Nancy Salzman tried to recruit me way back when they were getting started. She mentioned that Raniere was an amazing genius and that their material was so transformational it was a secret. Those were red flags to me.
@angelinaanderson4813 жыл бұрын
Wow 😳..... reading your comment this morning made me realize how far reaching this dangerous man... and group has been. It also gave me enough motivation to make a change in my own life for the better. Thx for the comment, you will never know how your plain and simple truth/words came to me at the perfect moment. 🙏
@MrSprite20053 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness you didn’t fall for it!!!! ♥️♥️♥️
@zofar95653 жыл бұрын
You have good critical thinking 👌
@quintuplebanned42673 жыл бұрын
Tell us more about her...what was she like? And those eyebrows...good God. She needed to pluck them in a permanent glazed grin position, to cover her misery, I’m assuming. Oh my. She looked so snowed.
@Coachgerri3 жыл бұрын
@@quintuplebanned4267 I met her when they were out networking and asking for people who were coaches or looking into personal improvement. Someone gave her my name since I am a life coach. So I agreed to meet her. She talked about how their material was so much better than anything out there in the field of personal development. But I'd been coached by some pretty amazing people. She "coached" me right there in starbucks. Her technique was good, but nothing I hadn't done myself or been exposed to, but then I had also had exposure to very skilled coaches. I'm sure they would have taken my money but I wasn't interested. The red flags were the emphasis on ONE leader - the elusive Keith who was such a genius AND that their material was so amazing it was patented and couldn't be used outside their organization. I don't think any organization has all the answers and when any organization or religion claims to have the answers vs. one's own inner guidance, that's a huge red flag. Spiritual leaders should be helping people find the answers within themselves. I think the few who achieve success through being the leader of a movement are easily seduced by their own power and are then drawn into feeding their egos. And unchecked egos are bottomless pits which can never be satisfied, and can only lead to massive destruction......... like our current president for example.
@thekittykarate5 жыл бұрын
Individuals who are actually well-grounded and have a strong desire to help other people usually do not go around selling self-help workshops. They are out in their communities, donating their time and money without expectation of praise. Anyone looking for someone kind-hearted to take after would be better served starting in shelters, libraries and food banks. Instead of paying for overpriced workshops.
@thisutuber5 жыл бұрын
..while remaining aware that many predators lurk in those orbits too . .
@geoffgriffiths33815 жыл бұрын
Women followed him out of ambition to be 'superior' to everyone else, which is a way of selling your soul. Otherwise they would have walked away when the branding iron came out, instead of regarding it as putting them in a special class of women. The time for gurus in the US was about 1970-80. After than, the cutting edge of higher human unfoldment moved on to higher and more subtle methods. If anyone had tried branding people then, it would not have taken on. The branding was done over the sacral chakra, the emotional centre, and breathing IN the pain was to deepen and intensify the pain/shock/trauma factor. Things become more gentle and subtle when conscious is raised, not more blatant and grotesque.
@Ninjajp2475 жыл бұрын
Uber libs
@kristinacarpenter25555 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@thekittykarate5 жыл бұрын
@Jake Dean Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I didn't say that the people to seek out in volunteer organizations was those being served there. I said that the people who volunteer would be a better model to take after if you are interested in being a kind-hearted person who actually helps society. Probably filled with more people who would be more trustworthy than those you find at over-priced, feel good seminars and you would probably find more useful lessons too.
@robbiefrye72074 жыл бұрын
I was currently enrolled in a community college in Long Beach, CA. Allison Mack was one of my classmates in a sociology course and I literally had NEVER knew anything about this story AT ALL. Surprisingly, cults and trafficking was never a topic that was discussed in the class. Me and Allison became good friends and all of our classmates knew of us to sit together everyday and make jokes about the professor and be sort of loud and obnoxious. She was the sweetest most down to earth person I had ever met. But in the back of my mind I always found it a bit odd that any time she’d converse with me...she’d give me compliments and try to engage in conversation with me as if she was trying to get me to be vulnerable. She also never showed up for any of the exams, yet she showed up for every other class. I read about this story 3 months after the course ended and I was completely blown away because I had no idea this lady existed before this class started. I also came to the conclusion that her way of connecting to me was all apart of her recruiting tactics and I have never felt more unsafe than I do now. This is just to say to anyone who finds this story or finds themselves in a similar situation, pay attention to your surroundings and don’t get too close to people, you literally never know who you’re talking to.
@user-bw6pt9dy6f3 жыл бұрын
u think she joined the class trying to recruit?
@MoBahar6872 жыл бұрын
@@user-bw6pt9dy6f lol thats what i was thinking.
@sockmonkeyjg2 жыл бұрын
id heard she attended class after leaving nxim and was then kicked out of class because they didnt feel comfortable... i dont think she was recruiting you i think she might have just wanted a friend
@catspaw30922 жыл бұрын
Sounds like she was undercover when you said she never showed up for any exams & was trying to get you to open up to her she was looking for recruits but she was selective about who she chose.
@davem71732 жыл бұрын
you probably weren't hot enough to be recruited
@renoloverxoxo5 жыл бұрын
"He once worked for Amway" ok everything makes sense now.
@randyrysdale8525 жыл бұрын
yeah, that says a lot from the start
@jaymcmullen93945 жыл бұрын
A coworker asked too make a sales pitch to me and my wife. I was young and sure but only if it isn’t Amway! He said no. I said how long will the presentation be 45-60 minutes. I said perfect I have too leave at a certain time. I gave him a start time. He makes his presentation and 1/4 way through I figure out it is Amway operation just name change. I took him by the collar and opened the door. He never spoke to me again and I was fine with that. Every time I saw him I saw myself shaking his head like marques.
@leeannalynx48905 жыл бұрын
renoloverxoxo yesss
@Queenie-the-genie5 жыл бұрын
Amway owned by DeVos family.
@mrupsingod5 жыл бұрын
Everyone i ever met that worked for Amway was Always borderline narcissistic!!!
@MsBlueRyan5 жыл бұрын
He's not brilliant...he's a dirty old narcissist with a criminal bent who chose to exploit women. He needs to stay in prison and not get out.
