Satellite Pirate 2001 - Tech TV Cybercrime Investigates - History of Hacking

Found a VHS tape with a classic episode of Tech TV's Cybercrime from 2001. The DirecTV Pirate epidemic is investigated, also covered is Cable TV Piracy. Interesting to watch especially when the dude running DirecTV's signal integrity unit speaks about how they failed to rescue the system with the HU card update, the HU was quickly hacked too! Be sure to also check out my other videos on Satellite Hacking.
Part #1: • Satellite Card Hacking...
Part #2: • DirecTV Black Sunday E...
Part #3: • FTA - Dish Network- Be...
Part #5: • nFusion IKS Private Se...
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[@DuncSargent]

Thanks to whoever said, "If purchasing isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft."

[@codasoda]

​@@Stjornaccess and ownership are 2 very different things tho that's what they need to understand

[@deshazo_henry]

​@@Stjornhis comment is clearly over your head, maybe don't chime in unless you understand the full context.

[@nikomo]

That would be Cory Doctorow that said it, I believe.

[@FunningRast]

@@StjornYeah sure, hidden deep in the T&Cs. Never when making the purchase or after when it just shows up as “owned” or “you already own this content” etc.

[@troywhite6039]

@@Stjorn Legal means there is a contract. We signed no contract agreement so their rules do not apply to we who did not sign.

[@RafaelOliveira-te6lm]

I'm not stealing TV. It's their signal that's invading my property, I'm simply watching it

[@i_used_adblock_to_watch_this]

I remember that being most people's defense when it was so possible to do this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can no longer still TV right?

[@RafaelOliveira-te6lm]

@@i_used_adblock_to_watch_this I dunno, I'm not american

[@maillway]

🤣True true

[@appliedengineering4001]

It's not the receiving of the signal that's illegal, it's the decrypting of it that's illegal, or better yet, How you obtained the decryption key's needed to decrypt the signal in the first place. And more then likely, the source of those keys did not come from the signal itself.

[@josephlynch3746]

😂...it all started with that damn buzzing noise in brain 🧠 😒 ~*

[@wogfun]

The most stealth cable piracy device I ever saw was in 2004. A friend brought over a little black box and hooked it up in line to the coax on my existing cable box. Turned in on for a few minutes, and then REMOVED IT. From that point on my regular cable box was authorized to unlock every pay channel and no physical modification was done to the box whatsoever. He could use his device to "charge" as many cable boxes as he wanted. The "charge" usually lasted at least a few months, and then he'd come back over and do it again.

[@jfbeam]

Sounds like an analog cable system. Digital cable doesn't work anything like that. (if the network doesn't send your box a periodic key, it can't decode anything. And those keys rotate rather quickly - so one hacked, authorized box can't fed them to others... which is one of the ways DTV was hacked.)

[@wogfun]

@@jfbeam Yes it was the last analog box I'd ever have. About a year later I moved and got a digital system.

[@derrekvanee4567]

Hah man, just tell you didnt "black box" sattelite in the way 00s that just had to *be recharged every few months* A few years prior you could indeed get sattelite with a large dish and steering controller. Cable and sattelite by the 2000s you had to find an adapter that you plugged the smart card into and flashed for your provider. Usually we had to pop em open and find the TX/RX serial pads and solder to said devices. When analog low Frenchy and laughable SoCs had PINS... Those were tbe cool days.

[@wogfun]

@@derrekvanee4567 No I had heard of systems like that but never had one. From about 2001 to 2003 I had a little blue card programmer for DirectTV but keeping the cards alive was almost more of a hassle than just paying for the content. There were weeks I'd have to reprogram the cards multiple times, and then there was the complication of the cards getting looped, and it just became more work than it was worth.

[@renderlessgames]

I got free tv permanently back in the 2000s as a kid this way. Idk why you had to "recharge it"

[@CentiZen]

These were the days. Being able to receive the raw feeds from onsite film crews was something else. Watching when they thought nobody was watching. I miss it.

[@SatJunk]

It's still possible if you know where to look :)

[@joshroolf1966]

Wow, I never considered that one before, I bet it had its moments?!😂💚🐾

[@GazpaNova]

Alone at night... I feel so strange... I need to find...

[@danielktdoranie]

“You wouldn’t download a car would you?” Yes. Yes I would. 😂

[@Super--Paper--Fox]

me too

[@Maw976]

This episode was pirated off directv in Canada.

