such a sheep it is pathetic

[@stickapot3623]

@Shamey Ames no you have me mistaken for Sarah who legit was a member of his harem, is branded to prove it and SHE recruited others!

[@EPlolz]

@@stickapot3623 wow u really got me!

[@tiffprendergast]

@@stickapot3623 yup

[@taraschwenker3860]

How did her parents allow her to be in a cult? As 2 therapists shouldn’t they have seen the flags & been able to deprogram her?

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

Why is this in b&w? Ironically no one would know about her if it wasn't for the cult

[@emmaemma6641]

Makes me think of landmark forum

[@harleylady3615]

Ask her about the rainbow garden the children 🤬🤬

[@pepryan2183]

More of these cult survivors could do with talking about their personal responsibility after getting out. Just saying.

[@ericainches9223]

then why is everyone falling for the Trans cult?

[@pepryan2183]

Well said

[@ellasm]

Society Is pulling us to "autoconstruction"

[@jstan197111]

Hmm

[@brianbannon6746]

Creepy stuff

[@TeeJayNZ]

Can’t believe that little dweeb KR sucked any one in but it did seem to start out harmless enough …until DOS 😮

[@jpenneymrcoin6851]

also, everyone watching this should go find the nearest marketing person and shove them down on some wet grass. marketing people.

[@eeayquetting5963]

"how I escaped accountability?" It seems

[@lunchin50cities]

Arrrghhh shup up and let her speak!

[@anttt7993]

Why is most of this video on the interviewer? Lol.

[@bdmc6583]

Christopher is a great host and he asks a lot of great questions that I've never heard anyone else ask. But DAMN he has the most douchey, bro-hammy voice I've ever heard! LOL He is really great though.

[@harleylady3615]

#RainbowCulturalGarden

[@rexchiquine6049]

narcisistic haircut,,,

[@nikmills]

So women shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions. Okay, I get it.

[@quintuplebanned4267]

What an insightful comment. You moron.

[@eeayquetting5963]

But if they do, they were definitely influence in those decisions by some man. So if you as a man tell a woman to do anything and it's not good he'll be punished for it like he was. But if you tell a woman to do something good, she's going to take the credit for sure. Isn't it amazing how this woman is able to keep making money off of this cult

[@nikmills]

@@eeayquetting5963 : I went to high school with the leader of this cult. All the women in that class of 1978 hate him, think he's evil. I never liked him, but I still think women should be allowed to make their own decisions.

[@dankatz1080]

Trump makes Raniere look like Mr. Rogers.

[@anttt7993]

How? Oh wait you're just parroting what other unintelligent people say lol. Nevermind.