@lynnlynn91245 жыл бұрын
He barely passed his regular classes at a technical college, and had a C average. NYT said his claims of Guiness listing him as the smartest person in the world, were also BS. He didn't even make a US top 10 list. The IQ test was probably an online, 10 question, 'Where's Waldo' quiz, if that. There are no actual records of him having anything but basic schooling. Wouldn't an insanely smart person graduate early, or skip grades if speaking and reading at an extremely advanced level? He barely seems to understand any of the polysyllabic words he spewed, in hopes of impressing young, ignorant girls.
@lisamcdonald28775 жыл бұрын
@@lynnlynn9124 Love it! The ones who tout their own brilliance are seldom, if ever, brilliant.
@4G125 жыл бұрын
@@lisamcdonald2877 Notice how proven Mensa level geniuses like Einstein and Stephen Hawking never called themselves geniuses.
@jaakkooksa53745 жыл бұрын
4G12 According to Albrecht Fölsing's Einstein biography Einstein was an exceedingly modest person who never aggrandized himself. However he knew his worth and made exorbitant wage demands, which the universities usually agreed to pay.
@jaakkooksa53745 жыл бұрын
MsBlueRyan If he was able to charm women, who were consenting adults with full mental faculties, and they offered themselves to him, why should that be a crime on his part? If fooling morons is a crime, then every religious leader should be in jail.
@darrenwillett85365 жыл бұрын
One of the creepy parts of this story is that the female doctor who did the actual branding is still practicing and at-large,
@mirandabisnou13075 жыл бұрын
That's in SANE!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS WILL END. I WANT TO SEE ##EMILIANOSALINAS IN JAIL!! HE'S WAS K. RENIERI RIGHT HAND MAN IN MEXICO!!! SALINAS IS THE SON OF FORMER MEXICAN PRESIDENT CARLOS SALINAS.... A BLOODY PRESIDENT HE WAS!!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!
@honeybabou61195 жыл бұрын
In a tattoo parlour?
@jspaingreene63504 жыл бұрын
@M B I hope that's true. She should never practice again. I even question her being able to do volunteer medical work given the extreme sadism of her acts.
@fortnumglobal4 жыл бұрын
Darren Willett Amazing what money does. She probably has paid someone to back off. Vicious cycles everywhere.
@sharontarin13104 жыл бұрын
I'm horrified!! I hope her name was publicised
@ckom00074 жыл бұрын
He’ll soon be experiencing “personal growth” from a new perspective in prison.
@carolesanchez93134 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@Mercurychyld13 жыл бұрын
True enough 😂🤣😄
@themoonsharksquirrel89373 жыл бұрын
Ew. But 🤣🤣🤣.
@mew105213 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha ha ha
@stjohnssoup2 жыл бұрын
I hope so
@ashleym37913 жыл бұрын
It's not "alleged" he was just sentenced for over 100 years!!!
@themoonsharksquirrel89373 жыл бұрын
They made this a couple of years ago. They didnt know. Glad that guy got plenty of jail time.
@orangewarm13 жыл бұрын
this was made two years ago
@themoonsharksquirrel89373 жыл бұрын
@Lee 1227 yup.
@ashleym37913 жыл бұрын
@Edipus T Rexx thank you
@DEADisBEAUTIFUL3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am glad he’s gotten as much time behind bars as he did. Let’s just hope he doesn’t end up with a new DOS program. Well, if he’s in jail, it’d need to be named something like DUDES instead of DOS!!!
@SuzeeBeeCA5 жыл бұрын
Sociopaths and Psychopaths can score high on IQ tests. That doesn't mean they are fit to be leaders or score high in other areas of human intelligence and consciousness. I watched several of Keith's interviews where he was supposedly sharing his "genius." He said absolutely NOTHING. He seems to use a lot of circular logic and is clever at playing to people's insecurities and low self esteem. So when something he says actually doesn't make sense (and I saw the quizzical looks in every interviewee's eyes) they assume it's because he's a "genius" and the information is just over their heads. Honestly I was rolling my eyes at everything he said. Total garbage. But then my narcissist meter is especially sensitive. lol
@ebogar425 жыл бұрын
we can be leaders too. I coached my sons team and all the kids loved me except the one kid who thought he was going to do what he wanted and not run plays. We won the championship too. I was always the leader on my teams growing up too since I was the best player the majority of the time.
@SuzeeBeeCA5 жыл бұрын
So you're saying you're a sociopath or a psychopath with a high IQ who can also coach his son's team? lol I'm thinking you didn't exactly understand what I wrote. But nice to know your sons team did very well. Congrats!
@ebogar425 жыл бұрын
From what I got it just seems like you don't think sociopaths are capable of doing the same things as "normal" people. Like we're missing something. I'm sure some are. They are more than just sociopaths in my opinion. They have other issues too. Or some are just psychopaths who feel no empathy ever, so it's easier for them to commit crimes and not care about hurting anyone.
@TheMusachioedBrony5 жыл бұрын
Eric Bogar So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. If you are so self enlightened, do think it is possible to work on yourself and change-for the good? Because as someone who was very miserably married to a narcissistic sociopath, it was a living hell.
@Kabullo765 жыл бұрын
So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. Wrong, im exactly like him, dont worry i dont need to change , im no married :D
@witchesbane98075 жыл бұрын
Did CBC forget to mention the child trafficking charges against NXIVM again?
@xtina2865 жыл бұрын
Evil!
@supermax82895 жыл бұрын
He specifically says Allison Mack was
@deaniemack5 жыл бұрын
Witches Bane Covering their pedo trafficking by exposing just this aspect of the cult. divert attention away from child trafficking by shocking us with harem admissions. Slick
@truthfullyfreedomofspeech90165 жыл бұрын
564markis almost all donated to Democrats specifically Killery Clinton
@mamamarianovits90295 жыл бұрын
Witches Bane ...hmm, apparently so.
@michaeljulian49973 жыл бұрын
I just watched the 8 hour documentary on this subject. You explained more in 20 minutes than they did in 8 boring hours. Thank you!
@quleughy2 жыл бұрын
The Seduced documentary is better. It’s also better than this 20 minute rundown, although it’s shorter.
@marie_842 жыл бұрын
@@quleughy Which one? Link maybe? Plz...😚🙏🤝
@Squidink09 Жыл бұрын
Link?
