My Last Helluva Boss Review And Why I'm Done

[@SarcasticChorus]

Just wanna say thank you again to all of you who've stuck with me and enjoyed me talking about this show and Stolitz. This is not something I do lightly but I think its what I needed to do for me.

[@nebula189]

it's honestly for the best lol

[@theaizere]

if for the better then 🤝

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Honestly For the Best For You to take this step. Wish You all the Best ❤

[@lilrqlovesanime650]

Honestly for the best!

[@olleselin]

Yep. Totally understand that.

[@pockystyx4087]

Pretty annoying that they also set up Loona having some connection with Octavia that could have helped smooth over the misunderstanding, only for them to do nothing with that when the story really could've used it. Man, I feel like season 2 just had so many good ideas that got buried under the *drama* of the main ship.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

On one hand part of me hopes there's still time to develop a Loona/Octavia friendship, but on the other it is annoying we got episodes like Unhappy Camper when we could have had some Loona/Octavia character development.

[@pegeta]

They 100% are gonna snowball this into making Octavia hate men and go full Lesbian with Loona for the sake of ships and completely ignore Loona being thirsty for men for 2 whole seasons.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

It was messed up the moment they tried to make Stolas sympathetic and his wife an abusive bitch. Should've stayed as Stolas being an entitled blue blood literally trying to learn how to be a better person and his wife wanting him to stop dragging their nobility image through the mud even if it meant she literally tried to kill him over it.

[@gamerstreater9314]

@@pegeta they can't even ship Octavia with Loona. Loona is quite a tad bit older than Octavia.

[@thejestor9378]

@@gamerstreater9314also cause end goal was show cased.. Octavia and Loona as sisters.

[@cloudykid7278]

It is a little disappointing to see you quit making helluva boss videos but at the end of the day, we watch these videos for you. I'm not in half the fandoms you talk about but I still think your analysis and shipping videos are interesting and worth the watch. Maybe some fans might be turned off to the idea but plenty of new ones will definitely come in too in the future. I wish you the best and good luck on your next video!

[@t-tap9109]

Facts-there are so many creators in this platform-good for him for choosing what he wants to do aside from what others want-it’s your channel,your responsibilities. Go SC!

[@therealmickey8213]

Lowkey some of his videos get me to watch other shows XD

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

yess

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Hear, hear!

[@babydragon1234]

This video really solidified for me that my favorite thing about Helluva Boss, was hearing someone else say what I was thinking. Hearing that I wasn't alone when something fell short or a moment was undeserved made me feel understood. I felt like the show was gaslighting me, literally doing tell don't show. If an episode didn't make me excited over a character or song, it would just leave me disappointed to apathetic. Legitimately my first thought after finishing the season was "I can't wait for the Sarcastic Chorus video on this." I'm deeply sorry for that. Thank you for your time and sacrifice on these videos, and thank you for deciding to walk away. I think I'm going to keep watching, just to see how things pan out, and then move on as well. \m/,

[@sheepysnowtato824]

This is exactly how I've always felt and currently do feel

[@carnage0685]

I thought he’s still gonna watch the show? He’s just not gonna make vids on it

[@MrRawrCEO]

I was impressed by the second episode (Lululand) and have spent the rest of the series desperately wanting it to reach that level of entertainment again (It wasn't a masterpiece but it was legitimately good). But yeah...in the most recent episode their visual expression of Octavia said "I miss my dad", and then they had her infodump a song about hating her dad and wanting to cut him out of her life. It really feels like a lot of drama and twists are getting dumped into our laps and given what I've seen they'll probably get resolved just as quickly and disappointingly as they appeared in the first place. Also a problem with the cast being idiots who struggle to think or act outside of their predetermined character quirks (unless the show demands that they suddenly pull a 180 turn on their personality out of nowhere). It just feels like there's some legit promise for good fun in this series that gets undermined by a long list of basic writing mistakes (telling instead of showing, flanderized characters, a lack of wit, etc.) and obligatory padding (songs, drama, gags, etc.).

[@babydragon1234]

​@@carnage0685 I meant to be responding to a part in the video where he mentioned that he wants us to keep watching as well, I didn't mean to imply that he would or should stop watching. Sorry for the confusion!

[@babydragon1234]

​@@MrRawrCEO Same here! I loved robo fizz and felt like there were some incredibly cool ideas! The only episode that I liked as much was S1E7, because Fizz again and House of Asmodeus being such a great song. But honestly after that, I can't say there's really too many episodes that I enjoyed as much. There are some that get close, but I'm just kinda recognizing that the show format isn't for me. It had all of the right pieces, it just can't put them together. I'm honestly just really turned off from Viv as a story teller

[@fireemblemaddict128]

The Visago critique is so on point. That was supposed to be Asmo's moment. It would have been a character solidifying moment for a side character that was built up for 1.5 seasons.

[@SuperMandibleclaw]

Asmodeus wouldn't have been able to speak up

[@jadethunderhoof288]

​@@SuperMandibleclawbut a random friend of the goetia could? Asmodeus has more power than Visago, and Visago literally went toe to toe with Stella's brother in front of Satan, who's on the same level as Asmodeus. He would've been able to speak up if we take the writing seriously.

[@gimmekromer1151]

Its vassago

[@Yumzedits]

I like Vassago’s energy, but this is exactly why I was so skeptical about him, this guy just came out of nowhere to come and support Stolas? It just didn’t click, so that criticism was agreeable.

[@fireemblemaddict128]

@@gimmekromer1151 whoops, ty

[@g.r.2287]

the best part of watching helluva boss was always getting to hear your thoughts on every little thing about it😔 it's sad to see you're stopping, but also, good for you!

[@harley4683]

I was happy to stop watching in season 1, this channel was way better then actually watching the show

[@g.r.2287]

@harley4683 truee

[@harmonylynx252]

Yeah, sometimes when Helluva or Hazbin did something I hated I’d get kinda excited to see this channels take on it, good or bad. Gonna miss these vids

[@Sappysappster]

​@@harley4683trueeeee

[@LiaLikeALie]

Agreed, with the last 3 episodes before Sinsmas, waiting for a review from sarcastic chorus was more exciting than getting the actual episodes. I'm glad that they made this video addressing this and came to realize their true thoughts on doing this content for Helluva Boss. I wish them the best.

[@anjapavlovic5157]

This video sums up all my complaints and criticisms of the show perfectly. I hate how afraid it is of portraying more complex, flawed characters. Stolas, Asmodeus, and Fizz are perfect examples. They start off as morally ambiguous, only to later be portrayed as saints, innocent and perfect, like they’ve never done anything wrong. They had the perfect blueprint for exploring more complex themes, but never truly embraced them, instead shoved under the rug and even in some ways retconned.

[@carnage0685]

YOU SOLD YOUR LIFE FOR A THRUUUUST!

[@troin3925]

Apparently, season 3 would have a focus on Stella and expanding her character. She's meant to be a Beatrice Horseman type of character (they're the commenter's words and apparently Vivziepop's words, not mine), and the comment on Twitter said that in an interview, she said (though the comment paraphrased it), that "there's a reason Stella acts the way she does" and how "no one is strictly one dimensional." I don't know how Beatrice's arc was handled since it's been awhile since I watched and continued Bojack Horseman (not for any reason though, I just haven't continued yet), but I'm curious how the show will handle it since it also kind of feels like a too little, too late situation for Stella where it should've been presented sooner (fans have wanted that with Stella but it felt like the answer was clear that she wasn't a three dimensional character). The fantastic fanfiction Shadows Over Hell, which I keep mentioning here over and over (it's a friendship drama between Loona and Octavia and a lovecraftian horror epic that also slightly crosses over with Hazbin Hotel, especially later on), explored this in a similar way. It's a very well written story btw. It's very long, but it's fantastic and also gets intense when the horror stuff kicks in. The fanfiction has some outdated stuff btw like Lucifer's portrayal for instance. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just letting you know.

[@noodledaddy3234]

I AGREE SO HARD I really hated what they did to their characters

[@MoonlightBrillance]

Hazbin has the same problem unfortunately. I saw the leaks for Sir pentious backstory and I was so disappointed they picked the most sanitised and non complex version just so the audience sides with him and feels bad. Idk why Viv bothered setting a redemption story in HELL if none of the characters do bad things or are complex enough to redeem themselves in the first place.

[@ClownHoundII]

​@@MoonlightBrillanceThat's how I feel about both her shows. It doesn't make sense to me that Stolas cheating on his emotionally abusive wife is "wrong" as cheating is wrong, but Valentino can SA his workers because "Hell doesn't have morals". Or background characters can steal and no one bats and eye but when Blitzø steals it upsets the shopkeeper. Why is a shopkeeper upset at hell having a corrupt system? Viv keeps saying everything fucked up happens because it's hell but then turns around and shoves morals in randomly for drama.

[@daniellemaguire2013]

I am not going to pretend to not be upset about this news, but I will absolutely support your choice of prioritizing yourself. I will be seeing what the channel has to offer in the future, as my subscription with notifications switched in was never based on Helluva-verse content. I hope this is a renaissance for this channel and for you in the best possiblr ways!

[@wayfareangel]

What this person said! Commenting for the algorithm! We support you, man!

[@darkflame728]

Same. I still really like his other videos, so I'll be sticking around for more. 👍

[@daniellemaguire2013]

@ I personally have my fingers crossed for some new sarcastic summaries and anime shipping videos!

[@FadedCurse5600]

Same bro, I still think their is more content for him to cover.

[@Normal_Panda]

Agreed. I (unsurprisingly) started watching for Helluva-verse content but I still plan on sticking around now, I still watch and enjoy his other reviews and this won't change that

[@toonamis2639]

Stolas wouldve been a much better character if he actually was an evil mastermind who came to realize he was actually falling in love with blitz.

[@redboxgamingyt3452]

That or if the story didn't treat him as near infallible. Sure he wasn't exactly bailed out of every situation but they seem to treat him like "He means well" rather than taking a real stab at him. The whole scene with his argument with Via felt like she was the one in the wrong. Let him be an actual bad parent and not a father trying his best and getting nothing in return.

[@jessicarattray6976]

I would say no just that ruins the original story no offence

[@Pseudo_Notfound]

Or he could have been worse, we don't know

[@toonamis2639]

@jessicarattray6976 i dont think so, stolas was treated poorly as a character. I think people forget the context is that the story is based in hell and having moderate good people there doesnt make sense. How is moxxi a better villain in making then stolas? You know what i mean? Or like how is he treated as this super genius but still gets captured by striker and out played by vasago and her sister? He shouldve been a big bad that had an arrangement with blits. Not just anxiety ridden love making with a bunch of drama.

[@Pongocity.]

That would be so amazing ughhhhhh

[@nschannel826]

Can't say I'm surprised, but still it's gonna be weird to not see you talk about stolitz again. Me personally, I've always seen Helluva Boss as a passion project with someone's OCs. Like, Vassago reads so much like that one OC who you like the design of so much you HAVE to put him in, when in reality he REALLY should not be there. "Kill your darlings" is an advice that Helluva Boss (and hellaverse in general) suffers the most from not following and in this essay I will-

[@carnage0685]

That’s literally what Vassago was. He shows up in Hazbin Hotel’s pilot during the Alastor backstory bit.

[@NauticalWheelr]

No no king, go on... Speak your truth.

[@vgmarkis]

Keep moving forward homie ✊✊

[@ChristopherCapersJones]

Hey, Markis!!

[@staticshotaop561]

Goob

[@adamk-paxlogan7330]

W markis FR 🤣😂👏👌🎉

[@adolfocoy7516]

Not Markis

[@heyimjaytee]

did your son travel back in time to meet you and take you to the future or something

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

I can't say I didn't see this coming, but it's still a surprise. But I'd much rather that you drop it and move on to things you actually care about than forcing yourself to keep up something you no longer enjoy. I'll miss your reviews, but I'll still look forward to whatever you make in the future.

