Sardonicast 147: The Idol, Oldboy (2003)

[@bluechalk6275]

The Weeknd is both the star and the amount of time it took to write the show.

[@mellowtron214]

It’s his “BUTT BABY” lil Turd aka mr.Stunk aka flatu boi

[@etgohome1343]

That still feels like too much time to come up with this

[@Jotar0w0]

Even though I'm no better than a ralph, don't I deserve to live

[@debrachambers1304]

No.

[@HOTD108_]

Is that a question or a statement?

[@seanjenkins5505]

What is this some kind of Sardonicast?

[@chandlertucker7843]

@@seanjenkins5505wait he’s batman?

[@Jormbis]

2:03:07 We’re 147 episodes into this podcast and Adum still has yet to comprehend how British Alex is.

[@alansmithee4927]

Man I can’t wait until 15 years from now when Adum lets Ralph out of his closet (which is most certainly where Ralph is) and then Ralph becomes real life old boy

[@tofutoph]

Ralph: Fatha! (While unbuckling his belt)

[@debrachambers1304]

Damn! I knew he was in A closet, but I had no idea it was Alex's closet!

[@ADeadlierSnake]

Wait, which closet are we talking about here?

[@debrachambers1304]

@@ADeadlierSnake Does Alex have more than one closet?

[@JoeKing69]

@@RamonesFan201 agreed, definitely the weakest of the three.

[@deetvleet]

this was a fun episode boys. it felt like you two are really getting into a groove of your own, it didn't exactly feel like a traditional sardonicast pod, but it's grown and changed and the new thing it's got goin now is great too :) still will always miss our ralph

[@davidferreira7535]

Is Ralph not part of the podcast anymore? I thought he was just away for a few episodes :/

[@deetvleet]

@@davidferreira7535 he's on maternity leave

[@HungL0W]

Kinda like how Cumtown evolved into the Adam Friedland Show

[@Doc-Glock]

After The Idol had finished its run, HBO announced that as a result of The Idol even existing at all, The Weekend had officially been demoted to "The Weakened".

[@Dethmaster64]

I love how Park Chan-Wook felt worse for the octopus that for Choi Min-Sik when re-shooting the octopus eating scene several times for Oldboy

[@HOTD108_]

They reused the same octopus between takes? 💀

[@killaspongebob666]

He felt worse for the creature being eaten alive? Insane.

[@PauLtus_B]

@@killaspongebob666 I don't think there's much question for who that was worse...

[@MoKIGN]

Went to my local used book store and asked if they had a copy of Oldboy, the guy was like "Not the American version right? Thank god"

[@HOTD108_]

You get movies from the book store?

[@MoKIGN]

Its a used bookstore that also has movies, music and games@@HOTD108_

[@herbalcoast358]

Adam’s right about horror movie audiences being the worst. I was in a showing recently where some guy answered a phone call midway through the movie, thankfully it was the new insidious and not something actually good

[@TheFreepie]

That was literally an always sunny gag, they imagined what the worst most inconsiderate assholes would be like in the cinema and you experienced that in real life

[@garysnyder4537]

When I saw Talk to Me in theaters w friends, there was this row of people and their children watching that we talking and like taking pictures I guess because their phone flash kept going off we were originally seated in front of them before we went down to to the front half of the theater

[@herbalcoast358]

@@TheFreepie I also had a woman in front of me during Oppenheimer who took snaps every 2 minutes all the way through the movie

[@IAMA1]

​​@@garysnyder4537That just makes me glad I saw Talk to Me just recently. It was only me and my family and it was a blast being in the threatre with no one else to bother us

[@zeebooboo9663]

​@@herbalcoast358God that's awful.

[@just2good]

Really appreciate the multiple Haneke references in this episode

[@HOTD108_]

Hi Sarah 👋🏽

[@just2good]

👋

[@Michael-cv5wk]

During what topics do they talk about him? I skipped through it a little bit because I haven't seen The Idol or watched Oldboy in years

[@RickLilShore]

If I was a dentist I would always play Vivaldi's Winter right before starting the operation. Just to see how many patients have watched the movie.

[@nicholassrivas]

To be fair, The Weeknds early stuff was so groundbreaking for the 2010s of course he really jumped into pop but has great songs with daft punk, and his project dawn fm and after hours is amazing.

[@MimejrRuiz]

Oldboy would be a better movie if Neil Breen directed it

[@slimnave4846]

I can't believe you locked me for 15 years...I CANNOT believe you locked me up for 15 years....