[@peterfairlie2296]

You got that right !

[@Genos2600]

Lol

[@nekomasteryoutube3232]

Growing up here in canada, i knew several people that had Hacked American Satellite TV stuff because they could get channels you couldn't get on Rogers Digital or Bell Express Vu

[@RealButFake]

They talk about "Lost Money", but what they failed to realize is majority of the people that bought those cards were not going to buy the service in a legit way. So their not losing a customer or any potential revenue.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Exactly. You see the same thing with streaming. I'm not going to sign up for one more streaming service to watch a show.

[@jfbeam]

Everyone likes to say that. But if you watch it without paying for it, that's lost income. That's money they did not collect from a viewer. It does not matter that you were never going to pay for it anyway.

[@elisa_5445]

@@jfbeamHow is that a lost income if the person were not going to pay anyway, there's no way of losing something you wouldn't get

[@Capturing-Memories]

@@jfbeam It does matter, and they like to call it loss so they write it off in the tax filing, But to be fair, not all pirates are not potential customers, some may have to purchase the service if there were no way to receive it.

[@dariel203]

@@elisa_5445it’s lost income because if someone wants to watch something that’s locked behind a paywall they are forced to pay but with the free alternative why even pay at all if I know I can get it for free it’s the same situation with movie site people can still pay to watch a movie but why pay when you can watch it on a website for free…

[@NeverGiveUpYo]

That was a golden era. Thanks for posting this.

[@peterfairlie2296]

My pleasure!

[@troywhite6039]

@peterfairlie2296 Will you share some info on the encoder you used to convert the vhs signal?

[@renegonzalez6755]

Tech TV is very nostalgic. I remember The Screensavers show with Patrick Norton and Leo Laporte. Fresh Gear was cool too. Thank you for sharing this.

[@peterfairlie2296]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@DrexProjects]

Martin "what's his name" was kinda funny. Sargent , that's it.

[@common_c3nts]

I knew several people with this setup around 2000-2003. Got every channel on dtv. They had a card reader that plugged in between the receiver to prevent their card from being nuked. Everyone I know had cabletv descramblers in the 90s and 00s until digital cable took over. It is how I watched Stargate sg-1 as a kid. It is sad the government acted as private security for cable an sat companies.

[@Browningate]

And now, government wastes time entrapping people into governor kidnapping plots and other assorted nonsense.

[@MK-jo1gi]

I love decoding a signal that is send your way is somehow illegal.

[@vgamonitor]

still a signal of a paid service though

[@drtibbs693]

@@vgamonitorwhat you are paying for is the decryption keys and the hardware to use the service. In most countries around the world, broadcasters accept responsibility for the fact that transmitting freely-available signals incurs a risk; they can choose to mitigate this via the use of DRM, however circumventing it isn’t illegal. It’s in-fact completely legal to do what you wish with freely-transmitted signals.

[@appliedengineering4001]

One of the biggest motivators for Cable TV piracy that doesn't get much attention, was the fact that the networks that were on basic cable had advertising on them. I my self have never had a problem with the idea of pay TV it's self. But expecting people to pay for a TV service that has advertising in it. HELL NO. You want me to pay for it, Then lose the ad's.

[@renderlessgames]

Good point. I still remember those 2000s commercials from when AI was a kid

[@LeeZhiWei8219]

More on satellite piracy! I love this dude! Awesome job again Peter!

[@regulariousweedimaximus9495]

I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s ( born in 89 ) and vividly remember this stuff , my dad had a connection to a guy who would give him the hacked cards and I remember having access to all the paid access , ppv , porn , sports it was all just enabled lol. What a time to be alive - I now do " cybersecurity "

[@Hippie459MN]

The great days of satellite "testing". We were always a step ahead of them. They never fried hardware. It was always easily fixable. The old DTV H and HU cards. Dishnetwork was where it was at though if you were more of a hands on nerd. Battery cards, AVR cards, N1, N2 cards, emulation, etc... What a glorious time. Its all a thing of the past now though. Thanks for this bit of nostalgia!

[@fauxque5057]

Wanna buy a Litronic 210 card reader writer? Boot board? Unlooper? How about some Oatmeal chips? Blank boards? I have boxes of stuff still laying around.

[@Hippie459MN]

@@fauxque5057 That's stiff is pretty much obsolete now days. Not worth noting.

