Sardonicast 104: The Kung Fu Panda Trilogy

[@michaelscott8901]

Timestamps! 0:00 Intro, Kung Fu Panda Trilogy Discussion 1:48 Kung Fu Panda (spoilers) 21:45 Kung Fu Panda 2 (spoilers) 44:50 Kung Fu Panda 3 (spoilers) 1:14:18 Paul Feig upset about Ghostbusters box set 1:16:06 Joss Whedon being an asshole 1:17:11 The Rock responds to Vin Diesel (drama) 1:21:15 HBO Max cracked into the top 10 most downloaded apps in 2021 1:26:53 Pizza Time! I mean Question Time! 1:27:07 Do you think bigger studios will stop supporting auteur directors? 1:30:56 What’s your opinion on the concept of fan service? (not the anime meaning) 1:35:40 Would you guys be interested in seeing Spider-Man 4 or The Amazing Spider-Man 3 be made? 1:42:00 What movies and/or TV shows are you anticipating for 2022? 1:47:24 Next episode’s special guest recommends Faces (1968) (and also the Matrix 4 will be discussed too) There are no accidents! There is no secret ingredient! Skadoosh! Ka-chow! Happy Shrek!

[@michaelscott8901]

Good stuff as always boys! Just saw 5cream today, thought it was pretty mid but definitely had some parts that I appreciated. I think my most anticipated of the year is The Northman, and I guess also the Ari Aster film which I hadn’t realized was coming out so soon! Sounds like we got a couple of talented boys both releasing films in April, should be good

[@etgohome1343]

Thank you for your service.

[@Datjewboi]

Faces is the only one I haven’t seen from the Cassavetes box set

[@luiginastro8831]

@@michaelscott8901 On the same day even!

[@a_person64]

Cheers

[@jonsmith7575]

Adam doesn't like an animated movie if he doesn't think the villain is fuckable.

[@jaycartier7166]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jcnot9712]

The gays are cool but they can be a weird bunch sometimes xD

[@curlyguy2790]

Which was even more outstanding given how fuckable lord shen is

[@EpicGammingCrew]

Lol I love how literal Ralph takes everything “What’s the character you liked the least?” “The bad guy, cause he was evil”

[@GavinAeilts]

Cope? stay mad? Contiue being angry? adjust? Move on?

[@floppydysk]

@@GavinAeilts its so funny when people repeat things they read on twitter !11 !!

[@christianfox7431]

@@GavinAeilts wtf you on about mate?

[@Pheonix8877]

@@christianfox7431 basically, because he disagrees so vehemently, he believes you shouldn’t even have the right to express your opinion

[@puketinmoarliek994]

@@GavinAeiltstwittish

[@ajzeg01]

**Adum sees a cannon in real life** “Just get out of the way!”

[@bumfricker2487]

character did not dodge the cannonball *DING!*

[@jonah4588]

Oh yeah just move your house and possessions out of the way.

[@heretoschmooze348]

I don’t think Shen as a genocidal maniac is a hard thing to buy, he’s literally a pampered son of royalty who feels entitled to the throne and power. Committing genocide was because of his fear of the prophecy, not just because he’s bad.

[@curiosityunbound5460]

Power corrupting is one of the easiest motivations to buy, pretty much anyone no matter the backstory would act similarly when they've achieved so much power. Besides, he was just complaining about over explaining in the same movie, yet for some reason now it's not an issue and we need to fabricate a complex backstory for this simple motivation?

[@petergriffin1714]

“Just step out of the way” is such a nonsensical criticism💀 Yah ofcourse one on one canon, he could just move. But like the tower scene where they obliterated the building. That machinery and weapon is very destructive & as it develops it would get worse and worse. And yah the final fight scene in 1 is great but it’s entirely comedic and slapstick. Idk he might have adhd or something based on those criticisms

[@stenhansenmaling1281]

I have adhd and nah hes just not paying attention to the film it seems like

[@iamnotthatguy7166]

damn Mufasa did you ever consider not falling down that ravine?

[@solason3115]

Im really shocked that Adam understood the first movie but completely missed every thing in the second. Every issue he had with Shen was answered in the in the movie.

[@markbunst5961]

It wasn't a movie about a trans person sheltering themselves off from the world so he didn't pay attention

[@crw1367]

@@markbunst5961 what?

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

I respect Adams opinion on filmmaking a lot of the time, but he has some wildly bad takes that spring up every now and then. That along with his backhanded comments on How To Train Your Dragon show how completely he missed a lot of the smart writing and storytelling, along with the litany of other positives, in these movies

[@markbunst5961]

@@NathanFromTheCommentsSection he has a tendency to latch onto small things he doesn't like and let that completely override his opinion. Take for example the cannons in Kung Fu Panda 2, its about them representing the end of Kung Fu a d an entire way of life in China. He just latches onto "they can just move out of the way" and doesn't think about how cannons revolutionize how wars are fought when you can just blow away an army of masters who have trained their entire lives.

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

@@markbunst5961 he really does, yeah. That tendency can be pretty funny in his YMS videos when he rails of movies for inconsistencies but it does make him miss the point of their purpose in the narrative at a larger scale. To be fair, the movie does kind of throw out that "it's the end of Kung Fu" phrase without fully explaining it. My kid brain upon first watching the movie was just like "uh, cannons won't stop you from practicing martial arts dummies", but the purpose of that reaction means that Kung Fu, their method of defending their lives and their loved ones, is now invalidated by the destruction these weapons can cause. That's blatantly obvious in real life as well; the advent of gunpowder and firearms in Japan effectively brought an end to the samurai and their traditional methods of combat.