[@debrachambers1304]

That's true of every non-Neil Breen movie.

[@bluechalk6275]

The Handmaiden but Neil Breen plays both women.

[@bananaempijama]

And Steven Seagull as Oh Dae Su 😅

[@eddiearmenta80]

Love this new format. So much better.

[@premium_chicken_nuggy]

This episode made my day. So glad you guys finally reviewed this one!

[@thefailedartist6344]

How adum relates to the score of old boy I agree with 100%. I think it’s the best film score for me personally. The big sleep, look who’s talking, frantic, room at the top, in a lonely place. The last waltz. Just perfection

[@Andy-pw8tm]

The handmaiden score (My Tamako, my sookee) is really good too

[@LukenatorFTW]

If @Andy-pw8tm hadn’t got in before me, I would’ve countered that The Handmaiden soundtrack is equally as amazing

[@PauLtus_B]

@@Andy-pw8tm I might argue that the Handmaiden is a better movie. But it's comparing masterpieces.

[@thefailedartist6344]

@@PauLtus_B yeah I was gonna mention it. Haha

[@marshallh7785]

I still love Oldboy so much, but I watched the Vengence trilogy earlier this year and actually found myself liking Sympathy for Mr. Vengence (2002) and Lady Vengence (2005) WAY more. Really hoping you guys could talk about the other films some day. (making this comment early in the section if they mention it)

[@Andy-pw8tm]

Have you seen The Handmaiden by the same director? It’s really good too

[@3babylon3]

sympathy for Mr vengeance is great

[@aperson7303]

Mr. Vengeance is a great movie, still not better than Oldboy, but Lady Vengeance is just nonsense.

[@bananaempijama]

Yes. Thanks for pointing out the other 2, especially Lady Vengeance. I know it's more artsy but has some impactful scenes and themes. Other God tier revenge movie is I Saw the Devil.

[@S1nwar]

i dont know what to think about Oldboy, there is no 2. act lowpoint to anchor it to a disney movie structure

[@johnclavis]

When Adam pronounced the protagonists name, it almost sounded like "Odysseus", suggesting a deliberate association on tbe part of the writers. Amazing!

[@Adjudicus]

1:10:00 sorry you FEEL SORRY FOR THE VILLAIN??? He got his sister pregnant. He imprisoned the guy for 15 YEARS! AND MENTALLY RUINED HIM AND MADE HIM DO SOMETHING UNFORGIVABLE

[@EpicGammingCrew]

Oldboy was the movie that made me decide to go into every movie after w as little info as possible. Cause it ended up being one of my favs and I realized any info ab it at all would’ve taken away from it in some way (to me at least)

[@niki_bbb]

Had a privilege of seeing the restored version of Oldboy in a movie theater. Definitely one of the best movies ever made.

[@lillyrichter3383]

I just finished this podcast episode, and came over to YT to comment this: you two work great as a duo. I wasn't sure how the podcast was going to be without Ralph. But it works well, you have a good energy together. I have to admit I only really noticed the absence of Ralph when it came to the ratings.

[@EzraWoodIsCool]

I disagree with Mark Kermode not being a possible guest because he looks down on KZbin critics. He created a separate podcast with KZbinr/filmmaker Jack Howard and they would argue their opinions on films every episode. (Kermode on Film) If you could swing it Mark would be a fantastic guest, it would make for a perfect episode to review the Exorcist as well

[@knocks42]

Guys, thank you for making me watch Oldboy. I don't think I've been more shocked by a movie before, Parasite is child's play compared to it. This is what movies and art in general should be like: telling a story, exploring a topic you don't normally think or talk about.

[@cheeez9438]

I want y’all to talk about the Master 🤓 This was a great episode

[@cheeez9438]

@josiahhaynes3194 Me too, me too… I love it too much

[@disgruntledcashier503]

Per a guy on Twitter who claimed to work on payroll for the show (who cut checks for people for how many episodes they acted in), it was rewritten as 5 episodes when Levinson took over

[@andrewmulhearn1234]

Love that Alex is doing his "eh" thing in Sardonicast now.

[@exoskeletons]

eh?

[@jakedyer8572]

I would recommend Carole and Tuesday instead of The Idol, it's so good.

[@kairos_fluent]

4:00 - The rent and housing issues in Vancouver also exist in other cities in the Anglosphere (Sydney, Auckland, etc.) and it's because of the tsunami of Asian (mostly) *immigration* to these cities.