@Bailemos888 Жыл бұрын
good to know
@socorropolina52745 жыл бұрын
Pure manipulation! Just like Scientology!
@LenRenBen5 жыл бұрын
Just because he used a MLM platform doesn't mean all MLM businesses are schemes or evil.
@nomdeplume22135 жыл бұрын
Just like Christianity and all religion
@morokeiboethia67494 жыл бұрын
Scientology was literally based off of occultism/Satanism. He gave it the name "scientology" to conceal that fact. L Ron Hubbard's son said that in an interview and that interview is on KZbin.
@mrwhite10734 жыл бұрын
@@nomdeplume2213 well said
@ceemac56563 жыл бұрын
Just like Pimpology!
@grewntd5 жыл бұрын
People that constantly smile without an apparent reason seem disingenuous to me
@jxsilicon95 жыл бұрын
They're insane or on drugs.
@DaDunge5 жыл бұрын
Then I guess I would seem disingenuous to you. I like smiling it makes me feel happier.
@abelmcguire62525 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel there are two ways to smile that say what this guy is referring to and then what others feel like is there personal pure joy! The former being, showing a big teeth smile that never changes and the later oscillates with simply being human as emotions change.
@DaDunge5 жыл бұрын
@@abelmcguire6252 I would say there are hundreds of different ways to smile. I usually have a slight smile with no teeth on my face simply because if I don't it looks like I'm angry.
@cmrpeach34705 жыл бұрын
I agree.. It's the same ick factor that occurs when someone intentionally uses your name in conversation. In particular when someone isn't that close to you and intentionally engages in a manner that is too familiar. It's sleaze detection #101
@Bmthbabe235 жыл бұрын
quit saying he is brilliant....and glorifying this crap
@emqueen4185 жыл бұрын
People that don't believe in this stuff that you are trying to wake up aren't going to listen unless you come off soft like this. It's sad.
@notchmusic47585 жыл бұрын
He knows how to manipulate would be enough
@inigomontoya685 жыл бұрын
many serial killers / psycopaths / sociapaths have high IQs &/or are charismatic - IMO they arent saying he was 'brilliant' (thats your word/impression) - they are just acknowledging certain facts about him that caused this eg he had a very high IQ, was very charismatic & was a successful business man - doesnt make him any less of a 'monster' - it actually makes him worse than your average sociopath as he was probably very aware of what he was doing
@Nik-ko9eq5 жыл бұрын
Exactly as John Foy pointed out, he is indeed brilliant. But he didn't use his brilliance for good. Many people who have done horrible things are extremely intelligent.
@Tanek7115 жыл бұрын
He did get three degrees from RPI. My theory is that he is collecting women for post-apocalyptic repopulation efforts.
@samwindmill82645 жыл бұрын
DOS stands for "Dominus Obsequious Sororium", which is apparently Latin for "Master over Slave Women". "Self empowerment group", eh?
@candacecasey56344 жыл бұрын
Not exactly
@handpanhenry21394 жыл бұрын
Whoa
@kristiblack47894 жыл бұрын
I be-lie-ve it was the Roman Catholic Empire that started that "'Master over Slave" Caste Beast System! They sure were sick and sadistic and Democide was their favorite Sport and Control Mechanism! Obviously nothing has changed in the 21st Century!
@replynotificationsdisabled4 жыл бұрын
And lol reps lingerie over leggings
@mntlhlthaddtnstilltrying3 жыл бұрын
That's not quite the translation. I think they made a mistake
@rayahlightchannel5 жыл бұрын
Shortly after leaving the Berkshires last year I received a message from a poet I met out there telling me that a couple of the women I had hung out with during my time there were associated with this organization. It totally tripped me out because I was feeling very isolated despite having a great job and was getting a lot of spirited invites from these women. Something told me not to involve my self too deeply, tho. I'm grateful for divine guidance and a healthy intuition.
@91clarie2 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! I'm so happy you didn't get involved in this! Bless your heart & intuition 🙏🏻💕
@MrOvertSandStorm Жыл бұрын
What is divine guidance?
@Pipers_hooman5 жыл бұрын
Did he take a Facebook quiz IQ test? I was a genius on there as well and I'm noooott even close. 😂😂🤣🤣
@maxali73075 жыл бұрын
Denise Hopper lol I got a score of 150 I’m a genius I’m gonna start a cult too
@slaws22794 жыл бұрын
Me too. Damn it, I thought I was special. 😂
@thaiselizabethh4 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😅
@soninChina3 жыл бұрын
That’s too funny 😂
@lynxminx43 жыл бұрын
He took the Mega Society entrance exam, which is a highly controversial gauge. Mega Society insists their 48-question exam, taken by a few hundred people a year, can determine whether your intelligence is in the top .0001% of humanity. Anyone who understands probability or statistics or both understands this claim has not been established, and almost certainly can't be true. The smartest humans on earth recognize these tests are garbage and don't waste their time on them.
@avamasquerade5 жыл бұрын
How is anyone "captivated" by such an obviously dull man?? 😪
@iv77965 жыл бұрын
acid?
@pornstarlivesmatter33194 жыл бұрын
low self esteem
@Tommykey073 жыл бұрын
He seems to come across like some vaguely hippyish college philosophy professor
@danaprovenzano39613 жыл бұрын
He has such a crazy , weird look in his eyes when he speaks with people. Not to mention 90 percent of his ideologies made NO sense intuitively . He wasn’t even wise . As I watched the docu, I was like what? How are people falling for his “wisdom and genius”. The only thing genius about him was his manipulation skill and ability to lure people into his trap
@Tommykey073 жыл бұрын
@@danaprovenzano3961 don't forget, it wasn't just him. There was also Nancy Salzman doing a lot of the public work. It is sad that these people didn't do their research into Consumers Buyline before committing to Nxivm.
@jus10855 жыл бұрын
How can you be enlightened when your ego is bigger than the titanic?
@69LOLIN5 жыл бұрын
Good question! ✔
@missj72625 жыл бұрын
1337S0lja it's a Personality Disorder the DSM calls Narcissistic Personality Disorder...HIGH on the spectrum lol. Not funny, disturbing...
@limeseacheck27405 жыл бұрын
'I am no longer I but a hollow tube to bring fire down from heaven''. The question is good cuz you either have to remove the conscious I, the ego, to become one with the whole set- setting- natural relation to life but on the other side, it is all about the conscious I that wants this. Which one is it? - To lose your ego like some guru or in a monastery or try to make your Ego = to the spirit of nature?