[@Plasmabolt64]

In regards to Adam's comment on Shen's weapon being a cannon that people can move out of the way of. Yeah thats true. But well... houses cant move, walls, slow moving ships, etc. So I think that’s still pretty threatening. Especially when he had a whole armada

[@randomness928]

Ok but this was the “weapon to end kung fu”. That was what it was made for. It was made for the purposes of killing kung fu masters, not destroying buildings.

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

@@randomness928 It was the "end of Kung Fu" in that it was meant to be a weapon to invalidate Kung Fu. Punches and kicks cant defend a village from cannons.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

I wish Alex and Ralph were more opinionated so to refute Adam's takes when he gets them wrong. The second movie's discussion was painful. Saying Lord Shen was not interesting was eyebrow-raising (watch his last scene with the Soothsayer: everything from abandonment to megalomania to need for aproval to even self hate is there under layers and layers).

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

I agree. They're both cool guys and I enjoy hearing them discuss things, but I feel like we could get some really biting back-and-forth if we had another opinionated guy like Adam. The other two are either too nice/passive to really take a hard stance on the opposite opinion, or simply don't know/care enough about the specific filmmaking techniques or the film in question to properly refute one of Adams takes.

[@irotinmyskin]

Exactly. Lord Shen has no right being such a fleshed out, troubled and complex character in a "children's movie". Adam not getting it was incredibly shocking but not surprising. He tends to reject anything that isn't super "artsy" or "musically challenging". Him talking about how you can get out of the way of the cannon is just ridiculous and completely missed the point.

[@killingtime5363]

Looks like you don't understand what an opinion is

[@irotinmyskin]

@@killingtime5363 yeah, he is entitled to his opinion, we are entitled to think his opinion is ridiculous.

[@killingtime5363]

@@irotinmyskin Sure you are. I just see a lot of people saying Adam should be called out for being wrong on KFP2. You may disagree with his opinion, but there is no right or wrong way with interpreting a movie. He watched the movie and didn't connect with the villian as much as the first one and he explained that.

[@cloak5857]

Adum to Civil War Soldiers: "JUST MOVE, IDIOTS! CANNONS ARE USELESS!"

[@caitlinkristophermccabe2943]

I'm getting "ghosts can't have emotions" flashbacks

[@oneshot8109]

Cannons on a battlefield are fired from long distances that the targets can't even see. In KFP2, the characters are aware of what the cannon does, but they think they can just block or deflect the hit somehow. Dodging is clearly a part of martial arts, something all these masters should be thinking about all the time, but they only realize it at the very end...

[@MalzraAirwynn]

@@oneshot8109 The two main instances of this really are at the start, where the cannon is new and they don't know what to expect. And then Po at the end where he's worn down and on a little island or whatever, and he actually does manage to deflect it, and then turn it back on Shen to dismantle his forces. I don't really recall any other scenes in the movie of characters just standing around waiting for cannons to go off.

[@oneshot8109]

@@MalzraAirwynn are you kidding me... The scene where Po tried to corner Shen and ask about his parents, the creators obviously tried to put them on a narrow platform so that Po would have no other choice than to block the cannon with his wok. Meaning they had that plot hole in mind and created situations where they can't dodge (even though you can also just lay flat on the ground or jump and avoid it that way too). There's a whole bit during the final battle where Po moves around too fast for the henchmen to aim the cannon at him. That was all they had to do the whole time. Why is this so controversial? The movie itself draws so much attention to it, how is everyone just denying that it's even a minor issue.

[@oneshot8109]

@Jonathan Jones uh yeah...? Boxers are supposed to dodge so they don't get knocked out... That's like the most important skill you can learn in any sort of fighting sport.

[@andrewheaney4874]

17:42 I actually disagree with this assessment on Lucy Liu's Viper not being much of a character (though I do agree with the assessment on Jackie Chan's Monkey and Seth Rogen's Mantis; those two don't have much going for them besides their voice actors). In all three movies, she's by far the genuinely kindest and sweetest out of all of the central characters; constantly apologizing to Po and her friends if and when she does something wrong, genuinely sympathizing with other characters including Po, showing genuine concern for Po even before he's the dragon warrior, etc. I actually think this is a great subversion of how snakes are typically portrayed in films in general, where snakes are usually portrayed in an extremely negative light. I can understand her not having as much development as Tigress, Po, Shifu, Oogway, and to a lesser extent Crane, but I genuinely enjoyed her character nonetheless.

[@trevise684]

she actually gets quite a bit of development, and even episodes dedicated to her in the tv show, its not at nearly the same level as the movies, but they did try to add more character through it

[@thelastattempt666]

The movies don't do enough with the furious five even if Po tended to hype them up as these great warriors he always wanted to meet. The movie needed to give us more scenes with them acting as a tram, almost like a family, but we never truly get that. Hence, their lack of character development.