[@reeyees50]

And your goverments fucking you over too, cant forget that part

[@Lord_Keyboard]

Another RTMM Podcast banger

[@thomasclowater9471]

Alex using the American accent was a blast from the past of watching the early days of the JARcast

[@johnwise9811]

Day 59 of asking for an episode on the Evil Dead trilogy

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

I had the entire theatre to myself when I watched the new The First Slam Dunk film. It was really great but also a little sad that animated films from Japan most likely won’t be played anytime soon near me because no one except me comes to watch.

[@shadowalberto2]

Velma never got renewed, it got a two seasons order from the get-go. NOW if it gets renewed for a third season, welp now we can all start writing our unaliving notes.

[@matija3216]

Im again thinking about how genius oldboy is these days and also last week i rewatched yms video about it, im so happy its included in this video..

[@DougieJonesFBI]

As a huge fan of the Weeknd especially Dawn FM, The Idol was completely embarrassing but hilarious

[@BareBandSubscription]

I’m a big fan of yours, Dougie Jones. You scored a jackpot for my grandma at the casino last year. Thanks!

[@FraterSbeve]

Great episode, boys!

[@libra_v3]

the answer to that last question reminds me of deadmau5 who may have (or have not) slapped his own ass to get the perfect percussion for a multitude of his tracks. I'm not joking, he has actually mentioned that multiple times

[@thebeingdestroyerofworlds8690]

The actor who plays Oh dae-sun also plays admiral Yi in Korea's top grossing movie of all time. I recomend it, it has very good battle scenes

[@Tapeshoes]

You should maybe name the movie when you recommend it

[@hexcodeff6624]

*North* Korea's top grossing movie?

[@Khenfu_Cake]

​@@TapeshoesIt's 'The Admiral: Roaring Currents'. Also the actor's name is Choi Min-Sik.

[@thebeingdestroyerofworlds8690]

@@Tapeshoes couldnt remember the name. It's the admiral: roaring cirrents

[@mischr13]

The weekend 100% thought women were gonna thirst for his character like he's a edward cullen type bad boy or something

[@JayKayEllEmm]

I’d have done 28 Days Later and Sunshine as a double feature, since they have the same writer, director, and lead.

[@Twiiqz01]

neeed a sunshine discussion

[@garysnyder4537]

I’ve had the theater to me and friends by ourselves multiple times the past couple years (5cream, Jackass Forever weirdly) but the only times I’ve had the theater completely to myself was for Zola and Triangle of Sadness

[@coleshilobrit]

A great birthday present for me today, a new Sardonicast episode

[@mothdustmusic]

Happy birthday!

[@Dethmaster64]

Happy Birthday

[@slimnave4846]

Wow...happy birtday

[@PauLtus_B]

1:55:50 People generally act super-concerned about animal rights until their own responsibility is brought up. Edit: I do have to say I think it's rather insignificant to think about whether the art is good, it doesn't really matter for the animals.

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

I'm watching The Idol before listening to the discussion. I just finished Episode 1 and kind of loved it? Great tone, excellent sound design, incredibly well shot, solid performances, wry sense of humor, scathing deconstruction of Hollywood culture. Like some alternate universe where Showgirls didn't actually suck. I gave it a 9/10 on IMDb. I'm thinking two things: 1. Does this thing go off the rails and fall apart after the series premiere? 2. Am I losing my mind and my standards? Also haven't seen Oldboy (2003), only the remake [which I hated], so looking forward to that after The Idol.

[@franklinlopez2652]

I kinda of enjoyed the first two episodes (to an extent) they felt somewhat focused and the production is amazing. However, yea… after that it’s just a big mess but I really want you to see for yourself it’s insane lmaoooo

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

I'll pop back here tomorrow and let you know! @@franklinlopez2652

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

Just finished it. I really enjoyed the first half of the show for all the reasons I listed above. As the plot twists unfolded, I found myself wondering what all the great cinematography, music, acting and direction were serving. Character arcs didn't add up at all, dialogue was wildly inconsistent, ranging from excellent to terrible in a single scene, and the pacing was all over the place. By the time the final episode ended, I wondered to myself, "what the hell is this show trying to say?" - That being said, Depp is a revelation here, Eli Roth was superb, Hank Azaria was great as usual, really the entire cast. Even The Weeknd played his Andrew Tate burnout role effectively. Too bad the show was so disjointed and unfocused. I will admit the sleaze could've been toned back by like 30%, but I didn't find the show exploitative or immoral or anything. I'd give it a 6/10 for sheer filmcraft alone. I'm glad I watched it and I loved a lot about it, but the narrative and some of the dialogue kept this from a real recommendation for me. It's much better than the critics are saying though. Looking forward to hearing the sards talk about it, a lot to chew on for sure.@@franklinlopez2652

[@Jormbis]

damn we aint getting a new episode for about a month 😩

[@madzmidz]

How did u comment 13 days ago?