[@chosenuwu]

agreed, reviews with passion are better to watch in general

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

@chosenuwu I could tell with each video he was losing more enthusiasm. It's like he said: it started with Unhappy Campers and he never completely recovered from it. I'm honestly surprised he didn't stop sooner.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

agreed

[@KariIzumi1]

Truly wish more people had the integrity to do this. In a world where shows are cancelled before many have even heard of them, I’d rather people with platforms spend their limited free time putting spotlights on what they enjoy. ESPECIALLY if it doesn’t have as much any eyes on them as Vivziepop has on her work now.

[@wrxtersblxck]

I’m a chef. Trust me, this is relevant to the vid. I know when I’m at work, I have a timeline to make certain dishes. Everything is about timing, heat, flavor. I know that if I don’t cook a dish’s certain way, it’ll turn out not its best, and I want to be the best. I make a variety of stuff. I understand this as an artist and as a consumer. As a consumer, I like the kind of complicated works I make day in and day out, but some days, I just want something simple, and some people might even call it trash. Even if they’re right, sometimes that’s just what I like. That’s why I stick around

[@dokchampa9324]

In other words, you're saying... they didn't cook?

[@wrxtersblxck]

@ nah. They cooked. They made a product. What I was saying is not every dish is going to be a Wellington or coq au vin. And sometimes you won’t even crave that. Some dishes are microwaved pizza rolls, and that’s quite alright 😊

[@malichai3643]

@@wrxtersblxckhonestly, I can respect that. But, after a well you start to get tired of the same dish being served though.

[@aramisperez9923]

@@dokchampa9324 They did cook. Themselves.

[@Birdyboys]

@@wrxtersblxckI think the problem people have is that the writers think they’re making a gourmet steak but they’re just serving day old McDonald’s burgers. Again, we’re supposed to see this show as the queer bojack horseman. It’s not supposed to be empty and mindless filler.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Am I the only one who thought that Octavia would start self-medicating with Stolas's happy pills when she found them.

[@ElonorEzraValley_TheGuradian]

Nah, I thought that too

[@acedreamer2004]

Yeah I had thought for a small second too😅😅

[@GreyWardenKT]

Same

[@XxXUnit]

I thought she was gonna take them

[@Welshwolf-zq6zy]

Thought that too

[@cybercybex]

Its really funny that the whole premise of "I.M.P" and contract killing just got sidelined into shorts which is fun in its own way but just feels like it got tact on.

[@spinningtornado4543]

From what I read, there won't be anymore shorts either.

[@connorredshaw5650]

​@spinningtornado4543 Um yes we will be more shorts. Vivziepop explained that because season 3 will be having 15 episodes, they'll be a bit of a hiatus until season 3 starts. She wants somewhat shorter gaps in between episodes I'd imagine around 1 to 2 months apart rather than 3 to 4 months apart. She has confirmed during the hiatus period multiple shorts are going to be released from now until season 3 starts. I reckon due to season 3 still being in production the first episode will be released between October/November. But its a great idea on Vivziepop's part too release multiple shorts as it will make the wait for season 3 a lot more bareable and is definitely better than getting nothing at all.

[@frankkennedy6388]

If I had a nickel for every time VivziePop threw away the pitch of a show, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't much but weird it happened twice!

[@AeonKnigh432]

Because that's not the premise. The premise is the character interactions and relationships. That's just a thing they also do.

[@ribottostudio]

​@AeonKnigh432 no come on now. The ORIGINAL PREMISE of the show was the group of imps going around murking people. Now it's about the relationships between characters.

[@BasilWald]

I think the same thing as always happened. Vivziepop has always had this super ADHD way to build stories where she will set something super cool and interesting up, only to make random side plots/characters the main focus shortly after, as happened with Stolas in S2, and judt kinda throw the previous characters by the way side. OG fans of her stuff will remember that The Hazbin cast used to be side characters in Zoophobia for example. It's frustrating as a viewer but also weirdly interesting, don't know other media with this issue.

[@carnage0685]

Charlie wasn’t even a character in Zoophobia, right? Or there was some Charlie character that had nothing to do with the one in Hazbin Hotel

[@pegeta]

She really needs to hire someone to slap her hand and say "bad" when she makes stupid decisions.

[@Jdudec367]

@@carnage0685 I mean...there is Smling Freinds Charlie but I doubt that's who you meant lol.

[@DeadVoxel]

As someone with ADHD, even I have a hard time keeping up with the scenes and the story when everything happens so fast and randomly. She doesn't let the scenes flow naturally, or for charaters to have lenghty growth, or to establish a natural way for the characters to develop and become likeable. It feels like she first places down ingredients on the table and presents it to us, and we're like "yeah that's cool", and then just throws them all into a mixer in hopes that it would work out and taste good

[@BasilWald]

@@carnage0685 True, Charlie in Zoophobia was a random sinner and might as well have been a new character. Every other main character was already there though. Even some of the secondary characters like Chery Bomb etc.

[@missxmal]

i started losing faith in the direction of helluvas story when unhappy campers came out. Totally agree about Vassago too. Him speaking out in defense of Stolas would of made so much more sense if we had that initial connection between the two, the writers could of introduced him to us when we got the backstory of how Stolas and Blitz met as kids. Vassago could of been Stolas' only other "friend" or maybe they could of introed him helping Stolas with his studies as young adults. Ozzie having little to do with the trial blew my mind, Blitz literally has one of his crystals on his wrist and it was never brought into question?! Having Satan rush the trial honestly felt like a self insert for the writers wanting it done as quickly as possible so they could fit everything in instead of making it an additional episode if they had to.

[@abloodraven3856]

Or, hell, as a means of character efficiency, follow Sarcastic Chorus' advice and cut Vassago entirely and use another character who already had that sort of set-up to conceivably help Stolas more in the trial. Asmodeus. Stolas and Blitz already helped him out during Oops and the Mammon episode - wouldn't it be perfect payoff if Asmodeus had a bigger role in Mastermind openly helping them out more instead of this new guy we've never heard of before who undermines a lot of the stuff they tried setting up with Stolas earlier in the season? Vivziepop's character bloat problem is already approaching RWBY levels of bloat; the show would genuinely benefit from some tighter character efficiency.

[@MrRawrCEO]

I actually genuinely liked Vassago but I agree that character bloat and sidelining Asmodeus (who has a far better reason to intervene) are legitimate criticisms. COMPLETELY agree about the campers episode. That one had me questioning my life decisions...

[@RockinAfr0]

Giben how old aristocracy tends to work, children often grow up extremely sheltered (butlers, nannies, few friends, etc) and only after a certain age will they start to make friendly alliences with other nobles and their children. The way I look at it is that Vosago likely was a friend from Stolas' teenage years or at least from after his childhood with Blitz. I understand the rushed feeling tbh, but for me it didn't bother me as much.

[@downbeatdialga1341]

12:31 I wish Millie’s issue stemmed from IMP still being in the red financially, after Blitzø spent like all of their pension. That would’ve been nice continuity imo.

[@norsehorse84]

Oh I swear it better be the main reason she's not sure what to do.

[@egg_bun_]

Omg yes

[@samyl9579]

This problem shouldn't exist either, especially since they are friends with a lot of rich people.

[@blackface-b1v]

​@samyl9579 like who?

[@blackface-b1v]

I think she's worried Cuz 1. all women are worried when they suddenly get a kid, 2. I don't think she's ever talked to moxxie about children 3. They live dangerous lives and are enemies of many ppl

[@Neon_hyperbrat]

17:58 THANKYOU good god I hated Vasago because he was just fan material and his personality is being Spanish

[@edwardhisse2687]

He not spanish hes hispanic, as if this show woul tolerate another european-coded character

[@kellis6645]

Vasago is just the beeeeeeeesssst because he speaks Spanish and I like, have no idea what he is saying but he sounds so sasssssy when he says it. *seal claps* /s

[@readintimely2517]

Honestly, when we saw the sneak peek for Barbiewiers episode, I thought the plot was going to be something like her living among the humans in her disguise. Having built a whole new life for herself, where no one knew her. Aaaand then blitzo showed up with his group to kill her boyfriend/husband.

[@whatthehellisthis]

i’d take that over unhappy campers

[@winterrain3528]

I thought of a similar premise for this episode and was excited for what was in store, only to be absolutely gutted when it turned out to be basically nothing. Major letdown.

[@blackkitty369]

Me too!

[@Onlyabby-2002]

I thought I was the only one who thought this??😱

[@egg_bun_]

That would've been so good!!!

[@hunterMarcelis]

"But sometimes... You gotta just walk away..." Is the best thing I've ever heard about anything like this before. He's not a hater but he just doesn't like how it's going. Just leaving it at this was the safest move, bro

[@Pop_Candyz]

This video reminded me of an Arcane quote from Season 2: "I think the cycle only ends when you find the will to walk away" - Silco. As sad I am to see your Helluva Boss reviews go, I'm happy for you that you're doing what you know it best for yourself. Thank you for all the time you've spent discussing this show (And Hazbin), and I'll continue to keep watching your channel for all the other wonderful things you make!

[@tarvoc746]

11:59 - "...only for the story to pick the least challenging option possible so the two never look too bad." This is admittedly wildly off-topic, but when I heard you say that, the name "Tyrion" involuntarily popped into my head.

[@SarcasticChorus]

..... not intentional but I think Lindsay Ellis said something similar about Tyrion and Jon in one of her videos

[@tarvoc746]

@@SarcasticChorus Yeah, I didn't think it was meant to be intentional. It's just interesting how such vastly different shows can run into similar issues. Helluva Boss isn't anywhere near the shitshow late GoT was, but it does have similar issues.

[@Barakon]

A part of me wonders if this is true for lapis lazuli lol.

[@carnage0685]

@@Barakongod I hate that character

[@harrygoad329]

Oh god... if Season 3 has Stolas strangle Stella in bed and then goes "I'm sorry...", I'm calling time of death right there.

[@zolo49noname45]

I think I get it. The only time I ever hated listening to rock & roll music was when I took a college course where I had to analyze it and write papers on it. Thanks for the videos you've done to this point and best of luck on your future endeavors.

[@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs]

For me it was books. I love reading, but classes where I was forced to read a book and try to find just every hypothetically symbolic word and overanalyze it to death? Not very fun.

[@lifeisadrag7705]

@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs Why do classes do that?? They make reading seem like a chore rather than something fun to wrap your brain around?

[@rappingbeaniedog347]

@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs I can relate to this. Always excited to finally read Frankenstein's Monster. Had to do it for class, hated the story, cheated and read cliffnotes to write the paper and actually passed. Still have no interest in reading it.

[@rivermaxwell3834]

@@lifeisadrag7705 Because it's intended for people who like doing that, but many times the people who end up doing it don't enjoy it.

[@BullGator-kd6ge]

@@ThatRPGuywithtoomanyOCs That was me, and then I’d get invested in the book just as we were winding down and preparing to start a new one.