@ericagross60784 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@dirkdiggler22184 жыл бұрын
I think he just reached a point where his ego became so big he was too close to actually see its size
@Michilar2 жыл бұрын
I am continually amazed the great efforts that guys will make on behalf of getting off. If all that energy went into doing something more constructive, this world might be a better place.
@holyfox942 жыл бұрын
It’s probably more about power. Power about women, in this case.
@MsMichigan2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@jaana9442 жыл бұрын
Well said!!
@catseye1009 Жыл бұрын
I agree with another response, that is, this case is about power. We see it everyday, however society has a great ability to compartmentalize and justify the actions of one group while recognizing the horrors of groups using the same manipulations. Look at our current political atmosphere and groups gaining traction like Q’anon. Are we capable of intellectual honesty when we are motivated by fears or things we do not understand?
@lollou865 жыл бұрын
Hes a mix between David Mcsavage and R. Kelly with the potential to go full blown Jim Jones...... that's scary!
@anneblubaugh585 жыл бұрын
No doubt
@ritagardner81205 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Charles Manson
5 жыл бұрын
Jin Jones was an intelligent man..but not real smart.
@moemawri14075 жыл бұрын
Well said
@MicahGilmorethekoopaking5 жыл бұрын
Very good analogy!
@esthermercer6485 жыл бұрын
His indictment included child abuse charges, why no mention of this?
@PICARDY6105 жыл бұрын
Because this article is being reported by the MEDIA
@DouglasIII3685 жыл бұрын
Where does it say about child abuse?
@DouglasIII3685 жыл бұрын
@@Aggrobiscuit I look at the warrant it doesn't mention that. Go check it and hyperlink me the source.
@Sarah-eh7bw4 жыл бұрын
Probably because it’s a sensitive topic, especially since this doc was made when the charges were still in court.
@mikalin92863 жыл бұрын
They made videos on this topic after this one
@jackthompson3915 жыл бұрын
I guarantee he DOES NOT have a 240 IQ. Why am I right and he's wrong? He is sitting in jail and I am not.
@MrBrownstone88815 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying that he has a high IQ... but just because he's in jail and you're not doesn't mean he isn't a genius. Ego can take over intellect in a heart beat. Maybe he got over-confident and didn't think he was going to be caught for anything.... then "voila".... now he's sitting in jail.
@faith-hope-love1corinthian4865 жыл бұрын
Jack Thompson: IQ has nothing to do with wisdom / wise life choices. One can have a low IQ and still possess the wisdom and integrity to stay out of jail (barring being framed). One can be brilliant and have minimal moral character.
@gold88fish885 жыл бұрын
Yup. An intelligent person knows their limits. Stupidity breeds greed to the point of self sabotage.
@missmoxie91884 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@mrmills09144 жыл бұрын
Technically even if he did have an IQ of 240 he doesnt now because the older you get, generally the lower your iq is being that age is the denominator in the equation
@JustMeELC3 жыл бұрын
He deserved every one of the 120 years he got when you hear the real/whole story!
@nicodabastard5 жыл бұрын
It sounds like he was exactly like the Scientology and the Mormon guy I guess the only difference is that this dude got caught.
@azadalamiq5 жыл бұрын
the mormon dude got caught, just some how (sorta) runs it from jail.
@lorielizabethwade75055 жыл бұрын
There is no REAL "Mormon" dude running things from jail. That guy you're referring to is a cult leader. He has absolutely nothing to do with the over 17 million people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's frustrating for me, a regular good person who knows better, to see people confuse my faith with a relatively small group of cultists living in a secret society in the middle of the desert. I feel sorry for any of the sincere people stuck out there and especially the poor children in that cult led by that guy in jail. (I hope they still don't follow him.) Peace.
@nicodabastard5 жыл бұрын
@@lorielizabethwade7505 you sincerely believe that a convicted con man found golden tablets that only he could see and read then he needed help to write down what was on the tablets because he could not write and read......... Seems legit
@DCM885 жыл бұрын
Lori Elizabeth Wade Mormonism is nothing but a generic Americanised christian cult.
@DCM885 жыл бұрын
Still an american "christian" cult and i agree. Abrahamic religions was the worse thing that could have happened to the Western Civilization. The greek Gods teach about our lives and destinies , how someone reaching for the warrior path was going to end up following a set of archetypes (like mars) how a charismatic politician was going to end or follow the steps of Jupiter,etc . The christian god is ambiguos and alien to true western culture.
@theEumenides5 жыл бұрын
That lawyer is so slimy...
@joeray78995 жыл бұрын
he’s just doing his job. A lawyer has an ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and put forward the best possible defense they can for their client. And that’s a good thing. Everyone, no matter what they’re accused of, has the right to a legal defense by competent attorney. That said, Keith Raniere is a monster and I’m sure Marc Agnifilo’s best efforts won’t keep him from getting what he rightly deserves: decades on federal prison. But Agnifilo isn’t being slimy, he’s doing what he’s supposed to do.
@RoyalReyna5 жыл бұрын
@@joeray7899 But he is being slimy, telling lies in the name of defending your client is wrong and slimy, not just giving him his best defense. And lawyers at his level choose their clients, and their price. He's in it for the money, not the justice of providing legal aide to an accused citizen. Doing wrong or illegal things for money is the definition of slimy.
@livingintheforest39634 жыл бұрын
Patrick Raymond too bad he is poor at defending his client... funny
@bigmaky82533 жыл бұрын
Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game. That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones. And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment. Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.
@NatureFantasy83 жыл бұрын
Sunk cost fallacy, exactly
@texasray52373 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The more you've already poured into the black hole, the more totally unacceptable the idea that it is a black hole becomes. You have to either keep believing the delusion or accept the crash of your entire worldview.
@Light-jc3fj3 жыл бұрын
It's basically the same as breaking away from a narcissistic family. Narcissistic personality disorder is way underestimated for it's cancerous effect on all of society.
@stj9712 жыл бұрын
Yes, family being a microcosm, I have a family member who is narcissistic and it created complete dysfunction and destruction.
