[Lyrics] For Every Life | RWBY Volume 8 Soundtrack

It's that time of year again! Please enjoy the singular lyric video I'll be putting up this time around, for the RWBY Volume 8 opening.
A very happy New Year to everyone! May 2022 be kicked off with some sweet tunes, friendship, and family, and be as good a year as the fates allow (hopefully, at least, a deal kinder than these past two).
The artwork is my own and for the curious, can be found on my Twitter: / 1476753043362361345

[@kristanapinan6088]

Volume 5: Triumph will be ours Volume 8: Our plans of triumph torn apart

[@TypicalGamerAnime]

Volume 9:Confusion Confusion and more Confusion

[@OrinyxRyder]

​@@TypicalGamerAnimeslightly more confusuon

[@platinumslash1740]

I wasn’t super into this song when I first heard it until she went “Some Roses will never bloom” that part hits different for me.

[@johandavila2045]

Why?

[@ZillaWitDaFade]

@@johandavila2045 probably because it’s has such emotional connotations

[@hicat398]

The part that hits me more is the "some heroes chose the worng side" that one is hard

[@Vassilinia]

Some lives will end much too soon. 😭😭

[@Krantzingoing]

I love the back and forth the lyrics, strained, smooth, strained, smooth... Much better than Trust Love or Triumph who are the same all along AND long so it lagger behind.

[@radboyrandom1976]

I just realized Something: "We said goodbye, to all the things we love" "Now it's time to say goodbye, to the things we love and the innocence of youth"

[@ModernAegis]

Yeah, even this banger isn't safe from nostalgia pandering.

[@threebee7842]

@@ModernAegis “nostalgia pandering” bro come on, song connections like between When It Falls and War aren’t ‘pAnDErING’, it’s like a leitmotif lyrically, when All Things Must Die played was it pandering for it to have the general motif that’s followed Cinder through the show?

[@ModernAegis]

@@threebee7842 Musical motifs can be experimented with. Lyrics can't- They always sound the same, you can't make them sound like something else, especially when you aren't even trying. For Every Life and All Things Must Die sound good, but that doesn't mean they didn't do that. The second verse is so much better than the first one because it actually tries to be unique rather than piggybacking off the rest of the franchise. Which is why I cannot stand Trust Love.

[@jcoolguy1548]

​@@ModernAegis it's just a call back dude. Shows do it

[@ModernAegis]

​@@jcoolguy1548 It's different with music. Especially when that music needs to tell a story.

[@animetomboy6]

I love how Jeff Williams sort of pays homage to all the other volumes in this one song, or at least he tries to get it all in there lyrically; though the story is not over yet, it's as if volume 8 could be viewed as a cultivation of what all the other volumes were building up to. And you can see most of them in the lyrics he writes: "We said goodbye, to all the things we loved" (Time To Say Goodbye, Volume 2) "We tried to rise" (Rising, Volume 6) "Defeat the hate through love; keep hope alive, trust our hearts" (Trust Love, Volume 7) "Our plans of triumph torn apart" (The Triumph, Volume 5) "Will this be the day?" (This Will Be The Day, Volume 1) I suppose every time the song mentions falling in some way could be a reference to both Volume 8 and Volume 3's "When It Falls" The only one I seem to not be able to find a specific lyric for that fits is Volume 4's theme "Let's Just Live". But yeah, I noticed this one time in listening to the song and thought it was cool and wanted to share!

[@raythepony]

Considering Jeff Williams has stepped down as the series composer, this song is a great sendoff for all his work.

[@SirZero14]

I love the message of this song. It's almost entirely depressing, giving off the impression there's no hope or chance for victory. Yet despite all that, it clear they haven't given up hope. The final line of the song makes it very clear no matter what is stands in their way, they will fight for what they believe in. A very powerful way to end this song.

[@eoneonaeon]

"but in the end there's only failure, only suffering" pretty much sums up the whole volume 8

[@Squeakybro]

Sums up my life actually

[@olserknam]

So, as far as I understand the coloring of the words in the final chorus: Roses will never bloom - Ruby Dream will rot on the vine - Vine (duh) Lives will end much too soon - Penny Evil will never ever die - Salem Heroes choose the wrong side - Ironwood

[@tmntfangirl6898]

Some wars will not end in peace- possibly Winter?