[@Ettenmore]

it just occurred to me that Stolas and Blitz's dynamic is very similar to Scott Pilgrim and Ramona Flowers. They're all intended to be flawed/scumbag characters to some degree, and their respective stories try to hold them accountable for that as they work towards a stable relationship. Scott Pilgrim even had a pretty similar problem to Helluva Boss where Scott received way more attention than Ramona did in the original comic series and movie, just as Blitz has had. The difference is that story goes out of its way to make it clear that Scott is a bad person and holds him accountable for his mistakes, and in the recent anime series, it does the same thing with Ramona. It shows the very real effect their poor decisions make on the characters around them. Helluva Boss doesn't do that because, with some exceptions, it tends to paint Blitz in a sympathetic light, and Stolas even more so. For example, not only was Blitz and Fizzarolli's decades-long feud reduced to a misunderstanding, we never got to see Fizzarolli's side of that story drawn out for us with that much detail. They shouldn't have made up immediately in that episode, because, intentional or not, Blitz played a part in Fizz's disfigurement and it's clear he saw him as responsible for a long time. We needed Fizz to stick to his guns longer for their reconciliation to feel more natural. Instances like this, along with the poor pacing within episodes, are what really damage the show. It lies in a frustrating position between having stellar voice acting, great musical numbers, and great animation, along with distinct and memorable characters, but also feeling hurried in many ways. There are plenty of instances where shots are way too short, missing important opportunities to let information sink in and have a greater impact. Andrealphus doesn't feel intimidating because we've barely seen him; when he was backing off after they all fought, he delivered a foreboding message setting up his return... except we moved on to Octavia like 1 second later so there was really no time for that to sink in as a genuine threat. Likewise, Octavia isn't a very interesting character because most of her presence is one-note. We don't get dedicated time with her. Show her bonding with Stolas more! Then when she does feel betrayed we can relate to her better. Digital Circus does a good job of this. The show is slowly working towards the big things; if someone does abstract in the coming episodes, I think we will care about it much more than a similar-scale incident in Helluva, because we've gotten downtime with the characters. Helluva introduces like 15 different characters then only gives us downtime with the main trio of Blitz, Moxxie, and Millie. The issue is moreso with time allocation, I believe. *Hazbin* is rushed. This is poorly executed, which is mostly on Vivzie. I think she wants instant gratification and it shows in the writing. You could restructure the whole story, preserving the major plot points, and have a much better, more satisfying watch, in my opinion.

[@carnage0685]

Biggest difference by far between TADC and HB is that TADC isn’t afraid to slow down for serious moments. When Gummigoo starts having his existential crisis there’s no music, no action, no jokes, and it dwells on that specific scene for like, a full minute and a half before anything else happens, and even after Pomni comes into the scene the tone doesn’t change. HB just doesn’t have that. Every serious scene is interrupted 40 seconds in with some character screaming or some shit. It’s like the show itself has ADHD.

[@jamminoutrexan5474]

For serious moments, humor, and even just being able to tell what on earth is going on in a shot in a first view, one of Vivzie's consistent weaknesses is giving scenes the time they need

[@Jdudec367]

@@carnage0685 Screaming doesn't mean it's not serious though it still has serious moments clearly.

[@manoftruth0935]

Lucifer should’ve been season 2, Vaggie reveal at the end of 2, Adam and lute being name dropped in between 2 and 3 with a tie in graphic novel. Helluva really showed its weakness when the last 3 sins were just ballparked in. Vivzie is impatient. Clear that she was spoiled despite what she will claim to be should you call her out.

[@nataliecoronado4206]

​@@carnage0685 imo both of Vivzie's shows have the same problem Murder Drones had but 10 times worse. I loved Murder Drones, but way too often it had moments that should be serious or impactful, but got immediately undercut by quips and jokes instead of letting the scene breathe. Thankfully MD got its act somewhat together in the later episodes, but you really can't say the same for Hazbin or Helluva Boss

[@tanagerthenight-sky424]

Honestly, I respect you so much for this. I've seen countless content creators, for this show and others, stick with a property and do nothing but complain about every aspect of it. While they often have valid points to make, for some of them, you can just feel the soullessness in their reviews and get the feeling that they're only doing it for the views or to start controversy or just be negative for the sake of being negative. While I'm just a little sad to see u leave the show, I'm happier that you're prioritizing ur own mental health and happy that you won't become yet another content creator that milks the negativity for a show for views. I look forward to other reviews and analyses from you of other media you hopefully enjoy talking about!

[@despinasgarden.4100]

I can totally understand your feelings about the current helluva boss and why you are droping it, this actually happened to me but with a webtoon called Lore Olympus. I never droped it, but at one point i got so sick of the way the plot protected the two main characters that i almost did it and i just finished it because at that point i had spend years reading it and i felt that i had to see how it ended. It didn't help that LO had a masive Anti-LO following and a LOT of their critics were valid, very similar to Helluva Boss. Honestly, good for you! You shouldn't force yourself to keep watching the show if don't vibe with it anymore. I will miss your reviews but walking away from it will be for the best for your mental health.

[@cashmerewatkins5091]

NO because your comment about Lore Olympus is so true! The massive hate towards it also almost turned me off. But I also stuck through and finished it. And yes the critiques are valid! Same with Helluva Boss, I still find some enjoyment in it, but the critiques are valid!

[@MasterBotttle]

I think their was a Fan made Re-Imagining of it that was a response from the feedback/criticism to the original, and uses it as a bases to answer the problems thus making their own version itself better from the original. Another thing that the fan made Re-Imagining of Lore Olympus reminded me of is a "parody" game called Snoot Game, infact helluva boss should have the same Re-Imagined treatment just like Snoot Game.

[@SarcasticChorus]

As someone who got into LO late. you aren't wrong on the similar hatedoms.

[@sunny9439]

Lore Olympus mention! I still haven’t finished it because I was also fed up with the storyline and characters 😭

[@despinasgarden.4100]

@@MasterBotttle i think it was called Lore Rekindled or something like that.

[@HamtaroWarriors]

You hit the nail on the head as to why I could never fully get into Helluva: It's the writing. The passion is there, but the way you worded it accurately portrays why it doesn't work. It always chooses the easiest path to solve the problem, not the one that will give the most impact in terms of story. It's okay to allow your characters actions to have consequences. It's okay to allow the butterfly effect to take place, but if you're only going to allow your characters to walk the path of least resistance, character growth isn't actually earned, it's just another story beat rather than growth of a character.

[@harmonialarts]

Man frees himself congratulations

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

He did it. He is free

[@Douchey_Elkmen]

Man free. life good.

[@ThePonderer]

You really hit it on the head with the “softening” thing. This show is *desperate* to avoid treating Stolas with anything but the softest kid gloves and it makes it impossible to get invested in them.

[@dragonmasterchief2492]

Yep like hes never in danger at all which makes it so boring while as example in JJK, the good guys including Gojo were always in danger and Gojo even had to pay twice for it, as well as Nanami dying during Shibuya and many more good guys dying during Culling Games. But in HB? no one from the cast will ever be in danger, not even the villains, like look at Striker. Dude got squahsed by a statue and also burnt into hellfire but has only a few scares. And now even Blitz has gone soft and cancels missions only bc he saw a happy couple and mirrored Stolas and himself in it. Like cmon Blitz you are a demon, you shouldnt care and get the job done! Loona shouldve jumped the target like she wanted to. Taking Millie out here since she had mood swings.

[@redboxgamingyt3452]

That and also the complete simplifications and utter regression of everyone who opposes him. Stella? Went from being reasonably angry for being cheated on to trying to kill him to the show literally saying she was Evil since Day 1. Andrealphlus? Introduced to be an overarching Main Villain who quite literally has no effective plan relying heavily on luck and circumstances. Striker? Went from being a potential independent threat to literally being both Crimson and the Goetia's lackey for any of their plans.

[@merlumili]

He got so woobified it made me like stolitz less if I'm honest lol the messy and toxic dynamic sounded way more interesting to me than this whumpfest

[@velvetroses5752]

@@redboxgamingyt3452goodness gracious why can helluva boss fans never be happy

[@ThePonderer]

@@velvetroses5752they might be happier if the show was better.

[@GarnetHeartIllustrations]

It annoys me that we got 2 seasons of barely any Millie character development, and then how do they decide to develop her character? Pregnancy trope. Revealing a pregnancy for the sake of drama in a season finale just irks me. Like they only ever gave focus to Millie in how she relates to the men in the story. She loves her husband, she hates her ex, she sees Blitz as her best friend (which wasn’t really shown much before Ghost Fuckers), and in one single episode, Unhappy Campers, she suddenly has a thing about not feeling important- which they never touch on again, almost like it was just there so the plot could work. She feels so surface level, and now it’s like the writers were like “how should we develop Millie’s character? Make her pregnant and not excited about it” like idk it just feels like they’re still tying her character to her relationships to men. Who is she when she’s alone??? Come on writers!!

[@diegorojas8959]

Both helluva boss and Hazbin hotel have the same problems a lot original anime have. They have too many ideas and no strong structure. Honestly i think you could fix a lot of problems with the shows if you had an editor working with Vizzy so they can better structure their ideas. Because there are good scenes, good moments, but the narrative as a whole is weak.

[@redboxgamingyt3452]

Funny enough this is exactly how I felt reading JJK. It started off with such a strong premise but then it essentially became "All hype, terrible story." Like yeah watching a character get a one up or win against a character you want desperately to fall is cool and all but doesn't exactly compliment the story. And trust me, Helluva Boss is exactly on this train wreck. The recent episode essentially prove that along with the fate of Adam in Hazbin Hotel.

[@koalabearkhan145]

I definitely agree to these points. The original premise of both shows, and overall concepts get lost in the weeds because it switches focus to other things (which is fine) and then it half heartedly tries to circle back to square 1. The shows are not quite how they are from beginning to end from a conceptual standpoint.

[@henriqueabreu9706]

I agree. A co writer or editor would made a good difference, someone to say "hey, this is a serious/cute moment, the dialogue definitely don't need a swearing" or adding a more solid structure.

[@MetalCaffeine56]

With Hazbin Hotel, it definitely felt like they crammed every single idea they had into 8 episodes and the overall story is just a complete mess because of it. On top of that, each episode is around 20 minutes long, so it feels like none of the concepts the show presented got any time to breath because it's all going at a breakneck speed.

[@diegorojas8959]

@@redboxgamingyt3452 as certified JJK glazer i have to defend it. JJK has more in common with sports manga and martial arts manga like Blue Lock and Hajime no Ippo than traditional Shonen Manga. Here the narrative is told through the direct clash of personalities rather than a traditional narrative setup. Combat, skill and personal expresion becomes characterization and the clash between fighters become the story, again i come back to Hajime no Ippo, where story of each match its born when you clash personalities in the ring. Certainly not for everyone and JJK clearly has some faults of its own, but its clearly more than just hype.

[@kidanarchy2105]

You know what, thank you for actually deciding to walk away instead of becoming increasingly bitter and hyper critical of the show. You basically realized you were close to going full Lily Orchard Steven Universe, and that that wouldn't be fun for yourself or us.

[@SarcasticChorus]

lowkey one of my greatest fears, was that I would become the Orchard of the Helluva Boss fandom. Don't think i would've gotten that far as i have enough friends to tell me when i'm out of line. But best not to tempt fate.

[@TurtlePWR108]

The thing that separates you from Lily is that you care about how you critique a show. Lily just shits out slop out of her mouth and calls it a valid “critique”.

[@kidanarchy2105]

@@SarcasticChorus tbf, you at least avoid accusing the writers of being bad people or that anything you don't vibe with personally is an objectively bad writing choice. Still, will absolutely miss these vids.

[@User-TheLich]

@@TurtlePWR108And Chorus doesn’t have a list of disturbing downright criminal allegations

[@Rubyhoshino445]

​@@SarcasticChorushonestly I couldn't see you being like Lily Orchard just because you were frustrated with the episode because unlike lily orchard I feel like you wouldn't accuse someone of being a racist just because you don't like the show

[@doggosomniac]

this kind of feeling is the exact reason I stopped watching Helluva pretty early on. the disappointment of hinted nuances either being completely flattened, or outright ignored to force the plot to make sense. You got it perfectly, and it's so refreshing to see this sentiment of wanting to like something but being unable to ignore it. I hope you enjoy the time away from it, too.

[@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq]

People say stolas doesn’t blame himself but he does

[@DeadKraken]

I dropped it around mid season 1 if I well remember, and only kept myself informed with reviews every once in a while. I already highly disliked the character designs, but when the story and characters started to flatten and flop about, I was done lol Didn't even try to watch the final version of Hazbin, the dialogues would make me cringe into an early grave, but as far as I've seen, it has the same problems.