@Light-jc3fj2 жыл бұрын
@@stj971 I understand completely. Healing prayers to you... it's no easy path to break away.. 🙏🌻
@Badm00nrRising2 жыл бұрын
Yep.......
@brynstarkiller74195 жыл бұрын
Its a lot like Scientology
@fiberinspiretahoe91775 жыл бұрын
He took Ron L Hubbard’s theory of ... create a religion and you will be rich.
@efolinsky5 жыл бұрын
He actually used part of scientology theory in creating nxvim theory
@estermalzahn78175 жыл бұрын
This was my first thought. He's a less successful L. Ron Hubbard.
@jrmerkle5 жыл бұрын
Sharon MarieB q
@dorianhernandez17445 жыл бұрын
Bryn Stuart Jones , the difference is that Scientology pays its bills to the right people, corrupted government. These people got caught for not paying bills thinking they were all covered.
@travelholicbutterfly5 жыл бұрын
And yeh Scientology still out there recruiting people.
@GrahamCStrouse5 жыл бұрын
Not as effectively as in the past, though. The thing about Scientology's target audience is that they're generally wealthy, well-connected people who CAN find a way out.
@hciapetus12515 жыл бұрын
Graham Strouse - and targeting hard working and/or desperate people who’d be willing to join their Sea Org (and prolly other groups within the cult) to carry out the jobs the wealthier members won’t do.
@vercoda99975 жыл бұрын
Graham Strouse You should check where they’ve opened a major new center in Dublin, in one of the city’s poorest, most socioeconomically deprived areas.
@PoppyL995 жыл бұрын
They've bought out essential parts of the cities in which they reside including the police departments so it doesnt shock me that they havent yet been prosecuted.
@esmeraldagreengate43544 жыл бұрын
@@vercoda9997 apparently they buy a lot of property but don't do anything with it to give the illusion that Scientology is still expanding.
@djryanashton3 жыл бұрын
I was in Scientology for many years. So many similarities between NXIVM and Scientology!
@holyfox942 жыл бұрын
It’s so interesting. North America seems to be a hot spot for cults. I wonder why? Too many empty & unhappy souls under the star spangled banner?
@sofiagonzalez31935 жыл бұрын
Hi, great content! I'm Mexican and I wanted to make a correction the big three Mexican muralist are Rivera, Orozco and Siqueiros. Not Frida Kahlo.
@carolesanchez93134 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MegaTriumph15 жыл бұрын
Why is nobody in jail.
@bdmc65835 жыл бұрын
Well, Raniere IS in jail
@erikkajuvonen80305 жыл бұрын
MegaTriumph1 Allison Mack has been arrested and I think her bail is a million..I'm not sure if she out yet..but I herd she totally throwing him under the bus.
@Grumpeljism5 жыл бұрын
There's bigger fish to fry, and its not Raniere.
@deestands4dorky5 жыл бұрын
@@erikkajuvonen8030 Allison Mack is out on bail but is on house arrest. She is currently living with her parents.
@sehvendusk66125 жыл бұрын
@Parasceve You sound like you fit right into this cult. Worthless worm.
@ryanjohnson57065 жыл бұрын
Dreadful. How does the lawyer sleep at night?
@garymunz13255 жыл бұрын
@James Black pills!
@caib7144 жыл бұрын
With tons of cash on his bed for defending his clients.
@milld93453 жыл бұрын
He’s the same type of person basically 😥
@missmoxie91884 жыл бұрын
My husband LOVES Superman and LOVED the show Smallville. So it was a real punch in the gut to find out about Allison Mack and her role in it
@bookingelke3 жыл бұрын
I don’t see where folks think that guy is charisma ..... he opens his mouth and talks about NOTHING!!!!
@vadeultramusic3 жыл бұрын
The true answer to your question is politically incorrect but there is a answer
@uzo98873 жыл бұрын
Also to a large degree these people should take responsibility and accountability for themselves for allowing them to become sheeple and being manipulated.
@uzo98873 жыл бұрын
@@vadeultramusic but at the same time these people are not helpless victims.
@Kerosene.Dreams5 жыл бұрын
I'm in the Nexium cult, I have horrific acid reflux.
@sdidora55 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry honey. R you ok?
@Kerosene.Dreams5 жыл бұрын
@@reflections4me Oh hun, you are such a beautiful human being for saying all of this. But, Nexium is a drug that I am prescribed for my acid reflux and I thought everyone knew about Nexium, as it has had so many commercials and is available over the counter, so I expected everyone to understand the joke. I'm sorry. You do lend more hope for humanity though, Blessed Be.
@Kerosene.Dreams5 жыл бұрын
@@sdidora5 Thank you, sweetheart. I do actually have horrific acid reflux, among the 20 or more chronic illness that I have and your concern is lovely. But yes, it is a joke because Nexium is what I take for it. I just thought everyone knew what Nexium was and that it was silly that a cult was named that. Blessed Be.
@mpemberton77605 жыл бұрын
Isis Blackfeather Funny! It's weird that NXIVM doesn't really have any meaning, like an acronym or an abbreviation for something, but it is pronounced "Nexium."
@Kerosene.Dreams5 жыл бұрын
@@mpemberton7760 Exactly.
@mickberry99915 жыл бұрын
It saddens me right to my heart to think and know that Allison did this.
Mick Berry she’s only your lover if you go out and get those recruits
@mickberry99915 жыл бұрын
@@rcalphonse2701 you sound jealous. 😍
@laamiroly3 жыл бұрын
WHY didn't anyone track his immediate family members down and talk to them?
@lambrosk37903 жыл бұрын
Right? Maybe they did.
@sbg19113 жыл бұрын
Oh good point.
@alias2013 жыл бұрын
They probably tried.
@lambrosk37903 жыл бұрын
Although, it was kind of odd listening to his parents distance themselves from him and explain his behavior simply by saying “we sat him down when he was little and told him he was very special.” And ever since he acted like he was better than everyone. ? They didn’t have any obligation to explain their son’s actions but then again they didn’t have to give an interview either. I looked all over but that was the only comment they ever made trying to rationalize his early behavior.