[@ohyeayea68]

Positive snake representation

[@bobwall8021]

Bruh. Oogway was teaching a lesson, he was trying to strengthen his legacy, shifu would have learned nothing if he beat tai lung for him again, shifu needed to face him alone in order to achieve inner peace. The cannon shit? It was symbolic for technology versus kung fu, a common theme in kung fu movies, and it's about kung fus place in modern times. Also, the cannon was fucking alien tech to them, the characters go around snatching arrows and doing super human feats all the time. They were prideful, and they thought nothing could beat their kung fu. When he kills flying rhino flying rhino thought he could take it. Now it has this reputation of defeating one of the best kung fu warriors around, which made it scarey. I think adam is just unfamiliar with chinese kung fu movies, this was meant to pay homage to them

[@TheStormthehedgehog]

I think Adam understands Oogway needed to exit the movie for Shifu to grow, it's just that his death comes out of nowhere and feels more like he's willingly dying cuz the script needs him to.

[@randomness928]

Here’s why I’M right and YOU’RE wrong about this children’s film

[@bobwall8021]

@@TheStormthehedgehog maybe that's how it feels at first, but even during the scene you get the feeling that oogway is done trying to talk Shifu into taking in Poe. This was oogways way of making shifu do it, because it might of been the only way he would. And after that, his death is what sets things in motion. I mean the turtle could basically predict the future so it makes sense he would pick the time in order to get the outcome he wanted

[@tanner201x8]

@@randomness928 Yeah but Adum is genuinely wrong tho

[@XSR95]

Kung Fu Panda 2 is still one of the best paced movies I've seen.

[@schmebulockjizz]

?? Whos other youtuber words are that

[@nickanator2442]

@@schmebulockjizz what?

[@ghoul4081]

@@nickanator2442 ?? Whos other KZbinr words are that

[@mischr13]

@@ghoul4081 what?

[@emmanuelc6685]

i strongly agree

[@thrallfan1056]

Adum to China in the Opium wars: "The British fleet only have cannons. JUST MOVE OUT OF THE WAY lmao"

[@pempotfoy6206]

Chinese also had cannons, it was a dodging war

[@Sandybowls_9001]

Dang I couldn't disagree more with adum about KFP2, I love the villain in that one.

[@moritzzz1]

Kung Fu Panda 2 is so underappreciated is ridiculous

[@returnalnocturnal7729]

@@moritzzz1 Kung Fu Panda 2 is the G.O.A.T out of the trilogy and I will die on this hill

[@UncleHyena]

@@returnalnocturnal7729 I will hold your hand as we die on this hill…if you’ll allow me?

[@HellGrimo]

Lord Shen is pure brilliance. Design, how he's animated, his motivations and insecurites, his cruelty, how cold and indifferent he is towards his minions. His fight sequences, and the casting. Gary Oldman KILLS it. Not liking him is only showing lack of understanding of well written villains. I like Tai Lung too but for completely different reasons and his power and ferocity are sure his selling points. Then there is JK Simmons cow T_T. Ugh. He feels so boring compared to other two... But I guess the over relying on cutesy panda babies and one note it's funny cuz he's fat jokes around all panda villagers just makes KFP3 so bland compared to other 2...

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

I like how when adum breaths while they're talking about kfp2, they already knew that he's disagreeing with them.

[@vfxninja5503]

Adum: "how do buildings even get bombed just like move out of the way, 9/11 was so stupid they should have just moved the building"

[@RickRaptor105]

Reminds me of people critizing the lightspeed crash in The Last Jedi. "Commercial airflight has been around so long, why did it take till 2001 for someone to crash a plane into a building? Why is post-9/11 warfare not constantly utilizing planes as makeshift bombs? PLOTHOLE!"

[@R0CKDRIG0]

@@RickRaptor105 What the hell is that comparison. What's the negative of using lightspeed as a weapon constantly if it's as cheap as to be on every ship and is as destructive as to decimate dozens if not hundreds of ships at a time. The whole war logic of the series would have to be different to account for this. The climax of the original movie would have been resolved with a single ship lightspeeding.

[@DysnomiaFilms]

@@RickRaptor105 Kamikaze has been around since at least WWII.

[@Houston7001]

@@RickRaptor105 There are unmanned planes called "missiles" that accomplish this. Why are there no lightspeed missiles in that universe if they are so efficient?

[@BSBSDerivative]

Adam: it's a dragon but it's a dog and the entire film relies on that Ralph: and that makes it a terrible movie? 😂

[@BSBSDerivative]

@Jonathan Jones so it was. Fixed it now. Thank you, I just woke up

[@iamnotthatguy7166]

did he watch the same movie as the rest of the crew?

[@newthejsterjacob408]

I don’t get adums point about the moving out of the way part. Because in all the scenes before the one where they did move out of the way of the canon they were either caught by surprise and didn’t have time to react, or were in a situation where moving out of the way was impossible. The only scene that isn’t like that is with the rhino guy but he purposely plants himself because he thinks he can take the blow. Like sure that could be a fair argument but there isn’t really a scene in the movie where that’s applicable

[@lucasalvarez5279]

The most interesting part of this episode for me is Adam not commenting much whenever Ralph and Alex really dig something. He still makes his viewpoint clear, but he still respectfully gives room for the praise. I just thought it was nice

[@NathanFromTheCommentsSection]

They've always been respectful guys, even when Adam wildly disagrees with the others, which I like a lot about them.