[@a-mellowtea]

@@tmntfangirl6898 You got it! Good eye ^^

[@deadlydealer8324]

If you think about it some heros will choose the wrong side also talks about emerald or mercury call me a hopeless fool but I still think there's still time for him to change sides too if he can get away from terian

[@nomizaai7699]

And may be “Risk the fall” is RWBY ;]

[@j.j.3866]

"Some roses will never bloom" IMO represent Summer Rose (about the discover of the Hybrid Grimm/Silver Eyed Warrior)

[@alyssanielsen8521]

This song hits so different after finishing the volume.

[@matthew_natividad]

Even before you know what’s coming

[@echiko4932]

Man this song is too real. Ik it's about a fictional show but sometimes heroes do choose the wrong side, wars never end in peace, and some evil seems to last forever. But we should still fight for every life.

[@watertyreis]

“We’ve failed to stop our on demise, the tragic ends before it arrives, hope has no place here”

[@ultron4724]

*our own demise, before our eyes

[@mitang7508]

@@ultron4724 Maybe the end we tried to avoid is already here....

[@BldyMoon]

​@@mitang7508 Maybe the end we tried to avoid is already here...

[@kanalight2898]

"Some heroes choose the wrong side" is played when Cinder appears I believe, which with her backstory makes sense that she choosen the wrong path thanks to the cruelest of her adoptive mother plus the betrayal of her mentor.

[@Outcastsage9033]

it's a nice theoy but "some heroes choose the wrong side" appears when team rwby falls due to the ice cracking, which might be a reference to how they chose to not enter the portal and stay in the evac central location area, and the next set of lyrics seem to reference since it's "sometimes it's worth it all to risk the fall and fight for every life" it's probably a reference to alot of different things, such as ironwood, team rwby's choice,cinder or mercury/emerald

[@jcoolguy1548]

That line aged well considering the current state of Ruby rn

[@hitgirltx2337]

Hearing the rest of this song honestly makes me scared for season nine. The first full half of that song became true, hearing the second verse and the following verses make me fear that more death is coming in the next season

[@cunningsmile4166]

It be comin' mon

[@jackpopo4673]

Who knows ... Their are heading to Vacuo ... Were their some known face like Sun, Neptune or Velvet and their respective team ... But maybe they all are going to die ... Maybe Jaune, Nora, and Ren are going to die or even Qrow .... Or maybe not ...

[@gazelle_diamond9768]

Honestly, as much as you fear this.... it might be the better ending because the alternative might be that the show will be cancelled after next season.

[@levimerck6181]

@@gazelle_diamond9768 it's already been re uped for up to season 11 now I belive or maybe it was it was the next couple for sure. And they do already know the ending how they want just gotta finish it out over time.

[@gazelle_diamond9768]

@@levimerck6181 What... what are you even talking about?

[@kamrondavis6019]

THIS HAS BEEN THE DAY WE'VE WAITED FOR!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@pauloleodrakon]

EXACTLY MAN!

[@huh5909]

Fr

[@cunningsmile4166]

Nice pun

[@lancoverse1051]

Nice joke.👍😎

[@venomm4563]

It's the day we've been afraid of

[@HobieBrown777]

This sounds like the amity arena leitmotif and during the Penny and Pyrrha / Merc and Ruby scene

[@moonpone2776]

It’s so interesting to hear ‘Strength is not victory’ HERE

[@sillygoose293]

the reference to volume one's intro!! "will this be the day"!!! made my heart happy

[@willherzog7796]

There are a bunch: Vol 2: "Now it's time to say goodbye to the things we loved and the innocence of youth" Vol 8: "We said goodbye to all the things we loved, gave up our lives just to find that it was not enough" Vol 2: "How the time seemed to fly from our carefree lives and the solitude and peace we always knew" Vol 8: "We leapt in faith, left our solitude, our carefree peace" Vol 6: "The rose will grow to be a seed, from every life another leads" Vol 8: "Some roses will never bloom, some dreams will rot on the vine" I got bored one day and tried to compile as many of those little references across the intro songs as I could. There are more than I originally thought.

