Imagine if Johnny was written as a huge horror nerd who initially was only interested in Mavis because she was a real vampire and likewise, Mavis only liked him because he's the first real human she's met. But they grow to appreciate each other as their own people and not just objects of interest from an unknown culture the more they get to know each other. It would even make Dracula's initial dislike of Johnny a bit more understandable because he doesn't want his daughter to be gawked at like she's some kind of rare zoo animal.
@9nikola2 жыл бұрын
That would've been a lot better yeah
@alexgroot25082 жыл бұрын
That actually makes for a heckin more interesting plot and characters. Get on Ao3 you.
@namantherockstar2 жыл бұрын
*ÇHORUS* is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 50k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional mic!! *begging you GUYS alot* literally begging..
@CulturedDegenerate2 жыл бұрын
God, that's like 500% better than what we got. Someone get the op in the writer's room pls
@alicetheneko75292 жыл бұрын
Well written. You seem to have a talent for this.
@Thepotatogoddess2 жыл бұрын
I love how the Lego movie did this trope. The movie is literally based around emmet being the boring person he is. Emmet has no hobbies, nothing he likes to do in his free time, except for what the government tells him. And in the end, he became someone, which I really appreciate. The Lego movie is my favorite movie for this reason.
@TheSultan14702 жыл бұрын
wtf
@julias.66582 жыл бұрын
Hey, don't forget the double decker couch. That was an excellent idea lol
@pokaay31632 жыл бұрын
@@julias.6658 he was an everyman, but he still had ideas. He was unique in that sense, which is ironic.
@animationdude92 жыл бұрын
This is why I feel like the everyman trope isn’t the main villain here. It’s the overall *execution* of it
@Michael-tm6vs2 жыл бұрын
@@julias.6658 lmao I remember that
@dog80682 жыл бұрын
what drove me crazy about this movie is that johnny practically had more chemistry with mavis’ dad than he did with her
@bumbabees2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit right??? They have zero chemistry! He and Dracula learning to like each other was ten times more interesting than any scene with him and mavis together.
@kyero87242 жыл бұрын
THE MOVIES ARE ABOUT DRAC NOT JOHNNY
@AJ-fv3ej2 жыл бұрын
AHEM (i married my father in law)
@megumiseyelashes67062 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-fv3ej i don't like how i immediately knew what you were talking about
@luisapaza3172 жыл бұрын
Haha
@Astron0mical..-.2 жыл бұрын
It annoys me that in the 5ish years Dennis has been alive, he’s already done more adventuring than poor Mavis in her entire life
@lukelichtenthal54072 жыл бұрын
That’s why both he and Winnie deserve their own movie or show.
@mado-wh4jv Жыл бұрын
To be fair she will outlive both her son and husband, so is not like she is wasting her life by staying with them.
@KnightEclipser Жыл бұрын
@@mado-wh4jvDennis is half-vampire.
@mado-wh4jv Жыл бұрын
@@KnightEclipser And have lived for overly 1 century while her son is 5 and is a toddler.when he should be newborn or unborn uyet
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
He's full vampire lol, he turned at the end of the 2nd one. @@KnightEclipser
@jc1979af2 жыл бұрын
I hate Jonny in the sequels. He is a father for several years, but still acts like a surfer/stoner teen. Wouldn't the time as a father mature him a bit. It would been a good way to show character growth, progession
@discolullaby57772 жыл бұрын
You really haven’t met many parents huh? Just because people have a child doesn’t mean they mature.
@monicaaboites50532 жыл бұрын
@@discolullaby5777 Yes. But the stereotype of the stupid father must die. It’s really annoying see as while the mother is the responsable one the father is the irresponsable one. The worst part is that stereotype is not funny. Johnny is not funny.. and only is frustrating see how Mavis have to justify his stupid actions.
@aeroga23832 жыл бұрын
@@discolullaby5777 Johnny being one of those parents just makes me hate him even more
@jc1979af2 жыл бұрын
While some parents still act immature, for a narrative prospective it would make sense for the characters to mature. For example: Mavis: "You are sounding just like my dad !" Johnny: "That because I am a dad"
@EmptyMan0002 жыл бұрын
@@monicaaboites5053 She doesn't even justify it. She knows his actions are stupid and supports him anyway. That's just being loyal wife and unfortunately an enabler.
@AzA6092 жыл бұрын
It has the same vibe as regular bland anime protagonists getting a handout of the powers of a god and having EVERY side character OBSESSED with their "charm". *"I'm just your average high schooler"*
@namantherockstar2 жыл бұрын
*ÇHORUS* is my inspiration!! My mom said that if I got 50k subscribers!! She definitely buy me a professional mic!! *begging you GUYS alot* literally begging..
@ligtningdog63992 жыл бұрын
Similar but not nearly as painful. Johnny only has ONE girl that likes him.
@Nuti1962 жыл бұрын
Also, I love how in anime it's often like this - the protagonist (could be male or female) was the typical, average person for their entire life, no one ever found them very attractive or interesting, nothing special about their personality or hobbies or talents etc. Kinda like a background character, you know like a "Girl E" or "Boy F" in the roll credits But then when the action of the anime starts (with the first episode) suddenly for some reason everyone is interested in them, everyone wants to date them, or be friends with them or be enemies with them... The ENTIRE WORLD starts to focus on that one person for no reason. And we as the viewers are suppose to believe that and accept it
@Birthday8882 жыл бұрын
@@Nuti196 That's kinda fallen out of style in anime now though. The bland anime protag was always an openly obvious way people could self insert into. Nowadays though, you usually get over the top, godlike powers relatively quickly, and that's usually the basis for why everyone falls head over heels for them. If you want you cake and eat it, have them be normal, bland MC in the real world, but make them into blatant power fantasy once they get reincarnated or transported into another world or start playing this VR videogame.
@snakeoi81892 жыл бұрын
Spoilers for Danganronpa 2 and up>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Like for Hajime from Danganronpa 2, they used this "average-ess" trope as a plot point for the series universe. It has importance, and goes in depth with the character's struggle with acknowledging his less skills/abilties/interesting behavior from the rest of the cast. Hajime actually has a personality. And is considered "boring, talentless, normal" person as types of insults.
@SitaraAleu2 жыл бұрын
I only remember one scene with Mavis and Johnny that actually got to me. They’re standing on the roof about to watch the sunrise for her first time, and she’s so freaking mesmerized that she forgets the sun will hurt her. Johnny notices and very gently pulls her back into the shade so she can stay out and enjoy the view without getting hurt. Yeah, their relationship was clunky and awkward and not well written, but it did have its moments.
@toxihex8762 жыл бұрын
You heard right folks, an endearing moment is not letting your wife die while you're both taking part in an activity which you know could very well kill her but has no chance of hurting you.
@urvijain96382 жыл бұрын
Omg , yes totally I understand that Mavis and Johnny are not the best couple but this happens in reality too that a 10 women likes a less average man . Cough cough “ She’s way out of my league” movie But it’s not like Johnny doesn’t care about her like this scene you are talking about These guys genuinely fell in love and I love it for that and it’s not Mavis fault that the first human man to appear in her life is someone she fell fall and marry off. The only thing I didn’t like was the part 4 of this series It doesn’t make sense to me how papa Dracula went from not liking Johnny to forgetting about Johnny (2nd movie)to liking another woman (3rd movie) and to again in the end not liking Johnny
@jasminkrieger84642 жыл бұрын
@@urvijain9638 its the thing with zing on vampires
@caitlin45062 жыл бұрын
it did, but still they're not couple material
@a.velderrain8849 Жыл бұрын
I hated this scene because internally I was screaming "THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, YOU CAN'T SEE THE SUN IF YOUR HEAD IS IN THE SHADE"
@asthmaticbee Жыл бұрын
What bothers me about their relationship is that Mavis lost her mom before she can even remember her. And then she has a kid with Johnny... and her kid will probably lose his dad very young because he stayed HUMAN. Mavis and their kid are immortal, Johnny is not. So instead of dealing with this and making their relationship interesting they ignore it.
@LoveAndSnapple Жыл бұрын
I think they should have finished off the franchise with Dracula officially retiring and mavis and Johnny taking over the hotel by Mavis making Johnny vampire, officially making him part of the family. I know it goes against all four movies about how he’s a human, but the audience is smarter than that. Even children who are old enough to have that realization will realize how unaddressed it is.
@geomania8533 Жыл бұрын
If Johnny doesn’t become a vampire in the 5th movie imma be upset
@Norinia Жыл бұрын
@@geomania8533Movie series is over. It literally ended with Johnny having a tantrum and Drac giving in to his every demand, instead of stating how f%cking ridiculous it is to just give over his hotel to his human son in law when his blood daughter was looking to take over.
@MillyThe_Rat Жыл бұрын
They explored it on the 4th movie BUT IT WAS JUST "oh you'll be happier if i'm a monster so i can fit in better"
@dark7element11 ай бұрын
@@MillyThe_Rat You're surprised that they didn't make the inevitability of old age and death a major plot point in an animated movie for kids?
@NJVArtimations2 жыл бұрын
Mavis: "I love the way he is" Johnny: *proceeds acting like a 9 year old in a 26 years old's body*
@Chalastor1462 жыл бұрын
XD
@youjustgotburned39802 жыл бұрын
Man-children are the worst...been there done that and I'm NEVER doing it again.😝
@whatdreamsaremadeof30292 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@lilithrealm2 жыл бұрын
Fr, like she met a young guy and dated for no reason
@xx_furby_lover_xx58122 жыл бұрын
Yes
@dwaekkisinsanity52332 жыл бұрын
They didn't even let Mavis ACTUALLY do some adventuring/exploring, they just married her off and by the sequel she already has a baby
@alexanderguerrero3472 жыл бұрын
She wasn’t the main character of the series. It was Dracula. She was always more related to the plot like her having a kid so Dracula could be a grandfather and have a plot for him.
@dwaekkisinsanity52332 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderguerrero347 yeah but she's still essential and her arc (and the first movie's whole plot) was literally her wanting to go out and travel
@CattyLoveKittenLove2 жыл бұрын
@UltimateCheetah3000 teen parents aren't something uncommon these days. Plus, this pregnancy was planned and Mavis is happy. She will never age and has plenty of time to live her infinite life after her child grows up. It's not like she is left in poverty with no financial stability and help.
@chosenfallen20242 жыл бұрын
This is a Disney movie yes? Pretty much the norm for them
@sylviafaix74792 жыл бұрын
yes , ew
@Francisco-bu9ew2 жыл бұрын
The girl that wants to be free and explore the world, that inmediatly after her first romance gets married and has a child has to be one of the worst tropes, it's like you definetly took away what she desired on the first place
@rae-rae80052 жыл бұрын
I bet the writers were just being lazy because they wanted more of a cash grab with a cute kid or some thing like that.
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
@@rae-rae8005 It's mostly because Mavis and Johnny aren't the main character of the movie, Dracula is, the other two are just a subplot to what basically is Dracula learning he needs to let go of his insecurities and fears to move onto a better world. Then it comes to his shenanigans as a grandfather trying to overcome his bias and pressuring.
@lukelichtenthal54072 жыл бұрын
@@rae-rae8005 Hey Dennis was awesome!!
@lukelichtenthal54072 жыл бұрын
@@insertname3977 That’s the problem. They focus too much on Drac sadly pushing everyone else to the side and you don’t do that.
@rae-rae80052 жыл бұрын
@@lukelichtenthal5407 eh, I’m not the biggest fan of him tbh.
@mochi9043 Жыл бұрын
Johnny was so much more well written in the first movie. He was an adventurous outgoing guy who had travelled the world. Its easy to see how mavis would be attracted towards him after being sheltered and stuck in one place her entire life. He was doing what she so desperately wanted to do. We could actually see Johnny being a smart individual, seeing through what dracula was trying to do, being creative and outgoing enough to gravitate everyone towards him. The sequels just washed all that away and left us with a husk of a character, the clumsy, naive, annoying yes man. The 4th movie really ruined him.
@kaputt_jay3873 Жыл бұрын
YES. This is exactly how I feel. He actually had layers to him in the first movie. You could see he was an outgoing guy, but he had feelings and, instead of trying to laugh everything off, he acted . . . maturely. Now that's all gone.
@fruity-capri-sun Жыл бұрын
YES!! i just watched the fourth movie and i honestly cried over how messed up johnny was. he acted like my four years old cousin with ADHD super irresponsible and childish in an annoying way. in the first movie he was amazing, i enjoyed his realitionship with dracula which continued into movie two and three, i think the chemistry between him and mavis was actually there esp. in the third movie but the fourth one..was just...disaster
@lavasharkflowers Жыл бұрын
Yup
@ghostratsarah Жыл бұрын
And relationships like that don't usually work out. Once the novelty wears off, the bickering and resentment kicks in.
@rawdasalmataman79089 ай бұрын
I agree I like the first movie i thunk the ending was amazing and the sequels should have focused on Mavis and Johnny 's adventures
@ArthenExplorer2 жыл бұрын
In the totally necessary 4th movie everyone was apparently rioting to get, it was honestly kinda interesting to see Johnny demonstrate a proficiency over Dracula, backpack traveling. He actually shown and given wisdom to Dracula, an immortal being who lived many lifetimes, but it still falls short to the fact that Johnny is still the man-child he was since the first film.
@BrightWulph2 жыл бұрын
It's one of the things I hate about the sequels, is the resetting of characters. in the first movie, Dracula learns and grows so much, but in the second film, he's right back to being a selfish jerk, continuously stepping on Mavis and Johnny toes as the parents of Denis. Can't comment too much on the last two films and the shorts, because I haven'tseen them. But from what I've heard Dracula, is still a selfish jerk.