[@Swaggerpede]

Oh my god I’m so ready. I’m just Lord Shen’s hype man at this point. His number 1 Stan so let’s goooo

[@Swaggerpede]

ADAM IS JUST GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN TO BE QUIRKY MEET ME IN THE STREET SAY U DINT LIKE KFP2 TO MY FACE I DARE U

[@rileyspeck4918]

“Until he learns to move out of the way of the cannons.” That’s literally the opposite of what happens, Po learns to catch and deflect them not dodge them.

[@Iced_Milk_NNF]

How does adum not realize that an armada of Canon ships is world changing. They would own the ocean, all trade routes and could desimate most villages and cities.

[@UncleHyena]

Lord Sheng is fricking awesome yo! I love the personal connection Po and Sheng have, it reminded me a lot of Norman Osborn and Peter Parker. The way Sheng used Po’s trouble past against him was so malicious and it made him far more stronger as a villain compared to the other 2

[@L3ghair]

I don’t often say this but Adum’s critique of “just move out of the way of the cannon” is extremely nitpicky lol, I’m not a fan of these films or anything so it isn’t that, it just seems like such a petty thing to knock a film for.

[@derenzo127]

a canon that can only hit in one direction unless you move how is criticizing that nitpicky

[@gabbagabbahey4928]

The cannon is scary because, a it is new, b you can't move city's or town out the way Adam. Adam are you scared of a sword? You can move out of the way of that.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

Yeah, people already freeze in front of guns, imagine how intimidating a cannon would be. Maybe the kung fu fighters can learn to avoid it (which don't they actually do later in the film?), but common people cannot do anything against it (that's why in real life gunpowder changed the rules of combat).

[@theman44ful]

People actually arguing about kung fu panda 2 and the use of cannons is so funny to me

[@rohanbeer1654]

Yeah but the canon is so fucking slow compared to a gun or a sword

[@bezglavigekoofficial7649]

@@rohanbeer1654 but they're not shooting people with rubber bullets, they're explosive. Do you think that real life cannons are aimed at people? No, they're used to destroy builidings, ships etc. Even if you "move out of the way" you're still getting injured

[@gabbagabbahey4928]

@@rohanbeer1654 how fast can cities move?

[@daniilromanenko3677]

Hard disagree on Adum's take on How To Train Your Dragon and that it only relies on its cute factor.. First of all, Toothless is endearing not just because he's cute, but also because he slowly starts to trust and form a connection with Hiccup, and because he shows genuine compassion to the humans despite how they treat him.. he's basically DreamWorks' equivalent of Wall-E and has easily just as much personality and depth as him. Second, the movie actually *does* have a lot more to offer than just the cute factor - it's primarily about prejudice and fear and how people can overcome it, and also, it's not even about Toothless and the other dragons as much as it's about the *relationship* that they form with the humans

[@iwillchopyoudown3100]

i dont even like the movie that much, but 100% agree

[@etalex7074]

I mean everything you just described can be attributed to pretty much any movie about befriending animals in the wilderness

[@vjara94]

I couldn't finish the 1rst, I can't stand the "liar" cliche, movies like this or over the hedge or shark tale, where the hero becomes a hero upon with a lie, I just can't handle that plot cliche, I just find myself inventing in my head a story where the protagonist explained everything from the start and avoid all the things that you now are coming once his lie is revealed.

[@daniilromanenko3677]

@@vjara94 yeah I don't like that cliche either but I still feel like HTTYD is way more substantive than Adum gave it credit for

[@daniilromanenko3677]

@@etalex7074 true, but Adum basically talked about Toothless as if he were a Disney animal sidekick

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

Adum pointlessly hating on How to Train Your Dragon is very in character lol

[@UncleHyena]

Despite the madness in his KFP2 argument, there is merit in his How to Train your Dragon argument. I still love HTYD

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

@@UncleHyena I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. How to Train Your Dragon has the same or near the same level of character writing as KFP in my opinion. The main thread of the HTTYD story is about self acceptance. The dragon is pure black in part because it is a representation of the character's "shadow". It's the part of him that makes him special but he feels like he needs to hide from his father. The dragon is an extention of the protagonist. Not "literally just a dog". I think Adums point was shallow and dismissive.

[@UncleHyena]

@@Paradox-dy3ve like I said, I still love HTYD for some of the insightful reasons you’ve sent and just because how much I adored the music, the voice cast (minus TJ miller) and the bond between Toothless and Hiccup, specifically their parallel arcs. I’m not agreeing with Adum at all, I’m fact I disagree too. I just think his argument is based on something that is not refutable (mostly because it comes down to subjectivity) and that’s if you find toothless as well as the relationship between Toothless and Hiccup endearing, it easier to love the film and absorb the other nuances like this idea you mention of Toothless being the ‘shadow’ of his self. I think this film as you pointed out hinges on Toothless and Hiccup, which you would expect for this type of journey. I personally and I assume you, really love this type of story but Adum is just personally not a fan and I think I can *understand* that, which is why I think his argument has merit. It’s not just dismissing sltbough admittedly, Adum can be prone to that, it’s usually because he just doesn’t know how to express his own opinion in a way where it’s clearly is own. It’s always “the movie is bad” and not “the movie for me, it didn’t work at all” and he really should work on that it’s annoying especially when you’re passionate about a film he’s talking about. Maybe I’m wording this wrong, I probably am