[@zionnemakoma1398]

@@willherzog7796 V5: "The Triumph will be ours" V8: "Our plans of Triumph torn apart"

[@relativerelation]

its been 2 years and ive remembered rwby exists time to feel nostalgic

[@Elizabeth-go4kv]

I love how this one is a continuation from the last. Just another way they're connected. Trust love to having failed by trusting it

[@thaddeuskyle572]

Can we just talk about this as a song real quick? Like, fr, the lyrics and Casey’s vocals we all know already go hard, but the backing instruments are honestly some of the best in an intro we’ve had so far, imo. I hear that double kick drum, and it makes me feel good.

[@acesword9850]

The coloring of certain words to allude to the characters really added so much more to it for me!! Great job!😁

[@a-mellowtea]

Thank you! Nothing too out there or distracting, but I do like to be a little creative with my lyric videos sometimes.

[@Nova-_-]

@@a-mellowtea you did amazing

[@Dbee6421]

I like how most of the openings have little motifs of the past ones. Just makes thing feel more connected

[@maxinewhoo]

I was watching RWBY volume 7 with my best friend and finished it, I go on youtube and saw this and I started crying. I have been waiting for this for so long, and I'm so happy it's finally here. Thanks for the lyric video, I will know this entire song by morning EST (It's 1:50 AM).

[@therubennation8700]

Me and my Sister just started watching RWBY Volume 8 Last Night, I really like the opening Song but couldn't find the full one, but now I'm so happy the full song is out! Looking forward for the other songs in Volume 8 soundtrack.

[@PlatinumRwby]

They're all out now c:

[@LukaUrushibara]

"WE SAID GOODBYE" yep, another bomb episode waiting to be watched.

[@josephcola9662]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, IT'S FINALLY OUT!!!

[@aldemarquez6828]

Me too dude

[@huh5909]

@@aldemarquez6828 ^

[@fightmanx]

LESGETIT

[@amethystrose3480]

The best late Christmas present, and the greatest New Years surprise!

[@matthew_natividad]

Or birthday gift

[@amethystrose3480]

@@matthew_natividad fair enough

[@j-yoshi64_justcallmej]

0:17 The emotion in Casey's voice in "just to find" in the first verse is highly underrated.

[@swordsandroses]

This is the upgraded version of Volume 3: songs, animation, fights, and most especially TEARS.

[@dashi-musashi351]

Man, this one is just as hopeless sounding as Volume 3’s, if it wasn’t clear enough that V8 is a V3 2.0 already.

[@HighPriestFuneral]

I had wondered for a long time what 3 has in relation to 8 symbolically, but if you put 3 next to a mirror, it becomes an 8.

[@Apophis.004]

It'll just be like beacon again!

[@hi-viz]

@@HighPriestFuneral Well in the way 3 was more or less the show's Act 1 ending, 8 feels like the end of the second act

[@huh5909]

@@Apophis.004 just by Penny saying that, I knew shit was gonna go down

[@sillygoose2878]

THE SECOND VERSE HOLY SHIT ITS BEAUTIFUL

[@jakeblakeslee2154]

Has anyone seen volume 9 yet, I was awestruck and cried a little 😭😭

[@real_chichicherry123]

I did and just numb at this point, sufferings nonstop

[@Ruby-zl1sp]

Did you make "end" green on the last chorus to represent penny????? 😭

[@a-mellowtea]

Good catch! 😉

[@Ruby-zl1sp]

@@a-mellowtea you're clever but I was not ready 😭 I rlly love this lyric vid tho, you did so good on it

[@akabaneayato869]

This music fits perfectly in the history of making RWBY

[@Amamiya1022]

God bless Jeff and Casey!! Let's go... Happy New Year!!

[@TheGreat595]

Am I the only one thinking that 1:27 to 1:33 just seems a little rough? Like the two vocal tracks don't line up properly. I'm not sure what it is, but something about it just seems off.

[@a-mellowtea]

It's usually fairly clear where the original short opening cuts and the additional recording for the completed song starts, but this one is quite a bit more noticeable once you catch it.

[@SuKen1947]

It's finally the day we've been waiting for!!

[@deangeloramirez2207]

i love the volume 5 intro reference in this

[@A.C.E._12]

1:28 / 2:44 I'm just putting this here for myself so I can learn the words- but if it helps any of you guys that's great too!