@smartass01242 жыл бұрын
Why is every man a low bar . What the every woman
@Sanakudou2 жыл бұрын
@@smartass0124 in this case the Everyman is a character with only just enough relatability to be the audiences self insert, they’re not actually a fleshed out character with a complex/individual personality or identity. There’s absolutely stories out there that do this with the genders in reverse, from the normal very average, often unpopular girl getting the most 10/10 attractive, wealthy male love interest, or dating the most popular guy in school for being “different” when there’s no substance to them at all, or poor average girl becoming a princess, etc, when they’re just the audience self insert. In these kinds of stories it’s intentionally written this way for Audiences wish fulfilment and not for making a better character or story. It’s unfortunate but it sells, especially with the young teen audience.
@jordinagel11842 жыл бұрын
@@Sanakudou now you’re making me curious what an Audi wish fulfillment movie would look like
@zu59262 жыл бұрын
It's a headcannon of mine that Johnny isn't human.He's secretly some monster who's good at manipulating people
@dogmaticeuthanasia2 жыл бұрын
johnny literally has more chemistry with dracula then he does with his own perfect 100/10 goth wife
@assiaelmabrouki55522 жыл бұрын
Literally lol
@poumybeloved Жыл бұрын
ITS TRUE, LIKE MOVIE 4 WAS ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP💀💀
@donalvarito3165 Жыл бұрын
Maybe because subtletly the writers are portraying a sexist and chauvinistic relationship in which the father allows the man to be with his daughter because she is his father's property? Idk, just a thought.
@melg1605 Жыл бұрын
@@donalvarito3165 I always saw him as a father learning that his daughter has to make her own life and that she is no longer a baby.
@melg1605 Жыл бұрын
@@donalvarito3165 something like helicopter mothers
@freddyaxebear75472 жыл бұрын
It was bugged me that Johnny starts off the first movie as 21 and him being the everyman-slacker with no real direction is fine but he spends years of his life between the movies and nothing about him changes. If I remember right he's like 29 by the 4th movie, so he's been with Mavis for like 8 years. For a human that is a decent chunk of time, they could have made some really nice plot lines involving the fact that Johnny is growing older faster than the monsters, he matures and changes very fast for their perspective. Its pretty normal for someone to experience a lot of personal growth in their 20s too, I think it would have been fine if he did remain a goofy guy but as he got older he gained a more complex personality.
@DGolden2472 жыл бұрын
That’s such a good point! They definitely should’ve explored that more.
@toxihex8762 жыл бұрын
I love how everyone casually forgets he will die before his child is mature enough to watch R rated movies. If 118 equals 18, then when he's on his death bed in 60 years his kid will be somewhere around a human 8 or 9.
@dont_dream_it_be_it2 жыл бұрын
@@toxihex876 actuallly no, his son grows as fast as a human
@EasyWater2 жыл бұрын
They shouldve explored that and how it affects the relationship. At the beginning its weird Mav is sheltered and she would normally be 18 by human standards but she couldnt really mature by experiencing hardship or interacting with similarly aged people. So she may only be about 14 mentally. Now the other dude is 21 or 28, dunno, and there is a gap between them from the start. He just has more life-experience, even if its not that much. If it continues he will mature and by 60 he'll maybe act and think like a 60 year old while she thinks like a 20 year old. Would that repulse him? Or how would he deal with dating someone that is like a child to him (mentally).
@I_always_have_been_Daniel49 Жыл бұрын
Kinda like in the Twilight movies?
@Sylentmana2 жыл бұрын
In the real world these sorts of relationships between a sheltered girl and the first looser she meets usually end in a bitter breakup/divorce.
@ThePianoWhisperer Жыл бұрын
😅 now you tell me
@Real_cinderace5 ай бұрын
I didn't see the 4th movie, but I was kinda expecting that happening there, sad it didn't
@Shoxic6665 ай бұрын
Not if she never meets anyone else 🧠
@JassLJ4 ай бұрын
@@Real_cinderaceMaybe if there were other guys for Mavis to like it would've happened.
@aliatar9325Ай бұрын
Seen it first hand. And it's always a messy break up
@gailbello77982 жыл бұрын
Yeah it always bummed me out that Mavis went from wanting to see the world then immediately to stay at home mom. Her character had so much potential but they never let her be the star of the story. The 4th movie wasn't very good but it at least gave Mavis and Ericka some agency having to be the ones to save their dumb husbands from the trouble they caused.
@tytheaniman4972 жыл бұрын
She did see the world. Her marrying Johnny and having Dennis were a few years after that. There were time skips.
@Isokatmydydecsf2 жыл бұрын
@@tytheaniman497 I wish they had elaborated those moments instead of making them time skip.
@tlacuache_mt2 жыл бұрын
@@Isokatmydydecsf Agree, if the movie doesn't show us what happened, how im a suppose to know that happened?
@noselftokill2 жыл бұрын
agreed! the only thing that made me enjoy the 4th movie was ericka and mavis working together.
@ClaudetteVioletta2 жыл бұрын
@@noselftokill we don't see that step& parent and step-child dynamic that often
@taiya0012 жыл бұрын
I feel Mavis and Johnny would’ve been better of as friends. Each helping each other navigate a new world and helping them come to the grips with their shortcomings.
@DGolden2472 жыл бұрын
I agree, there just wasn’t enough development in order to justify marrying the two off and then having a kid. In the sequels they both could’ve went on adventures and then as they mature their relationship could’ve become more romantic and serious. Or not, not every series needs a romance.
@lord__pasta2 жыл бұрын
Oh no, the horrors, a male, and a female, being *friends*?!?!?! And just *friends*?! And they *weren't* childhood friends They met each other, and *instead* of falling in love immediately, they become *friends*?!?! Nah bro Zero realism Absolutely nothing good would come from it Absolutely not Never ever would happen ever Let's never let that be common ever Sorry kiddos, friends are for weirdos, especially if it's of the opposite gender!! Never will ever happen ever in real life ever
@MidnightDarkness6662 жыл бұрын
Oh! Here's an idea! Make Johnny's character a girl (just not an annoying one like irl Johnny)! Have Mavis get her first human friend and learn about the real world through girl bonding, then it would be empowering to have a confident girl break Mavis out of her shell and out from under her dad's thumb.
@letsalllovelean4782 жыл бұрын
@@MidnightDarkness666 That's literally the best idea ever! It'd be even cooler if female Johnny (whom I'll refer as Josie) had parents who hated monsters. Both Mavis and Josie would bond over their overbearing parents. It would give Josie the mindset that vampires are bad, so they'd have a cool enemies to best friends arc.
@byronrush98022 жыл бұрын
@@letsalllovelean478 that would be interesting and then through their whole friendship and start dating boys Mavis finally gets dating experience instead of marrying the first human guy she meets just because of The zing which is the monster excuse for love at first sight
@MsAlyssaB12 жыл бұрын
Mavis getting married and having a baby straight away always felt off, I think showing her and Johnny exploring and growing up together for a bit would have been a million times better. The wedding and the dead weight baby should have been part of the last movie. Johnny is an explorer by nature and Mavis craves adventure, by the end of the first movie there looks like a story building there but instead they have her get pregnant when she still looks barely 20 and hasn't gone on the adventure she deserves. And her and Johnny still need to grow up a bit, that should have been a plot point. It felt lazy!
@amandalynn49792 жыл бұрын
While I do think Dennis was a cute addition, it was way too soon for him to come into the franchise and other than the second movie, didn't really affect the plots.
@monohearts2 жыл бұрын
You guys take the words out of my mouth, just more smarter ❤️🔥🙏🏽
@saturnianrings39202 жыл бұрын
I doubt any kid would want it watch: “ *Hotel Transylvania - Marital Problems!* “
@AwsomeKat7772 жыл бұрын
@@AgentMulder120 18 and 21 is only like four years. That's a freshman dating a senior. Weird but not like, sus. And Mavis is like literally several centuries older than 18 also, if we're talking sus lmAo
@lagopusvulpuz15712 жыл бұрын
@@AgentMulder120 Technically Mavis is way older than the guy. If we are talking about years. The guy is like a baby compared to her & even if she was 18 years old, they would be a few years apart. A freshman & a Senior. I don’t know the obsession with age difference. I only care when is a young kid & an full grown adult. If both adults consent, I don’t care. At 18 you can legally marry. The brain doesn’t fully develop until 25, so Jonny is young.
@redcloversubliminals24972 жыл бұрын
It's always the "lazy/doesnt have a fashion sense guy x Pretty, extremely hot girl who's responsible" trope. Never the opposite
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
Except in almost every sort of romantic comedy where the woman is a mess of a human being and gets to decide between her choices of well put together men (and the occasional bad boy).
@FrankLee-f7y Жыл бұрын
Have you never read a YA novel written by a women? Or watched a lifetime/Hallmark movie? There are PLENTY of stories featuring a slobbish woman hooking up with a handsome men. I get that you're trying to make a point, but COME ON...
@pppf_S Жыл бұрын
@user-rv3xn3ki1unever saw any of that. Fr. Its like, never happened. There is a reason to this kind of storie be painted as bad and boring.
@FrankLee-f7y Жыл бұрын
@@pppf_S Then why do people watch/read so much of it? It's not because they produce too much of it. People love these types of stories because, believe it or not, most of them (men and women) can relate to the "slob" protagonist, and most people like to fantasize about dating someone they know is out of their league. It's a common fantasy. Everyone has their mold. For men, it's the slobbish, man-child who somehow manages to charm a beautiful woman into liking him. For women, its the shy, awkward, not annoying-at-all, adorkable outcast girl who gets the bad boy/hot guy and changes him into the guy of her 'dreams'. Pick your poison, lady. Both are played out and paint harsh stereotypes of every gender, but people eat that shit up.
@scottchaison1001 Жыл бұрын
@@FrankLee-f7y She made a bad point.
@kaykay88552 жыл бұрын
I think this pairing is fine but the second movie should have been devoted to developing Mavis’s and Johnny’s character, not how Dracula’s crippling abandonment issues.
@animo3582 жыл бұрын
These movies, at least the major story beats, happen in the wrong order. Feel like it shoulda been 1, 4, 3, 2. Girl meets Human Human actually succeeds in getting dad to like him (That's all he did in 4 really) Dad gets a chance to let go and move on with his life Girl becomes Mom and risks making a buncha the same mistakes. That said, I do understand some of the other story beats can only happen when they do honestly. Mavis meeting Johnnys family and the human world would be a fine excuse to basically write her out of the new two. And Drac can in theory only really give the hotel away in the "Final" movie. But you still coulda introduces Van Helsing in 2, prove Drac right a little then let his grand whatever prove him wrong in the next one.
@hvnlei2 жыл бұрын
ralph breaks the internet did the exact same thing. they could've expanded on individual characters but instead they made Ralph a big man baby with abandonment issues.
@medival98602 жыл бұрын
@@hvnlei Ikr I found the way he was so clingy with Venelope kinda creepy
@ClaudetteVioletta2 жыл бұрын
@@hvnlei just when I was starting to forget it
@2-d_in_a_bag2 жыл бұрын
@@hvnlei i never watched it and i think it's for the best that i don't 😌
@slashercat86492 жыл бұрын
Honestly, he's kinda boring if he's just grouped with Mavis but I think his strongest is when he and Dracula play off each other. Dracula is basically the main character with Jonny being his foil while Mavis is more secondary to the duo.
@gaybatgosqueak2 жыл бұрын
But he's a bad foil, that's the issue. Foil characters are great when they're actual characters and not just a walking, talking, plot device.
@y.96452 жыл бұрын
i think thats why people ship Drac and Johnny together bc they have more "chemistry" than the actual love interest when that happens you know this movie fucked up. wth?!?
@badreedinedjellali13282 жыл бұрын
guess draucs is right about not liking Johnny
@inendlesspain47242 жыл бұрын
@@y.9645 To be fair, shippers will make a ship out of any two characters even remotely related to each other.
@humvee28002 жыл бұрын
I dont even think of him as an everyman. He is just straight moronic to the point of being annoying. Its kind of like how the original simpsons had homer as being dim witted but good hearted and family loving. Meanwhile later simpsons have homer as a pathological liar who is a danger tohimself , his family, and the town at all times. Willing to put his family in danger for a donut. Characters all need SOMETHING to pull you in, and johnny just has nothing
@BloodylocksBathory2 жыл бұрын
"Bang the first guy she falls for" definitely resonates with me. I hate how in most films (not just family films, but they really lay into it) want to sell the idea of first love = marriage material.
@I-Not-Gonna-Take-It2 жыл бұрын
Why? It's cute
@MissJJoan2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. When you’re too young you don’t always make the best choices. Doesn’t mean you can’t find someone who is good marriage material in your first love, but yeah I’m pretty sure it’s rare.
@spiffygroove2 жыл бұрын
100% it creates toxic expectations that your first relationship is THE one when in reality the majority of people need to stumble through relationships in order to learn about what they need fro themselves and their partners
@Sephelions2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Your first relationship is almost never your best, especially if you start dating young. You have no experience with relationships, and if you're young you're more naïve and more likely to drastically change. The first one being The One is a cute concept, but it's so common that it's become the expectation, and it's not really a good thing
@annierminx2 жыл бұрын
@@I-Not-Gonna-Take-It it's stupidly unrealistic, most people don't even do that, while in almost every movie, that's what's being shown, giving children and even teenagers/adults, the weird idea that their first relationship ever WILL and SHOULD work, and if it doesn't, then they already failed at their love life
@JDigital22 жыл бұрын
Jonny was the best in the first Hotel. They really olaf'd him in the sequels by overcharacterizing his troupe. The scene with him in the closet explaining his past roommate will never fail to get a good laugh out of me.
@LoveAndSnapple Жыл бұрын
“Olaf’d” 😂😂😂
@flickcentergaming680 Жыл бұрын
I agree. In the first one, his naivety is genuinely funny and somewhat endearing. And at the end when Drac forced Johnny to leave, we as the audience WANT him to be allowed back in the hotel. Then in the sequels he turns into the most generic, "stupid dad" type character ever written.