[@alibrennan5977]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought Vassago was a pointless character in Mastermind. And that the Stolitz moments in the last two episodes felt “fan fiction ish”

[@sllushiii]

Yeah, I agree. That kiss with them falling down, confirmed it. Then in the end it just seems so distantly lost between them. 😢

[@bladeinthesmint5995]

It feels like Vassago was just there to set up the character for later and having him be more neutral in the story would have been much better than he’s shown. I don’t mind the kiss, it felt very driven by adrenaline which is emphasised with the one sided hug at the end of the episode. The criticism is still valid though

[@estelalopez6929]

@@sllushiiistolas feels sad and when you are sad you don’t feel hugging people

[@KyleWoodlock]

He was a one-off side character and the only reason anyone would pay any attention to him is because they've spent the last 6 months freaking out over THE LORE and trying to invent a novel-length backstory for him.

[@bladeinthesmint5995]

@ actually viv has said that he’ll be returning in season 3

[@Sketching_stuff]

11:05 I wasn’t against this shift at first but I feel like it leaned WAY too hard into the relationship drama. It got to a point where I was super excited whenever the plot was the main focus which was weird because I’ve always found character dynamics to be my favourite part of a show

[@kicks4235]

I agree. It’s mainly the way Vizie made a complete shift towards relationship drama and not showing how relationships can affect the business (except for 2 or 3 episodes). In HB’s case relationships should support the plot instead of being the main focus. In my opinion at least

[@meh4294]

Same ,I was really interested on how it would go ,but honestly, everything since that one episode were they went to the human world to Hollywood, I noticed it wasn't for me ,stopped after viz and blitz solved their issues ,it just didn't entertain me anymore ,I didn't find myself laughing or waiting for a new episode anymore, then hazben aired and that was what Broke the camels back ,unfollowed vivzipop,and moved on

[@gregvs.theworld451]

@@kicks4235 If the writing team somehow justifies the notion that having a baby won't impact the dynamics of the job these people do or the way they do it and time they can give to it, I think I might be done too.

[@estelalopez6929]

@@gregvs.theworld451I heard more people will write season 4

[@deondrex18k]

Well for me this is her last chance with this relationship shi like we finally have stolas with blitz plz don't fuc this up or I will drop the show they don't even have to date they can be Fwb or jus friends for all I care if they leave each other over sum bull shi viz pulled out of no where I will drop the show also she better not f up Millie pregnancy either she has a child or aborts it if she aborts it let us know early don't have this pregnancy go on for a season and she ends not even having the child

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Show really is a perfect example of Style over substance. Show looks cool, is acted well and the like, but the writing is painful when you look at it for more than a couple seconds.

[@aaabbb-gd8no]

personally the millie pregnancy plot made me instantly want to drop the show. i do not feel like they can pull that tone off.

[@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq]

I knew Millie was going to be pregnant because she’s married and I remember 1 year ago few people said Millie should be pregnant

[@LToll19-t5h]

It's just so oddly timed to do that now. It feels like there's too many loose ends to be throwing more unfinished storylines into the mix.

[@kemi_smith]

Same. As soon as 1, Via brought up the pills (softening Stolas's fault) and 2, Millie pregnancy reveal I just...idk lost whatever interest I had lol

[@patrycja3109]

i was kinda with the wacky stuff the new episode was going with until that weird, out of nowhere reveal

[@CrazyWhore116]

Dude, I am already done with the show as soon as they were doing the whole Millie is pregnant thing. It is already bad enough that Millie was having lack of development and now Viv is going to make Millie a mom to make her more interesting? As soon as I saw the scene where Millie threw up, I was like "Oh no...... They are not going to give Millie the mom route. I'm done" If their going to grave length to make Millie interesting by making her be a mom, I'm going to be disappointed. I thought Viv was different, I thought she wouldn't go down these types of routes, but I guess I was wrong. If they don't go through with the baby thing it might give it another chance. But, like how some people in the comments section have mentioned, I too thought that Helluva Boss would be more about I.M.P's job and not the relationship between Blitz and Stolas. I adopted to it for a while, but I be lying if I didn't say I was disappointed 😞

[@SPG69]

The most infuriating thing about the finale was that all Stolas needed to say to Octavia was “I’ve been unhappy for years but you have always made me feel better” like dawg just say you are depressed it ain’t that hard!!!

[@bluebay1031]

I mean it is objectively hard, but its also absolutely what Via needed to hear in that moment, and honesyly given Stolas is quite literally at or past his breaking point, I feel like it'd fit his character to say that, even if it wasn't entirely intetional and more in an emotional outburst way.

[@mentalpopcorn2304]

I mean, he did kind of say that with "you've always been the only good thing in my life" And she didn't believe him. If that didn't work, why wouldn't a slight variation work? People aren't perfect either, most people don't know exactly what to say in the moment.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

He did? Almost in those exact words.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

he did say that but Octavia think it's another lie

[@katty5901]

Im more frustrated at Octavia. The show has done nothing for her as an individual character. I am not invested in her, but this show expects me to care about her personal problems. What makes it worse is that we've seen her recycle the same conflict over and over again. I see why this repetition can be interesting, but the show does nothing with it.

[@sumobear5010]

In my opinion, my love of Helluva Boss started to fall off when they started to drastically change their characters in ways that didn't make sense. They took Stolas, someone who actually did his job and displayed his power accordingly, and made him a washed up horny bird with daddy issues while being the daddy himself. They made Blitzo, a borderline psychopath ready to kill anyone for his next payday (he even killed a child) and doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks, into a guy who is so unstable emotionally that any form of consistency is a blessing. They ruined Millie, taking her from an interesting character with a cool upbringing (though I am biased because I was raised in the Lone Star State *but not born there*) with a personality that matched said upbringing (a happy do everything she can with a competitive edge type of personality if it makes sense,) to, as you said in your video, someone whose wild emotions are explained away with hormone imbalance caused by pregnancy. Moxxie is by far the worse case, where he goes from a no-nonsense professional to a fucking crybaby with even more daddy issues when he is *soon to become a dad.* Loona is the only one of the four to actually be spared the abhorrent writing so far. She actually has a slow burn when it comes to her development. She goes from completely detached from the rest of the crew, including her adoptive father Blitzo, to slowly warming up to them as time goes on. We finally got to see her nicer side when she went to the house party, when she actually invited Blitzo to participate, and then continued to warm up to the rest of the cast afterward. It's fucking baffling to me that the two main characters, Blitzo and Stolas, have less of a proper development of character compared to someone relegated as supporting character. What type of shit are they smoking to where they managed to flip them on their head?

[@pegeta]

you are 100% correct, as for Loona her time is coming. Mark my words they are going to make Loona x Octavia a thing. Also remember, most of the fandom is gay furries

[@malkuusha]

That’s what called a character writing, no? When you’re revealing characters personalities depth, their story, their actual feelings, not just the facade. I don’t really understand your claim here

[@Inpr0v]

As much as people love or hate it there's a factor that I always loved, the effort they put in. The animation, the voice acting, it's amazing in the end. This show has a lot of potential to be even better in the next two season (I think there is two more seasons left) and yes unlike Hazbin Hotel THEY CAN take their time and flesh out the story to close as many plot holes as possible. I loved the first season, and the second wasn't bad, it just needs some more time to fix the things they do in the writing a little.

[@estelalopez6929]

I heard season 4 will have more writers

[@blackfox4138]

Exactly!! For me, the thing that keeps me coming back is the fact that the people making it WANT to make it. I'll always support projects where the people in charge clearly have a passion for the property.

[@TheEverything_nerd]

I love Helluva boss but I agree on most of your statements in this video. I love ships and I think that may be the biggest reason that I’m still interested in the show, but I think my love may die down in season three. I feel like the writers have run out of ideas and that there is no possible way to properly redeem Stolas and Blitz without it seeming rushed. Like Millie getting pregnant? Shows always start to go downhill after a character gets pregnant, I guess it could not be the case with Helluva boss but I’m expecting it.

[@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq]

It’s a slow burn I think thats why they weren’t a couple in season 1 and their communication skills aren’t great . We will see stellas backstory in season 3 and more people will write season 4

[@LToll19-t5h]

I'm with you there. As much as I loved the last episode, I've got a bad feeling that Season 3 is going to struggle to find good storylines.

[@filmfangirls9163]

I mean the show has already been planned out to the end so they're not gonna run out of ideas....

[@Anarcho-Bunnyist]

Okay, seeing the Helluva Boss viewcount chart I made a year ago suddenly appear in a video jumpscared me.

[@SarcasticChorus]

@@Anarcho-Bunnyist was that you!?!? Lmao I wanted to credit but the Reddit account had been deleted.😭

[@dakforest5344]

I unironically still enjoy Helluvaboss, but I also totally see and agree with all your critiques. It's kind of like how I still enjoy Sword Art Online, despite the shows MASSIVE problems. It's to the point, I appreciate what the writer was TRYING to do with it, while understanding that they were not skilled enough to properly execute it. I'm sure time constraints a really issue. I would love for this show to have half-again or double the number of episodes per season, but that's not how things worked out. That said, good luck on the next chapter of your channel and career!

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

agree as an SAO fan summary = underutilized concepts

[@MasterBotttle]

This phenomenon of people still tolerably watched a media in a long term, even if the media itself has a lot of problems is known as the "Stock(holm)Show Syndrome"

[@AuthoressDilophosaur]

I agree. As someone who cooks, I compare it to some seasoned asparagus I partly burned earlier; the burned parts were definitely unpleasant, but there was still enough good texture and flavor that there was no point in throwing it away. When Helluva Boss misses the mark, it tends to miss HARD - I was just about to drop the show after Full Moon and Apology Tour, and I really wish the show would pump the brakes for a while - but these last three episodes brought back my interest.

[@norsehorse84]

@@MasterBotttle No one is stopping people from quitting the show. Not equivalent.

[@fluffycorn_0wO]

I think you’ve just summed up why I still love this show even with its massive and numerous flaws, it’s because I still wonderfully appreciate the work and message they’re trying to convey… even though it may seem incomplete to others…

[@cyberwolf5896]

After seeing how both Helluva Boss and Hazbin turned out I feel I can confidently say that Spindlehorse and Vivzie lost their confidence in their premises for both shows. Probably after both shows got very popular amongst people during Helluva season 1 and the Hazbin pilot Vivizie thought that their original premises for their shows wouldn’t match the expectations of such a massive group of people. Probably leading her to want to change course to a premise that would garnish a lot more hype and emotional reaction from viewers. And with the big fan reaction and praise to Ozzie’s at the end of season 1 maybe confirming their thoughts, they went forward with changing the script of both their shows. Thus Hazbin got changed from the Queen of Hell attempting to run a hotel where sinners could stay to try and redeem themselves to get into heaven, to a war against heaven which is portrayed as a corrupt higher power trying or keep the lower class in its place. And Helluva went from a trio of Imps running a company that kills people on Earth for salty sinners, to a soap opera drama with big emotional moments filled with romance, heartbreak and betrayal. Granted both of these premises could work but I feel that they contradict to what both of the shows were originally trying to go for leading to some disjunction between both the fans and Spindlehorse.

[@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq]

Every fan should tell vivziepop that the episodes should be short . The episodes should be short because the creator should focus on the pacing R

[@thewalrus45]

I don't think you understand how long this shit takes, by the time Ozzie's came out most of season 2's scripts were locked in, they just didn't think the whole episodic murder thing was that interesting to write as the main thing fairly early into S1's production so by the middle of S1 it's pretty much put to the side and only touched on every few episodes. The romance becoming a central part of the show was something that came about from discussions between Brandon and Viv very early in S1's production process, it was apparently actually mostly Brandons idea. Like apparently Octavia's song in this episode was written around the time Loo Loo Land came out going by what Sam Haft said. Animated series effectively cannot change their direction based on fan reception for like at least a season simply due to how long the production process is and how much it cost to go back and redo ANYTHING. When you change a script/plot you have to go back to change the boards, the animation etc, it all adds up in cost and time. Hazbin is a bit of a different story, they pitched a 12 episode first season but only got 8 episodes so they had to move a bunch of stuff around and choose to prioritize certain things over others from that initial story pitch.