[@krustin]

​@@madzmidzhe's a sardonicuck, one of the premium members. He pays 1000 dollars to Alex and Adum each month(used to be 2000 and a jenkem jar when Ralph was around) and they let him into the basement to watch the live filming. Note, this user has likely been forced to watch French films(yuck) and lost a body part or two for the privilege. All in all, not a bad deal, but pricy.

[@dilwitchspahlin4761]

@@madzmidzpatreon probably

[@curtisebear1568]

Ha! Adams gonna have a great time when he realises 28 Days Later is in default 720p because of the way it was shot and distributed.

[@es-uw8cm]

rumor has it the guys are thinking about replacing ralph with ryan seacrest but you don't have to take my word for it.

[@slimnave4846]

Are there any other episodes where every tv show/movie they discuss is unanimously either a 1/10 or a 10/10?

[@jackniccol]

The Idol is the most insane set of random ideas that aren’t fully developed that I would expect a writer to come up with on a weekend bender and then after they’re sobered up you would expect them to eventually flesh them out over the course of like a period of time but they just said “fuck it” and shot it and released it.

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

Haven't listened to the discussion, want to watch the show first. Just finished the first episode and loved it. Clearly you disliked the show (which is totally valid), but does it get a lot worse or is this just my cup of tea?

[@jackniccol]

You might like the rest of it, in my opinion it gets worse by not doing anything

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

Yeah, I'd hope there's more to it than the base premise of the pilot. It sets itself up for success imo, would be a shame if it just spins its wheels after all that world building.@@jackniccol

[@denizi6323]

​@@ChrisMeadows1992idk if you finished already, but for me I thought it had potential for the first two episodes but man does it take a nosedive after episode 3, and the finale is just horrendous on so many levels imo

[@ChrisMeadows1992]

@@denizi6323 Just wrapped it up. I agree that it drops all potential halfway, but there are still some excellent standalone scenes throughout. Can't believe how great Eli Roth was in this. Hank Azaria too. Lots of great performances throughout. Some solid cinematography, music, and direction as well. Almost all my gripes have to do with story.

[@tlegeorge]

Ayyyy my favourite movie nice

[@3lancerofficialmaybe871]

The convo Adum talks about between him and the media worker towards the end, reminds me of the convu secural talk/Kyle Kulinski mentions between him and David Rubin.

[@probableflaws3597]

So smooth with just the two of them, nothing against Ralph but threes a crowd in podcasting no matter who’s involved.

[@dorjsurenenhbold6400]

about to listen oldboy last waltz and you guys podcast just popped up nice

[@Yettum]

Is it possible that the ‘by the way I lied about getting beat to help my publicity’ bit was meant as some strange relation to amber heard? Especially considering who portrayed the character. Idk I think there’s something there.

[@davidferreira7535]

Alex saying "roar" with the american accent sounds forbidden

[@polygonvvitch]

I forgot one of the plot points in The Idol show is literally "I'm gonna pay you [The Weekend] 100 dollars to fuck off."

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

2boys1cast

[@tye9959]

The Crazy Goblins Redux from ManManBoyBoyMan and An Unkindness about to go so hard

[@lutello3012]

I think the only two other people in my Oppenheimer showing left not long after the bomb scene.

[@AimForMyHead81]

2:15:32 Does anyone know who he's referring to here?

[@thomasb7347]

To me, oldbiy was always about the futility of revenge. The person who git his revenge lost his reason to live and the one who didnt found a reason to live despite the pain and turmoil

[@ewouddriehuizen3682]

Lily Rose Depp is actually amazing in Robert Eggers's Nosferatau

[@Firewater6363]

Is Ralph okay

[@TimPortantno]

They should have given The Weekend a show about his cult, and Amy Steimets and Lily Rise Depp this show, and they can cross-over with Euphoria later. That way, they could bury this one flop and without shelving a better version for nothing.

[@magicalnoname]

Idk how to recommend a film for the podcast but adum pleeease get tyem to watch the Handmaiden 😢

[@DanielDyer04]

did the people asking “wheres ralph?” not get the memo?