[@NextNate03]

A person could argue that they are double dipping. They are charging a service that is already bought and paid for by the advertisers who are running ads on the service.

[@patodeweloperka]

It happened in other countries too during that time. In Europe HBO and Canal+ over cable was pirated so much that TV had to change technology often.

[@phopetindall]

thanks for posting this Peter; I think I remember watching this back in the day when we had cable!

[@viciousslayer]

you gotta love the "revenue lost" when it assumes that people who pirate would 100% pay monthly fees if pirating wasnt possible the good ol "we own your money, you just dont know it"

[@kakd1870]

it actually does have an effect tho not as bad as they would have you believe. The data comes in after every ECM in the form of new subs.

[@StaYUTI420]

@@kakd1870 It really doesn't tho, every time I've lost access its always been easier to wait for the next one, rather than throw money at the problem.

[@FixTechStuff]

True. I cloned a friends gold card and connected it to a DVB card on my computer for recording, a lot of fun was had learning how to do it, but I wouldn't pay 1 cent for the garbage they broadcast.

[@TsohAshkii]

Damn the quality on that old VHS is good!

[@peterfairlie2296]

That's because I always bought high quality tape and recoded on the top speed ST which gave 2 hours per tape. Most people bought cheap tapes and used EP which ran the tape at 1/3 the speed and gave you 6 hours of poor quality recording.

[@paleskinnybones]

@@peterfairlie2296Could you possibly also upload this documentary in 60FPS? That’s how VHS really was you know

[@JBBost]

The tracking on the VCR is garbage tho, unless sunspots were bad that day or something

[@troywhite6039]

@peterfairlie2296 Will you share some info on the encoder you used to convert the vhs signal?

[@7th_Heaven]

look at the NASA apollo photos and film. what was it like 72mm? there are folks nowadays who are like my 4K is better when in reality the old film had higher quality than many digital sensors now. when working with nuclear stuff many if not all digital devices die, so analog is still valid. be like "I'd like a rad hardened 4K gopro please?" slim chances of that existing. lol

[@johng.1703]

what I find strange is the misuse of the word steaking, stealing is defined as "the action or offence of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it" now the thing with "stealing it in Canada" is a bit of a misnomer, you see what they mean by "stealing" is not paying the license fee, but there isn't a license fee to pay in Canada as it isn't licensed to broadcast there so there isn't a license fee to steal.

[@JimiJamma]

Growing up in the 80s and 90s, my family had a cable descrambler. The people who lived in our house before us had the cable connected for free. Therefore, my parents paid nothing for cable and never got caught!

[@thatguyontheright1]

Gotta love how they say that paying subscribers are paying for the pirates too, good way to get people on your side.

[@renakunisaki]

So, the pirates are paid for after all! So no money is lost.

[@THEtechknight]

I had a corrupt digital version of this one that Ive hung onto for at least 21 to 22 years. I am glad a good copy was finally found!

[@poisonshroom64]

imagine a band suing you because you could hear them playing a concert from your house

[@lmoore3rd]

2:05 "If you walk into an electronics store and walk out with a television without paying for it, that's stealing." I miss the 90's. 😆

[@troywhite6039]

Today jt's called Black lives Matter

[@RafaelOliveira-te6lm]

You wouldn't download a car

[@NextNate03]

​@@troywhite6039Alex Jones, I thought you were banned from KZbin. Good thing you owe about 1 billion dollars to the Sandyhook victims.

[@SuperNoticer]

Cuck

[@Ozma2]

@@troywhite6039What do you mean by this?

[@mikedmann7487]

I miss tech tv! Thanks Fer sharing.

[@peterfairlie2296]

You and me both!

[@EvaFull]

The irony of watching a VHS Recording ripped to KZbin is just amazing considering the subject being discussed. ❤❤❤❤ 😂😂😂😂

[@ericwilson9457]

That lost revenue number doesn't make any sense. That's assuming that everybody pirating would be a potential customer.

[@eddiee99]

I remember when I had frontier TV here in CT after att sold to frontier. The ppv channel was working for free for like 4 years.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I'm not surprised, as back in the early 90's my area had a small cable company called Palmetto Cable, and for like 4 months one summer all the PPV channels, including the adult ones where turned on before anyone at the company noticed it, so my friends who did not have cable where over at my house anytime they could when my parents where at work with their mouths hung open lol!

[@pttn975]

I remember a friends uncle had a descrambler cable box back in the 90's. It was mind blowing stuff to me back then.