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

@@UncleHyena I get what you're saying 👍I just think that's a bit of an overly generous and unwarranted interpretation of what Adum said. I still think Adum didn't make a valuable point. I think Adum misses the point of popular fiction quite often, and this is just another example. But you're bringing up some interesting ideas for sure. I just think Adum is kind of a bad critic for popular things. He seems to root against things that are traditional for some reason. It's always a pleasure to hear his strange takes on art house cinema and other things! And he seems like a basically good person with a fun personality so I enjoy hearing him on the show. Even when I think his takes are trash 🤣

[@UncleHyena]

@@Paradox-dy3ve maybe, personally, I don’t think so. Mainly because he has said that many times when he says a movie is “bad” he wishes it was implied that that’s just his opinion because by nature it is. But I may be a bit too generous idk. It’s just that I find myself agreeing with Adum a lot usually (like with Tenet) so maybe thats why I don’t think his opinions on popular traditional movies, are that bad. Also he loves Lion king and that’s as traditional as you can get

[@thetank1311]

It's great to hear Ralph talk a lot more in these recent episodes. It feels great to hear all three of them talk as equally as possible, which can be tough to balance with three people. Although it feels weird to critique podcasts since it's just complaining about how a few friends talk to eachother which feels odd to me, but I'm really enjoying the the cast lately, thanks for the effort everyone puts in!

[@My20GUNS]

I always appreciate "kids" shows/movies that deal with heavy themes like genocide & war in a mature/interesting way. (Which is why Kung Fu Panda 2 is my favorite).

[@schmebulockjizz]

Just saw it the other day, genocide and war were definetly not main themes. It was fascism more like

[@HOTD108_]

@@schmebulockjizz Doesn't facism inherently bring genocide and war? It's kind of an implied consequence of facism.

[@vincentpauvarel]

Alex's "You're gonna get shit for that" response to Adum's commentary on How to train your dragon was hilarious

[@vincentpauvarel]

@Tuscan417 really? for some reason it sounded a lot like Alex to me, I could be wrong though

[@nimboppable123]

lmao can you get the timestamp? I can't lie the conversation felt so uncomfortable during KFP 2 I couldn't watch the whole thing

[@vincentpauvarel]

@@nimboppable123 20:48

[@nimboppable123]

@@vincentpauvarel thanks!

[@drexdripler3444]

I think he said “you’re going to to get shit for that”

[@dimsumboy22]

this episode. Ralph and Alex talk about the movie, Adum poo poos it every once in awhile

[@samaukland1418]

So, every episode that covers a fun movie then.

[@SandersCat_yo]

Adum hates fun

[@TheStormthehedgehog]

Shen’s motivation is that he felt betrayed by his parents so he decided to take over Gongmen City. Then I guess he just got power hungry and wanted to take China. You’ll notice every single villains motivations in these films is feeling betrayed by someone they loved when in reality it was their own fault.

[@Dar454Ko]

man, I like adum but he fixates in the stupidest things sometimes

[@jaden_bricker]

Sometimes?

[@kwazhims3lf]

i wish he would fixate on synecdoche NY FFS

[@lukec6d9]

@@kwazhims3lf ya that movie got hella problems still good tho

[@GOLDFISH817]

Nope

[@johnsneaker4356]

Like what?

[@ronanoconnell7281]

Alex and Ralph: I really love the themes, art design, technical decisions and pace. Adam: But Po didn’t jump out of the way of the canon. Adam lacks the ability to overcome small literal details in movies in criticism. He did it for No Way Home and does it all the time.

[@etalex7074]

Whether or not you agree with it, not being able to connect with things like the villains motivations and cinematography is a pretty big problem that goes beyond literal details.

[@BSBSDerivative]

Kung Fu Panda 2 is a far better film than No Way Home as well

[@etalex7074]

@Jonathan Jones how?

[@trentkelsey4730]

He actively TRIES to dislike things

[@sketchyjulia]

@@etalex7074 I agree, but like, you can’t rly move out of the way of a canon lol. Especially not buildings or unsuspecting citizens

[@lukerowe3230]

1:43:02 pattinson said in an interview that he’s mapped in his head where his batman could go if sequels are made and that the prospect of it makes him excited…not sure where Adam heard otherwise.

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

I was gonna leave a comment about that. Adum basically stated a rumour as a fact, not to mention I think he used the word headline. I did research and couldn’t find an article that talked about that at all. So most likely it’s just a rumour he heard online and just used the wrong language. Maybe he believes that rumour but one word change would have been more truthful. Not to mention, it is just a rumour at this point, sharing it probably isn’t a good idea. If that came out as a legitimate, backed with quotes, official newspiece, then yeah mention it. But if it’s a rumour then either don’t bring it up or just preface by saying “this isn’t confirmed” or “I heard a rumour”

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

That’s more noteworthy to me than his nonsensical criticisms of movies. Someone might take that as a fact and not do any research, or even get sucked into a rumour and speculation hole without a regard for genuine facts.

[@mitchellgeorge6031]

King Fu Panda 2 is legitimately one of the best sequels ever made. It improves on the first film in every way.

[@MrBarborosa]

Nah it's good, but the first is definitely better

[@anthonyhenriques7654]

I've strongly disagreed with Adum (How To Train Your Dragon) and Ralph (Death Proof), but I have yet to disagree with anything Alex has said since they started the podcast (:

[@oscarr9723]

Alex typically comes off the least extreme with some of his takes, but the one I’m thinking could stick out might be his opinion on the dark knight.