[@CapnJigglypuff]

This'll be the day we've always feared!

[@TheArsenalRisen]

Holy hell! When did this drop?! Thank you for this!

[@justotherlinuxuser]

We remember you, Penny. :(

[@shatteredarling]

It's not out in my country so thank you for the upload!

[@mariobrothersfan2792]

*WOOOOOOOO!* YAH BABY! THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR! THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT! *WOOOOOOOO!*

[@gazelle_diamond9768]

This.... this song is not just about RWBY. It's about Rooster Teeth... Jeff Williams, you goddamn genius.

[@MilodicMellodi]

Finally, I was wondering what took them so long to release the songs!

[@kevinoconnor7193]

Family issue j believe

[@fretfultrout2788]

Jeff did a long tweet thing and said it was and immediate family member medical emergency so he took a break basically to help with that. Other than that everything is good

[@emilestorms2717]

@@fretfultrout2788 it completely understandable i think +I would not like to rush the guy

[@tntguardian6455]

Did anybody else notice the line "Strength's not victory", like a call back to a line in Divide at the end of Volume 3: "Strength will not bring victory" 👀

[@matthew_natividad]

How I’ve waited so long for this release 😤

[@tonnialinnen9995]

It's worth it he wait! I'm feeling happy listening to the song! 🎵🎶

[@Allthingsasian]

Oohhh so good! Pls do The Sky Is Falling with Oscar and Oz fanart since the song is from their perspective 💗

[@coreyaiou8]

I’m crying it’s out YES

[@MABfan11]

this song is so fucking badass

[@iceluvndiva21]

I still have hope despite what people say. Hope is never childish and I'm sick of people treating it like it is. We need hope otherwise we have nothing.

[@thegreatestnameever1415]

I may not like the show anymore, but the soundtrack be _grrrooooooooveeeeen!!_

[@hellman48]

I'm with you there my friend

[@NexusKirin]

Checked every week Knew deep down it was gonna drop Dec 31st Then it did and I was Trying not to screech(because it was like 1AM) 🗿👍

[@rainbowflaire]

Oh it was 4 am and I was practically screeching like a banshee because of how excited I am for this

[@ghostlyarrow724]

Volume 2: this fight is far from over Volume 8: this battle's near the end

[@RosileeJe]

New soundtrack hype!!!

[@Nova-_-]

Still hearing 'feared' AND 'dreamed' at the end of the bridge... 'feared' sung by Casey, 'dreamed' by the backing vocals (or maybe that's ALSO Casey? 🤔) This song is probably going to go down as one of the best songs in RWBY ever

[@sincerelykiwii]

Whenwherewhatwhereshatwhenwhatwhowhywhenwherewhat????? I got zero warning that the soundtrack was coming out today. Have I been that inactive????

[@maxinewhoo]

Same!!

[@libraeevee9467]

I was just scrolling through my recommendations when I saw one of the songs be recommended!

[@iminho1873]

The soundtrack was launch without warning. Just came out and gave us the better end of year possible

[@abangmuaz4542]

[Verse 1: Casey Lee Williams & Jeff Williams] We said goodbye To all the things we loved Gave up our lives Just to find that it was not enough (Not enough, not enough) We leapt in faith Left our solitude, our carefree peace What we thought would change the world Was just a childish dream [Pre-Chorus: Casey Lee Williams] We failed to stop our own demise The tragic end's before our eyes Hope has no place here Maybe the path that leads our way home will finally clear Maybe the end we tried to avoid is already here [Chorus: Casey Lee Williams] Some roses will never bloom Some dreams will rot on the vine Some lives will end much too soon Some evil will never, ever die Some wars will not end in peace Some heroes choose the wrong side Sometimes it's worth it all to risk the fall And fight for every life [Verse 2: Casey Lee Williams & Jeff Williams] We tried to rise Defeat the hate through love Keep hope alive Trust our hearts and somehow soar above (Soar above, soar above) We sacrificed Pledged our souls and gave up everything But in the end, there's only failure Only suffering [Pre-Chorus: Casey Lee Williams] Our plans of triumph torn apart An endless sea of broken hearts Strength's not victory All that remains, the end of the tale, is worse than we feared All that remains, collapsed in the void, drowning in tears [Chorus: Casey Lee Williams] Some roses will never bloom Some dreams will rot on the vine Some lives will end much too soon Some evil will never, ever die Some wars will not end in peace Some heroes choose the wrong side Sometimes it's worth it all to risk the fall and fight [Bridge: Casey Lee Williams] For everything we love For all we've ever known Maybe it's just fantasy A foolish goal we can't achieve This battle's near the end We're falling faster every day The path to victory fades away The finish drawing near Will this be the day That we've always feared? [Guitar Solo] [Chorus: Casey Lee Williams] Some roses will never bloom Some dreams will rot on the vine Some lives will end much too soon Some evil will never, ever die Some wars will not end in peace Some heroes choose the wrong side Sometimes it's worth it all to risk the fall And fight for every life