[@peterfairlie2296]

I use to modify the Zenith SSAVI ST1000 cable boxes. The boxes used 8 bit addresses for remote addressing. You could capture a valid ID from the data stream into a shift register and then use that ID as your own in place of the static ID in the PROM. The box would stay on all of the time and decode everything.

[@jacuzzibusguy]

This is a great throwback! Thanks for uploading this.

[@peterfairlie2296]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@leosedf]

I still have my card readers, gold cards etc.

[@coondogtheman]

Well that was an interesting watch. I LOVED that channel. I have some videos of one of their shows the screen savers.

[@SybilKibble]

Thank you, I love TechTV, and have uploaded some of their shows also.

[@kakd1870]

The price is going to increase weather or not you pirate the signal and often at the same rate. There are reasons tho even with all the warnings and threats, the consumers have little sympathy when they find a loophole to save money.

[@kakd1870]

As for the 'lost revenue,' it actually does have an effect tho not as bad as they would have you believe. The data comes in after every ECM in the form of new subs.

[@MillAppartments-kb5vd]

Nice easy to understand report from Jennifer - What's she doing these days ? Did the $105/month back in 2000 get you totally ad free programming ?

[@peterfairlie2296]

Jenifer London, She lives in Mexico now ! www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-london-londonography/

[@LatitudeSky]

The male host Alex went to work for CNN for a while, along with some other ex-TechTV News people.

[@davetindell4110]

I had so many of these cards. The Direct TV football card was the best!

[@ChesterPaulSgroi]

I actually remember during my youth in the late 80's-90's the option to buy these small satellite dishes at swap meets which would allow one to get HBO for free. I also recall HBO having some kind of initiative where one could turn in your mini satellite dish in some kind of amnesty. Just wish I could remember more about this as I was a kid at the time.

[@aquamarine2044]

Actually I still have my old Dish Network Receiver and cards. But I no longer have the dish. Great video! Thanks for sharing!

[@peterfairlie2296]

Thanks for watching!

[@sawyermiller7045]

You should plug it into a dish at someones house who has Dish and see if it will still work.

[@biggysground]

Now that piracy is very low the companies are charging upwards of 400+ a month for sports and box office channels. So if your not stealing from them they are stealing from you! LOL.

[@robsyoutube]

That argument of it costing the company's money was kind of crazy. They did lose money but they lost it fighting it. Not to mention how bell got rid of the ability for you to pick your own channel groups right after they killed the pirates. Driving costs way up for consumers.

[@phat-kid]

how much money did they spend lobbying and getting the fbi to work for them? the federal government works for corporations, not the regular tax paying voter

[@JPVolvo]

Imagine paying for TV and then having to sit through 10-15 minutes of ads an hour

[@StuartTaylorEsquire]

That's a very nice encoding of a VHS video.

[@Zach-qs2bw]

thanks for the upload what an interesting little nugget of history :)

[@SocialistDog]

Btw thanks 4 uploading this... at least it's arrived now

[@FixTechStuff]

The crime of stealing 1's and 0's that get delivered to your satellite dish (or cable connection) whether you like it or not.

[@sheldonpetrie3706]

I live in Southwestern Ontario, but growing up never heard of stealing satellite tv. That all changed in 2005 when I had a co-op work term in Windsor for University and everyone there did it. I found it fascinating.

[@robertpreece7259]

23 years later, it's still happening but now with firesticks

[@HPad2]

Seeing the other half about cable theft. We still have that here in 2024 😂 We still have about 40 channels of analog with a mix of around 20 QAM channels in the open. About 2 years ago someone just down the road from me was caught, only caught because they where causing noise in the upstream from there twist on connectors lol.

[@firewalker1372]

Man, I remember techTV. Use to watch the hell out of it. I also remember black boxes and bootleg cards. My neighbor had this elaborate set up where his satellite box was hooked to a computer tower next to his tv. That way if they zap the card it could immediately be reprogrammed. And this guy was not a computer geek, hell he about couldn’t use word 😂.

[@noway9880]

yes. we need to stop tv before it's too late. SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT CABLE DOWN IN 2025!