[@plasmasnake4774]

Didn’t Alex and Ralph have pretty much the same opinion of Death Proof?

[@trentkelsey4730]

Alex doesn’t make an effort to outright dislike things, he just goes with it and develops his opinion naturally. Adum is just very specific with what he likes and dislikes so he’s extremely close-minded. Ralph is somewhere in the middle, but when a filmmaker attempts something that’s similar to what he likes he falls into the same problem as Adum. I guarantee if Scorsese made the same exact Joker movie that Todd Phillips did, he would have loved it

[@anthonyhenriques7654]

@@trentkelsey4730 well I don't know how they would have felt about it but even if Scorsese had directed that movie I still don't think I would have liked it very much. don't get me wrong there's a lot to love about the film but I just don't think it's nearly half as great as everyone else thought it was.

[@RoshDroz]

Alex is the Sardonicast GOAT

[@FrenchFries2]

This has to be one of my personal favourite trilogies; it's up there with the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy. These films are just a lot of fun whilst still having a character, which you emphasise with, much like the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy.

[@SonicHaXD]

Comments : I can't believe Adum didn't like the second Kung Fu Panda movie. Me : ADUM DIDN'T LIKE HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON!!! XD

[@PashaSherko]

Honestly that was the only thing that threw me off like bruh how the heck someone not gonna like that movie

[@HOTD108_]

Oh no, the subreddit is going to have an Indiana Jones moment again. Fuck.

[@MTart96]

I’m sure he’d love, “How to Drain Your Dragon” 😉

[@StiffyGriffy]

Confirmed: toothless isn't sexy enough for Adam

[@ДоопЕндер]

After the How to train your Dragon 1 critisism, I'm really intersted how Adam would react to the second movie, since that movie doesn't rely for the most part on the "Thoothless being a dog" part of the franchise.

[@RickRaptor105]

But it does the "protagonist reunites with long lost parent" trope, which Adam also hates

[@petergriffin1714]

@@RickRaptor105 if he didn’t like 1 he won’t like 2 or 3. But yah it’s ridiculous how he boils it down to “cute dog” as if thats all it is. There’s way to it with Hiccup & his dead, the burden of legacy, expectations & identity. Belonging & purpose. As far as the lost parent trope, like yah it’s a trope. Big whoop. It’s all about execution & what you do with it. A story can have surprising or familiar beats, but it’s all about how you use them. A movie being shocking and full of twists just to have twists doesn’t make it good. A movie having tropes doesn’t make it bad. I hate how simple and dismissive he is. You can not like them but to say all they are is just cute dog is beyond stupid. That’s no different than me boiling matrix 1 down to “oh it’s just cheesy slow mo computer bad”

[@sketchyjulia]

Wait a few months Alex will probably recommend it lol

[@channelname5345]

lmao ralph at 1:13:08. "they're mostly pretty good except Seth Rogan who can go fuck himself" that killed me

[@LucasC2022]

So Adam was into the first film but not the second? Kinda surprised, went into this expecting it to be the other way around.

[@superanxiety261]

KUNG FU PANDA TRILOGY LEES GOOOOOOO, Kung Fu Panda 2 is so phenomenal, in my opinion of course

[@just2good]

Adum and Alex’s first Cassavetes LET’S GO

[@OnMyWayToAsakura]

Didn't expect to see you here!! I've been loving your top 10 Lego videos.

[@ajzeg01]

Seriously, when are they gonna get you on the podcast?

[@KFP_Fanboy]

Hi! You like Kung Fu Panda? It’s crazy to see you here. I’m LEGO Igor btw, this is my main account.

[@yezen6889]

You gotta get on this and be one with the sards

[@MichaelMichael-us6wq]

I was hoping woman under the influence would be their first choice. Especially for me.

[@RickRaptor105]

Now I can't wait for them to review the How to train your dragon trilogy next year. EDIT: OK after hearing Adam shit on HTTYD I *really* want them to review that.

[@dejorgik536]

tbh this feels as if they hung out for a Kung Fu Panda Marathon and while Ralph and Alex were watching the movies Adum just got drunk half way through or something

[@SapientGalaxy]

Everyone's so focused on Adam's dumb cannon comment that they missed the most important revelation in this episode. Ralph has finally corrected his opinion on the Madagascar trilogy and come to accept the third movie as the masterpiece that it is.

[@HellGrimo]

Ah Kung Fu Panda Trilogy! My favorite 2 movies!

[@Swaggerpede]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[@moistnar]

It's strange to me that a person with Adam's level of movie expertise would get so latched onto the textual elements of KFP2 and miss the metaphorical reasons why the textual elements exist. It's like the popular response to Annihilation except with someone I actually respect

[@calebjohncushing]

So excited for the guest!!! Been waiting for this one for a while.

[@MultiApfelmuss]

The reason that Adam didn't like the second villian is because he wasn't attracted to him

[@thecinematicmind]

Open and Shut Case right there.

[@trentkelsey4730]

I’m convinced Adum ran out of time to watch Kung Fu Panda 2 and just skimmed the Cinemasins video or something

[@FlippySuper]

Really glad you tackled this trilogy, its one of my favorites.