[@carnage0685]

@@thewalrus45no way, Octavia’s song was written at the same time Loo Loo Land was released? Mind blown.

[@thewalrus45]

@@carnage0685 yep Season 2 was already in early production when Season 1 came out, Season 3 has been in production for like well over a year now along with you know finishing up Season 2's final animation and stuff. Animation is a long process and yes so far the average turnaround time from scripting to final release for Helluva has been 2-3 years.

[@cyberwolf5896]

⁠​⁠@@thewalrus45ok thats fair enough, I don’t know a whole lot about the process of animation shows like these and I don’t want to act like I do. Yes I do understand animation does take a lot of time and yes I didn’t know that season 2 was in production as season 1 was coming out. However I don’t think that changes the idea that Vivzie and her team did lose faith in the original premise of their shows, if anything the time for when they decided to change their premise would be much earlier at least for Helluva’s case. And while season 2 was being worked on while season 1 was coming out, the release and reaction to both Hazbin’s and Helluva’s pilot could have sparked some kind of change in mindset. As I’d assume by that point season 2 would’ve still been in very early stages of development meaning it would’ve been a bit easier to change the script. And for Hazbin specifically, while I know that the team didn’t receive the amount of episodes they wanted for their first season, the way they decided to go forward with it kinda speaks for itself. They could’ve been able to work in the premise proposed in the pilot into a simple and fun first season and then hint and tease the whole heaven vs hell plot near throughout, I mean hey they did that with Helluva’s first season. but when you compare a simple story to a big bombastic one they probably felt more confident in the latter, probably didn’t help as well that they were now working on a show that was being backed by a big publisher that would be released on an official streaming service Either way though I just wanted to say this because I think that both shows changed a lot since their pilot’s first came out. And I just sometimes wonder what these shows would’ve been like if they stuck with the premise they set up in both shows instead of changing things up to fit a more drama centered bombastic idea

[@shortman578]

5:05 My question is who in the hell has Unhappy Campers as their favorite episode

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

@@shortman578 A Masochist.

[@SarcasticChorus]

We all make mistakes.

[@TheFool_12]

As a masochist thats my least favorite episode- ​@@delphoxhoopa7289

[@FoxyFlyer12]

Moxie used to be my favorite charachter....his status has recovered a bit from that episode, but it will never be the same

[@JackedThor-so]

As far as episodes go it's tremendously weak, but I still liked it fine personally. It's like Cherubs from season 1 - I understand the reasons people don't like it but I think the vitriol it gets is unwarranted.

[@clauliz5502]

Ngl, I could feel the genuine joy he exuded when he discussed Murder Drones and not at all as I watched his Helluva Boss videos.

[@dinodude6992]

Now that I think about it, yeah, you're right

[@meh4294]

These 1hour videos had more energy than one 10 min of a HB review he did

[@estelalopez6929]

@@dinodude6992that’s because murder drones isn’t getting a season 2

[@filmfangirls9163]

Totally.

[@XxFoguinhoxX]

Now that I think about it Stella and Andre aren't even that bad of people. Yeah they wanted to gain Stolas' wealth and fame but so did Stolas' dad......like the only reason Stella isn't the outright obvious protagonist of the series is because they gave her a Karen personality. Think about it: -Two rich people are married, they're both unhappy due to it being a political marriage. They can't leave the marriage because they had a daughter. -The husband commits in marriage adultery and neglects his daughter for a random goon(er) (permanently tarnishing the family's reputation) -The wife tries to kill the husband for the crime he did The husband is the protag and the wife is the villain...........

[@eatatjoes6751]

This also is why I hate what they wrote the Karen Client for.

[@chaoticneutral7976]

Reminder Viv compared Stella to Beatrice Horseman. You know, a character who despite being an abusive mother, wasn't cartoonishly evil and was a victim of her upbringing to explain, but not excuse, the things she did in adulthood. Meanwhile Stella is strangling puppies as a child...

[@oberweeb6584]

4:10 honestly it would even be weird for big fans of Helluva Boss as a Show to like unhappy Campers. There were already pretty mediocre episodes in Helluva Boss like "Seeing Stars" and the Cherubs Episode but Unhappy Campers didnt release, it escaped

[@maltemejlstrup4746]

Glad to see someone mention the cherubs episode. People like to hype up all of season 1 but forget that cherubs was a downright awful season 1 episode. I hate it so much and that's coming from me who very much enjoys most episodes for at least a few reasons. Cherubs has nothing that I like. Unhappy Campers just kinda happened although I hated Moxxie in it, cherubs was pain to get through. Unlikeable forgettable characters, dumb forgettable plot and so on.

[@oberweeb6584]

@maltemejlstrup4746 yeah, outside of some jokes which i liked i feel pretty much the same about Cherubs. Its just the definition of absolutely forgettable. You could start a rewatch of HB and skip it entirely and you literally wouldnt miss out on a single important detail for the ongoing plot or character Developement

[@madukob6158]

Yes, every single time i rewatch the show I skip cherubs and unhappy campers

[@Sketching_stuff]

@@oberweeb6584honestly kinda felt like the only reason the cherubs were in it at all was just to keep people interested in what heaven is up to since the rest of the show has nothing to do with heaven at all

[@Hallow_Shade]

oh yea, I am a big HB fan, I don't have issues with the direction and majority of the writing but Cherub and Unhappy Campers were dreadful to watch. I like Seeing Stars much more now than I did upon release.

[@delfinal7560]

Oh mannn... Every time there was new HB episode I was always waiting for your review... It's gonna be so weird to get used to not getting new Helluva content from you..... Ehhh... I'm glad there are still going to be other videos tho

[@alphabloodpaw3233]

Atleast We still have ayy lmao

[@reifuTD]

Weird because I fell behind on the show after the middle of season 2, there was a large gap between episodes the next thing I knew it was almost a 9 months and a few episodes and shorts to catch up on.

[@thewalrus45]

@@reifuTD This is one of the reasons they said S3 will take longer to release, they want to keep a more consistent release schedule like the back half of Season 2 had (basically monthly episodes, a break with shorts in those months, back to monthly episodes). It is legitimately really hard to follow a show when the release schedule is like, this month we have an episode, now 6 months later we have another, now 3 months we have another, now 9 months etc etc. Basically they want to go into Season 3 with more than one episode actually mostly finished.

[@canonicallygod8782]

@@alphabloodpaw3233his videos aren’t as high quality

[@alphabloodpaw3233]

@canonicallygod8782 I know😭

[@erikamaheu]

Found my way to your channel because of the Helluva Boss videos but really enjoyed watching the rest of your work. I support your decision in moving forward to something that will excite you and I plan on sticking around to see what you do next.

[@DoveJS]

Also, it just struck me... are they getting Millie pregnant so they can effectively write her out of the show??? Or is it because they just don't have anything to do with her so they figured giving the M&M's a baby would be something new for them to focus on and generate genuine conflict in their relationship? Is it so Blitz and Stolas can give advice to Moxie and then realize they're both kinda shitty dads??? Is this a misdirection so Millie can have a miscarriage because she's so determined to get into battles because that's what she's good at? IDK... I think it stinks because I don't have a lot of faith in the writers regarding Millie, particularly when they downplay her legitimate criticisms of her boss and best friend (lol) but there IS potential for something interesting here. It's not often that an action girl gets knocked-up.

[@Sadgoat1999]

Idk what shows you're watching, because "badass woman gets knocked up and magically becomes a better person" is disguntingly common. No shade to you btw, I'm just saying I've seen this trope a lot and I'm tired of it.

[@Buggy125]

i dunno my first expectation when millie’s pregnancy was revealed is that one of the first couple of episodes of season 3 is going to be about millie telling moxie and both of them being nervous to tell the other they don’t feel ready or something of that nature.

[@patrycja3109]

yeah, for me it feels like they're unsure what to do with a strong female character other than center her around her husband or her potential child

[@carnage0685]

Yeah there’s almost no way I can see the pregnancy subplot going anywhere good. Then again I might be biased because I don’t like the idea of pregnancy in general lmfao

[@DoveJS]

@sadgoat1999 You think Millie, of all characters, would become a better person? How? Edit: To clarify, no lol I clearly haven't been watching the same shows.

[@aria5614]

Honestly I don't think your the only one. The vibe of Helluva Boss reviews is "this is popular ergo I must review it. Even if I don't like the show." To the point that I only watch One KZbinr talk about it and that's an animation/character analysis nut. I actively *haven't* been watching your Helluva Boss reviews (I hate clickbait). I also massively respect stepping back from reviewing it if you can't enjoy the show anymore. Have fun. Go back to having fun. Review some other shit because you WANT to. I'm curious to see where you go from here.

[@Soliloquy_lope]

Skyen?

[@damienearl8302]

Out of curiosity, would that animation/character nut happen to be called TBSkyen?

[@brigadeiro43]

Omg I love his videos! The mixture of positivity and criticism, and being a total animation NERD, it's so refreshing! I know Helluva Boss has many flaws in it's writting, I hate and love Full Moon, why half of the episode is about the fucking cheerubs?!?! However, I cannot describe how much joy and happyness I feel when a new episode comes out! The animation, the music, the characters dynamic... these things neutralize all the issues I have with the show, but I still understand that they are still issues.

[@Itazura-Danuki]

It has had that vibe for a lot of reviews, I enjoy what Helluva Boss is, but it def feels like a lot of people especially those who be making reviews wanted the show to be something else, and I don't blame them. The show teased 1 thing during its pilot and episode 1, but from episode 2 then especially episode 5 forward the focus on Blitz and his relationships quickly became the main plot and not just some fluff to the assassin work.

[@Nonn0n]

Honestly, I think if we had less stolitz and more about the class divide in hell this show could’ve been saved. You are right to be frustrated with it. I respect your choice as I too have gotten tired with the show. I’m only here to see how it ends, will miss your videos though.

[@BeautifulRenegade]

Completely understandable. Honestly mid way through season 2 I realized that I didn’t care about any of the characters and none of the writing decisions served to make me care *more*

[@valentinkambushev4968]

At this point, the only thing keeping me is the animation. And the fact that it’s free.

[@Frost_the_polarian_fox]

@@valentinkambushev4968 same

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

@@BeautifulRenegade I FEEL THIS. I didn't get into the show until a couple months before Season 2 premiered, but even I could tell that something felt off compared to the first. Personally, it's become like Miraculous Ladybug where I'm only still watching just to see how it ends rather than actually being invested in the plot anymore.

[@merlumili]

​@@delphoxhoopa7289 that is probably the best comparison. Miraculous and Helluva are definitely that type of show, probably only care for one or two characters and the rest is just curiosity on where the shitshow is going

[@estelalopez6929]

I heard more people will write season 4

[@danielferrieri7434]

Helluva Boss Back Then: Comedy Show about Demon Assassins killing people for profit Helluva Boss Now: Emotional Romance Drama about an Imp and a Bird with a side of Killing for Profit

[@maltemejlstrup4746]

It seemed pretty obvious to me after the second episode of season 1 that it wasn't going to just be "haha, funny killing business"

[@valentinkambushev4968]

It's not even that anymore, because apparently, Blitzo suddenly doesn't want to kill every target.

[@sundowner4076]

@@valentinkambushev4968and honestly his hesitation to kill the gay couple is downright hypocritical when he killed a wife who cheated on her husband before. It sends a weird message of: cheating and ruining your family is fine so long as you're closeted.

[@haroldoxygen5581]

kinda reminds of South park lol

[@alexjewett7455]

​@@valentinkambushev4968I think this was a one time thing, since it might have been a little too close to home at the time.