[@Ahoy123]

makasih bang, muahh

[@genshinfan117]

I don’t care what anyone says KH3 was pretty amazing from the visuals to the story and gameplay such a redefining of a series event tho the story is convoluted you can’t deny it

[@relativerelation]

When checking the replies of this the LAST thing i expected to see was kh😭😭

[@Yoshirocks92]

I love the part that you did for the final part of the chorus that you color coated some of the words.

[@a-mellowtea]

Oh gosh, thank you!

[@Erwyn_]

One of my favorite from rwby

[@KrisHornett_]

I swear if my series gets adapted, she has to be on the ost!

[@AREUI]

This songs second name is “2021 Explained!”

[@justusrivera8677]

Awesome!!!

[@nicholasseaks95]

Happy Ever After/Happy Never Again

[@Lightning-fw9sx]

Literally when it falls part 2.0

[@danteesper980]

THE WHOLE SONGGGG YESSS

[@wileyhamilton5274]

I'm here for it

[@Janelle-nu1ep]

CHILLS LITERAL CHILLS

[@ancientofdays8644]

Knowing what this season is about this song is really Ironic.

[@wrxght_com]

THIS OPENING 😍😍😍😍😍‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@crazypokefan123]

My only complaint is the title; I really think it should've been risk the fall. But like...minor complaint, boss song as always😎

[@Axel-zw4wj]

V8: Hi! I'm RWBY'S Volumen eight! They say I'm just like V3! Fandom: Because you are as good as that season was in terms of writing?! V8: Hahahahaha! No! *Because I'll tear your soul like V3 did!*

[@fightmanx]

Is it wrong to watch bleach listening to this? For some reason though, it fits. STILL THOUGH IM GOING TO LiSTEN TO THIS FOREVER.

[@meikafang]

OMG ITS OUT

[@bfnvalley]

This song is the only one I really like from this soundtrack. I wish rwby would just go full Metal Gear Rising instead of kinda dipping its toes into the territory

[@georgeokines6057]

FNDM: Let Ruby develop as a character! RT: 0:57

[@rizkyyulianto8741]

9,10,11,12 if rwby end with 12 volumes then we are reaching the end of the franchises

[@saboten9621]

my guess since around volume 5 was that it would end with volume 10

[@stolidfox7528]

Why is it that the two openings with the most hopeless/negative lyrics (3 and 8) are my favorite?

[@kingraplhmativo5178]

Cinder's volume

[@halohawkxx]

Oh... so this dropped in full now? When does the Album me then?!

[@a-mellowtea]

The full album is out! You can find it on Apple Music and Spotify.

[@azd25]

if the songs are released now that means new rwby volume.

[@vela_nova7651]

Funny how my least favorite volume has my favorite opening song.

[@trevorhensley3185]

Happy? Never Again.