[@cinemacola6398]

Love the first two Kung Fu Panda movies, but I know damn well Adam is gonna point out some shit that's gonna make me go 😑

[@TheArnold1234567890]

Ralph's word of the day, "sure"

[@QuantumPineapple]

I've been waiting for this video ever since the Sardonicast was first conceived.

[@Andythedrew1]

Love ya Adum, but I don’t follow your logic about cannons and moving out of the way…. Aren’t cannons super dangerous weapons that were used for centuries? And the movie makes a point to show that cannons are most effective when used against crowds and with the element of surprise. Plus that “it will part you” line is great. Adum can feel however he likes, that’s just my two cents.

[@ilovecody7514]

It's time!!! How Alex feels about the Madagascar trilogy is how I feel about the Kung Fu Panda Trilogy, but unironically because god damn are these movies fun and have a lot of heart. Also having Gary Oldman play a genocidal Peacock worked out way better than it had any right to. Edit: Also kind of sad everyone shat on Viper who I honestly thought was adorable and sweet.

[@squeedles_1943]

Adum could not be more wrong about the second movie. It's not a perfect movie, but it is as good if not better than the first. I can't believe he hated it as much as he did

[@ygsr]

5/10 isn't hating it lol

[@R0CKDRIG0]

@@ygsr it is when it should be an 8 or 9.

[@ygsr]

@Jonathan Jones it was nitpicky for sure, but I thought it was pretty clear he thought it was alright, just overrated compared to the first film. He admitted that the animation was great and that it was mostly competent on a technical level, so a 5/10 seems justified.

[@ygsr]

@@R0CKDRIG0 I always personally liked the first Kung Fu Panda way more than the second, so that's just subjective. I would not give Kung Fu Panda 2 above a 7/10.

[@Swaggerpede]

Adam is objectively wrong sorry sweaty try again

[@dmkq9554]

Just tell the tower to get out of the way of course

[@skonczylosie64]

the first kung fu panda movie is probably one of my all time favorites. My younger brother and I are ten years apart so when I was in my early teens and he was a baby he used to watch it almost every day and I can recall almost every line of dialogue (well of the Polish dub but still) and yet I'm not sick of it. I need to rewatch it sometime. Also I was a chubby kid that didn't want to move that much, so the character of Po always resonated with me. Very nice discussion all around, glad to hear everyone liked the first one and Adam's ben shapiroing of kung fu panda 2's antagonist was fun to listen to even though I disagree with everything he said. Nice discussion all around

[@luckyspurs]

47:05 You could almost feel the huge sense of relief from all 3 that they could somewhat get on the same page again. From Ralph especially.

[@SandersCat_yo]

everything has to be serious and perfect for adum huh

[@jgv6323]

If he sees 1 small ass flaw in a movie, he gets into a 5 minute rant about how the filmakers are lazy or something similar to that just for that 1 flaw.

[@doodelbopgames]

it's funny as shit honestly

[@waterwaveybaby]

This and the how to train your dragon are 2 of the best animated trilogies of all time

[@somuchsalt2810]

Comparing how Adam talked about Shrek 4 to Kung Fu Panda 2, they don’t sound at all like the same 5/10 rating. The way he described Shrek 4 was far more positive.

[@etalex7074]

That could be because it was right after Shrek 3 and he was talking comparatively

[@rafaelbrandao4059]

Aw, man, I was sure Ralph was gonna say "I'm Ralph from the Furious Five".

[@MalzraAirwynn]

I didn't really feel that Po had to relearn fighting in the second one. He seemed to do well in terms of that. it was just his past coming back to haunt him and causing emotional distress, and he had to eventually recenter himself and find peace, not the physical aspect of how well he can fight.

[@etalex7074]

I think what’s funny is that nobody in the comments is talking about Kung-Fu Panda 3

[@luiginastro8831]

'cause it's not good. Not as good as the first two, at least. It's fine.

[@jimothycool]

Dropped just in time for my lunch break Hell Yeah Brother.

[@fatememolaei2680]

Joel and sardonicast is the thing I wanted for the past year Thank you

[@randomness928]

Please remember, even though Adam has said this for years: you can still enjoy a film despite someone else disliking it, and you don’t have any control over whether or not someone connects with something that you connected with.

[@risingrlyeh]

This was a great episode as always, I'm super hyped for Joel Haver!

[@timothymcqueen3408]

When Ralph mentioned Charlie Kaufman I fucking lit up! Being John Malkovich & Adaptation and Kung Fu Panda & Kung Fu Panda 2 are my two favorite double features and now they're connected in my head.

[@milescone5644]

Lol I love how they don't know that anime fan service is Booba and panty shots

[@Rohmerfan45]

I read the stage play of ‘The Whale’ way back in the day- it’s really great!!

[@CaeiTridz]

That Kung Fu Panda 2 discussion was pretty damn awkward.

[@Swaggerpede]

Couldn’t finish it, adum 2 cring

[@UncleHyena]

19:49 Did Ralph just reference Breaking Bad with a Tuco impression? I think he did

[@BSBSDerivative]

Yes he did 😂 I always end up doing that when I use tight in a sentence

[@UncleHyena]

@@BSBSDerivative my friend and I do too! We also like to reference placeboing’s remix

[@LincolnAKAVenox]

Yo I was hoping they would cover this trilogy!

[@jackwhite2654]

No one talks about the How to Train your Dragon books. They are my favorite series of children's books, and they're so much better than the movies. The last two books made me cry.