[@PureCimera]

Mate im gonna be honest, I would have dropped helluva boss a lot sooner, but i loved your videos so much i needed to watch the episode to have context. However last two episodes brought so little exitment, i just kept them on the backburner, as well as the reviews so that i can have some Sarcastic Chores goodness stored away. Guess its time to catch up one last time to have context for your vids. Very understandable youre dropping the show. I would've dropped years ago if it wasnt for you. Honestly, for me personaly you brought a lot more entertainment than it did in later season and thank you for that. Looking forward to all your other content mate!

[@curiousradiohandler]

I started to watch Sarcastic Chorus due to Helluva boss, but this is completely understandable. I personally feel like Helluva boss wants to put so much information in an episode, yet has subplots which could be removed. It’s just so packed up. And if the show just constantly depicts these problems, I guess it could be tiring to continue the critics. Though I really didn’t expect this to happen, I fully support you. I hope you can come back with Helluva boss when you feel the desire to share your thoughts.

[@TheLordmep]

I accept that burnout happens. It sucks, but that's life. However, was Hazbin really supposed to be 24 episodes? Yikes. Man, just imagine how awesome that would have been. I'd even be ok with 20 episodes and a mid-season hiatus.

[@greyblueme9711]

When I saw the announcement a few days ago my excitement quickly turned to "Well, this season is gonna be rushed to hell". Helluva is getting around 50 eps total meanwhile Hazbin is planning to add more songs than season one in season 2 with the same amount of of episodes?! I'll still watch it but my hopes are not high 😅

[@lexx1745]

I think it was actually supposed to have around 12 episodes if you look at the original concept pitch for the show.

[@starlight9517]

​@@lexx1745 The truth is, I don't think any of us truly know how many episodes season one was originally supposed to have. The leaked pitch bible only indicated 10 episodes, and Vivziepop has *never* confirmed the planned episode count. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a lot of contradictions and misinformation spread about what happened during the production of season one of Hazbin Hotel.

[@milenartmeire2588]

I heard people saying it was supposed to be 12. Still, 4 episodes make a LOT of diference. It's really a pity and really explains why the pacing is so fast

[@Rosie-fd1fn]

YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WRITER FOR THIS SHOW. You understand the flaws perfectly, I literally couldn't express it better myself. ive always had that lingering thought that the show was going downhill but not until the same episode you mentioned, with them at camp, did I start to notice the spiraling downwards trend of each episode. they introduce/tease an interesting conflict, only to take the easiest way possible out. its not interesting at all, theres no overarching narrative the SECOND we got blitz's backstory in a short 30second wrap up I knew the set ups that were promised in season 1 were just lies. its exactly like you said, manipulation. we know blitz has this sad backstory with his mom, and now they can use that to show a little jumpscare (HIS MOMS FACE MELTING FOR 5SECONDS THEN EVERYTHINGS BACK TO NORMAL LOL). its such a wasted opportunity to flesh out his character. the court scene was an embarrassment, its not even worth me analyzing it

[@delmarethehybrid9307]

I fully respect your opinion and stepping away from a show you used to enjoy isn't an easy thing for someone to do. I feel like i'm in the minority that actually enjoys S2 more than S1, but that comes to personal taste and not something that's objectively fact. I wish you the best of luck with other content 😁

[@kristaljackson393]

I respect this comment because I think everyone else is expressing their opinions and yours is the first one that feels different to what everyone else is saying. I actually appreciate the mix of direction of the show and I don’t see any loss of passion for this show from the creators. Season one is an introduction to main characters and comedy and then second season is bout backstory and trauma and romance and third will resolve relationships and development of character growth and then last season will conclude the show with all that we grew to love about this show ending positively because everything else is revolved. There’s so much mix and the VA love this show because the OC characters represent their characters. I think season 3 especially will answer so many questions that season 2 introduced and the show has left a cliffhanger to season 3 which I find exciting. I’m not saying the show isn’t flawed but no show is perfect and no one ever agrees to everything. This show also is showing POV so much and that’s where the fans get to base an opinion. The fans are toxic, this show gets a bad rap unfortunately. Fans want something and complain when there is change. I respect Sarcastic Chorus losing interest in the show and moving on, it takes a lot of guts to do KZbin for yourself and not for the content that ppl obsessively expect constantly. There is to much drama in the fan base. Helluva is one of the better shows in our generation and if y’all lose passion focus on other shows. I don’t sugar coat anything, but I enjoy this show and I think this show only going to improve

[@urMom-gi8ji]

i agree so much with both of u 🫶

[@sovyenn]

I personally enjoy season 2 more than season 1 too. I don't really like episodic adventure shows, I just can't get invested much in them so I'm very happy helluva boss turned into something more than murder shenanigans and silly adventures. It still tries to be kinda episodic in how they structure the episodes (like every episode is generally standalone, focused on something different with quite big time skips in between) which creates many issues with the writing imo but it still creates a better overall experience than if it had stayed as just episodic adventures. I hope that in the future since they plan to release season 3 episodes with more frequency they will try to make episodes less episodic in structure so the show will feel a lot better and events more nicely tied together

[@urMom-gi8ji]

@@sovyenn i love this comment so much oh my gosh 😭 everyone keeps saying they wish they kept it as an episodic action based thing, but i think 99% of the viewer base would be gone if that *actually* happened

[@shenaniganxd]

Whoa wasn’t expecting this but we support your decision

[@chiveCakes]

When sinsmas dropped and you didn't post a video the day later, I was confused cause you've always been quick about your helluva boss videos. Hearing how you're done with Helluva Boss makes me a bit sad, cause I realized whenever helluva boss dropped, I would watch it, (most of the time) be hyped and enjoy the episode, then immediately think "I wonder what Sarcastic Chorus is gonna talk about for this episode." I've enjoyed the videos you've put out, and I hope one day you can enjoy the show again on your own time. I'll be sticking around for your videos, because I watch your videos for you and not specifically Helluva Boss, and I hope most of your audience feels the same.

[@peaches6405]

Personally, Millie's pregnancy is the final straw for me. I was already bored with the Stolz stuff and honestly couldn't care less about that relationship period... But the one thing I've seen so many ppl afraid of for Millie is the pregnancy trope and oops! There it is. Im so sick of this theme of "we cannot expand on female characters unless there pregnant or mean!?!?" UGHHHH Maybe its best to let the show simmer and come back.

[@kissmyasthma_99]

I actually find it quite ironic that they decided to get Millie pregnant after receiving immense backlash regarding how empty and boring her writing is. People from both inside and outside the fandom have pointed out how Millie's personality being basically based around men, being barely explored and just overall focusing on Moxxie is quite sexist, so the HB team decides to... develop her more by giving her a baby? What comes next? If the M&Ms decide to have that child and Millie's character critique now becomes how her only issues are a mix between motherhood and Moxxie, what will they do? Make her a housewife too? Kill off one of her family members? It's not that women can't want to be mothers or be family-oriented, but come on, that's been the whole point of the commentary for the last 3 years at least; VivziePop's female characters are underdeveloped and it's kinda looking like sexism at this point.

[@sprinklejinx3178]

I normally despise stories when badass female characters get married and have kids, but I actually might like this one as long as it's not like Videl's shitty character arc in Dragon Ball Z. Maybe they'll take turns watching the baby or they'll hire a character as a babysitter.Millie is considered the most boring character in IMP because she started where most stories end. She's already a trained badass, has no conflict with her family, and was already married since episode 1. Nothing really challenges her directly like all of the other characters. Having a child in their line of work would be a challenge for her because it's like nothing she's ever done before and it makes sense narratively because that's normally the next stage of a married person's life. Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss have a bunch of different father storylines, it's about time we get to see relationships with mothers too.

[@peaches6405]

@@kissmyasthma_99 THIS OMG THIS!! I wanted them to explore HER not a baby or family 😭

[@peaches6405]

@@sprinklejinx3178 i just wanted her as a character to be explored first, it just feels wrong to do so this way but maybe they'll do it justice 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@sprinklejinx3178]

@peaches6405 Yeah. I would have liked to see her have a rival. Maybe learn more about her and Chaz since we found out he did something bad to Moxie and she made a pretty strong reaction to his return.

[@taylorwickham6078]

Gonna be honest I found you due to helluva boss but I will be staying on your channel cause you have been so much more shows that I love. Keep up the good work!

[@KomoliRihyoh]

Being a KZbinr Pros: Lets people turn their hobbies into actual playing jobs! Being a KZbinr Cons: It turns people's hobbies into *jobs.*

[@gremshabs]

Stolitz becoming more like a fanfiction couple and taking all the spotlight is what really dragged this show tbh, the shippers get what they want but it just makes it hard to watch sometimes. I end up wishing the worst for the characters because they always end up back together despite there being several points they should have split up

[@pegeta]

It should have been teased and toyed with not the sole focus. Focus should have been about I.M.P going after bigger and bigger game each episode and introducing key characters as disguised demons of importance and then failing some missions on occasion. Side Episodes could have been the team focusing on why they failed a mission and explore hell to confront said demon while getting back on track. From there Stolas should have played the role of a boss taking advantage of an employee til the he was forced to be more involved as I.M.P went up against threats from human religions/corporations and finally Heaven.

[@DeadVoxel]

I'm pretty sure Vivzie confirmed that Stolitz is endgame, but she doesn't seem to know how to develop them as a couple without making it the major point of the show. I do agree that Blitz resolving his issues with Stolas would also help him grow as a character, but in terms of how it's handled it's just not working that way. It feels almost as if everything happens just because it's convenient for the story, and not because the charaters naturally come to those conclusions / feelings. I don't particularly ship them, I'm pretty neutral about it, but I do think Stolitz could've been so much more interesting had Vivzie handled the writing with more care and slow pacing. She has great ideas, and the team makes a wonderful job at executing them. But in terms of writing? She's definitely still very unexperienced, as most of her writing knowledge comes from back when she made comics on DeviantArt and whatnot. And her biggest strenghts are definitely her concepts and her music videos. She just needs to let someone else handle the writing, or at LEAST refine the script that she comes up with to make a more coherent story

[@redpanda6497]

It reminds me of Star vs forces of evil, I think that was the name.

[@DeadVoxel]

@redpanda6497 yep! The situation with that show was honestly awful. It gave in too much into the shipping and stretching out the supposed ship to the point where nobody was happy or satisfied anymore. They tried to please the fans and this is what they got

[@DeadKraken]

The funny part is that the more you make a pairing akin to boiled chicken, the more the shippers will leave. Shippers like angst and peak emotional drama and flawed characters that love each other in a flawed way, not generic hallmark romance. Like, there is a reason why all the most loved\written about ships of all times are either not canon(so you make up the angst lol) or canon but very flawed or with BIG angsty scenes. Canon but boring is the death of shipping, and considering this comment section, I'm not alone in thinking this.

[@meunomeelucas8489]

Thanks for everything, I started watching this series and your breakdowns around the same time and I always considered it sorta part of the enjoyment, so much so that I kinda looked forward to it, but it's understandable, thanks for making this show more enjoyable in my eyes.

[@SyvaTheWolf123]

It's sad to see you go, but I hope you'll keep making videos in the future, even if they're not helluva/hazbin focused!

[@rowdy37ek]

My “let them cook” take is that if they do have the whole story planned out already, then it makes sense that stolitz was intended to be the main arc of season 2, not that they’ve abandoned the original premise (with the exception of Ozzie’s, season one doesn’t focus on them as the main plot). The place stolas and blitz are at by the finale seems stable enough that season 3 can focus on other things.

[@bladeinthesmint5995]

Honestly I do think that season three will focus back in on their job with Millie being pregnant which is massive considering her job, if Blitz does come back into come into contact with Barbie again it would be through their jobs so it makes sense that the next season will have more of a focus on their work.