@trustworthy_hypocrite18382 жыл бұрын
My least favorite troupe is the pretty, energetic, ambitious woman dating the quirky, hot in an unattractive way, lazy guy she happened to fall for out of nowhere. Drac probably wouldn't have had a problem with Mavis dating a human if the human was someone who didn't do the bare minimum and get praised for it.
@ivymeow32 жыл бұрын
Yeah and I feel like this trope is so commonly accepted in pop culture but when its the other way around everyone suddenly hates it. Like in twilight its basically the opposite of hotel transylvania where Bella has no personality and is pretty dumb and Edward is this super chad guy who has his life together. Everyone's always super quick to point that out and hate on it but don't realize its a super common trope with the guy being the "loser", somehow its only a problem when the roles are reversed, but either way I agree this trope sucks
@flask2232 жыл бұрын
@@ivymeow3 twilight is overheated tho and that is because it’s targeted towards and enjoyed primarily by girls/ women
@A.Peacock2 жыл бұрын
Yea and that's like a quarter of romance anime.
@cloud_catus85002 жыл бұрын
Just watch every Adam Sandler movie ever. He is just not a great guy and sometimes even manipulating and she is interesting, beautiful, successful and deserves better than that loser. I hate those movies because of that (and I don't like the humor, but that is a personal thing)
@naveerarizwan53292 жыл бұрын
@@flask223 no it’s hated because it’s bad
@moviehermit56312 жыл бұрын
The sunrise scene would have worked so much better if Johnny had used his phone to take a video of it to show Mavis. It makes more sense because it’s impossible to see a sunrise without being hit by its light rays, and it doesn’t make Mavis seem like an idiot who was either too scared to look until Johnny came around, or just never thought of looking past a corner (which, again, doesn’t make any sense considering you can see the sunrise reflect in her eyes without any sunlight on her at all)
@emeseviragh92932 жыл бұрын
I keep thinking about this each time the scene comes to mind, that it's not possible, and I'm always trying to think "okay but if it's from an angle?" and I like try to imitate it with objects, and I always think I'm just dumb, but each time I just conclude whatever I did first, that "it's not physically possible."- and I just wonder how I never heard anyone point that out???.... so idk what the point of my comment was other than: thank you, I now no longer think I'm crazy.
@lynxaway2 жыл бұрын
Yeah!!! And the use of modern technology to bridge the gap between them would tie in nicely to mavis’s growing acceptance of humans.
@Bane_Amesta2 жыл бұрын
Yes, this makes so much sense! Is like in Interview with the vampire, when Louis can see the sun again when he watch a movie for the first time, is a perfect example and that scene works as a very emotional moment for him
@tinytanaka87792 жыл бұрын
Movie would have been better with Mavis dying right there. The movie switches to a depressing story about Johnny's guilt and regret.
@redpanda64972 жыл бұрын
@@tinytanaka8779 Ok, that went way too dark.
@karolinakuc47832 жыл бұрын
Mylo in Atlantis is not everyman. He is very intelligent and clever. Not everyone can study ancient languages and solve riddles. He lacks confidence and is awkward but has a good heart and is brave. He is an example of first impression does not say everything
@MeepChangeling Жыл бұрын
It's also not a white savior plot. Milo doesn't save Atlantis alone; the native population is the muscle that makes victory possible. Milo just happened to be able to read their hover car manuals while they lost their written language in the cataclysm that sunk Atlantis... probably via a curse or something because, I mean, it's clearly amnesia as no adult can read. They were obviously alive before the sinking. Its also not like they were helpless. They TRIED to restart their tech but failed due to missing a tiny detail which wouldn't be obvious. Also the real day saver is Princess what's her tits merging with their god-crystal to do a magic in an act symbolic of apologizing for their hubris in the past. While I'm on the subject, can we all agree that "Mankind reached too high and so the gods smacked him down!" is a toxic fucking trope?
@fluffy_g0blin Жыл бұрын
@@MeepChangeling lol i was so seriously invested in your explanation until "princess what's her tits" 😂 still a good explanation but even better with that
@nagigachamania6936 Жыл бұрын
It's because he's not the audience, he's his own person, he has a defined personality and abilities. And the fact that Kida got with him (they're so cute I'll defend them to the end of times), the blond villain says at the beginning of the movie that he's single just because he wants after listening to his explanation, impressed by his intelligence
@razortheonethelight7303 Жыл бұрын
@@MeepChangeling "Mankind reached too high and so the gods smacked him down!" is less a toxic trope and more of a cautionary tale to listen to and not let our hubris kill us. Nuclear weapons being a good example and any other tech we could create that could wipe us out if we are not carful.
@Darksky1001able11 ай бұрын
@@MeepChangeling No, because its something that serves a purpose. Because its not always Allah that does the smacking, case in point, the Atomic bomb. Just a few those in a few key places and we're all fucked and it will be by our own hand. Not Allah's.
@Romanticoutlaw Жыл бұрын
I wish a male and female lead in an animated kids' movie could just be friends for once
@renamon565811 ай бұрын
Disney bolt did that?
@SavySniff11 ай бұрын
Too be fair that was also between a dog and a cat... that would be a really weird romance thing@renamon5658
@renamon565811 ай бұрын
@@SavySniff weird romance in kids animation happens a lot. In shrek donkey and dragon are in a relationship. And in over the hedge stella the skunk and tiger the cat became a item..... Looking back many relationships in cartoon and animation shows and movies were very weird.
@isleling519110 ай бұрын
Now a days it feels a little more rare for a male and a female to be in a romantic relationship I feel people should just write what's best for the story
@DragonQueen-cv5mw5 ай бұрын
Moana
@therealCrazyJake2 жыл бұрын
I think the main issue with Johnny is that he’s never given a character arc. Like, okay, everybody likes him, maybe he’s just charismatic, some people are just naturally good with people like that, but maybe show him being cocky and overconfident about it, perhaps Mavis doesn’t like that and finds him arrogant; now there is a conflict. The movie could have used that character trait to reveal some hidden insecurities for Johnny to have to face, humbling him, allowing him to gradually open up some vulnerabilities and self-reflection, learning to not coast through life and rely on a facade to gain the approval of others and put forth genuine effort to get to know Mavis and develop a deeper connection as he continues to grow as a person. If Johnny had this kind of character development, he could still be the relatable “Everyman” that the filmmakers want him to be, while also having a more fleshed out personality. It wouldn’t be the biggest change, but it would make him even more relatable, while also giving some added weight to the relationship dynamic between him and Mavis. I do love this movie, but Johnny, as he is written, is a pretty one-dimensional character.
@sev11202 жыл бұрын
Maybe play into this humbling act: Maybe his overconfidence would itself be the act? He would try to "fake it till you make it". When Mavis would confront him about his arrogance, Johnny would confront her about pretending she's normal, and him finding it condescending. He would be a bit of a socially awkward goof who tries to be accepted, but without this insane overconfident act he'd just be another face in the crowd
@jackepong63002 жыл бұрын
I think its having a flaw of the human condition that is common is what makes a character actually relatable. You dont actually have to have the everyman trope for them to be liked. You just need to play on a flaw most people have. Again spot on with being maybe too confident and getting cocky or being a little too anxious. Like someone who acts with best intentions but cant control how everyone responds to their actions but wants to earn everyone's approval enough to fit in. But then learns you dont need to do that in order for people to respect you. Thats a good everyman setup. It plays on our collectivism mindset and our internal fear/need of wanting to find where we fit amongst our other peers. And maybe learning we dont need to fit it in there at all, just need to be a better person from learning with humility.
@onishojo94302 жыл бұрын
TLDR: he's a Gary Stu (the male Mary Sue counterpart)
@candysue42602 жыл бұрын
That's too basic a cliche to be interesting.
@wolfsongrising2 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie I started reading this and immediately just found myself thinking about Guy from The Croods - a movie I honestly absolutely despise with every fiber of my being. I would probably rewatch the Hotel Transylvania sequels over it again and I didn't care for those either 😂 I'm just so sick of those types of characters who are basically allowed to walk on sunshine and rainbows for absolutely *no reason whatsofreakingever*. They didn't earn it, didn't do nothing for it, they're just given everything because the rules of the universe just bend to allow them their way. Johnny wasn't even that bad, he was just friggin' bland, but at least he got an eyeroll sometimes. Guy couldn't even get that from me.
@lilil97522 жыл бұрын
I honestly never liked Johnny, didn't hate him but i found him too annoying. And tbh he doesn't strikes me as a person who is mature enought to have a child (compare him to Mavis who does seem young but does act like a new mom) the bad thing is that i love Andy Samberg,i think he is a very funny a charming guy,deserved a better character
@namantherockstar2 жыл бұрын
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@alissaoldham71282 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@kittykittybangbang93672 жыл бұрын
I often feel like Johnny was a form a self insert for the writers or crew (it obviously couldn't be genndy tartakovsky because he actually has a wife and a child.) I've that is super common for male writers to self insert themselves into a story, and have that character in up with their ideal dream girl. Which is why tropes like the magical girlfriend, boy meets ghoul, and manic pixie dream girl are super common; and why you hardly ever see genderbend version of those tropes. Also I've heard that Mavis was originally for a different movie. And I think in that movie Mavis would have fall in love with the descendant of Van Helsing.
@fatty10402 жыл бұрын
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Yeah man how dare these writers use their own personal imagination to create a FANTASY WORLD that they made themselves. Thats how all writing works not just "MALE WRITERS GRR" lol. Granted they should've made his character better but you know why they didnt?.....idiots are objectively funny for kids. Mavis loving an idiot is literally the joke and plot of the first movie. Not to even mention shes not the main reason people watched the movie. They watched it for MONSTERS haha.
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@yvaincallipso842 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest, Mavis treats Johnny as more of a pet than a husband.
@kuroservamp96732 жыл бұрын
Because he doesn't act like a husband - he still behaves like an irresponsible teen. How is she supposed to treat him like an adult when (mentally) he isn't one.
@lukelichtenthal54072 жыл бұрын
@@kuroservamp9673 Peter Griffin in a nutshell. Except Johnny isn’t a dick like Peter.
@Raccon_Detective.2 жыл бұрын
So Mavis is Omni-Man.
@Popgurliess2 жыл бұрын
@@kuroservamp9673 yeah. girl deserves better
@demsey7650 Жыл бұрын
If that was the case I wish I was johnny
@merlinrecon7528 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing about johnny is that in the first movie, he actually has depth to his character. He's experienced because he's travelled around the world he has many skills and stories that helps him become popular and interesting with the monster. He's understand the reason for dracula's hate of human and doesn't judge dracula for it. He's compasionate because he willingly reject mavis because of drakula's wish. He's kind because he even managed to get dracula to open up to him and finally human. He has so much potential in the first movie and it's a damn shame he didn't get the chance to actually be developed and instead reduce to a bumbling mediocer idiot
@brookeboehm71742 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that a lot of people seem to gloss over this one fact. Mavis and Dennis are functionally immortal, however Johnny is very much human (stated repeatedly throughout the film). Johnny is going to age while his wife and child stay the same, Mavis is going to have to one day watch her husband slowly die. Unless she turns him into a vampire, time is going to slowly take away their life together.
@thefnafdetective2 жыл бұрын
Same with dracula and erika. Like, she’s already atleast 50 - 60. She’s going to die and leave drac alone again
@ambidreaming2 жыл бұрын
@@thefnafdetective LMAO what makes you think Ericka is 50 to 60??? Because her hair is white?
@persephone93072 жыл бұрын
@@ambidreaming I think I saw somewhere that shes in her 40s
@ambidreaming2 жыл бұрын
@@persephone9307 I'll believe 40s. That makes more sense
@themostsupernova2 жыл бұрын
Any time I have the misfortune to watch these minutes, I think this exact thought
@Rosemont1042 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing up that "problem meets solution" type pairing. It's contrived, more often that not. I can understand falling for one's opposite or looking for someone with something you lack, but there's surely a way to make it more organic than the filters on a dating app. As for audience surrogates, whether it's a schlubby manchild or mousy schoolgirl, a flat (well, flatter) half of a pairing never makes for a compelling love story.
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@IamaPERSON2 жыл бұрын
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@kittykittybangbang93672 жыл бұрын
The opposite attract trope (as well as the belligerent sexual tension trope) are so problematic, and I feel like the it even influences people's perception of the real world as well. There was this one kid in my culinary class who I hated, and could not stand. I told one of my classes my frustrations with him, and one kid legitimately thought that I had a crush on him when I obviously didn't. Luckily that kid moved and that class was only one semester, so I don't have to deal with either of them now.
@handsoapinc2 жыл бұрын
10:20 I'm going to disagree that Milo Thatch is an "Everyman". Being the Cartographer and Linguist with a passion for researching dead Languages, Ancient Civilizations, and Classical History, it gives him his own unique character. He's less of an "Audience Insert" and more of an "Idealized Hero"; he's smart, and despite how Physically Weak he is, he still actively involves himself in the Action (and manages to best people physically stronger than him with quick thinking). I don't think we were ever supposed to think we were Milo Thatch, but we were most certainly supposed to empathize with him and admire him. (Also, can we acknowledge that Milo Thatch is just Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1 ripped Wholesale).