@packisbetter903 жыл бұрын
Probably embarrassed
@rangeorge850513 жыл бұрын
I watched "the Vow", every time he came on to preach his stuff, my reaction was always, what the eff is this guy talking about, and how could anyone fall for this
@Karim-ik5ij3 жыл бұрын
Just pure garbage out of his mouth. It comes to tell you ppl have a tough time differentiating between confidence and brilliance
@Lunamine5 жыл бұрын
I am just starting to discover Smallville for the first time and Chloe Sullivan is one of my fav character. I was shocked to know what Allison Mack has done in real life. She seemed innocent and pure. You really cannot judge a book by its cover.
@stj9712 жыл бұрын
It's called acting. Her and the rest of hollyweird
@fionappleisthebest5 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh, loved the work on this piece. Just wondering why the child molestation accusations weren’t discussed in the podcast with Keith’s lawyer? Can you speak to this?
@PureAmericanPatriot5 жыл бұрын
And why Kirsten Gilibrand and Hillary Clinton's connections to the group were not explored. Or why they didn't talk about NXIVM's hacking of MANY high profile executives and politicians. Yeah, really light on the real issues behind this story.
@realslimtone5 жыл бұрын
Alex jones would say CBC is part of the trade and want u to forget by erasing it and highlighting other sick crimes
@jamesjay19795 жыл бұрын
@@realslimtone because you read a photoshopped indictment
@jamesjay19795 жыл бұрын
@@PureAmericanPatriot because you read a photoshopped indictment
@TahtahmesDiary3 жыл бұрын
They updated with this info in a later video
@anitabrewer78344 жыл бұрын
This attorneys strategy is brilliant-syncing with Raniere’s contempt of victims while assuring the attorney gets paid. Paying lip service to a client has rarely been so costly. To the client.
@crysalis0.0675 жыл бұрын
I'll never be able to watch Smallville again after this.
@scarletthoxie55893 жыл бұрын
Hell no
@genevievegaspe5765 жыл бұрын
super genius selling Amway? really? give it a rest.this man is rotten I agree.
@ChataineDeirdre5 жыл бұрын
What he practiced was polygamy. Not polyamory.
@debrathornquist24655 жыл бұрын
I don't think love was involved in the polywhatever you call it.
@chrisrosenkreuz233 жыл бұрын
lmao that guy thinks he's enlightened when he is actually a sociopath
@elh71494 жыл бұрын
This story is awful and horrifyingly familiar. But I have to say that this journalist is fantastic. His voice is so nice and his tone is so calm while not detracting from the terrible things that he is describing. I was able to understand so well.
@jeffcooper47795 жыл бұрын
Pimp Mack was a brutal sadist
@MonirKhan-vt3ru3 жыл бұрын
Nancy salzman is also guilty and should be investigated.
@soninChina3 жыл бұрын
She angers me more than anything. Except for the Salzmans!! Ugh 🤦♀️
@scottjones92163 жыл бұрын
Allison is a talented , beautiful but troubled young lady . Don't kick her when she is down , don't dog her out .
@zachtrapper23985 жыл бұрын
6:32 "they can whisper questions in his ear" psst, what kinda sandwich u want for lunch?
@rachelray40405 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ruthking59944 жыл бұрын
He's charmless and says nothing whilst saying alot ..no genius
@househeadericmdhousehead91183 жыл бұрын
Could not have said it better.
@lynxminx43 жыл бұрын
His penchant for 'word salad' may have been a gaslighting tactic- he wants people to think they're not smart enough to understand him. He tried it on the NXIVM 9, and it's a lot less effective when your targets are coordinated with each other and agree you're speaking gibberish. After three days, sweating bullets, he gave up and told them he'd killed people in order to scare them silent.
@FT3S3 жыл бұрын
These double standards are shocking! She is just as guilty as the leader. 3 years is ridiculous.
@enricopallazzo32445 жыл бұрын
Stop calling her a slave. She had free reign to leave or, you know, not brand her initials on women at any time.
@emilytadlock16095 жыл бұрын
Please take the word "alleged" out of the title. This has been proven and is not alleged
@JessicahBMilien2 жыл бұрын
It's not hard to imagine with his lack of looks he got so many followers. It's not about A LOOK, it's about how you make someone feel.
@kathrynoneill58625 жыл бұрын
Wow i can't believe his lawyer is trying to play the sexiest card. He must be desperate.
@milld93453 жыл бұрын
His lawyer sounds just as misogynistic so it suits.
@jamessutter67004 жыл бұрын
Allison Mack is a Mini Maxwell, a Mini Ghislaine...
@soninChina3 жыл бұрын
Full on abuser...nothing mini about it. But I got your thinking!!
@kerry-annetraynor72823 жыл бұрын
While I don’t condone her behaviour and agree she should do jail time she must have been dreadfully brutalised too... this cannot be what she wanted for her life
@joshpritt5263 жыл бұрын
Not watching Smallville.
@gabriellsbaby5 жыл бұрын
Love the way Lawyers are trained to spin. Give me a break, these women were weak minded and allowed themselves to be controlled by this creep and this cult he designed. People are broken and needy that doesn't mean this man had a right to exploit that in the name of helping them. How many times have we seen this scenario? We all have the potential to be vulnerable to these kinds of people. Humans, we must evolve past this.
@dwarvengamesmith97265 жыл бұрын
To be fair that's the description of every religion. Most Christian churches for instance state you should make a donation of 10% of your income. You're not forced to but it is heavily suggested that you make offerings
@DavidSaintloth5 жыл бұрын
^^^ Exactly. It's exactly using the methods and tools of religious inculcation. Telling you that you are lost because you exist. Providing justification that what you've done makes you dirty and needing of cleansing. Showing you the "one true" answer to your dirtiness. Claiming that you must give (tithes...etc) to get the answer to wash you of your dirtiness. Claiming that if you don't give you will be cast out into the dirt. I'm all about separation of church and state but state needs to do a much better job of explaining why anything "church" is absolute nonsense.
@DavidSaintloth5 жыл бұрын
That said, the differences are in this case the sermon is one where this white male makes himself a God and claims to these women that he would take care of them should they give themselves exclusively to his divine touch. He's affluent, he has the ability to support them .... check. For a host of women this is enough .....just this! Entire cultures are built around Men literally buying women from their families ....hell others are built around literally selling their daughters to affluent males....why is it surprising that there are many woman out there who would accept this situation? This does NOT absolve him of responsibility for being a predator IF he lied to these woman about what he was doing but if he didn't lie to them? Well that's on those women....they don't need to share themselves with one Man when they could find a Man of their own to take care of them....they chose to be a part of his Harem knowing it was so....it's illogical to fault him for their choice in this regard IF it is true that they chose this willingly and given that so few of these women are coming out to claim abuse it tells us a lot about the sway that the ability to protect and support enables Man to wield over women. Misogyny will truly end only when Men can get pregnant unawares from their interactions with women.