[@estelalopez6929]

@@bladeinthesmint5995and next season we will Stella’s backstory

[@norsehorse84]

This is honestly where I'm at with the ending of season 2. I mean, they didn't even hint at the Cherubs and DHORKS in the finale, so clearly they're meant for something else later. And considering they're working on Earth to reach hell partly because of the gang's fuckups with their main business, it only makes sense for them to be enemies of IMP insofar as they're an obstacle to the business aspect rather than personal enemies. Having DHORKS and the Cherubs be villains of season 3 only makes sense if IMP's actual assassination business was the focus of the season, but we shall see.

[@thewalrus45]

@@bladeinthesmint5995 Stolas himself also seems to work at IMP now so it's easier to include him alongside rest of the main cast in mission focused episodes (also means Loona can get way more screentime if their trading at the desk). Still probably gonna be a lot of Hell focused episodes (we better fucking see the Envy Ring finally) tho but with 15 maybe they can strike a better balance (and tbh one of the funniest things to me is that by and large in all my time in the fandom aside from Truth Seekers which is probably the most universally loved episode of the show for the most part the episodes that the fandom seemed to like the least.. were the mission focused episodes with the Hell focused episodes being the ones that got loads and loads of praise)

[@thewalrus45]

@@norsehorse84 We'll see them again, but like I don't think their gonna be the MAIN antagonist of a season. Their designed to be recurring villains but not Big Bads. the DHORKs I could see being a bigger deal, humans crossing into Hell would obviously be a big plot point but the Cherubs are kinda designed to mostly be silly side villains. The big Bads are Stella+Andre and I suppose Crimson plays the role of personal big bad to the MnMs (and you've got Striker with his rivalry with IMP being the gun for hire for any of these folks) and maybe like Mammon might step into that sort of role too.

[@D3ATH..FR1]

Although i respect this decision, i wanna watch this man see s3 ep1 and immediately think "i gotta do a review"

[@alphabloodpaw3233]

I know it's probably selfish of me but I'm praying this happens

[@genericname2747]

That would be very funny

[@TonyPratt-pw3yt]

Actually am pretty sure that’s gonna happen.

[@supernova5656]

Saaaaaame

[@bladeinthesmint5995]

It’ll probably be a community post or a KZbin short

[@starsantheoriginal]

I've said it before and I'll say it again Stolitz is a SHIT pairing. Their relationship and suddenly dynamic makes zero sense. I still don't see how they have any relationship. In the last show, stolas even screams that he hates that he made this choice. He _regrets_ choosing blitzø. He didn't say i don't regret it, he said it was _the right thing to do_ . That's not the same thing. They don't work. They've never worked. Even when they got retconned with a childhood connection. Even when they made stolas more softboi. Even making Blitzø act utterly out of character suddenly being in love with a guy he could barely stand. It just is illogical. And frankly they aren't a couple that gives me feels. It's going to crash and burn if they wanna write it correctly. But we all know they are too scared to do that. So much of the show refuses to show people in _Hell_ as evil. They treat everyone like sweet buns. Its representation of the personifications of literal sins makes me cringe cause they make the sins out to be "just like normal people". Which begs the question, how did they become the embodiment of said sins in the first place if they are no different than the rest. Set aside mammon, everyone else acts like a normal. It _is_ so fanficky because it kiddie gloves all the characters cause heaven forbid anyone hates a character for being a bad person except for the very particular ones. I will still watch, but there's so much that keeps getting worse just to shoehorn in Stolas and Blitzø being a ✨️couple✨️

[@collinkeyser6827]

Is It Wrong To Compare Stolitz To Starco Because I'm Kinda Getting Those Vibes

[@5uperM]

To me the audiance got baited with one show and got delivered something completely different.

[@omeronemli8402]

I dont think blitz couldnt stand stolas, it was more of a power dynamic issue as it said in the video but yea i would rather this pairing being maybe in late season 3 or mid season 4

[@omeronemli8402]

I dont think blitz couldnt stand stolas, it was more of a power dynamic issue as it said in the video but yea i would rather this pairing being maybe in late season 3 or mid season 4

[@pegeta]

Most of the fans are gay Furries, are you honestly surprised by this direction? They chose the route of broken families, they should have had Blitz and Stolas work it out of their system then man up and fix their Families, Stella is a broken women who needed a strong man in her life having Stolas as a manchild panzy didn't help that one bit but she was loyal and determined to have an heir. But no he ruins it and makes things far worst on himself and has the nerve to wonder why Stella went from making fun of him to wanting him dead. I'm pretty sure if she watched Stolas handing her brother his big fat L she would have gotten wet and asked "So where was this man when I was laying eggs?" How things are going now Octavia is going to be a man hater, go full blown Lesbian and magically hook up with Loona despite her clearly being very hungry for men because of MODERN AUDIENCES!

[@arellajardin8188]

It's been a slow decent into apathy for me. I loved the show through season 1, I didn't mind the rough and uneven parts, because I was being entertained overall. But I started falling off in season 2, because the show began to take itself way more seriously, and it's primary focus was Blitz-trauma and Stolitz. And I never cared for the ship. There were a few hits this season, somehow the Fizzerali 2 parter was awesome despjte speed running the arc. But overall, the show is making me tired to follow. Seeing the She Ra clips made me think, they did it right. By the end of season 3, I was convinced CatrAdora shouldn't happen. Then they took one and a half seasons deconstructing Catra and putting her and Adora where they needed to be for the ship to happen. Helluva Boss just wants to smash the two toxic messes together with bare minimum effort. Like concentrating their individual problems in a couple episodes addresses who bad they are as a couple, so they can move on to being a couple. I don't want to blame it on bad writing, because the show has a lot of good writing. But their pacing is awful, and they're too quick to resolve things.

[@aerickmon3350]

Cause Brandon rogers input was less and less as the series went on Season 1(the best still) was mostly by his direction This show was so funny under him, but it stopped being as comedic around ep 7 which also when they start singing a lot more

[@estelalopez6929]

More people will write season 4

[@averageanimefan519]

@@estelalopez6929 That just sounds like a too many cooks in the kitchen situation. More writers doesn't mean better quality.

[@92JazzQueen]

Catra still sucks

[@estelalopez6929]

@@averageanimefan519 i don’t like it when a lot of songwriters write one song

[@skysiren4113]

Honestly, I'm glad that you're being honest with your feelings on the show and not trying to force yourself to enjoy it or excuse the writing anymore. It's not easy to realise that something you like isn't enjoyable anymore Speaking from experience, I used to be a massive RWBY fan from 2017 to 2023. However, after Volume 6, I just wasn't enjoying the show or the direction it was going on, but I tried to force myself to watch Volume 8 and 9 because I didn't want to admit to myself that I wasn't a RWBY fan anymore, it got to the point where I would attack anyone who had the slightest bit of criticism towards the show even if it was minor (to this day I regret my behavior during that time) It wasn't until all the behind the scene stuff with RT was revealed and how terribly Volume 8 and 9 handled the topic of mental health that finally made me be honest about how much I hated what the show had become now and eventually I finally quit RWBY before it soured my feelings for it more Sometimes, the best thing is to move on from a show or any piece of media that we're not enjoying anymore and find new stuff to get into. And I'll be honest, I'm not sure if I'm gonna continue watching Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel either Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of the series trying to be a melodrama in every episode, especially with how terrible the tone shifts could be in the series. It feels like the show just doesn't know what it wants to be anymore, whether it still wants to be a raunchy comedy or take itself seriously and actually tackle serious topics. And I genuinely can't stand how the show just refuses to actually call Stolas out for his actions. It's like the writers think that having Stolas be a morally grey character will make people like him less. I can see why people still like it, and it's far from the worst show I've seen, but aside from episodes 6 and 7, I did not enjoy season 2 at all personally I'm gonna miss your Helluva Boss reviews, but I'm looking forward to your future projects and this new chapter for your channel

[@zennonapieronn3734]

I didn't think I would see RWBY mentioned here, and I am glad I did. I stopped watching after volume 8, but just like you, it became.. weird after volume 6. I didn't like it, but I was still hopeful. There were some good moments, but overall, it was not good at all. And I decided to stop to perserve my good memories of the first few volumes and not get it tainted any further. And you just proved me I did the right thing. But when comparing those shows, I can see a drastic shift in RWBY, it was abrupt and instantly noticable how different it was. And yes, it made some sense in the universe, but it just didn't feel well handled, character development went out of the window for fan ships and it all felt unnatural. But paradoxically, when you can argue the exact same thing for HB, I don't feel that the change was that drastic - maybe it's because I was prepared for it in a way, or maybe I see myself in certain characters, and although I have my fair share of criticism, it weirdly feels more real to me. Blitz was f'd up from the start, and so was Stolas, they were extremely toxic, and it was sure to backfire spectacularly. And I still don't get how people defend Stolas as if he did nothing wrong. But - it makes sense that Blitz, even though he is aware of the shit Stolas put him through, doesn't care at all. But I will have to put it down as bias, since I knew the comedy wouldn't be the sole focus, and I was fine with it, and even though the shifts are sometimes downright infuriating, what grabs me more is how the main characters are trainwrecks. Stolas unable to comprehend how bad his actions were, and Blitz being all too willing to ignore them. That just fits in my eyes. The weird shifts in their dynamics? Also fits, they are absolute idiots when it comes to that. Stolas doesn't think about consequences at all, and Blitz just doesn't care and thinks that he can fix any fallout he causes, while pittying himself. And since I am biased, I just hide episodes like cherubs, and what the hell campers were, under the rug, since they feel like generic filler that brings nothing of importance. (which Barbie should've been, but really was not, to be honest, it was bad) And I don't really mind the shift from comedy to more serious topics. But I can absolutely see how it would alienate some fans. Let's not kid ourselves, even though I am clearly biased, the show has a lot of problems, and the end of the last episode was tone deaf to say the least, it was nice, sure, but Stolas was completely out of character, like yeah, lost my daughter, which I SHOULD value more than you, but let's dance.

[@estelalopez6929]

In the finale stolas blames himself

[@estelalopez6929]

@@zennonapieronn3734in the finale stolas said he blames himself and Octavia blames herself

[@zennonapieronn3734]

@@estelalopez6929 Is it blame, or self pity though? He knows he f'd up, sure, it's obvious, but what he does at the end is not really blaming himself, it's self pity that his daughter won't forgive him and he will be stranger to her after a hundred years. This is actually a nice contrast to Blitz though. They are shitty in their own way, but if this happened to Blitz, he wouldn't be on a balcony smoking, he would be gathering explosives to blow up his own house and anyone in his way to get to Loona. Stolas just gave up. And I hope he wakes up because right now, he is just a hypocrite, just as Octavia pointed out. As for Octavia - she doesn't really blame herself. Well, she does, but not in a way you think. She blames herself for not being enough for Stolas. But she still blames him for leaving, for trying to throw away his life for Blitz, and she takes that as a betrayal, and him saying he would never leave her in Loo Loo Land was a lie. She blames him for that, rightly so from her perspective. And she is mature enough to not trust someone who lied once. If it was a lie is up to us to interpret. But for her, it was. And in my eyes, it was as well. Was it a heat of a moment decision he made not really thinking it through? Sure, but still. Nothing short of him trying to tear up his castle and the peacocks to get back to her daughter can fix this for me. At least make him try and not just pity himself.

[@wildwind413]

Major props. Hope your luck with the lack of toxic fans continues. You have my support

[@lyonsin2535]

As a VERY casual watcher of HOB but fan of ur channel since your first she-ra review, i fully support the move. I was very delighted to see u tackling ships in general as it always seemed to be ur fav thing to talk about in a review of a show or season. If you ask me to carefully review every ep of helluva boss thou i would implode too, as i havent jelled with the show since kinda season 1 but i have friends who like to watch it when it comes out and im usually there with them. Hope u find the fun again in your videos

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

Is it bad that when I saw that the Happy Pills were getting attention in the finale, i immediately thought about your “Full Moon” review with fans saying that Stolas acted out of character because of that 40 frame shot of Stolas running out of Happy Pills? No? 13:02 OH FUCK HE’S TALKING ABOUT IT

[@wingdingfontbro]

I remember at least once or twice seeing stolas taking the pills in prior episodes, seeing them pop back up in Sinsmas and being like "oh yeah that makes sense"

[@dige789]

I'm glad that you aren't completely done with KZbin. I really love your content, you always have such a different take than mine and it's really cool to hear it. I can't wait to see more of your content in the future!