@PoliticalWEasel2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Milo is way too smart and nerdy to be an everyman, he deciphers and learns to speak a "dead language," which is one of the biggest reasons that he gets the girl. More like a super scholar than an everyman
@King-Of-Dragons2 жыл бұрын
Omg I never thought he was a wholesale rip of Daniel but now I can't unsee this lmao
@jjcymbolic2 жыл бұрын
So much agree. I was going to say that I wish I had the same skills as Milo. He has that more goofy behavior, but it hits so, so different. It isn't goofy to make him funny, he's like that to stand out from all these serious adventurers with an agenda so unlike his own. He's there to exist in the beauty of this hidden history that he's been dreaming of since he was a kid. Everyone else arrived for money... Sure, he's the key to a lot of issues occurring within Atlantis, but not just for her, but for an entire people. If it wasn't for his admiration and love for knowledge, the people would have continued to be stuck in their past. Kita's interest for him is similar to Astrid's in How To Train Your Dragon. At first it seems shallow, but then you remember a quote she once said, "Is this some kind of a joke to you? Our parents war is about to become ours. Figure out what side you're on." Her everything is protecting her people, so when she rode on the back of a dragon, it was basically of, 'this is it. Who else could I respect more than a person who has befriended the very beast we fear?' And, with watching the series, that becomes even more clear when her parents were nearly brought down. She seeks comfort and protection.
@southernfriedscandal90042 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@playertree84132 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you
@Nick-nb2oz2 жыл бұрын
agree with everything but the comparison with the disney Atlantis movie, cuz that guy wasn't an "everyman", not only he was actually hot, wasn't he brought along cuz he knew stuff and he was like super smart or something, I may be wrong here but I remember something along those lines, like, he had a purpose and a talent
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
Milo was a linguistic genius, his entire thing was that he can actually read the language that noone else could, and he was a nerd with a wide arrange of knowledge and topics. He's not the everyday man.
@Nick-nb2oz2 жыл бұрын
@@insertname3977 exactly!
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-nb2oz That being said, neither is Johnny in this case, especially when the "everyman" trope is suppose to be characters like Homer Simpson or the Hobbits from LOTR. The everyman is suppose to be a person who doesn't want to do anything outside of their safe bubbles even if the plot usually requires them to do so, and aren't considered special in any meaningful way (the Hobbits were only considered as special as they were because of how "normal" they are). Nor do they have any special skill or drive to do things that normal people wouldn't unless pushed into such a situation. Johnny is shown to be a rather oddball of a person who isn't really like the majority of people from both his universe (remember how his mother was only able to find one other couple between human and monster?) and the selected audience (children, and your typical 9 to 5 working adult). He's more of the "free spirit" archetype of character who are attributed as being laid back, easy going, and typically of a surfer dude/stoner mannerisms.
@restingsadface2 жыл бұрын
I think Johnny is the poster boy for why having “relatable” be the start and end of their personality is a bad thing. because if you can’t relate to them (which I don’t) then there’s literally nothing to like about them. you can have a character be relatable, but you have to give them a personality or a hobby or something to grab onto. and this is a love story, so having a likable lead is kind of important in this genre lmao
@derpfluidvariant09162 жыл бұрын
Wasn't him being a horror nerd and being educated in the local stories and rumors a big thing in the first movie?
@explodinglungs59742 жыл бұрын
@@derpfluidvariant0916 God I wish they continued with that Johnny. Who knows, maybe they could've shown a scene with him and Van Helsing bonding over mythical creature legends and all that good stuff
@astrocake5842 жыл бұрын
@@derpfluidvariant0916 Totally. If you re watch the first movie and compare with the boat cruise one (I don’t even know how many fucking movies there at this point) he is so much knowledgeable in the first. I can actually stand to watch him; he’s just this monster believer dude who likes to adventure. But in the other movies, they like made him denser and it’s so annoying to watch.
@Moony.fairyy2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the guy in the video stating he was the “relatable” guy couldn’t find the right term because it’s obvious they were going for this like stoner teen surf / skateboarding type of guy ya know and it’s not really that relatable with the teen to kid audiences nor the adults who probably mostly have a opinion on the film because children really don’t care and teens eh maybe a few of em but yeah
@macdoeman45602 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Also, love your screen name!
@pcykedman63332 жыл бұрын
From what Iv'e heard, apparently Mavis was going to originally be used in a romantic drama, but that ended up getting scrapped, and so her character(which had already been designed)was used for hotel Transylvania. If you think about it that way, it actually make sense why her character seems to stand out so much in the first movie, besides her just being, "the pretty one", especially in comparison to the goofy designs of every other character in the series.
@fangirl4life5ever2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing that Mavis is from a cancelled movie but you wouldn't happen to have a source, would you? The HT and Sony Animation wikis are of little help and aren't exactly organized/reliable
@DuskPShermanWallaby1232 жыл бұрын
Woah really? That's cool
@istoppedcaring62092 жыл бұрын
maybe it does, I don't actually like the design of most of the characters, you can't take them seriously, none of them are of any consequence in anything really, they are background goofyness
@southparkfirefly2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing she was supposed to be a Teenager too which explains why she literally looks only about 14 or 15 (ignoring her immortality thing). It's really weird to see the two with a kid because I can't get over how young the parents look.
@noppetynope16082 жыл бұрын
@@southparkfirefly yeah I agree. Also I've read a comment here that said Mavis was originally going to be in a movie where she fell in love with a descendant of Van Helsing. I don't know if it's true tho
@dr.wolfstar17652 жыл бұрын
To be fair Mega mind DESTROYED this trope and told the honest truth about the "nice guy" "everyman"
@arthurg.calixto33382 жыл бұрын
it was more of a proto-incel thing but alright
@tyreviews67742 жыл бұрын
The movie was ahead of its time for sure
@j0hnicide2 жыл бұрын
damn bro just let ugly guys be ugly guys :(
@nicoleflores20542 жыл бұрын
@@j0hnicide Hal was way too different than the example you're giving, the moment he got powers, the moment his true colors come to light.
@kittykittybangbang93672 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but Megamind also did the enemies to lovers trope perfectly and they did not make it toxic or problematic.
@Doomzdeh6 ай бұрын
Hotel Trannsylvania 2 should’ve been about Mavis and Johnny traveling the world and learning more about each other tbh. Have them struggle because the other doesn’t fit the idealized version that they built up in their head. Could’ve been great tbh.
@seigeengine4 ай бұрын
This. Sequels are noxious garbage.
@AdorableFloof19992 жыл бұрын
Yknow honestly, I like the relationship with Drac and Johnny more. They bring out better parts of each other by the end of the first movie with Drac grounding Johnny a bit by telling him about himself and making Johnny actually be a bit responsible by leaving while Johnny gets Drac to have fun and helps Drac with his misanthropy. So I'd have enjoyed it even more if it was like a bromance movie instead.
@nicoleflores20542 жыл бұрын
funny enough, there IS a ship between those two and seeing the fanart (no, not that kind of fanart-) they kind of work?? i don't know
@AdorableFloof19992 жыл бұрын
@@nicoleflores2054 I ship it
@nicoleflores20542 жыл бұрын
@@AdorableFloof1999 then you'll definitely love the AU's and fanarts out there of those two
@gumbo342 жыл бұрын
andddd now I hate you both
@AdorableFloof19992 жыл бұрын
@@gumbo34 lol
@youjustgotburned39802 жыл бұрын
Notice how the girl is always the one who's put together and not troublesome? Like, you've NEVER seenamovie or cartoon about a bad girl with issues being saved by a focused Chad. Or a slacker girl who gets a guy who has his life put together. No instead,you find it's always the guy with issues that needs to be redeemed by a decent girl. Well,for once I'd like a decent girl to end up with a decent guy. Let the bad boys end up with a bad girl or the slacker guy end up with the slacker girl. They CHOSE that for themselves
@Marina_72 жыл бұрын
Yes! I also don't really remember seeing movies where the mom is goofy, relaxed and playful while the dad is constantly worried about the kid. The only type of non-serious mom that I can quickly recall is the divorcee that travels a lot or brings a lot of men home. I want to see moms genuinely play with their kids more, not just always clean and cook while the dad gets to have fun or sit around.
@Lee-cr6xb2 жыл бұрын
I also found that a bit annoying xd Nowadays, we're getting more hyperactive, not so prudent female protagonists in cartoons. I know a few examples of movies/cartoons where girls aren't this perfect: Gravity Falls Miraculous Ladybug Metal Family Problem child
@magmatard87372 жыл бұрын
I think it would be a lot better if the characters bring out better traits in one another. Like Busy Body boy and the slacker girl have a shared interest. They get together Slacker girl doesn't slack off as often, and Busy Body boy learns to relax. I just want to see two characters that make one another better cause thats what the ideal relationship is.
@Twat_Dirt2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen that trope, but in books (and some terrible Disney channel movies) and it’s equally as bad as this one. I prefer the trope where both of them have flaws instead of one being better than the other.
@Twat_Dirt2 жыл бұрын
@@Lee-cr6xb Marianette is a total mary sue tho
@SNSth3creat0r2 жыл бұрын
"To willing to lie to his wife so his father in law can abuse abuse his grandson into having vampire puberty" I just realized how f up this series is 💀
@midnights2631 Жыл бұрын
Same.
@Pinz12 Жыл бұрын
Same..
@mcrain1283 Жыл бұрын
this sentence messed up my thoughts can you explain in a human way
@mado-wh4jv Жыл бұрын
@@mcrain1283Is just a purposely dark way to say "Funny dad, lies to helicopter mom so the grandad and grandson can spent time together" Except that the grandad is actually grooming the child into becoming a old fashioned vampire at the age of 5 when Mavis was like 44 years old when she first learned to turn into a bat.
@alythiahuilar8755 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I should stop watching Hotel Transylvania
@NefariousDreary Жыл бұрын
Facts. Honestly, with Atlantis, Milo is a catch just from his smarts, determination, bravery, love for exploration. He def has it going on for himself.
@BananaTheNinja2 жыл бұрын
The trope I hate is "dance sequences because kids think dancing is funny" These movies are huge offenders, like "Oh watch the old people dance to hip musics" like please stop.
@youjustgotburned39802 жыл бұрын
And the excessive singing too. It's so cringe tbh
@IATEALLTHECHEESE2 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion but I genuinely love the old people dancing to modern music trope. Still think it's pretty funny, but that's just me
@nicoleflores20542 жыл бұрын
the only exception that does this trope right is Shrek, change my mind.
@youjustgotburned39802 жыл бұрын
@@IATEALLTHECHEESE maybe cz you're "CHEESY" (I'm sorry, I could resist was referring to your username 😂)
@IATEALLTHECHEESE2 жыл бұрын
@@youjustgotburned3980 lmaoo you're not wrong
@Luc422 жыл бұрын
I've found that you need two things to make a complex character: 1. Who they are 2. Why they are who they are Example: Dracula is an overprotective father BECAUSE monsters and he himself have been ostracized and demonized by humans for centuries. Johnny is a goofball BECAUSE the plot needs him to be a goofball
@Kajnake2 жыл бұрын
*Johny is a goofball BECAUSE there are no other character traits we can recover from this
@razkable2 жыл бұрын
You can be the every man but you need some qualities that make you stand out or you need to do things that make you a great choice in fans eyes for a good girl...if you save people cool..if you help people cool...don't be the bland useless everyman that has no traits worth marrying...
@Drawing4Justice2 жыл бұрын
That’s actually very solid advice
@sayba67662 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@CattyLoveKittenLove2 жыл бұрын
But are there any reasons for a person to be a goofball really? It's like a personality trait, something you are born with. Dracula's overprotectiveness is a behaviour trait.
@TripleM242 жыл бұрын
America has this weird obsession with praising mediocrity and it permeates into every facet of our society. I'm sick of it in movies and I'm sick of the "capable, strong, and nuturing" female lead having to deal with the ridiculous antics of the man-child that she is more like a mother to than a wife. The trope is gross and especially has no business in media aimed at children or teens.
@TheSultan14702 жыл бұрын
Good comment.
@artsydraws35552 жыл бұрын
I agree, and it sorta makes children believe that dads don’t have to do their part as fathers, aswell as husbands
@ChangedMyNameFinally692 жыл бұрын
@Prey R What's wrong with single moms?
@ChangedMyNameFinally692 жыл бұрын
It's funny people try to say that trope hates men when it's the opposite, it basically rewards their bad behavior
@PMnLC2 жыл бұрын
@Prey R when you look at denmark there isnt a big difference between single parent child and two parent child. Meaning Its america that fucked somwthing up.
@бронза.вафля.конус6 ай бұрын
The scream cheese was the most memorable character for me. I forget this entire movie series but the scream cheese has stayed with me for years. Its so cute
@urafaget52022 жыл бұрын
"Aladdin isnt meant to be an everyman because he's meant to be poor" Dunno, that's pretty relatable to me
@summonersriftgarbage4426 Жыл бұрын
Yyyyyeah, plus where the movie takes place pretty much everyone is dirt poor soooo it is the Everyman and his only talent is singing and finding a magical lamp
@witchfromghibli5933 Жыл бұрын
Indeed
@confusedpozole406 Жыл бұрын
@@summonersriftgarbage4426 Yeah but Aladdin, unlike this guy, actually tries VERY HARD to win Jasmine’s heart and like…saves the kingdom from Jaffar.
@shcdemolisher Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@royalpancakes780711 ай бұрын
@summonersriftgarbage4426 Aladdin has, on multiple occasions, been depicted as cunning and proactive, like how he fooled genie for a free wish, saved jasmine from getting her arm chopped off by pretending she's his crazy relative and fooled Jafar into turning into a genie to exploit the lamp weakness, Aladdin is supposed to be a quick witted underdog.
@mongo46852 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Johnny was replaced with a Simon Belmont type dude who came to the hotel to kill Dracula, that would be kinda cool seeing him and Dracula start off trying to kill eachother, then try to tolerate eachother for mavis’ sake
@Sephelions2 жыл бұрын
So, Johnny but Ericka?
@dane40732 жыл бұрын
Like Dracula asking for him just to wait till after her birthday to start trying to kill on anothe.