[@R0CKDRIG0]

Are they even that related? I'm reading a summary of book two and it's nothing like the first movie besides characters' names.

[@nimboppable123]

@@R0CKDRIG0 Nah, they're completely different. They take some names and vague ideas but that's about it

[@ygsr]

First time I listened to the How to Train Your Dragon audio book I disliked it because it was so different from the movie that I loved at the time, but after reading the rest of the books and with time I've realised just how much personality the books have compared to the very formulaic films. The serious moments hit a lot harder in the books, because it spends a lot more time on being weird and quirky.

[@toonghee3818]

I was disappointed by the first film because it was so different from the books. The books are really fun and have an "edgy" tone to them that I really liked. I kinda get if you like the How to Train Your Dragon films if you've never experienced the books, but I was sorely disappointed by the first film with how it almost didn't resemble the books except for the fact that it has a kid and a dragon in it.

[@markparkinson6947]

18:32 "Is Seth Rogen in any other Dreamworks film?" Yes. Aside from Monsters vs Aliens, he also played a minor role in Shrek 3.

[@anthonyhenriques7654]

_the more you know!_

[@markparkinson6947]

@@anthonyhenriques7654 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXWZoqeZZ8R0h6M

[@anthonyhenriques7654]

@@markparkinson6947 exactly!

[@markparkinson6947]

@@anthonyhenriques7654 😉👍

[@ryanstearn1253]

I would rate them like this KFP: 10/10 KFP2: 9/10 KFP3: 6/10

[@schaffy_]

Kung Fu Panda 2 made me cry

[@criticclips1560]

Where is adum getting that pattison batman info from ? pattinson wants to do a sequel.

[@waywardlaser]

Is it ironic if a furry hates a movie because a dragon acts like a dog?

[@petergriffin1714]

There’s a lot of stuff with the father/son dynamic & themes about legacy/expectations in general. It’s definitely not just ‘oh cute dragon’. Insanely dumb criticism that makes zero sense, very surface level that just is completely wrong

[@taufikhidayatlubis2890]

@@petergriffin1714 ikr! I'm so triggered when he said that

[@Fomortiis100]

I think a lot of people will give extra credit to children's media for having darker themes or story beats purely for the sake of itself, regardless of how much they actually compliment the core narrative.

[@miniminerx]

Love this trilogy

[@etgohome1343]

Though I love the first movie I totally understand the Ghostbusters indifference, it's no masterpiece but a lot of fun

[@GentlemanOrcus1]

Yeah, my dad (RIP) kind of balked when RLM called it like the best comedy movie ever? It's good with great chemistry between the actors but not the best comedy ever. I think you had to be there

[@etgohome1343]

@@GentlemanOrcus1 The script is really solid and funny too, but to say it's a film making masterpiece is weird. I love it, but I'd only give it like a 7 you know?

[@trevinhs]

Iirc Jackie Chan dubs himself in english/mandarin in his live-action movies, and he had an animated series run for like 5 seasons where he voices the main character, so he is at least experienced at voice acting.

[@elliotwilson7050]

Although he didint voice a character in the animated series

[@trevinhs]

@@elliotwilson7050 Ah yes, poor research on my part. He doesn't voice his character, he just appears in some live-action segments at the end of the episodes.

[@fromvault801]

Oh damn Ghostbusters 2016 won a kids choice award? Thats worth using as leverage against Sony

[@CyclopsToppingWolverine]

Back on the animation train, praying one day the boys talk about Surf's Up, aka the best animated movie

[@kieranleehamilton]

Will never forget Chelsea Rebecca from Dead Meats perfect description of the Star Wars/Marvel moment in Free Guy; feels like you’re dying and your brain’s rapidly trying to make sense of it by just throwing any recognisable shit your way as you fade out

[@carter_lovejoy]

Now I’m hoping the boys will talk about the How to Train Your Dragon trilogy!

[@jgv6323]

The entire episode would be filled with Adum completely missing the point of the trilogy

[@bennyhana7277]

Adum wouldn’t watch the movies, he’d go off of “his memory” but still somehow would have more to say about them than the other two

[@EpicGammingCrew]

1:34:20 I appreciated your Hannibal reference adum

[@R0CKDRIG0]

1:26:02 Yes, thank you! They should have an automated way to work with licensed content, Adam. The problem is KZbin is non profitable, so the higher-ups don't care about bettering the service. KZbin exists for propaganda and to avoid competitors to rise up and challenge its narratives, any other inoffensive service users provide is just being tolerated.

[@DJGamingSmash]

First two are awesome, third one is eh. Kind of like How I felt about the Dragons trilogy, thought the first one is by far better than 2 which is by far better than 3. Also, my local theaters still say Morbius is playing despite the delay to April.

[@johnkobebalod9211]

KungFu Panda 3 is a good movie that caps off the trilogy very well. I will die on this hill.

[@nannaogashawarmabrendan]

I'm sorry but they think that Shrek is a meme movie? They only meant Shrek THE THIRD, right? RIGHT?!?!

[@vivir339]

A meme movie doesn’t necessarily mean bad. Meme movies can also be masterpieces at the same time. Megamind, Shrek 1 & 2, Monsters Inc, Emperor’s New Groove... need I say more?!

[@Haterator]

Joel Haver as a guest? How small the KZbin world is.