[@jerrysjunk]

the good old days

[@1marcelfilms]

These days it is not worth it to pirate live TV

[@Wasmachineman]

shit kerel ik zie jou ook echt overal :P

[@1marcelfilms]

ja ik ben overal en nergens tegelihjke @@Wasmachineman

[@SimX9000]

Great quality considering how old that VHS was. Who remembers watching this on there authorized subscription back in the day? 😂📺📼

[@ProfessorBidoof]

*pulls out an F card*

[@ProfessorBidoof]

have tons of old and modern dtv/dishnet cards, its a 1980 technology (iso7816), and they arent worth much today but worth more to me as sentimental value today. There was a day when H cards and/or HU cards (different times) were selling for over 400 bucks a piece. at one point walmart sold directv kits with hu cards that were cheap and easily hackable

[@r66fplaysgames]

I, & some other family members, went to Blaine, WA, back in 2004, & walked through the Peace Arch.

[@revision386]

I miss TechTV. Anyone remember "The Screen Savers"?

[@peterfairlie2296]

Yeah, Leo and the other dude!

[@smokedsmoked]

Hell ya .

[@tkteun]

To think all of that would've been prevented if they had just sold satellite tv to Canada

[@vgamonitor]

But Canada is not DirecTV's target contury so I'd say it's kinda understandable why they didn't do it

[@jfbeam]

Wasn't really up to them. They didn't have a license to operate in Canada. And none of the channels they broadcast were licensed for broadcast into Canada.

[@troywhite6039]

So it's ok for them to illegally broadcast without a licence into Canada and not pay for it?

[@vgamonitor]

@@troywhite6039 but the hackers got directv working with a special unauthorized method, so technically directv isn't in the wrong here

[@hughjassstudios9688]

3:11 donor boards for a repair shop would've been a far better excuse

[@PSYK0MANT1S]

The real OGs remember the "Football cards" Easy to reprogram, took Direct TV over 2 years to sort out. Pirating Direct TV was an art. You had to dodge their code calls all the time that could potentially brick your card or worse your receiver.

[@Sundance_the_Rapper]

you can do this with any IP gateway, though I'd imagine the redundancy requires it to connect through to either the same junction box, or same data center first

[@renakunisaki]

It's wild how people were able to steal the signal like that. You'd think merely decrypting it without authorization wouldn't take it away from its owner. But if it's theft, it must be getting taken, not merely decoded or copied... I wonder how that works?

[@Busvre]

They wrote alleged pirate tv losses off on their taxes, they and Dish Network had no feedback as to who was decrypting signals in the first place. Oh the days of the Hu Card! 😂

[@SuperAgentman007]

And another thing you might not know Canada, as well as Mexico did not have a license for DIRECTV at the time they were actually getting programming for free because of what you would call the splash over which means the satellite signal would splash over into Canadian province, and then into the Mexican province which gave them access

[@DaHazelDurg]

16:00 The franchise fee's part, do cable companies actually give money to local communities? I highly doubt any corpo would share their revenue like that.

[@chrisw443]

Now we use a website and avoid subscription fees for streaming. how things change yet stay the same.

[@guidancefromjah]

DirectTV 595 to 600 with the pirated access card... I was only 8 years old =]

[@GeoNeilUK]

My Freesat box has something resembling a CableCard slot, but I've never seen a card for it. I do know that Sky analogue had hacked cards that Sky would send a kill signal to several times a day (and that was over satellite) My EETV box which uses a combination of digital terrestrial (Freeview) and IPTV, doesn't use a card, it's controlled entirely by my ISP, who also happens to be BT/EE!

[@HowDoesThisThingWorkII]

I miss Tech TV

[@Davestar2112]

I wish i wasn't like 7 at the time things like this were happening, would have totally gotten in this.

[@smokedsmoked]

Oh wow those were days tech tv was so good back in the day .they keep me watching what was newest tech back in the day .i tember this pretty well .

[@pokerdealer2003]

I miss the days of setting up dishes and finding the signal, I remember here in the PNW we could aim at the Canadian dishes as well as the ones over America.

[@troywhite6039]

@peterfairlie2296 Will you share some info on the encoder you used to convert the vhs signal?

[@Ampz55]

I love this. Absolutely would have used it if i wasn't a child back then. Who actually cares if directv loses money?

[@hal263]

Curious to see more about the PC you use to convert analog video to digital; Specs, what OS/software you run etc...

[@simonstergaard]

wow, that was expensive back then.