@sierrasouthwell92375 жыл бұрын
@@DavidSaintloth From what I've read, they're recruited with the promise of women supporting other high powered women. Once recruited, they're put through what probably comes off as just a bit of hazing and being used as an go-fer. Then, to advance, they're asked to hand over some "collateral," or potentially ruinous material that can later be used as blackmail. Only once these women have staked their identity and future in this organization are they (forcibly) branded and told what the whole thing is actually about. It's similar to Scientology where you have to spend thousands of dollars and show an incredible commitment for the truth to be "revealed" to you. By the time you find out that your cult is based on a poorly contrived sci-fi plot featuring Xenu the evil alien overlord, you've already invested year upon years and the monetary equivalent of a large house. At that point, it feels like you're too far in it to leave.
@sarahk81295 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the story of Charlie Manson and the Manson Family! 😂😂😂 cult like! Maybe better optics and marketing!
@thaiselizabethh4 жыл бұрын
I Was Gonna say the same thing😀 So Obvious..I can see rgt through him..Hes so transparent💯👈💯👈
@rebeccagable96295 жыл бұрын
I think he was just convicted. What a sick & evil person.
@joeturton80193 жыл бұрын
Raniere’s GPA upon graduation from RPI was 2.26, hardly “genius” level. His genius was in manipulation of mostly flawed people.
@shizumaakiyama31295 жыл бұрын
I Live In Albany, Let me Tell You That place always gave me the creeps. I always felt that place was a cult but most people from Albany Didnt really knew it was that bad.
@kathleen78495 жыл бұрын
It blows my mind that these women just went along with this like they had no control over themselves.
@jadeitehaywood23833 жыл бұрын
Me too, they give a new meaning to Educated Fools and they have no morals whatsoever. They sold their souls, for a chance to make worthless money
@scarletthoxie55893 жыл бұрын
Yeah and he is not even attractive at all! I couldn't even kiss him...GAG
@marcchapleau83435 жыл бұрын
The beautiful Allison mack always made my heart melt. her smile is irresistible. She's bubbly and adorable. When i heard about that mess i was in shock. I am very sad for what's going on now with her. I am sad for all the victims and i cannot imagine Allison in prison for years. :(
@carolesanchez93134 жыл бұрын
And I cannot imagine what she put so many through either. :-( Being bubbly and adorable was her best role ever.
@soninChina3 жыл бұрын
She is very personable. I can see the attraction. Beautiful smile. But man she had an empty soul. I pity her. But still want her locked up. At some point we all know when we’re doing wrong. She’s so broken.
@deestands4dorky5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reporting on this story. I haven't heard much about it since they were both arrested. So thank you for keeping the public educated. What's truly scary is the lawyer's spin on everything. Do you know when the trial will start?
@andyd63385 жыл бұрын
A lawyers job is to take an angle, it's not "scary".
@deestands4dorky5 жыл бұрын
@@andyd6338 That is my emotional response to his angle.
@linerud91115 жыл бұрын
I don't care how brilliant a sociopath is. I'd much rather have emotional intelligence, and feel emotional highs and lows. Sociopaths tend to thrill seek to the point of danger and destruction of themselves and everyone around them just to feel anything at all. They can't relate to people emotionally, so they've learned to observe and mimic others to try to "fit in". They can be very charming, and will try to impress and relate to you on a superficial level. They believe that they are better than everyone else, because that is easier than just being different, and in their minds it justifies their perception that everyone around them are mere pawns that they can control. One of the first signs that a person is a sociopath is to watch their eyes. Their face may be expressive, but their eyes will be emotionless. Then ask them something that should elicit an emotional response while rendering yourself emotionless. They will not know how to react, but will tell you what they think you want to hear. I have met and worked with some sociopaths in my time, it is best to keep them at a distance and don't give them any personal information, or they may use it to their advantage.
@kwixotic2 жыл бұрын
That’s Trump in a nutshell.
@jaclyncarney32443 жыл бұрын
amazing that, once she coped a plea, poor Allison Mack suddenly becomes the innocent victim who's strength we should applaud. Prior to her plea agreement the US Government Identified Mack and CBS and all the other major media outlets were happy to do same, as the second in command at DOS. Apparently all it takes for some privledged individuals to have their entire image turned around in the media is some tears in court, the "I'm just a victim" plea and a "It was all his fault" statement. I mean her tears and her court preformence had be to 100% genuine right? I mean its not like she's a trained and experience actress, right?
@sabrinatscha25542 жыл бұрын
Yeah she needs to go to prison
@Nehasupnfan Жыл бұрын
I'm disappointed with her sentence. I understand she squealed like a pig and gave some vital information to prosecutors (and I also happen to love her as an actress) but she should have gotten 10-15 years at least for what she did. She traumatized so many people. The plea deal angle is just misused by people.
@marleneg77945 жыл бұрын
Wasn't smart enough not to get caught..now was he?
@Christinar6265 жыл бұрын
I honestly recommend watching Philip Defrancos video on NXIVM because this guy is really sugarcoating it. Phil actually gets into all the horrifying details that went on
@renadamTWELVE5 жыл бұрын
Link?
@deniseflorence3815 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm watching them now.
@kdub03254 жыл бұрын
STOP SAYING "ALLEGEDLY" WHEN THE PROOF IS THERE!
@JWS19685 жыл бұрын
"What kind of person needs a constant validation for themselves" Aren't they just called Celebrities?
@Bootmahoy883 жыл бұрын
A prime characteristic of a narcissist is the need for constant validation and attention from everyone around.
@SolaGratia.5 жыл бұрын
Wait.. "Want to be branded"?? No, babe. These women were not joining knowing they were going to go through a branding ceremony and become slaves to some egomaniac. But hey, if you're implying that the male frats that are getting branded are doing it to be slaves to a woman, I'd be more than happy to hear that story. 🤨
@ijvo19515 жыл бұрын
As a woman who has been scarred from accidents and surgeries, I would never in my right mind voluntarily be scarred like that.