[@citrinethecorgi]

I understand your reasons for stopping with reviewing, im still behind you and love your channel! And the other helluva boss vids will still be here to watch :)

[@Birdyboys]

Honestly, as a long time viewer I’m so shocked by a response. Even as someone who fell out of love for this show after season 1, something like this is still sad to see. About you comment about how surprising it was that so many people turned on the Circus, I think the thing is that it’s less about the episode and more about people realizing what was going to happen. As soon as it was established that Stolas was a sad pathetic woobie and the REAL victim of Blitzo and not the other way around + Stella being comically evil with no depth to her, it told people “yeah, this writing is going to get a lot worse”. On its own this episode is fine, save for Stolas’s confrontation with Stella, I think it’s still badly written and his “that girl” comment was eugh. But it represents the downward spiral of this entire show

[@samanthakelly718]

Yeah this is how I feel too. I get that Stella wasn't always peaches and cream, but lines like "you had it all! I hope you didn't give it up so you and him could get it up," "don't act like what we have is anything more than you wanting me to fuck you you make that clear all the time" and "I just want to go home. But home doesn't even feel like home anymore. You ruined it." Had so much weight to me and actually made me invested in Stolas' character. A joke characters' actions coming back to bite him and having real tangible effects on the world around him that are taken seriously? Like, that's actually genuinely interesting! But the second you get The Circus, the framing puts the blame on Blitzo and Stella, so the nuance kinda just dips. It's not so much the writing for me as it's the framing. We always knew Stella was cruel, but the writing takes such a one-note approach to it, it's clear it's kinda just there to justify Stolas' cheating (something that had brutal consequences that were taken seriously in season 1) with someone else being to blame. I haven't watched this show since Apology Tour but seeing what everyone's saying, it seems The Circus was an omen for what was to come in regard to that.

[@Birdyboys]

@@samanthakelly718yes yes so much this. The fact that it took people THREE YEARS to understand why people hate Stella’s writing is a bit depressing but I guess not shocking. In their mind, people were against the idea of a woman being an abuser, but for us, it was because we were watching the show pin everything Stolas did on a woman he literally could have divorced the minute he had Octavia

[@samanthakelly718]

⁠@@Birdyboysamen! I think my mindset when it comes to Stella was after watching that episode was just "...Viv.... it's okay. You wrote a character who's a bad person. That's literally why we like him. Why are we scrubbing him clean?"

[@nickbanks7954]

@@Birdyboys yeah. That really was the domino effect in all of this. If Sarcastic Chorus, a main Stolitz shipper, is leaving the show, that is a bad sign. It is a tell tale sign no less, and making the ship cannon didn't help any better. If that is the case, then the Angel x Val shippers may have a chance for Season 2 of Hazbin Hotel (let's hope not). 😆

[@heathers2581]

Y’know, I think you've handled this video really well. A lot of people forget that creators are people too and it's okay to step away from an old project and start something new or pay more attention to the other projects.

[@Malacai_Kulay]

I completely understand, not gonna lie. I started watching you with your She Ra reviews, and I do think critiquing shows that are written to be fun, and written sloppily are exhausting to enjoy AND critisize

[@hjansetv]

I feel like mastermind was a coffee shop AU-

[@murderman7265]

This is so accurate lmfaooo

[@user-vs1qk6mv7p]

huh

[@ElleeDraws]

For a show apparently inspired by Bojack Horseman, it lacks everything that made Bojack good

[@mooniedreams]

I was a serious defender of HB for so long, and I watched your videos from nearly the start of watching the first episodes of it while still mostly liking every part of the show. I was a teen when I started it and now I'm an adult and I've learned a lot along the years about writing, story and character progression and honestly, it was getting harder to enjoy the show. Then HH dropped. I remember being in my first year of high school and adoring the HH pilot, I was SO excited for years. But then I watched HH and it made me so disappointed. I honestly was so critical and mad at it that I then hoped HB would fix that hole in my heart, but it just...took the rose colored glasses off, I suppose? And I was finally seeing flaws I ignored in the show. I dropped HB after Apology Tour cause I just didn't enjoy it anymore. It really sucks cause I've been enjoying Viv's content since I was like 10 years old. Like yes, it's been that long and I think that played a part in why I stayed on it so long. But now we're getting newer and better written indie shows and now, I think I can let go. I hope the future for you looks up and you find shows you enjoy more, cause it's not fun if you don't enjoy it anymore

[@Sketching_stuff]

I totally get this I was so excited for episodes to come out and I would rewatch them at least twice and I don’t know what it was, this used to be one of my all time favourite shows but now even when a new episode was coming out in December, all I cared about was the new TADC episode that released before it.

[@ii-er2kp]

Agree, except honestly while Hazbin hotel is written pretty badly.... helluva boss season 2 is worse. Much worse.

[@SECONDCOMINGOFJESUSISHERE]

It's funny, it's a complete 180° for me, I hated it as a teen and now as a semi-functional (with a job and all crushed dreams) adult. I just view it as junk food entertainment, obviously not modelling my life or anything else after the characters. I even started to like the show's comedy. It is quite a fanfic coded show, but now I don't really mind it.

[@SpardaPSS]

This is exactly what happened for me, I was 13 years old when the pilot of HH released in was amazed about it, I watched it at least 10 times back then, but I can't do that with the full series and honestly it's sad that I just can't enjoy it as a I did when I was young, with HB I never actually liked it since the pilot but I just kept watching because it was a Vivziepop's work, but I never really fully enjoyed it.

[@meh4294]

SAME SAME SAME ,I actually relate to that since I was a huge fan of viv as a teen before HH's pilot ,waited with baited breath to watch what she'll be making ,then got slapped in the face after the fumble it fumbled

[@crazylemurs]

I’ve had fun being on the ride with you part of the way and while I’ll miss my little funsie digs to trying to work through not going postal on some of let’s say more “frustrating” aspects of the show(s), I’m so genuinely happy you are moving on and focusing on things that make you genuinely happy. Proud of you man.

[@BloodonMicah]

"wait for the writers to sort this out later" "wait for this issue to be addressed later" what do you mean I have to wait, 2 seasons in for this show to be engaging in any way.

[@acronolozki]

i like watching helluva boss because of the animation, its like looking at christmas lights, but the writing is HORRENDOUS so i never paid attention to it lmao eveything feels episodic

[@blitzbuttheissilent2229]

God. Those closing words were painful to listen. Huge ass mood right there in that ending, holy shit.

[@estelalopez6929]

People say stolas doesn’t blame himself but he does in the finale . 3 people wrote season 2 and more people will write season 4

[@Dude-do8vo]

I dislike how Internet culture ruined so many words by just overusing them... Like you're not a hater for critizizing something or pointing out flaws...but Internet culture made it that you have to 100 % love something or you're "the enemy" Helluvaboss and Hazbin Hotel are good shows but both have issues... Pacing, questionable plot points, too many main characters etc.

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

Dang, honestly never expected you to drop the show. Best of luck to you man, I'll still be here to watch your other vids And I also totally get you I dropped the show to for......MANY reasons

[@estelalopez6929]

More people will write season 4 and only 3 people wrote season 2 . People say stolas doesn’t blame himself but he does

[@thesupernaturalhouse]

@estelalopez6929 more people in the writing room jsut sounds like MORE of a disaster

[@LToll19-t5h]

I might jump ship soon, too. As much as I love the animation and characters, the story and writing behind it are frustrating to keep straight, not to mention how awful some people are in some circles.

[@SoggyWafflesXp]

I feel like a broken record with this but The most egregious thing about season 2 was when Moxie was almost given a moment to shine only for him to get taken out again. It didn’t work when they did it in S1 ep 5, it didn’t work then.

[@viktorlucious6585]

FINALLY! It's in words! You said it better than anyone else. The show sets up interesting and nuanced ideas and lessens their impact by playing it safe! I literally couldn't agree more. As much I grew to dislike this show due to Stolas not taking any accountability, it's refreshing to see someone criticize it in a way that's actually level-headed.

[@tinaj3279]

I think this is a much more dignified way to handle it than the weirdos on Twitter do. Knowing a piece of media no longer serves your interests and moving away from it is sad, but freeing. I know I’ll be sticking around with your channel regardless.

[@lexyruse603]

Another thing that just hit me. Why does Stella know that Stolas has been lending his book to Blitz. Why does Octavia. I wouldn't understand why he would tell Octavia but its incredibly unbelievably stupid that he would tell Stella. For something that he knew was extremely illegal he seemed not too worried about keeping it a secret

[@pegeta]

Its called bad writing, the only logical reason was Stella had a butler/maid imp that over seen it and reported it to her.

[@Murd3rousCrow]

This is something I've understood with all of Vivzie's work. It usually isn't all that deep, it's trying to be, but it feels more like the summery of a story you tell to a friend, where you just bring up your favorite moments and characters. It's less commentary on social issues and more teledrama. It's entertaining to watch the messy characters and the fun songs and pretty art. Both Hazbin and Helluva Boss are shows you're meant to watch just for fun, and not think too much.

[@BurningPurpleRoses]

I discovered your channel through Helluva boss videos, and while I’m not in a lot of the other fandoms you make videos about, I’m still gonna stick around. I find your videos informative and entertaining to watch. If making these videos feel like a chore, don’t make them. I had to learn the same thing, that making videos about things you’re not passionate about or that drain your energy just isn’t worth it. I wish you all the best and can’t wait for more videos in the new year. Happy Holidays 💜

[@CarlottaC-ex6vv]

i'm also tapping out- feels bittersweet but sooo excited for whatever you do next- more sarcastic summaries? happy late christmas & hanukkah

[@augustthenuz984]

What really makes me mad about mastermind is the fact that Stolas doesn't just testify normally. He could have saved his stupid song as a backup plan and just taken credit for the deal they made. And because of this I struggle to take any of the following drama seriously. Usually I can either miss or just not really care about this show's flaws because I'm not majorly invested in it, but for some reason this one really got to me. When I watched the finale I just kept thinking about how he could have made things better for himself by using a single braincell to DO THE FUCKING NORMAL THING IN THE SITUATION! TESTIFYING NORMALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST THING HE THOUGHT TO DO! Also the hypothetical alternative at around 15:42 sounds pretty cool! Also I was going to say something about the decision to stop making the videos on this series but words are just not wording. I respect the decision though 👍

[@eatatjoes6751]

Mastermind was the big turning point as to what was wrong worldbuilding wise for me, and Sinsmas just compounded it. Like, what do you mean Loona has friends?! We saw them once, and that was just a party Blitzo crammed himself into.

[@hoopitydoopity]

I won't say I'm happy you finally dropped the show because i know a lot of your fans love it and that would be mean...but THANK GOD you finally dropped this show, imo i always felt that the vivzieverse didn't really mesh well with the other types of shows you cover, even though there's nothing objectively different about them, as for myself i truly wasn't vibing with it anymore either, and my standards for the quality of media i consume are pretty low, almost nothing can deter me so it really does take a lot to turn me off of a show, and helluva boss/hazbin hotel somehow managed to do it, i don't feel like explaining why i don't like the show anymore so I'll just quote another person who explained my problems better than i ever could "the show/season 2 feels like a Fanfiction of itself"

[@estelalopez6929]

People say stolas doesn’t blame himself but he does . 3 people wrote Season 2 and more people will write season 3 and 4