[@gab_gallard]

@@4tado He quit Sardonicast. Not because there's any bad blood of anything like that. He said he just has too much on his plate at the moment. He'll be coming back as a guest from time to time.

[@robertdegiorno8690]

More like oh-dat-sus

[@Andy-pw8tm]

Do the handmaiden

[@kreuz7sieben]

Do her!

[@mileidyclass]

I wanna know what Adam's take is on the beef (no pun intended) that happened between Vegan Gains and penguinz0 (or Charlie) a few years ago, where Vegan Gains claimed Charlie was a hypocrite for calling out ssoyoung, a mukbang KZbinr who became infamous for torturing and eating sea animals alive, because he (Charlie) eats meat and made a video where he made sausages. Vegan Gains himself is a pretty messed up guy and infamous online, since years ago (back in like 2015) he filmed his grandfather having a stroke because he was a meat eater and he wanted to show what happens if you eat meat, despite filming his grandpa dying.

[@alyssacandle5106]

The basement needs to be cleaned out.

[@cigs4dogs]

hope u guys are able to watch some wong karwai movies at some point!! fallen angels and chunking express are my fav movies of all time so id love to hear your thoughts ^_^ (my bad if youve already watched them, im just basing off letterboxed where it says adam still hasnt seen them)

[@KlueLuke]

Please actually do that man man boy boy man and anUnkindness collab

[@Wraiven22]

Wow hearing so much insight into Canada and why y’all have so many really terrible corporate artists coming out of it was fascinating. It’s crazy that y’all are so close to us and yet I know far more about Europe.

[@DavidKirkwood]

So I haven’t listened in a LONG time, is Ralph no longer part of the show?

[@RickyWL]

He left about 3 episodes ago unfortunately, I think he wants to focus on his own filmmaking career.

[@allywon]

so we’re not gonna talk about roar/ra

[@javierl4320]

I love adam

[@PlasmidJunkie]

Turns out The Weeknd wasn't *Abel* to make a compelling drama

[@lncasterw1ls0n68]

Is it just me or is there an ad every 10 minutes? Definitely don't have a problem with midrolls but Jesus

[@cinemacola6398]

Ralph is not a guest on the podcast anymore.

[@SonOfAGunYYH]

ralph? who is this ralph? we do not talk of such things anymore, friend. he never existed, and never will again (please come back ralph)

[@anony-mousse8487]

i miss Ralph

[@Poetboyy]

I thought the same thing about Roar/Raw

[@PauLtus_B]

1:50:26 *a reinterpretation.

[@piggy201]

No Ralph? No mention of Ralph?

[@gab_gallard]

Ralph quit. He announced it two of three episodes ago. He is busy with his own projects.

[@SonOfAGunYYH]

I know he's not doing the podcast anymore/right now, but i really want to hear Ralph's opinion on Oldboy.

[@gchudasamadarshit9111]

5 stars on letterboxd

[@kubahavelka9556]

"It's a classic!"

[@kairos_fluent]

@@kubahavelka9556 "I really liked it/it's really good"

[@o6eron]

2:15:31 who???

[@NoConsistency]

man, I love that my fan art got featured, but now I am banned on reddit and can't even receive credit.

[@bonsaunders949]

Is it because the occy was alive?

[@spacehound4528]

How to Basic works at a grocery store and uses the expired product DISCLAIMER: I can’t remember where I heard this, take it with a grain of salt

[@djorebro]

Not a movie to watch with your parents. I speak from experience.

[@iciajay6891]

I rambert hearing the trailer for Old Boy (the Korean one) and figured out the twist on instinct. XD I can never watch stuff and not. My particular autism power .

[@HOTD108_]

Huh?

[@kreuz7sieben]

Timestamps, mama? 😢

[@Pagan_Fears]

Can you guys talk about Leaving Las Vegas with Nic Cage and Liz Shue? One of his best performances and one of the best movies of the 90s. Top tier Cage.

[@GOLDFISH817]

I can replace Ralph if u need a guy who knows about movies and stuff let me know

[@belloutdoors5217]

Octopi are very intelligent animals...some say the most. That's why.

[@JacobCorenthose]

Sam Levinson is HBO's Ryan Muphy. Not a compliment.

[@seancorrigan7448]

I'm personally a huge fan of Drake and The Weeknd but understand if others aren't. Canadian music has took over and changed the modern world, whether people love it or not, it's quite the accomplishment.

[@GOODBOYMODZZ]

1:15:00

[@pootlovato837]

The LADS