@savannahjunemann92734 жыл бұрын
I read Sarah's book and she was told by Lauren, her best friend in NXIVM, that it would be a tattoo the size of a dime. She apparently didn't know until the ceremony.
@bigospig5 жыл бұрын
Raniere is the David Koresh to rich people.
@suntemple31215 жыл бұрын
NXIVM I have never heard of this organization or the founder of it, thank you for this history lesson all the best. 8/14/2019
@jeanneeber5 жыл бұрын
1st sign of a Predatory type. Love bombing.
@crowsister14 жыл бұрын
JW's
@joshuapatrick6823 жыл бұрын
Jared Leto puts on 40 pounds and plays him in the biopic.
@ClichéGuevara-28143 жыл бұрын
..or in real life. My jury's still out on that guy. 30 Seconds to Meh
@SkoomaCat3 жыл бұрын
@@ClichéGuevara-2814 he's a big meh
@jam4063 жыл бұрын
Jared Leto would be a great choice, he’s already got lots of experience in forming cults
@crazycatladyjo26883 жыл бұрын
@@jam406 True that.
@suzifloren60903 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the truth in reporting. This warns people and saves lives. bless you.
@ashchase83404 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to know why she wasnt with the Cast at the Comic cons and others, now I know why. Sad that she choose to live her life this way
@blaneyblogs1725 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Well done.
5 жыл бұрын
They were all victims of their desperation to be part of something that's going to be the next great movement, the leader the followers they all fed off of eachother & their desperate needs
@edd_45484 жыл бұрын
I agree. I don't see them as "victims" but as willing participants. It's like people that invested money in the Bernie Madoff scheme.
@Treebard3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like QAnon.
@crand200333 жыл бұрын
Keith Raniere did what Charlie Manson did all over again.
@midnightdew3 жыл бұрын
Osho is their inspiration.even the place...oregon.ewh.
@redwoods73703 жыл бұрын
The stress placed on being "ethical" in NXIVM is completely laughable. Also, women's self-empowerment and the slave/master model are obviously mutually exclusive. How could any woman on this planet who wants to be self-empowered agree to that? Really sad.
@jayjaychadoy9226 Жыл бұрын
They were brainwashed!
@avamasquerade5 жыл бұрын
Also, can we please start discussing how cult leaders often drug their potential recruits without the recruit's knowledge to induce "spiritual experiences" during recruitment? And also likely as a group activity to reinforce the supposed "mysticism" of the ideology and leader. I just don't understand why this isn't discussed, it seems so mind blowingly obvious to me.
@fendajamma3 жыл бұрын
You look great! How’d you like to join my club?
@Enzorgullochapin5 жыл бұрын
You can find a lot of information in the vanity fair's article: The Heiresses and the Cult: Seagram heiresses Sara and Clare Bronfman
@AdultThirdCultureKid19715 жыл бұрын
3331CUR4ntSaturnVI E. Javier Their father is a big supporter of "Israel".
@derekruairc334 Жыл бұрын
I met Keith at a "wheelbarrow-party" back in the day. He was a brilliant conversationalist. I was hanging on every word. he knew stuff. Knew the Lama. You were basically bowled over by his phenomenal personality and he, even then, could make you feel like you wanted him, like he was The Man. The 5 minutes i spent with him was like a complex universe of mind-expansion into his imagination. We parted and I never saw him again. I forgot about him. Till now. How lucky I was not to be in his cult. Greta Bollth told me he could make his smile jump into your face. I don't know what that means. I don't want to find out.
@sandraluis85315 жыл бұрын
This gives me Charles Manson vibes I think that was his name.
@jayblack74954 жыл бұрын
He makes people feel like they're the only person in the room... 🤔 Especially when he locks the door after everyone leaves and they realize they're the only other person in the room...
@RicherPickle5 жыл бұрын
2-words: MK-Ultra or Mind 'Kontrol'
@integrityisnotforsale15315 жыл бұрын
The word “child” in relation to trafficking or abuse is noticeably absent, yet it’s in the charges.....?
@nastaran84185 жыл бұрын
Couldn't he use his genius on something helpful and useful and be powerful if he wanted
@jaymason4804 жыл бұрын
He's not smart enough to stay out of jail
@donnacacciola17045 жыл бұрын
smartest man in the world...is not smart enough to stay out of prison
@msxmurda23852 жыл бұрын
If NXIVM was as structured as Scientology, Keith would have been just fine and thriving right now.
@etboyd044 жыл бұрын
Everyone talks about Allison Mack like she’s supposed to be famous, but honestly I had never heard of her before this scandal broke. Some actress 🙄
@itkojecockot4 жыл бұрын
she's not that famous, but Smallville was quite famous...... loved that show
@rukiaiceprincess63694 жыл бұрын
Just because you don’t know who she was doesn’t mean others didn’t. Get over yourself. You’re a douche bag. 🙄
@etboyd044 жыл бұрын
Wendy Thomas you sound like you’re from NXIVM. Good luck making up for all of the damage that you’ve done to this world you psycho.
@etboyd044 жыл бұрын
Wendy Thomas also I put an irreversible curse on you and your kids ahahhahahahaah
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@slaws22794 жыл бұрын
Your mother’s basement.
@robertaboulton8325 жыл бұрын
Crap reporting. The women were branded cruelly
@AdultThirdCultureKid19715 жыл бұрын
Roberta Boulton Agreed. India Oxenberg is among the women who were branded cruelly.
@jerrysizzler445 жыл бұрын
He said that and showed a photo..
@kevinpratt84763 жыл бұрын
I still would love to hear Allison’s side of the story because I think that’s what she felt for is his charisma and the fact that he listened and I think she felt vulnerable at that point because I think all she had was acting going on in her life at that particular point but I would still love to hear Allison Mack And hear her side of the story and hear if he treated her like he did all the others like what kind of dirt did he have on Allison?
@dravenhawktoland1127 Жыл бұрын
I believe that she was brain washed into. His cult just like the rest of the women. I think she was also a victim of Keith's. I do believe that he had dirt on her. He used it against her to get. Her to do what he said.