[@pctellez1206]

I do remember tech tv, good times.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

It's funny how one of their reasons is the fee which goes towards local business and services... completely ignoring the fact that taxes are a thing

[@Kevin_KC0SHO]

I remember those days, when all the sudden our bill went up to subsidize the pirating. After DTV disabled all the cards on Black Sunday, the very next month, our bill went down. 😊 BTW, why did the US Treasury get the money after the sting? I would assume the money would have went to DTV to help offset their losses🤔

[@gman83090]

That is so ironic because Foxtel still uses the NDS encryption card

[@Michael_Livingstone]

Ironically enough, if Canadians had the option to pay for Direct TV, a sizeable amount would happily pay.

[@anonymousanonymous-ok3nn]

Oh NDS. Towards the end of 2000s we just download a DLL plugin and load it with DVB Dream and all the encrypted channels were just as clear as clear stream channels.

[@nstern2]

I wonder how many people bought hacked cards/descramblers after watching this. Had I been a bit older I would have absolutely bought a descrambler.

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

Homer: So you're stealing cable...

[@forevers1238]

That's some good gravy.

[@Tawnos_]

The HU cards took a while to become publicly available, DirectTV had about six months between the end of the H card and the HU card being completely broken. Either way, you needed new equipment (unlooper) and programs took a while to trickle out from the scene to the IRC channels. Most people stayed on the H card until they were canceled in 2002, at which point the tools for HU were widely available. Fortunately, I wasn't having to modify the cards for my mom's husband by that point.

[@fauxque5057]

Not entirely true. The HU was hacked before Black Sunday. Once they killed the boot sector on the H card we were quickly able to mass produce the boot boards to get the H card back up and running. Also emulators became big business using the H card in the emulator. Eventually they shut down the stream leaving only the HU cards up and running.

[@Tawnos_]

@@fauxque5057 Yeah, they were hacked before, but my searches back then turned up commercial options, only. It took a while for those HU hacks to be widespread such that you could just DCC it from public IRC channels. Never had an emulator, but I remember them being discussed as the potential next step for ECM handling.

[@loremipsum685]

great find!

[@Nissan350z33]

Back in the day, what was wrong with putting an antenna on your TV and watching free to air?? Anyhow I use Kodi these days.. Good video thank you.

[@pintaco4299]

We had these cards in every box in the house.

[@jakespeckman1]

Man I miss techtv, we had a hacked card back in the day. Themis the days

[@osseo9947]

Satellite tv providers are in on it! The cards had to come from somewhere, and the number was far more than in this episode. Pirate satellite tv wouldn't have been a big deal if the monthly subscription wasn't so extremely high. $140 a month to watch advertising?

[@MikeDest]

Good times. I recently found some of my old H cards.

[@ecwnikos]

thats cool thanks for shareing this info.

[@Philintx]

This reminds me of that show; Beyond 2000

[@JustAverageJeff]

I forgot about techtv is that who rebranded into G4?

[@ENunn]

they merged with g4 to form g4techtv, then they dropped the techtv name a few months later. so yeah, pretty much

[@Genos2600]

Had a buddy who had an HU loader. He wouldn't buy cards he would just recode your existing card of you receiver. I would pay for the bare minimum for dtv service it was rare that my card would get zapped since i was a paying customer

[@SuperAgentman007]

Did you know in Canada? They were selling those hacked access cards and that the FBI actually had a website to catch people in the United States who were purchasing those hacked cards.

[@csparty11]

And this is exactly why i hate the media, even then they only showed one side of the story. They never tell you how the entertainment industry is f*cking with their customers. Why the hell did they think cord-cutting started? And even where i live, people are not willing to pay anymore for content and the crap they keep pulling on us. Alot of folks have started downloading from usenet since begin 2000s, i know i never stopped. But some others did when netflix started in 2013 over here but now with all the new streaming services and price hikes many started to download again. Or they are switching to illegal CS/IPTV subs which is very much thriving might i add. It seems like the entertainment industry will never learn, people are willing to pay if they get treated nicely and not used as milking cows.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Yeah I actually started laughing when the guy said "pirates drive up the price for everyone else, because we have to charge higher fees to cover our costs". Uh no... They would absolutely keep the price the same and just make more profits.

[@imyourinnerfear]

HOOOOOOOOLY SMOKES. .. I can't believe me eyes .. I'm 17 again getting paid 22 dollars a sat card. Peter this is freakin awesome!

[@QEDAGI]

Cloned cards for DirectTV and programmed FTA receivers for Dish... Those were the days!