[@ddbob1]

So much foreshadowing lol

[@elisaarte1681]

Mashed up this song with Inside or after the line "for every life" the line of inside comes, you'll see

[@analyzgolden7774]

I have a LOT of bad beef with Volume 8 as a whole, but this opening song is simple GENIUS. Like, there are small lines of lyrics that foreshadow major events in the story without it being blatant, like it's a spoiler or something. "We said goodbye to all the things we loved" as a callback to 'time we said goodbye' as these girls are meant to be in a warzone now facing said harsh realities. (That I think the volume handled terribly in execution, but that's besides the point) "Maybe the path that leads our way home will finally clear" Foreshadowing their use of the portals to get the people to Vacuo, as a 'clear path' (and story wise, I hated that, but again, not the time to get into that) Followed "Maybe the end we tried to avoid is already here" Foreshadowing how the titular team get Thanosed in that black hole at the end. "Some dreams will rot on the vine" "THE VINE" HELLO?!!! That's so subtle to Vine's death, and so clever, and I love it!! And there's probably some others that I'm missing! This song is that good in this regard

[@martinawilliamss]

SO EVIL WILL NEVER EVER DIE!!!!

[@Uak0]

Paladins fans like :)

[@lucifer-librarian9562]

I love the first two lines. Because in this voume I said goodby to most of the things I liked about the show, oh well. Modern entertainment

[@TheElementsAreWithMe]

I thought Volume 3 had despair. No that is amateur hour compare to this.

[@noobartist6009]

I want one, just one rwby op without a guitar solo in the middle

[@Shraypa]

😀😀

[@Rare-One]

I really hope the writing picks up after all of this

[@franchescarainegatchalian3366]

A opening perfect for My Hero Academia!

[@iminho1873]

I tope to hear something like this for the last season, things are getting hard there

[@iminho1873]

Hope*

[@SilverBlade76]

It’s ironic that, after the initial hype and discussion behind this song died down? People began to fight over it, mainly because of the ‘Hero’s choose the wrong side’ part. Idk if it’s meant to be or not, I didn’t write it, but some people take that as a shot at Ironwood and turn it into ‘oh so because he didn’t agree with RWBY he’s on the wrong side?’ People in this fandom give me a headache.

[@a-mellowtea]

I mean, I love the character, but given Volume 8, it's a fair shot at that.

[@asimitshrivastava2167]

Yeah, people hold Team Rwby, responsibile for James’ descent into villainy, while they are right about how Rwby played a part in said descent, team Rwby was not responsible for Ironwood’s fall as a whole, team Rwby along with Jnr, Oscar, Qrow, Ozpin and the villains played a part, even Ironwood himself played a part in his downfall, also there were several flaws in his plan. I’ll give two examples. 1. Atlas requires resources from mantle, should the city be lifted, the people will be trapped in a secluded area, causing said supplies to start dwindling and cause the people to die out, while it could be argued that he could use the staff of creation to create more supplies, he explicitly said “the staff can be used for one purpose at a time.” 2. Even if he succeeded, this would leave Remnant at Salem’s mercy allowing her to obliterate the city of Mantle and the Kingdom of Vacuo and grab the relic from from Shade as well as the remaining relics, Theodore and those with him may put up a valiant fight, but they will also be decimated, not only that but if we take into account about Salem’s immortality, she would have all the time she needs to find a way to breach the atmosphere and reach Atlas, and it is not likely, it will be inevitable that she would succeed. In conclusion in the General’s attempt to save remnant he would only condemn it as his plan was doomed to fail from the beginning and he would only prolong the destruction of Atlas and by extension, Remnant.

[@MountainMan-bz9lk]

Huh

[@MountainMan-bz9lk]

😶

[@WaterfallYT]

"We failed to stop our own Demise" The BETA RWBY's Plan(Try to save Everyone,but put the world & everybody in atlas & the relics in unnecessary danger) The ALPHA Ironwood's Plan(Leave Mantle to Die,but keep the Relics & Maiden away from Salem)

[@ZurBar8]

This is the dumbest reduction of what actually happened I've read yet. Ironwood's plan was short-sighted and doomed for failure even if it had succeeded. You forget, time is on Salem's side. And if Ironwood has to run away even when his army is at full strength, then Atlas stands no chance once Salem conquers the rest of Remnant and then focuses all her forces on a floating city that is alone, has little resources, and can't call for help.

[@WaterfallYT]

@@ZurBar8 Rwbys plan got the Atlas Military killed,the fall of Atlas which means the destruction of the most technological nation with it's resourcess,loss of relics,& there's more negative effect for the loss Atlas which I won't go into more depth but i'll give you an idea.imagine the world if China got wiped off the map,imagine all the problems that would arise that basically happened with with atlas. Ironwoods plan is not short sided because it give Ironwood more time for him to plan a counter attack,& also means the Relic would be in space which Saleem would never get or get in a very very very long time.Also Saleem goal is to get the relics not conquer remmenant. Her endgoal has not been stated yet.