@nikkinorman42542 жыл бұрын
I wish Jhonny had a cooler appearance/personality like Danny Phantom when he wasn't in his phantom form... He would've been so much more of an attractive character and desirable person/connection with Mavis
@duellstaples20942 жыл бұрын
Actually the original concept was where Johnny was actually Van Helsing.
@habijjj2 жыл бұрын
@@nikkinorman4254 except dennisovich is absolutely adorable and wouldn't want him looking any other way.
@feegagsart16832 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Johnny was tolerable in the first film. AND ONLY THE FIRST FILM. They were teens. Young love, and Mavis didn’t have any clue about the world outside of the hotel so I can understand the direction the first film was going. After that, when Sony made more movies, I find it baffling that they were still together, and had a kid. Johnny hasn’t changed even the slightest bit. He had no character growth. It pisses me off. I can’t believe Mavis would even consider staying and raising a child with that fool. Divorce him.
@eatatjoes67512 жыл бұрын
That's why I hate it now.
@flask2232 жыл бұрын
Johnny was a full adult tho lmao
@assiafalihp98502 жыл бұрын
Heavy on them having a kid😂 like??? The kid cute tho
@BocchiThePMC2 жыл бұрын
I think Jhonny still was a good dad behind the scenes, he just became comic relief for most of the screentime after the first movie, he also wasn't fully aware of how far drac would go to convert his son and still owed him a lot, yeah I don't think his character is the issue, he has potential (good at playing instruments, has a lot of experience from his travels and knows how to drive properly), it's just how he's portrayed.
@olgagaming55442 жыл бұрын
No, I liked Johnny very much, I wish I had a boyfriend like him xd
@jamiemiller14824 ай бұрын
Nah man the biggest problems with these movies is that Dracula learns the same lesson...IN EVERY SINGLE FILM...
@jhepadidaymaypamoa51722 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree about having everyman trope un Atlantis. Milo is far from being an everyman. He is super cultured, clever and driven. He has hobbies dreams and a strong personnality. He is not only here to make unconfident straight males feel better about their chances to get a bombshell of a girl. He is here to fulfill his dream. Saving Kida becomes a new goal as he fell in love during the movie.
@iwantpancakes8382 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%
@justateapot38472 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Milo is definitely not an everyman, he’s an accomplished linguist who struggles with social interaction but comes into his own as he explores an entirely different culture from his own in the movie. The best part is that at the end of Atlantis, him and Kida don’t kiss, but they instead hug. Their relationship is still obviously hinted at being romantic, but Milo is an excellent diversion from what could’ve been an everyman.
@vullord6662 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The biggest difference for me being that Johnny accidentally ended up at the Hotel. Milo was furiously searching for Atlantis after constant set backs and being told he was a fool, wanting to fufil his life long dream. What sets them apart is having a personality and then seeing that personality further develop through a romantic relationship (not having no personality and the relationship being the entire plot). Also, not sure what average viewer was projecting onto Milo. He literally kickstared an expedition for a new discovery and was a super genius and later tactician.
@sr71silver2 жыл бұрын
Basically, there is a difference between a character having relatable traits and being an everyman.
@Imperviousdragon2 жыл бұрын
Idk I just don't like Johnny and want him out of the movie and replace with someone better
@exchangediary9682 жыл бұрын
anyone else felt super let down when in the second movie , the baby turned out to be a vampire after all? they got so close to the whole idea of just accepting their grandchild the way he is and then threw the idea away
@TaeMelodyy2 жыл бұрын
THIS! I see no one talking about it! The entire theme was acceptance, and then they made him what everyone wanted again.
@Ariel_is_a_dreamer2 жыл бұрын
YES. OMG. Especially because they were using "human" as a clear metaphor for "gay" or "soft"
@avivastudios23112 жыл бұрын
i had the same thought. Thank u. That movie was so close to having a good message and then it threw it away because "climax"
@user-hf1io1gf3q2 жыл бұрын
@@Ariel_is_a_dreamer i really dont think that was the case..
@imnotdrum30372 жыл бұрын
@@Ariel_is_a_dreamer wtf
@elizacomics23292 жыл бұрын
Imagine how good it would have been if Mavis and Johnny just became platonic best friends instead
@nataliehaag35952 жыл бұрын
That sounds waaay better tbh
@jabbathehutt8882 жыл бұрын
Them as friends sound way better oh my God
@JulesHinmon2 жыл бұрын
That would also mean No Dennis.
@jabbathehutt8882 жыл бұрын
@@JulesHinmon i can live with that
@fightingmedialounge5192 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't exactly change much besides giving Dracula something different to be nervous over.
@shubs95322 жыл бұрын
I think the movie would've been better if they didn't include the romantic subplot and Johnny could still exist, but they become friends and Mavis tries to convince her dad to let her travel with him for the movie. Tbh Drac Hardcore believed in the Zing, so it would make more sense to his character to rally that much against it if he wasn't even a zing. Mavis gets to travel in the end and Johnny is just her travel companion. If it develops, it develops, but it would have a better pace for the romantic subplot than the movie. Or a pace at all other than "oop, instant love."
@cloud_catus85002 жыл бұрын
This thought might be a little stupid, but please hear me out: Watching this trope continuously in childhood projects unhealthy expectations in adult life that might be harmful. Girls are taught that they have to be successful in life, because the standard female Charakter is beautiful, successful, quricky and often very perfect. They are also taught that the typical partner would be a lazy butt and that they should settle for that. Boys are taught that they get the hot perfect girl by being a lazy butt and wonder later in life why that doesn't happen. They might even project those expectations (see: "I'm a nice guy, why won't she date me?!" ) onto women and create a miserable spiral where expectations are unrealistic.
@paintbrush35542 жыл бұрын
Nothing but the truth.
@jellynut59032 жыл бұрын
Facts
@quangamershyguyyz71662 жыл бұрын
If anyone in real life actually has those expectations, they’re either extremely gullible or have serious mental problems.
@mimilune27462 жыл бұрын
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 you'd be suprised at how many people are exactly that
@mariesummers.2 жыл бұрын
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 - [This got kinda long, as a warning if anyone clicks read more] I mean, given a lot of behavior, coping methods, habits and reference for normality comes from those you grow up around, the media you're exposed to and the environment you're in, I wouldn't call that being gullible more than having a toxic frame of reference that your young worldview is subconsciously influenced by. We're not talking about someone simply deciding this is how the world works because one person said so. Lots of people have negative biases and beliefs well into adulthood, and merely need time, healthy exposure, a competent social network and the desire to unlearn thought harmful patterns and behaviors that are often so ingrained they manifest without the person even noticing. For a lot of people, negative beliefs and behaviors aren't solely for lack of awareness, but because their brain has literally been brought up on experiences that don't always reflect healthy or common life practices. Those sort of things aren't the kind of things you snap out of because you're not gullible, and toxic ideologies pushed to youth on a mass scale shouldn't be handwaved when later resurfacing in the same youth as them having "serious mental problems." That's like snapping branches when you need to cut the tree, and at the same time degrading lots of capable people when the actual fault is more on the generation before them who raise them up on this thinking.
@perryjohnson20782 жыл бұрын
I felt like Johnny and Mavis would’ve worked if the 2nd film helped change Johnnys personality. It would’ve been kinda funny to see Johnny turn into a more mature father figure for his son, and actually get mad at Drac for trying to force Dennis to be a vampire. I mean Drac not fully excepting Johnny has been a plot point in all of them major or minor. The Second film could’ve actually had Mavis and Johnny wanting to move away since Drac couldn’t except Johnny’s humanity and the possibility of Dennis being a human too.
@jc1979af2 жыл бұрын
Another thing they could have used is the fact that Mavis is a vampire and ages/matures more slowly than humans. It could have been a conflict point where Johnny is more mature than her...sorta a reversal of roles.
@jonquilgemstone2 жыл бұрын
@@jc1979af Exactly! Mavis is over a hundred years old and still has a teenage mindset, yet suddenly she matures at a normal rate? Johnny getting more disciplined and responsible while Mavis is still much like when they first met could have been a great conflict for them to overcome, and a great message about long-term love. Also, why couldn't one of the movies have been a midquel about when they were still just dating?
@kingsadvisor182 жыл бұрын
Wait, how is Atlantis the Lost Empire an everyman story? Milo has a dozen phds, can speak ten different languages, can decipher totally alien languages if he's familiar with its entomology, and can read millennia old maps. He's the awkward super genius trope.
@GokuMcDuck2 жыл бұрын
Plus he is somewhat fit.
@AB-sm1qf2 жыл бұрын
And he’s handsome. He’s just made to showcase a narrow/small framed man, I always thought he reminded me of Jeremy Irons, Sting, Chris Botti, Hugh Grant or Hugh Dancy. He’s pretty and skinny, which makes his expression geeky. He’s not a white savior either. He’s an instrument to Kida, providing light and guidance that she desperately needed. The man literally saves her life, gives her newfound purpose and helps her people. He’s no Everyman the guy’s extraordinary. I love how everyone defends him too.
@Akaritomi2 жыл бұрын
I'm inadequate as fuck compared to Milo. Best I have is an Associate Degree and 3 1/2 languages.
@flask2232 жыл бұрын
And idk if he gets “fixed” or improved by the love interest. I don’t really remember but I don’t think that was their dynamic
@everthon24572 жыл бұрын
@@Akaritomi i mean that's still a lot
@lovetobe6118 Жыл бұрын
I took bigger issue with the whole "zing" thing. I believe it is the most toxic concept in the modern dating world. We stick in abusive relationships, choose to marry less than ideal partners, and have our hearts absolutely broken because we believe the love at first sight idea. Instead of wisely choosing a partner, we choose based on a feeling. My husband and I have a saying. "Love is a choice you make everyday. You don't fall out of love and you don't choose someone to marry based on being in love with them. It has worked very well for us."
@TheWildBrownWolf Жыл бұрын
The thing is though, that "zinging" is something supernatural and obviously mutual. In practice, when two "zing," they will treat each other well. (It's true love and they are basically soul mates)I find this concept of true love in this context to be quite nice. If romantic relationships among monsters were to unfold as they do in humans, then Mavis would have had 20 husbands by the end of her life. Apparently, not only monsters "zing," but also humans with monsters. This is important to avoid creating a toxic imbalance. In the end, "zinging" is something different from love at first sight in humans. Like they said in the movies. "It's a monster thing"
@lad-bo9ll Жыл бұрын
Femenism really killed romance, thanks
@catscanhavelittleasalami11 ай бұрын
yea that zing thing sucks. I get that they tried to make it seem like a cute soulmate thing, but it teaches harmful lessons to children.
@TheWildBrownWolf11 ай бұрын
@@catscanhavelittleasalami Not really.
@lad-bo9ll11 ай бұрын
@@catscanhavelittleasalami love at first sight is as old a tale as anything. The main thing to take away from the zing concept is that it suggests that somewhere out there is someone perfect for u. U may not believe that but i do and i don’t think thats harmful to children at all. What is harmful is so many young people reporting feeling high levels of persistent loneliness that accompanies the belief they will never find their said zing. I also think that reducing love to mere chemicals in the brain and encouraging people to reject traditional values such as marriage and encourage selling themselves is a messed up lesson for kids but most cartoons nowadays push that notion, but hey that feminism. Ig im old school
@Crystlstarrlight2 жыл бұрын
I hate johnny with a passion. What drives me even more insane is that they keep pairing these hundreds of year old creatures with dumb human beings. This would have been awesome to explore monsters who didn't live in the hotel. Mavis discovery the world and having an actual relationship with someone other than a man child.
@Tadpole_Plyrr22 жыл бұрын
Also he’s going to die and leave Mavis alone with their kid
@ceddricc59092 жыл бұрын
@@Tadpole_Plyrr2 welp at least she'll get the better man she deserves but, The series is done now so i couldn't expect much anyways
@EmptyMan0002 жыл бұрын
@@ceddricc5909 What better man? Who's into single mother vampires?
@Noxaluella2 жыл бұрын
@@EmptyMan000 New potential character who will *ZING* with Mavis. Just like Ericka choosing a vampire single father?
@Ellie-bj2uw2 жыл бұрын
@@EmptyMan000 Have you seen Mavis? Regardless of her being a vampire or single or a mother someone will want her! She's not only attractive design wise but also in regards to personality! She's an all around likeable character. I'm quite sure the chances of her finding someone aren't as low as you'd believe.
@redtailarts1012 жыл бұрын
The only everyman I really like is Emmet from Lego Movie, because they play into the fact he's the everyman. They stick a regular guy next to Master Builders. But the Everyman Trope worked with The Lego Movie because a big theme in Lego Movie was that anyone can be special. You don't have to have special powers or even be part of some prophecy (as we find out Vitruvius made up the prophecy) to do great things and be important. Also, Emmet is fun, even while being an everyman. And the reason he gets with Lucy/Wyldestyle is because they _do_ have chemistry.
@Sparkletta2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, i love the lego movies so damn much.
@materialgirl7182 жыл бұрын
The everyman trope is like the male equivalent of the Mary Sue, with a difference: The Mary Sue it's mostly written by insecure girls that wants to be good at everthing to be loved and have everyone's attention. The Everyman is written by grown men who wants to be loved and have everyone's attention doing...literaly nothing.
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
The Everyman trope is represented by Homer Simpson and the Hobbits from LOTR. None of this video was even correct and was just one massive wankfest of an incel shitting on a "free spirit" character who happens to be the romantic interest of said incel's animated waifu.
@kyaksachan502 Жыл бұрын
It's always fucked me up. I remember always told being with my chin high and act mature for foolish bullies. Every single anime is practically an OP everyman or Everyman Harem. Their cast of unique Female cast turned into humble housewives once a choice is made. Boys are allowed to get away with so much and taught its their entitlement. But bring up and it becomes a strawman discourse of EXTREMIST SJW/FEMMIST/LEFTIST and in its like Korean love stories have protagnist treated like actual object/shit towards and ML who are objectively entitled/Stoic/Powerful and its about melting their heart while the female is written to be like a middle schooler's mentality toward love/sex/romance. Girls are told to be everything and when they write their characters as everything they get the criticism society told them specifically to be. Everyman trope is a proganda for males to continue the male narrative that has always existed. The worse part is dynamics. FL in high power? Make her humbled and allowed vulenbarity make her subdued. FL in low power? Put her in an extremely awkward situation which spirals of ultimantions and when she makes a choice her choices are disregarded or made into the villain(or just written as a fucking dumbass)- ML in high power? Object of affection must be won, doesn't matter he's awful, doesn't matter he disregard you, doesn't even matter if all his intentions are awful *wobbfied voice* he changed SLIGHTLY for you! He has heart now. But now can't talk to another man ever and privacy for you isn't an option. Everyman? I don't need personality, just generic stuff and allow you lore dump. I can be a preverted but I'm kind so its okay or its funny, so don't make a big deal about it. I'm probably going to be Overpowered or have an extreme important niche despite being an everyman. ML in underdog situation/poor? Plot armor for practically everything. Any wrongdoing I did was excusable and I can do it but not you. You should be sympathetic towards me because I suffered. Oh you suffered too? Well, we superficially connect on it, I use it against you and its potrayed in a good way, or I never acknowledge it anyway. (I can never get over P5 after saving the OG trio and then telling the blonde she has to get naked or something and the blond friend wants to see it despite that fact Blonde was being stalked/Harrassed the mission prior and there'd been empathises on that, like it fucked up. It's fucking disgusting) Ah Everyman and Mary Sues tropes are just born out of incredible amount of self desire made because we live in this fuck up gendered systematic structure that almost never helped anybody ever.
@LoveAndSnapple Жыл бұрын
@@kyaksachan502 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@capitalistamalvadao4278 Жыл бұрын
Nah. The Mary Sue can still be worse than that. Just look at twilight.
@capitalistamalvadao4278 Жыл бұрын
@@kyaksachan502 Have you watched Western movies and series recently? Were living the era of Mary Sues and Stupid Man.
@Happiheaded Жыл бұрын
Johnny could’ve just been a himbo. That would’ve worked.
@Caelifer.7 ай бұрын
That would literally patch up so many blring plot holes
@Shoxic6665 ай бұрын
If he'd had a sixpack then nobody would be complaining lmao, least of all the female audience.
@1dcondave2 жыл бұрын
The "EveryMan" trope can't function without the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope, of gals like Mavis who only like him because she doesn't know better
@healgoth2 жыл бұрын
Tossing in a little of that “immortal so she can look like a child forever” trope that anime loves so much
@yamyam4932 жыл бұрын
Literally Stranger Things El and Mike. El falls into the 'born sexy yesterday' trope almost perfectly (with a few variations because she is still a child and so 'sexy' isn't a term I would use to describe her ever.) Mike is the first real person to show her kindness. She basically does everything he tells her to do, except when Max comes in to tell her what to do. Season 4 doesn't fair much better with El basing her entire personality on anything Mike does. Mike isn't in love with her, she'll make him in love with her and run away to become a superhero. It's really kinda dumb. I really don't think the Duffer brothers know how to write female characters very well.
@jinx88732 жыл бұрын
Well said pal
@toxihex8762 жыл бұрын
@@yamyam493 oh my god yes, I hated the 4th season so much. I basically skipped through the last few episodes just to see how it ends. It was so fucked how they gaybaited the audience making them think the thing Will drew would be romantic, and it's actually Mike and El's plot device for a romantic subplot development, whereas Will only got a silent cry in anguish. I hated it in the Chucky tv series too, where the love interest had zero personality and was simply the gay poc token who could've been substituted with anyone else of the same description and nothing would've changed. Same "born sexy yesterday" thing where the main character is brave, charming, funny, complicated, passionate about something dear to their heart and their love interest is literally the only random gay person without personality or anything visual that makes them memorable or unique in any way just to be the damsel in distress because HE was obsessed with the main character and wove his way into his life. Same with the Loki series where even though Loki is a staple Tumblr hot guy, he bonded with his female counterpart over being unlucky in love. A guy who has lived for some thousand years falls in love for the first time with the first relatable person in his proximity who shows interest in him. At least Harley and The Joker had some sort of exciting dynamic. What does it say about media if the number 1 shipped movie couple is the most dysfunctional relationship goal you can think of?
@paleasaghost-57992 жыл бұрын
So your first girl didnt know better?
@spiffygroove2 жыл бұрын
I firmly believe that media that promotes this kind of trope is a massive part in why incel culture exists. Boys grow up watching average men being fawned over by women and this teaches them to expect women to fall for them and treat them like they're the world. They come to feel that just by existing, they are entitled to this treatment, but once they are faced with real life women and not the characters they grew up watching and their expectations aren't fulfilled, they become bitter and hateful. This cycle is so toxic to everyone involved and it has always weirded me out how shows and movies feed into it
@Hektols2 жыл бұрын
And outside the media girls are told all time that they deserve 8-10 rate guys regardless their own rating.
@Envy_May2 жыл бұрын
@@Hektols are you talking about numerical looks ratings ? because that's ridiculous and no one meant that to begin with
@Hektols2 жыл бұрын
@@Envy_May It happens, lots modern women have ridiculous high standards while they don't offer anything worth mentioning to the relationship besides their looks.
@Envy_May2 жыл бұрын
@@Hektols then why does it matter ? shallow people aren't worth the time anyway
@StarryNightxx2 жыл бұрын
Legit, in every movie about a girl, she has to change her entire appearance and everything about herself to get the guy in the end. Every movie about a guy he doesn't have to change anything, if the girl still rejects him by the end she's painted as "oh she's just shallow, she shouldn't be judging you for your looks"! (Even though he spends the whole movie pining after a girl...because of her looks)
@Lu_R2 жыл бұрын
what always pissed me off is how both Marvis and Johnny stay the same in sequels. They are married adults for crying out loud. You can make some point for Marvis because she's a vampire but it would be nice if they looked slightly more mature as the story moved on (yes, young married couples don't suddenly change overnight I know but the time still pases)
@DaDunge2 жыл бұрын
Because no one wants to see them up to their elbows in diapers and with all the signs of sleep deprivaiton
@smartalex222 жыл бұрын
@@DaDunge But think of the comedy!
@greenbanana10012 жыл бұрын
Yea they act immature for parents and still dress like teenagers
@Antsaboy942 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm 28 and look still the same as I did two years ago ... right?
@ineedabadbleep15572 жыл бұрын
fr mavis looks like a teenager
@wildhogOW6 ай бұрын
I worked on the first Hotel Transylvania. I can confirm that the character designers and animators knew exactly what they were doing with Mavis.
@Rosa-he6xb2 жыл бұрын
You know I can’t remember if this is true or what, but I remember once hearing about how Johnny was originally going to be a vampire Hunter coming to the hotel and then falling in love with Mavis. Is it the most original idea in the world? No, but it’s more interesting as it makes what Drac is so worried about a bit true and does gives that change of world view type of development(which while the third movie was basically just a summer movie done for money, I did like the chemistry between Drac and Ericka which is this idea explored kinda). Either way thank goodness there’s always better couples with better chemistry in other shows/movies.
@fangirl4life5ever2 жыл бұрын
It's true! Johnny was originally going to be a Van Helsing named Simon. From what I've read, him and Mavis where gonna have a sort of Romeo and Juliet conflict with the two trying to get their families to see eye to eye or something along the lines of trying to make their relationship work
@blackheartthedarklord64282 жыл бұрын
I would have taken that over this Johnny! Hell, why not take it a step further and say his family is from a long line of monster hunters, who believed that monsters no longer existed, while still having the knowledge of monsters.
@sev11202 жыл бұрын
Hell! I don't care if he was an amateur vampire hunter who was terrible at hunting monsters and just stumbled into success and somehow managed to make it work
@GINSHOTGUN2 жыл бұрын
This honestly would've been way more interesting
@nickifill17722 жыл бұрын
@@blackheartthedarklord6428 that whould be so much better than what they did with Johnny characters in the movie they should have had Johnny be a antagonist towards Mavis by trying to hunter her to make his family happy then give him a redemption arc where he falls in love with Mavis that whould make this character more interesting instead of making me a man child who really annyoing and dumb
@emilierekdal51182 жыл бұрын
Yeah there has been a huge change in Johnny’s personality since the first film. Unpopular opinion, but I was ok with Johnny’s character in the first film, saw nothing wrong with it. But as soon as hotel Transylvania 2 came out it all started to go down hill. He completely lost his previous personality as the fun free spirited guy, and gained the personality of just… stupid, and even more annoying. At least he could be a LITTLE more serious in the first film, but now whenever he shows negative emotions it’s really hard to buy. He seems less of a person, less human.
@wolvesofabyss82352 жыл бұрын
I will agree, even in the first film he had some redeemable characteristics and even hinted some critical thinking behind those bland eyes. It was nice to see him in some more serious scenes as well in the first movie without being the comic relief. I really do not understand why they did not keep this side of his character while also making him fun for the viewers in the rest of the movies.
@ULTIMATZEKROM2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@aojet2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad someone else sees this because I think the same about the character
@puripurimimi28032 жыл бұрын
Same, at the first movie I liked him, he was not super cool but I liked his personality and goofy way, but in the sequels he went down hills at a point he agreed to distract and lie to Mavis about what his own son and Dracula doing! He should be the first one to disagree completely with the idea of Dracula and supporting to love his son no matter what he is. Honestly I have certain doubts about if was right they stay in Transilvania, i would like to see how Mavis could adapt and live in John's scenario. Since she likes that much travel I would like to see how would be if she's not only on the hotel.
@francescapaladini57632 жыл бұрын
@@puripurimimi2803 To be fair, the only interesting part of Johnny in HT 2 is how clearly he hated his life at home, that's the reason he was away so often. It's clear he didn't stand his conformist family and he was unhappy living there, and I think he honestly thought Dannis would be unhappy there too. Too bad they didn't explore that side of the story.
@fandemusique46932 жыл бұрын
The problem really is how he didn't evolved. Like holy shit, they could had made him evolved
@ImaNerdANDaGeek2 жыл бұрын
He actually seemed like he was a lot denser in the third movie compared to the first. Like his character degraded instead of grew.
@strawberryhellcat47382 жыл бұрын
Yes, he could have evolved into an entertaining, more mature "Jimmy Stewart" type of Everyman - who finds himself in bizarre situations because of his wife, son and extended family. Any change to his "rinse/repeat" interactions with Dracula would have made for much better sequels.
@screamqueen38232 жыл бұрын
That's my problem with johnny. I didn't mind the couple but I do understand the dislike when you see that johnny doesn't change or have any type of character development. Even parenthood didn't change him.
@Fitzftw72 жыл бұрын
True. He didn’t even do anything in the second movie, and his only contribution to the third was DJing. He’s 8 years older, almost 30 and has a kid in Part 2; you’d think he’d be a little more mature, wiser, or just DIFFERENT in some capacity.
@isaiahrivers71172 жыл бұрын
Guess the writers didn't even know what to do with Johnny so they just made him a comic relief and whatnot, which sucks since i believe Johnny could've had an arc or so where he would grow and have actual character development if the writers could've tried.
@karolkwiecjasz93565 ай бұрын
I disagree on the Milo from Atlantis Lost Empire comparision. Milo is extremely well read and a great linguist, skillful enough to fill his grandfathers shoes. He does have actual hard to come-by skills and drive to work. He is the audience insert because he is relatively inexperienced in the field and an outsider to the rest of the expedition, so we discover with him both the world of Atlantis and the guys who work to make money off it.
@shantichislon41292 жыл бұрын
Milo is not an Every Man. He's a linguist/cartography expert, dangit!
@Whxyte2 жыл бұрын
yeah, he's just socially awkward; he still has more of a backbone and character than johnny.
@hodzal52582 жыл бұрын
Plus he’s actually popular with the female audience/gaze
@pleisha2 жыл бұрын
@@hodzal5258 A mature, sympathetic, cute man that is smart and knowledgeable in a lot of fields (including common ones)? Hell yes, that is a 10 points man, even Helga mentions un the movie how surprising is that he is single
@RandomSwiftie132 жыл бұрын
Who is Milo?
@siriloveyou26532 жыл бұрын
@@RandomSwiftie13 I think they're talking about Milo Thatch
@Cedarzz2 жыл бұрын
i had a dream about hotel transylvania where mavis and johnny actually get divorced/were on the verge of a divorce and he goes thru a whole character arch about growing up and becoming a more mature person while maintaining his old interests and essentially finding a way to have a balance in his life between being an absolute needy nerd/manchild and a mature adult like Mavis. basically, he had to prove he could be More than just the everyman trope. i hated the dream because throughout the whole thing CAKE BY THE OCEAN PLAYED. CONSTANTLY. made it into a really shitty dream movie.
@karolinamikeskova8043 Жыл бұрын
Damn
@senselesschiId Жыл бұрын
@@TheMrCleanSCREAMINGGGG-
@TheWildBrownWolf Жыл бұрын
There isn't probably much more everyman, than being forced by a partner to change.
@mooneko_007311 ай бұрын
Cake by the ocean LMFAO
@Ruthvika_Rajesh11 ай бұрын
Why is this better than most movie prompts? When this gets made Cake By The Ocean better be playing the entire time
@jonquilgemstone2 жыл бұрын
It's a shame they kept Johnny as an immature man-child who never grew. In the first film, he really served the function of helping others around him grow and change, but the writers withheld that gift from him 😔 Edit: As for the sunrise scene, it could have been Mavis watching the sunrise as per her usual habit and sharing that with Johnny. A sweet moment in which she shares what she loves with him, he falls for the dreamer quality she has, and she feels safe sharing her secrets and desires with him.