[@ZurBar8]

@@WaterfallYT No, Ironwood's dumbass planning got his army killed. He's a peace time General who has never fought a war and it shows. Also, Ironwood's plan would've done exactly what Salem wanted him to. Remember in Volume 6 when the Villains only decided to attack Atlas because they were afraid Ozpin would talk sense into Ironwood and make him call for help from Vacuo? Salem needs humanity divided to win and Ironwood's plan was going to give her what she wanted. No, all of Atlas's resources came from Mantle. Especially their Dust Mining and their experienced laborers. So if Atlas is in space, they have no access to more Dust or other resources when they need it and will eventually crumble into civil unrest once resources become scarce. That will maked Salem's job easier once she decides to take out Atlas. Plan for what? His army was at its strongest and he still wanted to run away with his tail between his legs. I don't know where you got the idea that Ironwood is a master strategist when his bright idea during Volume 2 was to Zerg Rush Mountain Glenn with no scouts even though he had no clue where the White Fang was specifically located. He's not planning shit and he didn't even mention fighting back after running away. You made that up. There is no counter-attack. He's running away, full stop. Someone has not been paying attention. Not surprising giving how stupid your arguments are. Salem's goals HAVE been stated. She wants to summon the Gods, so they'll destroy the world and her with it. She believes it's the only way to die permanently. And what makes you think Salem can't get to Atlas in space. What proof do you have that it'll take her a long time?

[@WaterfallYT]

@@ZurBar8 1.Team RWBY had the Maiden which was the only way how Ironwood & military would have survived,because as you said Ironwoods military could not stop Saleem so Team RWBY put Ironwood in a lose lose situation,Ironwood "dumbass plan" was the best he could do in that situation. 2.No Saleem went Atlas because of Team RWBY.In v7 Cynder talks to Neo about why they were in Atlas.There next target was Vaccuo but since team RWBY had the Lamp they changed there plan. 3.Yes even though atlas was in space.Ironwood was mostly likely come back to Remnant once he had a Plan.Ironwood plan bassically meant he had more time to come up with a Better plan & with the Staff of Creation & in turn increases the chances of this new plan of stopping Saleem to work 4.Yes,tough most of Atlas resources came from Mantle.you know what happened in Team RWBY plan Mantle sunk,in Ironwoods plan the worst that would have happened is that the city would be destroyed & those resources would still be left in tact. 5.Refer to 2 6.Id like you tell me the EP & Season in where saleem plan was stated in pls 7.Its a far assume that it would take along time because as Ironwood stated theres no Grim that could go into space

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​@@WaterfallYT 1. Wrong. Ironwood only thought that because he was being paranoid and wanted to abandon half his citizens (which is dereliction of duty btw). Team RWBY wanted to evacuate as many Mantle citizens as they could before Salem could get through the Shield. They had plenty of time because Salem was only able to break the Shield with the Grimm River a DAY LATER. Ironwood would've had the Maiden AND his army if he had done his job and duty. 2. Wrong. Salem went to Atlas because she found out Ozpin was alive again. The Villains outright said that Ozpin was the only one able to talk sense into Ironwood and ruin Team Evil's plans. 3. lol You still think Ironwood had a plan. The dude just flayed his arm and is hopped up on pain killers. He didn't have a plan. And by the time he would come up with a "plan" Salem would have the other three Relics. 4. Mantle sunk because Ironwood shot down their evacuation transports. Team RWBY had no choice but to use the Relic to save everyone. Why are you pretending to care that Mantle sunk if Ironwood's plan was to commit dereliction of duty and abandon Mantle in the first place? 6. Volume 8 Episode 7 "War" 10 minutes in. 7. They also once believed that Grimm couldn't survive the cold of Atlas. But guess what, Salem mutated and adapted her Grimm to the cold like she did when she created her flying monkeys. Salem will mutate and adapt her Grimm to space. It's not like the Grimm need to breathe anyway since they're not living creatures.