@jackphoto8816 Жыл бұрын
The thing is I can understand why she fell for Johnny in the first movie. He was more than just the every goofy man. He was interested in the world and very social with a friendly demeanor. Hell we literally see him use his knowledge of the world that he not only likes to see but learn about when drac showed his wife to him. Johnny wasn’t a dumb weirdo, he was smart and extroverted but it was so heavily underutilized. They focused more on his quirks than his pretty great traits, in the second movie it could have been about Johnny taking mavis to see the world and showing off his knowledge maybe make it him trying to juggle his tendencies to not be able to stay in one place for long and give attention to mavis on the trip. It could’ve been a great way to show how smart about the world Johnny actually is, they kept him as a doofus instead of the great parts of him we saw in the first movie. It annoyed the hell out of me.
@adanalyst69254 ай бұрын
Really this video should be about how the sequels are just direct-to-video quality and "flanderize" the characters.
@armedwithwings66682 жыл бұрын
You're fucking spot on man. I'll be honest, I've started seeing this everywhere. Cool, quirky, fleshed out good character female lead falls for that random guy who, and I can't stress this enough, has 11/10 qualities of a reddit mod.
@armedwithwings66682 жыл бұрын
I stand by this even now
@insertname39772 жыл бұрын
@@armedwithwings6668 Which is funny because this guy is nothing more than an incel themselves.
@jaohonaxa2 жыл бұрын
This is what bugs me about the premise of the fourth movie. Dracula had every reason to be hesitant about giving the hotel to Johnny because he’s a screw up, but they decided to treat it like he still had human issues, which he’s overcome repeatedly throughout the franchise. Then instead of having Johnny go through some actual development, they just put it all on Dracula.
@kaputt_jay3873 Жыл бұрын
Yeah . . . they did Drac dirty ngl. If I were him, I wouldn't want to give Johnny the hotel either. Not because of his species, but because he'd burn it to the ground within five minutes.
@shipper-of-heart8898 Жыл бұрын
RIght? Like he literally is married to a human in the fourth movie- i think he's pretty over the whole 'humans are awful' view
@Norinia Жыл бұрын
I gotta say, what’s wrong with him not wanting to give his family business (how he wanted it to go anyways) to his blood daughter, who was actively studying and working to take over the hotel? The human thing is very crucial here, given he will die long before his son e v e r reaches full maturity. He’s going to just be a blip on his wife’s lifespan, what’s going to happen if Johnny flips out on his wife one day from a mid life crisis and decides it’s okay to divorce his wife and take the hotel in the divorce? Plus, after the original Hotel Transylvania, all of Johnny’s ideas were Anti-Monster ideas, no matter how much he proclaimed he loved the hotel’s wackiness. (Loudest example I remember is when he called the monster magician’s acts stale just for involving monster physics)
@Warrior20444 ай бұрын
Exactly. It's like in the 4th movie, Dracula goes back to his old ways. And Johnny acts more like a man-child in that movie. Couldn't the writers mature him throughout the franchise? Like, they could've made the 2nd movie of him and Mavis going out on adventures and he would mature more along the way. Then at some point in the 3rd movie (which would be what the 2nd movie is), he would mature even more by the responsibilities as a parent. Then the 4th movie could be about the family going on a vacation and Johnny and Mavis can explore again.
@sevjon412 жыл бұрын
anime, manga and light novel takes this trope to the next level. Some of the most egregious ones can be found in the isekai/harem genre
@daddyhadrian Жыл бұрын
i like reading those (isekais) bc theyre so fucking predictable its funny and they usually have pretty cool powers or abilities that give me inspiration for writing my own stuff.
@LoveAndSnapple Жыл бұрын
As someone who’s been watching anime since the late 90s with my first exposure to harems being Tenchi Muyo I never want to see another isekai and/or harem anime ever again.
@slowyourroll1146 Жыл бұрын
@@LoveAndSnapple The only parts of Tenchi Muyo that are worth acknowledging are the things that aired before 2000 and I will die on this hill
@FunkyDouch300010 ай бұрын
@@LoveAndSnapple you'll find a few good Isekais. occasionally. very fucking rarely. but they can be good. Grimgar is one of my favorites. Though you can make the argument that Grimgar is a rare case of an everyman character done right... I totally get your point though, Isekais and harem animes are a shitty everyman wasteland of garbage.
@OmiTheEel6 ай бұрын
6:47 ok but this is so funny i'd actually love to see a movie that went down that path with dracula shamelessly aiming to kill the protag
@limitless_j2 жыл бұрын
Its always been disgusting to me when a story has a female character fall in love with the first guy she meets after being sheltered her entire life. Its essentially giving the message that naivety can and should be taken advantage of. She falls in love with him, simply because she has nothing else to compare him to. Her standards are ridiculously low, so anything will work. The male love interest could be abusive or manipulative, but because he was the "first guy to watch a sunset with her," hes special. And its only becoming more of an issue in modern media, because no one seems to understand how relationships work. In reality, the cute shut-in girl feels aimless and empty inside because she gave herself up to someone who never earned it. Mavis only stays married to Johnny because she never meets anyone else. She could've met a more passionate and sensible man just by walking down the street
@tothebeyond63182 жыл бұрын
Imagine if she met a total different guy than Johnny I'm sure she'd get zing too
@Popgurliess2 жыл бұрын
@@tothebeyond6318 for some reason i wanna imagine mavis falling for an artist
@ryomoro2 жыл бұрын
Frozen at least did it better, they made Anna finish with the "everyday man" but only because she learned to know him, while she could have finished with the first dude she meet and Disney did a good job for showing "be careful with the first man you meet"
@jostnaleman37382 жыл бұрын
I CAN understand your point but it's dumb to say that you understand relationships when you think ppl choose partners in a comparative way. I'm not the most intelligent, handsome or cute guy in the world but my gf still loves me. Seriously what a bad take
@MohammedAli-hl4mr Жыл бұрын
@@jostnaleman3738 I think you've misunderstood their point. they're saying that mavis has no frame of reference for what a relationship is.
@CalliopePony2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the biggest problems with this trope, particularly with how it is currently utilized, is that the writers try to make an average guy and end making a below-average guy. Real, everyday people have hobbies and interests and skills. Contemporary writers attempting an everyman often end up aiming for the least common denominator and present someone who is bland, unintelligent, has no interests outside of pop culture, and has few if any distinct personality traits.
@princessatellaluma2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!! and this is why this trope sprouts so many incel man babies!!!
@halinaqi21942 жыл бұрын
Thats the problem, you can't have them gain hobbies and character traits like enjoying a certain food, a certain way of dialect etc. Lest tmyou risk them becoming too much of a character the everyman trope basically has everything that would make them unique stripped away.
@CalliopePony2 жыл бұрын
@@halinaqi2194 An everyman doesn't have to be a complete blank slate. They can have a personality. They just need to be broadly relatable to a majority of the audience. Dr. Watson is a classic example. He is relatable to the average person as he follows after the brilliant Sherlock Holmes and has many of the same reactions that an average person would have in such situations. But at the same time he is an intelligent man, a doctor, a war veteran, a skilled marksman, a writer. He's an everyman that allows the audience to insert themselves next to the genius detective, but he still has a character of his own.
@escrivaodegalarran10982 жыл бұрын
You literally end up describing average people because those are also interests of average people.
@hollowwoods71302 жыл бұрын
@@CalliopePony They fr missed with Johnny. He DID have a hobby. Travelling. Learning about cultures and their stories and histories (know this bc he tells Drac the legend) but they do nothing with it
@Zorro91292 жыл бұрын
When you said this was wish fulfillment for manchildren, you were spot-on. It's a serious problem in our culture where people are told they can be shallow, immature, and degenerate and there will be no consequences at all. Mavis' physical design is the only good thing about this movie.
@LangkeeLongkee2 жыл бұрын
Where men*** are told...
@campbelldare57172 жыл бұрын
@@LangkeeLongkee what is men***? I don’t have a clue what that is
@toxihex8762 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Most boomers are in this kind of relationship right now and the women will die without ever knowing true love and what an equal relationship is supposed to be, whereas the men will never truly grow up and don't know why they're so bitter all the time.
@thelonesurvivor39552 жыл бұрын
@@LangkeeLongkee it's actually men that are told they always have to do better,no matter how unrealistic that is. Women in the modern day are the ones who feel entitled to rich handsome men,then "settle" for a perfectly fine,normal guy,then resent him for it. Whatever age you guys are living in is over,in the real world women are the ones with gigantic checklists of requirements to be in a relationship with them,while most guys take the first thing that comes their way and they think that she's all they deserve.
@LangkeeLongkee2 жыл бұрын
@@thelonesurvivor3955 oh no, what a terrible time we live in where women have boundaries and self respect and won't take any thing walking with a third leg between the two. How sad.
@karentorresalfaro3371 Жыл бұрын
Sadly, Jhony was a good match for Mavies in the first movie, they weren't perfect but he was a good option for a first serious relationship. He knew about culture and history, he loved adventure, he was openminded, he was positive and was able to understand and adapt to wherever they are. While they really needed more work in the relationship, he was kind of good when it started, and could have been better with proper development, but they destroyed him in the rest of the movies.
@ShadowSaberBaroxio2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything except for Milo being an Everyman. Dude is 100% nerd. He has distinct physical properties as well as a distinct personality. White Savior, sure, but Everyman? Nope.
@trla65052 жыл бұрын
Every nerd? A lot of people think of themselves as nerds now odays
@Ellie-bj2uw2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people are nerds nowadays. And even if they aren't full on nerds, they do at least have one or some nerdy interests which can make them come off as incredibly nerdy.
@zkme27342 жыл бұрын
@@trla6505 he is more of a professional nerd tho, his life and work has been dedicated to his passion, and thats how he managed to form a bond with Kira and her culture
@trla65052 жыл бұрын
@@zkme2734 he Is a scholar and a nerd, profesionals can have passion and social skills, also anyone who likes to ravel and visits new places could have connected with kiras culture
@FeministCatwoman2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. Nerd = everyman, and it has been that way since the 80s at least.
@Nate-qf5zp2 жыл бұрын
The opinion you hold that can inject Milo from Atlantis in as an everyman is your boldest assertation here. The man speaks several languages living and dead fluently, is well educated in history (for his reality), held steady employment, and had serious dreams and ambitions that true fall into a Disney princess category but are still unique enough to capture your attention (this is important to mention as all fantasy movies fall victim to this at some point). He holds several helpful life skills that help guide and aid the expedition he goes on. While it's true the cast look down on him for being a book worm this in itself is probably the most manufactured part of the movie. As even the expedition leader Rourke knew when to stop giving Milo a hard time and get the kid to use his skills as they were needed. The implication you could replace Milo with Johnny from this series is laughable at best. This is my only real critic. Sure, you could attempt to say Milo and johnny have the same type of ability to serve the plot as needed but it's so much weaker with Milo as he actually served the story with previously mentioned abilities giving his character a unique and singular point of potential as he was part of a larger team. Everything after they reach Atlantis is no longer about Milo proving he was right but how right he was to discern the technology he read about which he mentions in his practice speech in the first 5 minutes of the movie. Your main complaint with Johnny is he serves every point despite his previously mentioned lack of abilities. Making him into a pseudo-Gary sue, however Milo doesn't even come close to the level of Gary sue as this Johnny does. Other than this good video. Edit: Dang so this is internet Karma.
@wonderbatenthusiast16652 жыл бұрын
He thinks every average male is an "everyman" trope. Johnny in this movie was electric, and he gets along with everyone. His energy alone changed the whole mood of Hotel Transylvania with fun stuffs. And that's how Mavis fell in love with him not because of some every man trope. Also the fact that he showed her the sunrise for the first time in her life
@ambidreaming2 жыл бұрын
@@wonderbatenthusiast1665 finally someone with common sense!
@Hektols2 жыл бұрын
Agree, Milo was an exceptional guy, an expert in his own fields, not an everyman. If they inverted the genders making Kida a guy and Milo a girl fem Milo would have been considered one of Disney's best female characters.
@kiplingwasafurry11082 жыл бұрын
That was also my only issue, I love Atlantis and Milo’s character and while he is a bit of a Gary Stu he at least stands out from the “everyman”. I’m a girl but I’m also a nerd so seeing someone else who was picked on for being a nerd find the love interest is great.
@DaDunge2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i think that one is the opposite, Milo is the intresting character (though he's a total Daniel Jacksson rippoff) and the princess who's name I can't even remember is essentially the price. That said hardly suprising since the entire movie is a ripoff of Laputa.
@cosmicspacething34742 жыл бұрын
The only Every-man I’ve REALLY liked so far is Brett from inside job. Cause he still feels like an individual and has interesting relationships with the rest of the main cast despite being the most normal one out of them all.
@stevepensando25932 жыл бұрын
Brett also has some personal issues caused by his abandonment by his family, which he finds in his coworkers as their relationships get stronger. The everyman trope isn't bad on its own. It's how it's executed
@ImaNerdANDaGeek2 жыл бұрын
Aren't every-mans supposed to be kind of average? Johnny seems a little below average, at least in intelligence. Especially by the third movie. haven't seen the forth.
@KalasenZyphurus2 жыл бұрын
Brett stands out to me because he's a rare example of a morally good yes-man frat boy. His first episode is about taking this rather mundane, usually antagonistic trope and adding depth and the ability to coexist and cooperate with it. Yes, he has traits of trying to be the perfectly average everyman that everybody likes. He slots in nicely as the target of exposition. But he stands out in the setting, and isn't necessarily supposed to be someone the audience sees themselves as, especially at first.
@nessie9682 жыл бұрын
Plus, Brett is not a love interest! He's just a good friend to Raegan. Female&male friendship is honestly a very underrated relationship dynamic in media
@stevepensando25932 жыл бұрын
@@nessie968 At least so far. I have the underlying feeling they are gonna pull a sneaky on us and have the two get together, but knowing the show, they would most likely take time to develop their relationship properly. That said, I wouldn't mind the two staying friends, in fact, I actually prefer that
@robonthecob69206 ай бұрын
The Everyman trope is dope, it often goes hand in hand with charisma. The Everyman, done well, is one of the best ways to have a relatable and charismatic character in a story about a “new world.” I’d honestly consider Aladdin an “Everyman” type character. His unfamiliarity with the world of riches and royalty is relatable to most people, since most people aren’t rich. And that’s the angle they play up with him. “If you had a genie what would you do with it” is a strong vibe for Aladdin. That wouldn’t be such a thing if Aladdin wasn’t an Everyman.
@audreyharris76435 ай бұрын
Good point
@sackedpotatoes41702 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! I always thought it was ridiculous that men who acted like children and didn’t care for their appearance could get absolute 10/10 women in media. It always made me question my worth when I was a little girl. “You mean, I could be fit, have a great job, personality, etc, and the best I can get is a man-child?” Edit: This blew up and I wanted to clear up some things. One is people taking this too personally or attacking me personally. I am NOT saying I am a 10/10 or whatever and therefore I deserve the same, this is a hypothetical. I am calling out this stupid trope and how it shaped my world view as a child. Another, is that this is superficial. You have expectations for your partner, that’s just a reality. Expecting your partner not to be a man-child is not a high expectation. How you interpret “man-child” can vary, I interpret this as Johnny or someone who won’t take responsibility in general. Marry, date, who ever the fuck you want to. You know yourself, if you prefer a slim dude with curly hair, go for it. If you like butch women, go for it. I never said anyones preferences were invalid. Lastly, if I made anyone feel insecure, then maybe this is a sign to work on yourself, man or woman. Drink more water, goodbye.
@coldstuff97842 жыл бұрын
Literally what I thought too
@gazelle_diamond97682 жыл бұрын
The amount of superficial judgement in this comment section is unreal. Also that apparently so many women think that being a quote-on-quote "10/10" (let me tell you a secret, you are most definitely *not* a 10/10) somehow entitles them to getting a perfect man who's buff, good looking, successful and rich while making fun of and insulting anyone they deem a "man-child". Honestly guys, I thought these types of women only existed in cartoons. It's ridiculous.
@coldstuff97842 жыл бұрын
@@gazelle_diamond9768 You completely skipped over the "be fit, have a great job, personality" bit. Shows how shallow you are!
@gazelle_diamond97682 жыл бұрын
@@coldstuff9784 Did you even read the original comment? Those terms referred to the women complaining about this.
@sdal_yt2 жыл бұрын
@@gazelle_diamond9768 yeah true i also thought why everyone thinks that mavis or "10/10" woman can't come to like a funny/goofy character. It seems they think that only because she's a hot goth girl she has to like a gigachad or something.
@Artieren2 жыл бұрын
I really don't get what Mavis sees in him, he doesn't act his age and is an actual idiot who can't take care of his child. He never evolved as a character, nor did he get any development; he just stayed the dumbass he is throughout the entire franchise, till the VERY END. To be honest, Mavis carries the entire relationship yet gets sidelined as just ''Johnny's wife'' when she's 100 percent more interesting than Johnny could ever be, she pops in when she needs to, then gets written out for the next 30 minutes until she's needed again. His whole arc was just Drac accepting him as human but that happens EVERY MOVIE, Drac accepts him at the end of each movie then in the next movie they just redo that arc over and over again? I guess the writers just forgot... Or worse they are stretching out a dying franchise that dies more with each movie, they should've just ended the franchise at the 2nd movie since everything came to a conclusion at the end of it.
@47ratsinahoodie2 жыл бұрын
Re: Mavis...gets sidelined as just "Johnny's wife" It's so weird that the first movie followed Drac and Mavis more as the main characters and then it shifted to Mavis and Johnny in the second and then Drac in the third, and I think Drac and Johnny for the fourth. Mavis always felt like the main character to me in the first movie so it was weird they made that shift.
@parycartoons68402 жыл бұрын
What makes it worse is that the movies act like he's in the right all the time and he doesn't need to learn anything from anything and save all the "what you did is wrong and here's why" for Drac. And don't get me wrong, I don't like Drac in these movies. They treat him like he's just a loving, over protective dad when in reality he's possessive and refuses to treat his child like the grown adult with her own life she is. But Jonny can be just as obnoxious, and I really wish they would call him out for it as much as they do Drac but they just don't.
@bringiton4drago3712 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that the Drac accepting Johnny was only for the first movie. After that Drac just needs to accept that his life is changing....and then the last movie came along and decided to revisit the first for some reason. When you think about it the movies are all about Drac. Movie 1- Drac(main focus), Johnny and Mavis (secondary focus) Movie 2- Drac (main focus), Dennis (secondary focus), Mavis and Johnny (minor focus) Movie 3- Drac (main focus), Mavis, Johnny and Dennis ( minor focus) Movie 4- ya probably get the point Mavis and Johnny are a pretty much a package deal when it comes to these movies, with Mavis mainly being more important and Johnny just being there
@myaedelman2 жыл бұрын
To be fair though guys, I don't know why you all are complaining that this is just a rehashed message from the very first film. It's actually not , The first one was about Drac letting his daughter grow up and make her own decisions and Johnny just happened to be one of those decisions. The 4th film was more of Drac accepting that even though Johnny is a human he still is capable of handling big responsibilities. (Aka the hotel.)
@mariantambe51102 жыл бұрын
@@parycartoons6840 exactly. Just saw the 4tg movie and he's an idiot. Which would be okay if he got called out for it and tried to learn but, nooooo.
@ladylynx98912 жыл бұрын
I feel like Mavis was supposed to be an actual character but the writers just gave her the task of doing whatever they think is "women stuff", like getting pregnant, constantly contradicting men and being pretty or something.
@-angel-princess- Жыл бұрын
I felt a sense of sadness when Mavis and Johnny searched for a new home and Mavis was eager to engage in various activities but only to get reminded of her roles as a mother and wife which limited her ability to explore personal interests. It seemed like Dracula should’ve allowed her the chance to discover herself when society accepted monsters, rather than hastily arranging her marriage. Also, The concept of "zing" loses its significance, as Dracula himself zinged with an old lady later on so there’s no excuse for her in not being able to find somebody else. There was a lot of potential in this story but instead the creators chose to create the easy, boring cliché path.
@Very_Silly_Individual8 ай бұрын
How saddening. Mavis had to acknowledge her responsibility as a mother. A single tear drops from my eye.
@seigeengine4 ай бұрын
@@Very_Silly_Individual Exit social media.
@Kit-Kat163 ай бұрын
@@Very_Silly_Individualwhat about Johnny?
@anthonyibarra86972 жыл бұрын
The trope feels very "Happy Madison" if that makes sense, especially since they were involved with some of the Hotel films. We have this sexy or high profile or successful woman who _just can't seem to resist the undying, infectious, and (overly) supported charm of this wacky, goofy man(child)_ who as far as we know is an utter loser.
@monohearts2 жыл бұрын
Damn Anthony, u right 💀🙏🏽
@a.t.45942 жыл бұрын
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@happybunnyntx2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense since most of the Happy Madison gang is in the movies. Adam sandler, david spade, etc. All the usual suspects are in most of the movies.
@Lastjustice2 жыл бұрын
They probably could take all the same actors and made a more adult raunchy version of the Hotel Transvania series. I'm kinda surprised they didn't.
@Rohtix2 жыл бұрын
The whole point of the "everyman" is to build him into literally anything else. It's the beginning of a journey, not a destination. The reason why it works is because we enjoy watching ordinary people become extraordinary. The story that comes with that is the fun part. If you keep your everyman an everyman without explicitly writing for it, it kinda comes off weird or boring.
@tobiaslawrence89282 жыл бұрын
Like someone said in the comments earlier "Lego movie" did the trope better
@topaz96552 жыл бұрын
would have worked if they actually built him up to something but they kept him the same
@RedMoonSolitary Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's it! Johnny doesn't reeally change or grow in any way. I don't root for him, I don't feel satisfied watching him in the franchise at all. His only purpose was finished in the first movie, and they weren't planning to expand him further.
@atozreaction116 Жыл бұрын
But did they did that with Johnny?? No. Nothing is “extraordinary” about him
@dangernoodledee1112 жыл бұрын
They should have at least made him a bit more like Jonathan from the original Dracula novel. That man was just a polite little Englishman who just accepted the wacky shit that was constantly happening to him. He was a lawyer who was smart but didn't even bat an eye when Dracula started spidercrawling on the ceiling. I just want this man to be functional, but also the type of person who would easily get kidnapped. He's got his shit together, but only knida. It would be sweet if Mavis fell for him slowly, and all because she liked his quirky, yet polite, personality.
@flickcentergaming680 Жыл бұрын
THAT would have been funny.
@chlbo9763Ай бұрын
I loved Johnny in the first film as he served as the character to develop the monster characters and help them loosen up and enjoy life but in the movies following, his character no longer added any value to the story or the other characters. They could have focused on improving and growing johnny's character by showing him more as an adult and fatherly figure (this would also help show Johnny aging in the sense of him not being as childish and more mature). They could also have shown more of a dynamic of Johnny facing the challenges of marriage and parenthood and him seriously tackling these stresses to become more of a serious character to also make him less of the everyman - not to mention the fact that his wife and sun are immortal and Johnny isn't...
@DeathnoteBB2 жыл бұрын
3:04 Just to clarify, animators don’t design the characters, concept artists and character designers do. Animators do the animation, art direction is an entirely different department.
@tsl-2024m3 ай бұрын
Yeah. But think about it. The animators control all her movements. I’m sure someone went off tangent and did some things to the model for fun lol
@yyg46322 жыл бұрын
Mavis can fit into the "innocent but sexy" trope. She's never seen the real world, she has no standards for what makes a good human. She just turned 18. This is the perfect fantasy for people who identify with the "average man child" character. A perfect 'victim' who will view them as awesome and perfect, easy to dominate, just because they don't know any better. The afterwards she just goes into the "mature woman character who takes care of but somehow still romantically loves the man child."
@eg-draw2 жыл бұрын
This triggered my old trauma heh
@letsalllovelean4782 жыл бұрын
The fact that an animated show about a talking horse can break that trope is kinda funny. Diane Nguyen from Bojack Horseman KILLS this trope. She starts out innocent, sexy and submissive to powerful men like Bojack Horseman and her then-husband: Mr Peanutbutter. Mr peanutbutter is a man-child who is loved by the world and has been implied to have white privilege. He treats her like how he wants to be treated, like a child. Diane is even forced to back down from fighting against a r*pist due to the fact Mr Peanutbutter was working with him. Eventually, she stands her ground and divorces him and stands up to Bojack.
@Gamed-dd7tj2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't she 118 in the first movie
@Esterfox19872 жыл бұрын
She aint 18 wtf
@GravityButterfly2 жыл бұрын
@@Esterfox1987 she is 18 teen years coded. Even her father implies she is a teen vampire.
@maebmaines85012 жыл бұрын
It would have been nice if they had character development, growing together and both becoming better people and their own original characters. It would have been amazing if she gained some modern quirks and he began to show some old-fashioned point of view. Basically being an actual healthy couple and slowly being changed and affected by each other's traits.
@ocurimi2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the sequel was about how Mavis, while she's in California, meets a guy that is way more interesting, attractive and not a forced soulmate, and she fell in love with that guy but she doesn't want to leave Johnny bc she thinks she has to be with him cos he was her first love. Without the baby of course, that would be too much
@bananathewolf55892 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out, I honestly never viewed Mavis as goth, exactly. With how the monster cast is portrayed, it seems each species has it's own customs, cultures, and clothing styles associated with them. Every vampire we see wears black clothes, the women having black lipstick. While there is nothing wrong with calling Mavis goth, I interpret her design as cultural continuity personally. And even tho she, yeah, is designed to look goth, I dont see how that makes her "better" or "above" Johny Even if the "every man" trope is over used, there's nothing wrong with it. And Hotel Transilvania is still a wonderful story (the first one at least. The second was ok. The 3rd and 4th are... I will not rewatch them. I hate that Drac got a second Zing. He didnt need that. He could have made mature unbiased friend he could use to rely on when he needed advice about Mavis. Those movies could have become alot more interesting.) Yeah, alot of girl can be petty. (Keep in mind I'm writing from a girl perspective) They're picky about the guy not having red hair, not being shorter than 6ft or at least not shorter than them, the bf has to spend half his paychecks on her with no financial gifts from her to him. Its stupid, and I think the every man trope is just what we need to normalize not dating the hottest guy and not being insecure about that. People can have types. And some people are generically hot. That wont change. But no one should base their standards of who they "deserve" based on how someone looks Mavis never stayed up past sunrise before because she was scared of it. Her father engraved fear of the humans and sun into her for years. No wonder she'd never seen it or been pressured to before!! And Mavis is more than a 2 dimensional character who likes Johny for no reason. She likes learning new things and he is a fun and relaxed person to rely on in new experiences. He likes showing her things. If anything, she was infantilized through the first and second movies because she had a child-like wonder about it all Why is Johny criticized for that when she isn't? She likes he goofy nature, but she doesn't make excuses when he messes up. When he lied to her about Dennis she was mad at him and Drac They both messed up, so she made it clear she wasnt okay with it and took the reigns back. She didn't go "it's okay, Johny didn't know better" And when it was revealed he was human, she was clearly hurt. She felt betrayed. Especially after Drac made Johny say he hated her. She believed Johny even though it was a lie. She is aware he's capable of mature wrong-doings. She can accept he's goofy without infantilizing him.